As soon as today, the White House will announce that millions more underwater homeowners can take advantage of a refinancing program if their loan is owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. This is a plan that had been expected for a couple months when the President announced it as part of his American Jobs Act speech, but this is the first time we get the details. Basically, they’ve opened up the Home Affordable Refinancing Program to everyone who’s current on their loan, regardless of how far underwater they are.
The overhaul will, among other things, let borrowers refinance regardless of how far their homes have fallen in value, eliminating previous limits. That could open up refinancing to legions of borrowers in Nevada, Arizona, Florida, California and elsewhere who are paying high interest rates and are deeply “underwater,” owing more than their houses are worth. President Barack Obama is expected to tout the program in Las Vegas on Monday.
The plan will streamline the refinance process by eliminating appraisals and extensive underwriting requirements for most borrowers, as long as homeowners are current on their mortgage payments, according to administration officials and an official at the Federal Housing Finance Agency. Fannie and Freddie have also agreed to waive some fees that made refinancing less attractive for some.
The revamp is aimed at homeowners like Christine and Hector Penunuri of Gilbert, Ariz., who have never missed a mortgage payment and who both have jobs and good credit. Yet their application to refinance their five-bedroom home, which has fallen in value, was denied earlier this year because their tax returns showed a $1,000 loss in start-up costs from Mr. Penunuri’s business, which isn’t even his day job.
It’s “absurd,” says their mortgage broker, Steve Walsh of Scottsdale, because the loan is already guaranteed by government-backed mortgage company Freddie Mac.
I don’t know that there are that many people like the Penunuris, but this does significantly expand eligibility for the program.
People should watch what they say when they call this a housing program, however. Payment reductions on the interest rate have proven unsuccessful in keeping that many people in their home. This is a stimulus program, because it saves borrowers a certain amount a month to refi, money that can be used in the economy.
It also removes a kind of subsidy from the banks. In a normal circumstance without a housing bubble, many more borrowers who are now underwater would have taken advantage of lower mortgage rates and refinanced. That they haven’t done so protects the banks and allows them to make more money on performing loans. So a stimulus program paid entirely by the banks (as well as investors in mortgage-backed securities)? What’s not to like? And it has the potential to be significant, because Fannie and Freddie own around half of all mortgages.
Of course, there should be skepticism about any housing program managed by this Administration. HARP in its initial form well undershot its target of 4 million refis, just as HAMP was a miserable failure. The estimates for this program are more in line with reality, with FHFA saying that between 800,000-1 million borrowers would be able to get a refi now. But this Administration has had no success with housing, as this long Zach Goldfarb article details. And some of that is by design – in the name of protecting bank profits or making sure the “right” people got help (Tim Geithner has a lot more concern about moral hazard for homeowners than he does for banks), the plans to mitigate the foreclosure crisis have either shrunk into nothing or been weaponized by banks into something harmful to borrowers.
This is a different time, however, as we’re nearing election season. And there’s more of an acknowledgement that debt overhang is a primary cause of the economic torpor in the country. In addition to announcing this refi scheme for underwater borrowers with Fannie and Freddie-backed loans, there’s also a planned announcement on student loans, another source of heavy debt. That initiative is coming Wednesday, though there are no details.
All of this is separate from the state AG settlement with the banks over foreclosure fraud, though the same mechanism, refinancing for underwater borrowers, is used in that proposed settlement as a carrot for AGs in underwater states like California’s Kamala Harris. This is absurd, because a state like California, where Countrywide was a major lender, has almost no bank-owned loans, and only bank-owned loans would be eligible under the settlement offer. This is spin to try and get Harris back on the settlement, and not even particularly good spin.
A real plan for housing would begin and end with principal reductions. But as a stimulus measure that puts the cost on those who can afford it, this is fine.




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It is still not nearly enough. Homeowners need a bailout like the ones they’ve given the banks and corporations. All of this piddly bandaiding is just not enough to handle what is a terrible national crisis. The banks need to be forced to write down the principal for everyone, by nationalizing them, breaking them up and having the government enforce the rules. Not going to happen though because they own our government. Obama, desperate to get elected, finally does something but as usual it’s just for show and not nearly enough. He’s like a used car salesman, always thinking how little can I do to fool them into voting for me? This crisis has been going on for many years now, and he’s done absolutely nothing. This may turn out to be nothing too. As the banks ignore it or find ways around it. LIke they are now with his original program, turning it into a farce and a way to cheat people out of their homes instead of saving their homes. Just happened to a good friend, total fraud, should be prosecuted as a crime but of course won’t.
Even if this proves to be some wonder-drug for the housing market and underwater homeowners going forward, I’m still pissed. What about all the people who have lost their homes in the last 30 months? Does this restore their credit? Does this give them their home back? Replace all the money lost?
For most of us a house is the biggest purchase we’ll ever make. Obama’s inaction has destroyed that purchase for many, many millions of Americans.
Run in circles,
scream and shout.
Piss on the fire
and hope it goes out.
Boxturtle (Short version of ObamaLLP’s Grand Plan to Fix Everything)
What about all the illegal behavior…literally millions of people lost their homes to fraud. Fraud in the foreclosures, forced fraud, being shunted into subprime loans when they had the credit for a regular loan, the millions and millions in bogus fees that still sit on the books of these banks…and the very real possibility that these banks would have nothing if you took away their ability to force fees. That’s what must stop.
I doubt it’ll be a wonder drug, but it’ll still be better. Though it would be nice if these incremental fixes actually took us to the goal.
Don’t blame Obama’s inaction 100%. Most of the blame belongs to the Banks, MERS and the other folks who created the RBMS.
Boxturtle (That said, Barry could have fixed it but chose not to do so. Too painful for the banksters…)
Oh yawn. Another announcement. Another ineffective “program.”
Couldn’t have said it better as the Banks aren’t forced to participate but just encourage to….this won’t fly anywhere. Much like HOPE and HARP, it’s doom to failure without Banks having a money stake in helping out…
Good for you to point that out.
A new friend who also volunteers at the Kitchen lost his home. He has until January to find a place to live. It happened when he and his wife were laid off and his MIL (who helped with the mortgage) died.
It just all crumbled. I don’t know what he’s going to do. I’m trying to get him to start selling a lot of his stuff. Rooms full of furniture and art. It’s horrible to watch.
Sometimes I feel like most of us are just one accident or illness away from devastation.
Sign in OWS NY being waved in front of a cop: You are one round of “austerity” from joining us.
You could tell by the look on his face that he knew it was true.
I’ve got a good job, but I’m paycheck to paycheck because of the debt I incurred during my long unemployment. And I’m not the only one swimming in that pool.
Boxturtle (But I know how to make Stone Soup, so if the worst happens I should survive)
I would LOVE to see a LOT more of these folks with underwater loans simply walk away from these loans and leave the houses with the banks.
If you are late on your payments, etc. the banks take action against your home. They don’t view these transactions as some sort of “moral” deal. Yet, when the transaction goes the other way, the banks act as if the borrower has some sort of “moral” obligation to repay them, no matter what the consequences for the borrower are.
curious was the bank able to show they had clean title to the Note?
This is something I said in my interview with Occupy Austin Radio yesterday. We’re all 1 serious, unexpected illness away from having nothing.
MERS – a nice thank you from the Clinton Administration in 1995
Yes, it’s a good thing we hippies like healthy food like soup, but it’s the roof over my head that I worry about. In this housing market, hardly anyone is buying. There is no trading down. If we we forced to Walk Away from this house, the next purchase would be an RV that we’d have to stash somewhere. Cripes, it’s scary. Enough to make one want a drink.
I honestly don’t know. But, he has a lawyer. Doesn’t mean everything was done on the up and up.
It’s got to be even more disconcerting for people like you with Littles.
(Saw the photo of the girls with their sign. Nicely done, Kris.)
And if the loans are not guaranteed by Fannie or Freddie? Plenty of those out there, too. Are these people just left to twist in the wind?
Oddly, I may be seeing some improvement locally. Two homes on my street closed in the last month or so, already got families in them. Neither was a forclosure, though they had been on the market for at least a year.
Two forclosure’s also had their for sale signs taken down, but I don’t know if they sold. Nobody has moved in yet.
Boxturtle (There are at least 50 forclosed homes within walking distance of my house)
Maybe some nice firedogperson has a decent sized lot that they would let me park an RV on, if it came to that.
I think I need a spoonful of hope this morning, to go along with my oatmeal.
A cynic might suggest that if you’re patient, ALL the residential mortgages in the uSA will eventually be Fannie or Freddie. Obama MUST bail out his bankster buddies, but he must keep his hands clean. So expect the toxic stuff to migrate to the twins and the eventual bailout to be described as saving homeowners.
Boxturtle (They you can use that underfunded, limited program Obama described)
So now we have “Help the Homeowner Plan #184″ (or is it #185?). Never mind, it will have little effect on the housing mess. I find it hilarious that people really believe the same Bankster/DC/Fannie/Freddie assholes who created this mess will now “fix” it.
It’s like I said the other day. Some people will get fucked like dogs and then just roll over and beg for more.
Sure, I got two acres. But you have to like large dogs and be able to find a job in the area. And unless your job choice is fast food, there ain’t much.
Boxturtle (Probably be advisable to like cats, too)
If only the administration had worked with the congress to improve the jobless situation earlier. I know If Onlys don’t do much now, but…
A few of us were saying earlier that we don’t have a great handle on understanding economics. But, I do know that it’s all connected.
Thanks, you’re a doll. We have one large dog and an old cat.
If I had to, I could cook. I’m getting great experience at the MEND kitchen. :)
You’re where? (Not that it matters all that much.)
Xenia, Oh. Dayton, Columbus and Cincy are all drivable distance. Ifyou can cook, the local Bob Evans will hire you now. They seem to be having trouble keeping kitchen staff.
Boxturtle (Not sure why)
I’ve been wondering recently how to set up a way to hook up peoples needs. There are so many people becoming homeless and at the same time there are plenty of older folks who could use a caregiver, a helper. How to get them together. Of course there’s the stigma of being homeless. If things keep getting worse, maybe we can set up some sort of FDL board.
I agree -
David says “A real plan for housing would begin and end with principal reductions” – I suggest that massive refi program that allows 2nd mortgages to be rolled into the new mortgage and has fixed rate for all – 4% sounds nice – is needed.
I went HARP but it took 3 banks – $4,000 in closing and a $8,000 mortgage insurance insurance cost – albeit all rolled into the new loan – and my accepting a loan that 0.5% above the 30 year rate at the time – weird because HARP is not to look at credit rating and credit rating is what usually determines if you pay more that the Wall Street average.
But as the announcement of the coming announcement says – the banks can make there own rules under HARP despite HARP saying they make the rules.
The few homeowners that get help will appreciate this. A bit like the proposed AG settlement that offers principal reduction but is effective for only 20% of all loans – those owned by the banks. Still it would be appreciated.
We’re not there yet, but it’s mighty nice to know that there’s a viable plan B.
My husband has a good job with a decent salary and his company is doing fairly well and he is assured that he is an asset to them.
I guess I just woke up with the scary creepy crawlies this morning.
After I get a couple more months of serious cooking under my belt, maybe I’ll look for a job as a short order cook.
Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, Inc. (MERS) is a privately held company – Nothing legislatively brought MERS into existence.
getting rather desperate to dump on Clinton, eh? Still want to justify that Obama choice in 2008 by saying Clinton was as bad, with those Clinton tax rates and 22 million jobs that of course he does not deserve credit for?
Maybe you’ve missed the nature and substance of cbl’s comments here over the last 5 years. I mean, you must have, to say something so heinously inaccurate as her wanting to ‘justify that Obama choice’.
It must be What The Fuck Monday.
Interesting idea.
When the banks do as you say, and basically go out of business because they are broke because of it, who is going to cover the depositors?
FDIC? They don’t have the money. Their fund is designed for the bank failure here and there, not wholesale failure.
The government because you’ve nationalized the banks? They don’t have the funds either because the amount you are talking about is on a scale that exceeds what even the US government can cover–even with big tax increases.
So, now you’ve fucked up everyone everywhere to save a small percentage of people.
I was struck reading Vijay Prashad’s essay “Qaddafi from beginning to end” that he had begun his leadership in Libya giving excellent social programs to his people, then in order to qualify internationally as a legitimate national leader had taken on austerity programs and neoliberal cutbacks which alienated the less fortunate. This made his country vulnerable to ‘help’ from the very austerity pushers who had previously shaken his hand, and so they bombed.
Austerity alienates increasing masses of the people from their leadership (while always purporting to help the ones in danger of falling over the cliff), leading to further subjugation in that ‘first they came for…’ scenario. Leadership survives if it can keep control while diminishing the ranks of the fairly well to do and the socially secure. That seems to be what is happening with the propaganda about housing. The administration directs its message towards those about to go under, (not those who already have), and it seems legitimate until we realize too late that more have actually gone over that cliff down into the abyss.
This is how the powerful increase their hold on power, by pretending to help those in the middle group, which starts out large and could be a countervailing force did it so realize soon enough. Over they go, in an orchestrated power play, over to join the ranks of the dispossessed. And the PTB’s hold is strengthened.
It has become very necessary for those who have not already reached the abyss to join ranks with those who have fallen headlong. That is what OWS and the 99% movement is about. It’s not happening in a random way with no guilty parties. This thing is being orchestrated. Maybe the current hasn’t caught you up yet; you can bet it will.
Seems like someone’s looking to dump on someone, anyone.
On CBL makes no sense to me whatsoever.
This is not going to help that many people.
1. you have to be current on your payments. So, automatically, it doesn’t help anyone that is in trouble. None.
It helps only the people who are doing well to begin with but who would like a lower interest rate. That’s nice and nothing wrong with it, but it helps no one that needs help.
The main problem is that the housing market is so big that even the US government cannot help it. The amounts of money you are talking about is more than any government can spare.
And, if you make the banks spare it, they go bust. And, that doesn’t help the economy at all.
Maybe it is not understood that this economy runs on credit. One business does not pay for what it orders from another business until well after the goods are made and delivered. The main function of banks is to fund that gap in time while the first business buys materials and pays workers as they make the items–that they will be paid for later.
You eliminate that, and everything grinds to a halt.
And, solving a situation that came about from making bad loans by just making more bad loans isn’t a great idea.
This latest attempt has nothing to do with helping individual homeowners. The toxic assets are still out there and the other shoe will drop because all they want is Banks to be able to close the books on this debacle just like when the Saving and Loan mess was resolved. Share the risk but horde the reward.
Is this the same program where the feds guarantee the refinanced rates in exchange for the few homeowners it might help using ALL of their assets as collateral in exchange, just in case they go under in the future anyway? And does it not lock them in to payments at the current value of their house, which may keep declining and put them right back underwater in a couple of years anyway? I bet it is.
Typical Obama bandaid measure that doesn’t help the people who really need it and does nothing to address the core of the problem, which is corporate greed and abuse.
As for student loans, as Elizabeth Warren said, if they can’t file bankruptcy and liquidate those debts, nothing will correct the underlying problem.
Way too little, way too late.
Barack Obama is one with George McClellan during the Peninsula Campaign that could have effectively ended the Civil War in July 1862. Basically he is an ineffectual coward.
Well stated but I think there would be less angst among the 99% if people who actually committed fraud were at least worried about going to jail and the very wealthy shareholders of the suddenly profitable BIG BANKS had to suffer financially for this crisis of the “market”.
He is neither ineffectual or a coward in my eyes, he is on the side of Goldman Sack and Plunder and is doing lip service while the masses pay for everything the rich should pay for i.e. their bad investments and fraud.
Ok – inaccurate dumps on Clinton are justified by what?
Totally correct as to student loans – and indeed there is no product – no way – to protect from a decrease in the value of any non stock asset (with stocks you can buy a “put” that protects on the downside – but not with a mortgage).
Private Bank control needs tough regulation which we do not have.
On the positive side of the expanded HARP program, it does result in a lower monthly payment for those that refuse to go the default and then bankruptcy to kill the deficiency judgment resulting from a foreclosure on an underwater house. On the “it could be worse” side there is the fact that the EU follows the US student loan rule – you never get out from under the loan on mortgages even after the underwater foreclosure – bankruptcy can not remove the deficiency. The world is joining “occupy” because the banks have pushed too hard.
I should have noted that all the incentives now are for pushing the foreclosure – the banks as servicer make money at every step of the process.
So while there are only 20% of the mortgage loans that are bank owned which could be directly affected by the AG settlement, the AG’s could go into the Bank role as “servicer” and produce an agreement on the other 80% of the mortgage loans. David may want to go back to his sources and discuss this.
These are starting to look less like “programs” and more like one never ending pogrom against the American working class.
Cramdowns for people and bankruptcy for zombie banks are the real solutions. Instead we’re going to watch the MOTU pour gas on the American people and light the match.
Obama, the President that finally makes Hoover look Presidential.
not a HuffPo fan but this is worth reading as well – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/24/foreclosure-plan-obama-harp-refinancing_n_1028554.html