The President spoke yesterday in Las Vegas on the Administration’s new refinancing initiative. Just from a public education standpoint, the fact that the President of the United States is telling people they have the opportunity to refinance their mortgage might be as important as the changes to the program, in terms of take-up. What’s key about this from a policy standpoint is how circumspect the President was:
Now, these steps aren’t substitutes for the bold action that we need to create jobs and grow the economy, but they will make a difference. So we’re not going to wait for Congress [...]
So let me just give you an example. If you’ve got a $250,000 mortgage at 6 percent interest rates, but the value of your home has fallen below $200,000, right now you can’t refinance. You’re ineligible. But that’s going to change. If you meet certain requirements, you will have the chance to refinance at lower rates, which could save you hundreds of dollars a month, and thousands of dollars a year on mortgage payments.
This is a unique circumstance, though certainly not in Nevada, where everyone is underwater. We’re talking about homeowners whose loan was acquired by Fannie or Freddie before May 2009, who are underwater on the loan but still current for at least six months, or with only one missed payment in a year. And we’re really talking about the severely underwater, since HARP was already open to those with a 125% loan-to-value ratio.
With that kind of limited scope, it’s hard to agree with Joe Gagnon’s claim that this will create 4 million jobs. But here’s his argument. It’s mainly based on what happens November 15. At that time, the FHFA will announce the “modest fee” associated with the relieving of representations and warranties claims on the loans, something I explained yesterday. There’s substantial question over this; Paul Kiel catches FHFA officials saying that there will be no fee at all. The FHFA’s claim is that loans that were originated over three years ago that made it through the financial crisis and remain current have a very low risk for reps and warranties, and therefore a low value associated with them. Defective loans usually go delinquent much earlier in the process. So they believe they’re not giving up a whole lot with R&W. The banks, of course, do; otherwise they would be refinancing these loans already, and this wouldn’t be a major barrier to refinancing.
Gagnon thinks that when all of this gets factored in, and if FHFA sustains a public education campaign – like writing to every newly eligible borrower to inform them of their options – you would see a surge of refis:
Judging from the pattern of previous refinancing waves, a sustained decline in mortgage rates of 2 to 2.5 percentage points in combination with reform of HARP likely would cause a surge of mortgage originations equal to more than half of the existing stock of agency-backed home mortgages. That would total at least $3 trillion. The median decline in the mortgage interest rate would be more than 2 percentage points, implying an overall reduction in household interest expense of $60 billion to $80 billion per year [...]
The annual savings to borrowers would be about 0.5 percent of GDP. Because of the long-lasting nature of these savings, the total effect on household spending would be greater than that of an equivalent but temporary tax cut. In addition, the availability of record-low mortgage rates for a fixed period of time likely would spur potential new home buyers into the market and boost home building and sales.
Even more important, if the Federal Reserve supported the refinancing boom by purchasing $2 trillion of new MBS, for example, the existing MBS holders would have to find another market in which to invest $2 trillion. This avalanche of money would surely push up stock prices, push down bond yields, support real estate prices, and push up the value of foreign currencies. All of these financial developments would stimulate US economic activity. Based on a recent Fed study (Chung et al 2011) Fed purchases of this magnitude would increase US GDP by more than 2 percent after about two years, creating nearly 3 million additional jobs. This estimate includes only a small part of the effects operating through the mortgage refinance channel discussed above, so that the total effects on the economy would be even larger, perhaps creating 4 million extra jobs or more.
This is a highly speculative analysis, and it seems to rely more on Fed purchases than it does the refi initiative. By contrast, Felix Salmon calls the plan pathetic. He notes the FHFA’s own stats for take-up would mean that the program wouldn’t generate any more refis than it does right now.
“Given current market interest rates, our best estimate is that by the end of 2013 HARP refinances may roughly double or more from their current amount but such forward-looking projections are inherently uncertain.”
First, by the end of 2013? Never mind mortgage relief now, we’ll try and get you mortgage relief in two years’ time? [...]
In the 28-month history of HARP, we’ve managed a grand total of 894,000 HARP refinancings, which works out to about 32,000 per month. Interestingly, the chart ends at August 2011, which means it represents exactly half of the total timeframe from the beginning of HARP to the end of 2013.
In other words, the FHFA is projecting that the pace of HARP refinancings won’t increase at all as a result of this plan. We’ll still average out at about 30,000 per month — maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, but you’re never going to make a dent in the mountain of 11 million underwater mortgages at that rate.
I think the Administration response is that it’s hard to estimate these things (and they’ve been screwed with estimates before so they’re opting on the small side), that 1.9 to 3.1 million more people would be eligible, so maybe you’re talking about take-up on that universe of borrowers alone. And maybe these HARP benefits for borrowers with high LTV ratios will be applied to people with lower LTV ratios, encouraging more refis. And even if all of this is wrong and Felix is right, they would say that this helps a certain class of people stuck by falling home values through no fault of their own, and paying more in interest on their loan to the banks than they should have to.
However, the take-up issue is going to run into a brick wall, and that brick wall is homeowner cynicism about government mortgage programs.
Across America, despite the hundreds protesting for limited government or more government action, a broad swath of the middle class hit hard by the crash in housing prices is quietly resigned, given up on seeing any relief — particularly from politicians [...]
“Most of the programs have been based on ideas of reducing your monthly payments for a period of time,” said Jay Butler, a professor emeritus at Arizona State University’s W.P. Carey School of Business who has closely tracked the housing and foreclosure crisis in Arizona. “I think a lot of these ideas started in the Bush administration with the idea that was going to be relatively short-lived, one or two years, and things would get back to great and glorious. And none of that has happened.”
And many of those programs, Butler said, are not being used by the people who really need them.
“It’s difficult to understand programs,” he said. “Who do you contact? The loan servicer? The lender? They might not even have the mortgage anymore. Then you have all these scams going on. … It’s sort of like this snowball running down the crest. It just keeps getting bigger and bigger and sooner or later it just runs you over.”
The Administration can brag about all the housing programs they’ve put in place. But the truth is that because of HAMP and the other failures on this front, the link between borrowers and their government has been severed. I’m sure there is a large and growing universe of people who won’t take up this program because they’ve been burned one too many times. Or they’ve heard about a friend or neighbor who was burned. The danger from HAMP to liberal notions of government operating as a helping hand hasn’t been fully understood by the technocrats in Washington.



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4 million jobs? ROFL
California update:
State agency forecloses on homebuyers current on mortgages
“In a report released Monday, the California Senate Office of Oversight and Outcomes faults the California Housing Finance Agency for foreclosing on homeowners who move into larger homes, often renting out their first ones because they cannot sell them in the weak housing market.
“Each foreclosure costs the agency more than $50,000 in uninsured losses, according to the report, “Good Deeds Punished: State-Run Mortgage Lender Forecloses on Californians Current on Their Loans.”‘
More.
There’s a debate?
“I’m from the government and I’m here to help the banks screw you over.”
I’m starting to lose my confidence in the Obama administration’s ability to make ANY kind of dent in the current economic crisis EXCEPT, of course, to shore up Wall Street and guarantee they all receive their multi-million bonuses.
This litany of supposed economic effects is mostly wrong — particularly the effect on economic activity, if that is to mean lowering unemployment and increasing growth.
Fed purchases of new MBS would have none of these real effects — with the possible exception of temporarily pushing up stock and commodity prices. If this analysis were true, QE would have had a major impact on US economic activity.
It did not.
All of the brain power is working to come up with ways to alleviate the bad debt carried by B of A and others. This was the deal the Govt made with B of A when they were coaxed into buying Countrywide. What creative accounting is going on right now to let B of A Citi and Wells declare profits in their last quarter? This is all BS. This will only generate fees for banks.
A word of caution for anyone considering this.
Many mortgages are required to have Private Mortgage Insurance (PMI) until you pay off 20% of the homes value. It generally amounts to several hundred dollars per month. Once you’ve paid off 20% of the mortgage, charge goes away even if your home value drops – HOWEVER, if you refinance, that can be added back on.
You’re *just now* starting to lose confidence? Methinks that was snarkalicious… or malicious, not sure which.
For a debate look elsewhere. Sorry to say this but lately FDL’s been eerily one-sided in skewing “debate” particulars to make Obama look “less” worse. THE interesting part of this new Obama offering is Obama once again absolves Banks from their transgressions. Huff.Post offers a clearer perspective on the failings of this Bill. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/24/foreclosure-plan-obama-harp-refinancing_n_1028554.html?1319476780
Yes, yes and yes. It’s a bogus b.s. to provide shoring up of the banks at the taxpayers expense. Wasn’t there something in yesterday’s “nooz” about said banks getting “poised” to provide their top .05% gigantic bonuses yet again???
How about if all the top fat-cats in the banking industry world-wide took pay cuts, no bonuses, and got their income taxes increased? I can’t wait for the rightwingers to come here and bash me on that one. Methinks, though, it would work better than this “deal” will work.
Bash away… broad shoulders, y’all.
Yes, and that, too. O once again absolves banks from their transgressions, and all is well in the land of 1%. So effen sick ‘n tired of that nonsense. O with his miniscule crumbs ‘n bones tossed out to the 99% rabble, whilst his 1% backers get away with criminal mayhem, per usual.
Yes, read that one, too. Yet again: stick it to the middle/working class taxpayers, while the real crooks in the banking & mortgage industry go off scott-free. AND CA taxpayers are dinged twice by having to PAY big-time for these useless foreclosures, which are unnecessary.
Blood set to boiling once again.
So, what’s up at FDL? Dayen’s one of the best here & he forgets to mention this? Curious.
So, no reduction on principal (for under water houses) and reestablishes title paper trail?
How does a homeowner know if their LTV is 125%+ and qualified for the program without paying for an appraisal? I don’t see the bank paying for this $300 charge per loan.
Yes. Many of the comments have mentioned it, though, so there is that. I even heard similar commentary about how O’s “gesture” isn’t addressing the crook behavior of the banks on a MSM “nooz” show last night. Go figure.
The appraisers were very involved in the bad behavior that led to this and they will be motivated to continue behaving badly since nothing has changed and no one was investigated, charged or fined that I’m aware of.
That’s a big 10-4 good buddy. My son found that out “just in time”. Note, $200 per month is $2,400 PER YEAR. I added it up on my calculator. And $2,400 per year is $4,800 for two years. That’s REAL money there.
Little “snark” there. Me, I’m never malicious. I used to be a boy scout.
You and me both. THis administration is gonna drive me to drink. Not that that’s gonna be a long ride. But still……. They’ve already made me switch from lite beer to the real stuff.
You speak the truth. My son is part-time realtor and he says EVERYBODY was involved to get a “dodgy” loan through. Applicants income was “enhanced”. Appraisal was “nudged”. Finance rate was raised at the last minute when it was too late for the buyer to back out. People were even overcharged for copies and nobody, but NOBODY would validate parking.
We’ve become, like the native Americans before us, a nation of victims of fraud, greed and avarice. Or is that redundant???
Yeah: exactly. No one’s been held accountable, nor has there been any effort to really change how the system is run or regulated. So where is the motivation on the part of the 1% to behave any “better”? There’s none. There’s no Rule of Law that applies to these Crooks. They get away with murder and their 99% enablers on the conservative side are only too happy to rush in and blame it on so-called lazy slackers or dreadful minorities.
And so: on it goes…
Did I say I’m 1/16 Cherokee? I’m already a litle sensitive and leary about the “blue coats” and the “long knives”.
It’s just like my niece and her daugher. She says “no cookies before dinner”. The when my grand-niece pulls three cookies out of the cookie jar, nothing happens.
Banksters been raiding the cooking jar with impunity. Still are.
Signed,
Lazy Slacker
speaking of jobs…. it was mentioned on CNN last nite that there actually arent enough people to process this program since the industry has laid off over 50% of its workforce.
At what percentage point does an underwater mortgage payer decide it’s not worth it and chooses to walk away? 200%? 300%?
“. . .Let me just give you one example. That street that he was on today, the president was on today, a house there, a specific house we looked up was worth $210,000 in 2007. A month ago, it sold for less than $70,000.” – Jon Ralston, LVSun http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec11/foreclosures_10-24.html
What the 200% underwater homeowner should do is bribe an appraiser to value the house at $300,000 and then sell it to a REIT that then transfers the title to a made up financial instrument that gets a bogus AAA rating and then you sell it to Greece. Simple and foolproof.
I think it could be more the way DD structures his story telling. This was titled, Debating the Effectiveness… (And I am only considering responding because I have asked similar even in pretty angry tone at times with no response from dd.)
I click the story’s link to read more, then I’m left wondering where’s the larger context. Well, it’s in the comments section. When I have been most angry at something that was not mentioned by a front pager, I have looked at the title and seen a pattern. Fortunately we have a discussion that isn’t constricted by the narrowing of the topic by the original piece’s title and focus.
Ok, I don’t expect that to satisfy, just sharing where I’m at.
The larger context for everything(?) obama does is to don’t look back look forward, no financial terrorist left behind, grow the empire, and race to the bottom. If people like DD had to mention that sort of thing with so prolific a contribution to FDL every time a story was written, I imagine it would get very corrosive, instead, maybe it’s better that there be a tighter focus in the original pieces and commenters can argue over context and bring in some of the larger picture? I really don’t know.
If you want to give him a hard time about this missing piece, maybe you’re right. I certainly don’t hold back, can’t see why anyone else should.
if you have a second mortgage, this program will not be one you can take advantage of as most will not let you go without paying off.
Many did a 80/20 loan to get out of PMI.
As far as appraisers go, there were many who were shopped around to get the highest number available, but there were also plenty of sales available to support thos high numbers,,remember, everyone was buying real estate,,everybody..causing prices to get jacked up..
The real problem was the loan offers and programs that were set up by the banks and wall street…
Libor loans, intersest only, neg Am loans, no income verification,,etc…
Andrew Cuemo was a big, BIG player in all this when he was at hud…He has Blood on his hands..
all appraisals get reviewed by a Under Writer and many also go up against a AVM.
The appraiser makes $200 to $400 per assignment.
The Loan officer makes up to 3% of the loan amount plus back end fees (Not Disclosed) ($10,000+). The RE Agant makes 6 to 7% comission,,
So who really has the incentive to jack up anything?
Think people…
Excellent piece of research.
Down here in Houston, where things are “not as bad”, the good residential properties are off about 20% from 2008. The marginal properties about 30-35%. According to MY research, 8 houses competing for 1 buyer.
Creative accounting sounds like alot of work. I’d rather swap an LV desert house and a gambling job for a cavehouse on a Greek isle and rent motorbikes to tourists.
Actually, I’m sellng my house that’s “paid for”. Have you got a “plan” for me??????
I do, buy silver, rent till 2014
Warning: Very hot and humid in the Greek isles in the summer time.
Two words………..Costa Rica.
Thanks!!!!!
Silver, huh???
Gold is too high, Silver is more cost efficent and willhold its value even with inflation that is coming reguardless of what the Fed says, just go to the grocery store and you can see what Im talking about… in additon, most silver is used in everyday items driving demand as well……
Dont forget to Rent as well…
We had appraisers in CA that knew if they didn’t appraise a property high enough they wouldn’t get any more calls from Countrywide. There was even a criminal case brought by our now wimpy Gov naming Countrywide and many appraisers for collusion that seems to have died when B of A took over.
Is you homeowners Insurance paid up? Do you often go away for the weekend and leave candles burning?
I thought about that….I have aluminum wiring and a gas heater. Don’t need any candles.
Plus, in support of your “argument”..NOBODY gets paid if the loan doesn’t get approved and the house doesn’t sell.
I’m not saying that is still rampant. But, I have it on good authority it WAS the rule rather than the exception from 2003-2007.
The Obama administration sure missed an opportunity. Without recovery in the housing market, the economy isn’t going to recover. That has been clear since the inauguration in 2009. But their priority all along has been to protect the banks, not the victims of mortgage fraud. How is the administration’s policy any different from Willard (“Mitt”) Romney?
which is an exact replica of the story I wrote yesterday. http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/10/24/fhfa-refi-plan-helps-banks-reduce-liability-on-bad-loan-origination/
So nothing proposed by O really is designed to help the Homeowner. This latest version will help generate fees for banks, appraisers, and title companies and the homeowners that are helped are just collateral beneficiaries.
DD’s links to this in his roundup and in this post as well. It highlights weaknesses.
Obama’s pathetic refinancing initiative
The DHS….Department of Homeland Scrutiny, an obscure non-partisan, politically neutral organization, agrees.
That story is, in fact, highlighted in this story! As is my previous story about the discharging of liability!
I’m sorry I didn’t meet the recommended daily allowance of hatred in a post that included all that.
You did fine as usual, don’t let a bunch of crabbie patties give you any guff. A bit of constructive criticism though, More I HATE OBAMA :)
Do you have badges? I want one!
Willard just says “FU” while Obama says ” Oh you poor soul FU”
good post. I agree, but really miss the wonderful (should’ve been award winning) 2010 coverage of the HCR enactment. Thx.
Missed it, thx. Yes, it’s certainly closer to the point, but it’s hardly a replica. I think it’s Administration P.R. to refer to this give-away as “stimulus”. We’ve heard this before, let’s see how many sign on to it. And, where’s the stimulus in the bad debt for good swap? Personally, I side with Baker – many of the targeted homeowners might still be better walking away.
Of course “Banks will flock to this”, what else will they do with their garbage if they can’t foist it on the rest of us? I’ll get excited when someone shows me an equivalent win from ANY Obama program for the tax paying middle-class.
http://awurl.com/IpZCQmtK1
obviously spectacularly effective and successful–
getting you to now officially be the proud owners
of the TBTF banks’ Ponzi Scheme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6_1Pw1xm9U
Even if the DP nominates a real Progressive in ’12, so much
damage has been done.
Countrywide used a company they owned called Landsafe to outsource appraisals to there “PERFERRED” Appraisers.
They charged the borrower $500 and paid the number hitter $200 for the appraisal pocketing $300 in profit.
Their appraisers were actually 1099 IC but were in my opinion employees…
Countrywide, Wa Mu, and many other Large banks did and still do make a profit on the appraisal and only amatures and incompetent appraisers work for such companies…
The frustrations, anger, and similar unpleasant emotions aren’t hate.
Please forgive the regular venting and sometimes frequent confusion. You’re piecing it together fast, and whatever you write just fires people up even more. There’s gonna be friendly fire sadly, it’s just how much anger there is out there.
Lotsa love and respect for your efforts. You’re making an impact, you’re having an effect.