The other day, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney tried to offload the decision on whether to go forward with the Keystone XL pipeline on the State Department. But President Obama himself was asked about the pipeline in a local news interview last night, and he took full responsibility for making the decision. In doing so, he related a full understanding of the public health risks, though he limited that to the immediate risks of a pipeline spill, rather than the extraction and burning of tar sands oil in general.
The State Department’s in charge of analyzing this, because there’s a pipeline coming in from Canada. They’ll be giving me a report over the next several months, and, you know, my general attitude is, what is best for the American people? What’s best for our economy both short term and long term? But also, what’s best for the health of the American people? Because we don’t want for examples aquifers, they’re adversely affected, folks in Nebraska obviously would be directly impacted, and so we want to make sure we’re taking the long view on these issues.
We need to encourage domestic oil and natural gas production. We need to make sure that we have energy security and aren’t just relying on Middle East sources. But there’s a way of doing that and still making sure that the health and safety of the American people and folks in Nebraska are protected, and that’s how I’ll be measuring these recommendations when they come to me.
The interviewer with KETV-TV in Omaha went on to ask whether the jobs gained from the pipeline would “play into the equation,” and Obama said:
It does, but I think folks in Nebraska like all across the country aren’t going to say to themselves, “We’ll take a few thousand jobs if it means that our kids are potentially drinking water that would damage their health or rich land that’s so important to agriculture in Nebraska are being adversely affected” because those create jobs, and you know when somebody gets sick that’s a cost that the society has to bear as well. So these are all things that you have to take a look at when you make these decisions.
This is definitely encouraging, though as I said, it looks at the problem from a NIMBY standpoint rather than the main idea that burning tar sands oil is, as Bill McKibben put it over the weekend, the fuse to the biggest carbon bomb on the planet. Climate scientist James Hansen has said that if the pipeline goes through, the climate will basically never be stabilized. That’s the larger problem, though obviously the risk to the Ogalalla aquifer is a factor as well. Keep in mind that Obama actually won the single electoral vote in the Omaha area in Nebraska, and probably wants to win it again.
Joe Romm reports that TransCanada, perhaps seeing the writing on the wall on Obama’s decision, suggested that they may go ahead with a route through Canada to Asian markets for the tar sands oil.
Executives at Alberta-based TransCanada Corp., which has enlisted the oil and gas industry’s lobbying muscle to help surmount environmentalist push-back against XL, walked a fine line on the fate of the pipeline during a third-quarter earnings call. As they reiterated earlier expectations of a State Department decision on the Canada-to-U.S. oil link by year’s end, the TransCanada officials noted that whether a further delay would scotch the project depends on commitments with shippers.
While there are sunset clauses in those shipping contracts for Keystone XL, TransCanada pipelines President Alex Pourbaix said today, “As long as we receive our approval … we do not expect our shippers to rely on those sunset provisions any time in the near future.”
At the moment, TransCanada executives noted, their customers lack an alternative method to ship Canadian oil sands crude that approaches the scale of the $7 billion XL link. But “if the administration delays the project long enough,” Pourbaix posited, those shippers “are not going to support us anymore.”
Obviously, the Canadian government would have to approve that. And it may just be a bluff to get the US to give in. The superior option for refining is to route the pipeline to Texas.
DeSmogBlog has positive reaction to this development, and notes that there will be further protest of the pipeline on November 6, when activists will circle the White House.




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Protest every breath Obama takes, embarrass him, humiliate him, and beat him senseless like the Cons do. It’s the only thing Obama responds to.
A Good Man Is Hard to Find
Until there is genuine reason to think otherwise, DDay, Obama’s words are NOT “… definitely encouraging …”, rather such words must be seen as simply more, and very typical, Obama campaign rhetoric, “… campaign shouting …” as Chuck Berry put it in a song, once upon a time.
Words are not, ever, to be taken as anything but words when Obama is uttering them, it is the ACTIONS, or lack of them which count, when assessing Obama.
Perhaps, it is time to hopey that Obama changey … for some folks? I shall, however, consider Obama’s words to mean little or nothing, except as a means to deceive …
DW
Fifty bucks says this year’s Goolsbee is on the phone with TransCanada assuring them that the President doesn’t really mean it, and that they’re just punting until after the election.
I’m sure you’re right. However, even earning a postponement is helpful as a lot will change between now and December 2012. And, especially as the U.S. Citizen Rebellion grows, all successes can provide the foundation for more successes.
Yep Jane but I’m sure by now corp. knows 0 spinning the story for them. Just more of that clean coal and nuke talk from 0.
Yeah, and asking them for a bundle of campaign contributions to boot, I bet ; ) Billion Dollar Obama cannot be trusted. He needs cash and he’d blow up the planet to get it.
You know this Nov 6 is so close to the White House that the President just might put on some comfortable shoes and march on out to take a stand with the People or not.
Again I ask why Shrub & Slick Willie were in Surrey, CA (Vancouver). I smell a shipment deadline commitment.
I think we could lay banker’s odds, say … forty to one, Jane …
Bet a million, or even a trillion bucks … there’s nothing to lose.
And, if we’re a bit “off” on the “timing” of our wee gamble, then President Osterity will, assuredly, bail us (the “effin’ retards”, as opposed to the clever and “astute” … like Corzine, for example) out … on the backs of the 99%.
What’s not to like?
;~DW
From “Anton’s motion to dismantle Occupy Vancouver dies on table” | News1130 Staff | Nov 01, 2011 19:14:31 PM:
I am sure Obama will make a lot of speeches and fight tooth and nail against the pipeline, but in the end the Republicans will “force” him to OK it.
He’ll then expect us to wildly cheer our fierce eco warrior.
It doesn’t sound like he’s planning on taking responsibility, it sounds like he’s planning on taking credit.
There are countless examples of Obama suggesting one position, or flat out saying one position, and then his action is the exact opposite.
Its fairly pointless to make judgments based off his speech at this point (and in fact the logical assumption would be that if he sounds progressive, expect the opposite). Given all his actions up to this point, I expect him to approve the pipeline.
I think the best we can hope for at this moment is delay. So I am cheered by the decision to make no decision until after the election. I have no faith that Obama means what he is saying any more than he has in the past. I do have some faith in the people getting more and more restless and sustaining opposition having some effect. The more delay the more the opposition strengthens.
I also have some hopes the Canadian people will come to their senses and stop it on their end. Their fall into the depths of conservatism has to me been more surprising and alarming than ours’.
Obama sees himself as a perpetual victim. Don’t be duped again. He’ll just postpone the decision until after the election and try to blackmail people into voting for him. That’s why he defended DADT and DOMA while the democrats controlled congress, to blackmail gay people into voting for him in 2012.
I doubt Obama has the spine to stop the pipeline, when there’s so much campaign cash depending on it. Besides, he doesn’t really WANT to stop it.
Prediction: The decision will be made in December, right when the price increase for seasonal refinery switchover hits. He’ll say it was because the economy couldn’t stand the price hike. He will not mention that the tar oil is way more expensive to prouce nor will he mention that there will be no additional oil on the market for this for at least a decade.
Boxturtle (He will then troop to Wall St. to collect his checks)
Here’s a little something OT for the TBoggers ….
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/occupy-wall-street_b_1071288.html
DW
x2
Boxturtle (And Daily Kos will lead the cheerleaders)
Has everyone seen this?
Preeminent economics journal in the US estimates coal-fired electricity generation air pollution damages range from 0.8 to 5.6 times value added. –> And that’s before tar sands.
American Economic Review 101 (August 2011): 1649–1675 http://www.aeaweb.org/articles.php?doi= 10.1257/aer.101.5.1649
Let me think. How may times has the President disappointed his “base”? How many times has this President chosen “Business Leaders” over Professional Angry Leftists? How many times has this President pretended to be something he was not?
Answer: Always, Always, Always. I predict this monstrosity will be approved by our Professional Rightist President. HE is a neutered President neutered by the neo-cons. His Pipeline is an obscenity.
Another obscenity is the falsehood about Martin Luther King Jr. Obama wants us to believe King was also a neutered eunuch, who compromises everything as Obama does. King would OPPOSE this Pipeline without compromising. Obama is no Martin Luther King Jr, but Obama serves Demons.
LOL – Jane, you have a great memory :-)
Indeed a few details don’t seem to work in my failing memory. Wasn’t there a native peoples veto that the Canadian government can not get around re the pipeline to a Pacific port/refinery?
This oil needs to be refined in Canada and shipped to Ottawa and from there to Detroit and Chicago. The nonsense of running through hoops so as to get the crude to a Saudi refinery in Texas so they can ship it overseas is crazy.
I still don’t follow the Bill McKibben thought “fuse to the biggest carbon bomb on the planet” or the Climate scientist James Hansen thought that “if the pipeline goes through, the climate will basically never be stabilized”. The total system carbon footprint of this oil, from extraction to refining to burning, is about 17% higher that the standard land/off shore drilled oil system footprint because most of the footprint comes from the burning. I guess the idea is to keep fossil fuels scarce so we use less.
But meanwhile the extraction process is a disaster to the environment and all creatures within 50 miles. A bit like “fracking” shale for gas and getting water that burns, but worse.
I’m predicting approval. Of course, some cursory “environmental safeguards” will be tacked on to the legislation. There is just too much money to be made by too many different corporations and individuals. Last month I was in Montana and the talk is that the pipeline will be paying for the right-of-way. The amount is not known, but rumor was that the payment was in the lower 5 figures per acre. Big ranchers and farmers will be pocketing huge sums to allow pipe on their land. It’s the Golden Rule folks–”He who has the Gold, Rules”.
I will reserve judgement…and I DO mean Judgement. After almost 3 years, I have been taught by Obama to watch what he does, not what he says. That has been my most disturbing revelation about the President I voted for. So, we wait. And we will discover if he follows the money, or not. If he doesn’t know by now that the “information” fed to him is gathered by those who profit from the XL pipline, then…NAH! He knows. Somebody put Hanson on TV, a lot. Expose the consequences to all of us if he doesn’t DO the right thing so that he can never plead ignorance (when we know he isn’t).
There is so little real difference between what the oil companies want and what the US govt does that Obama’s guarded concerns about “the health and safety of the American people” are just as cheap and disingenuous as any Republican candidate talking about taking the country back for the little guy.
Our government is not ‘of the people, for the people, and by the people’. Our soldiers are not fighting for ‘freedom.’ And the Democratic president does not care about addressing the causes and solutions for climate change or protecting the environment, unless it is in glib statements meant to be a balm to gullible Democrats fears.
Again I ask: will someone remind me why we should hold our noses and vote for the ‘lesser of two evils?’ What evil is 0 lesser than?
thank you !
have said this again and again — my money is on their ‘hoping’ there’s some lull, quiet moment, and these bastards will hand off the approval process through some side door via some obscure Exec Branch agency (BLM, BIA, MMT, etc.) — it is what they have done with fracking and mountaintop removal mining
I have tremendous respect, trust, and admiration for all that TarSandsAction is doing, and I pray they are ready for this misdirection bs
My thoughts exactly DW…and thanks for articulating it so well. As usual, O wants to play both sides of the issue and make everyone happy, but when it comes to caving to his oil industry masters, he’ll collapse as usual.
y’all know this White House has
been leaning on NY AG Schneiderman to stop his suing the extractionists,
has been sending the Army Corps of Engineers to strong arm members of the Delaware River Basin Comm.
made a token agreement (gesture of goodwill) w/ ReliantIndia to sell them ‘tranches’ of the Marcellus Shale
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera
You know it.
To paraphrase The Police:
Ev’ry little thing he says is bullshit
Ev’rything he does is just plain wrong
Even though before him was the Bush twit
Still my hate for him is strongggggggggggggg
My default assumption on everything Obama says/does is that he’s lying, that he’s working to ruin people’s lives and that he should be impeached in the House, tried in the Senate, removed from office, arrested, arraigned, indicted, tried, convicted, sentenced, imprisoned, beaten and gang-raped. It will be a long, long, long time before I move off of these positions, as far as I can tell.
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The First Nations in Canada have already voted a definite no on the pipeline. That’s why TransCanada went with plan B, the bribing of Saint Hillary and Obamanation. He mentions the “report” he’ll get from State about the pipeline knowing the majority doesn’t know it was basically done “in house” by TransCanada, and the State Dept. officials of Saint Hillary couldn’t sell out to them fast enough. The only way the pipeline will go through Canada is if the First Nations can be branded “insurgent terrorists” and massive military aid can be used to wipe them out, just as is being done to the peasants of Colombia who have the temerity to be living atop the resources the trans-national corporations covet there, under Obamanation’s Free Trade Act he just got pushed through. Win, lose, or draw next year this fraudulent politician will be working for the people he’s worked for from day 1, FIRE, Pharma, Fossil Fuels, and War Profiteers.
obama’s words are the gold standard in hypocrisy.
It’s a win-win for obama.
With his words he gains support from the so-called left.
With his actions he gains support from his greedy friends.
Spin away from any charges of lying, hypocrisy or flip-flopping with focus grouped excuses.
Repeat.
I’m not from Missouri but when it comes to Obama: “Show me.” Oh! And a wholehearted “you betcha’ ” to Jane’s posit.
Sheesh. I got an email from Jamie Henn @ 350.org asking us to “click here” to THANK Obama for “taking ownership” of the decision and to remind him that he shouldn’t approve the pipeline.
Criminy! Thank Obama!!!??? Somebody better tell 350.org to stop being so naive.
Over and over and over again and again Obama has SHOWN by his actions that his words mean little or nothing. With one exception: when he is kowtowing and caving to the Rebaggers he comes thru to deliver the goods into their sneering faces.
I’ve been calling organizations that fill my email inbox with self-defeating framing and asking them to do better and explaining why it matters. I have had really good responses from everyone except Sierra Club and the Dem Party so far.
Perfectly stated!
I wrote to 350.org about the self-defeating framing and they responded, but it was basically a “Thanks for writing, Micki!” But they did put an exclamation mark after my name, so maybe that is a positive response. :-)
Ha :) Maybe it will get an adequate response later. If nothing else, it gives me a better feel for an organization.