The Super Committee continues to meet and pretend like they’re going to come up with an end product in three weeks. We’ve learned a bit more about the Republican offer. We know that the Democrats’ plan was no great shakes, but needless to say, the Republican plan is worse, particularly in the area of revenues. Republicans did not include no revenue increases in their plans, but not by much, as the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities shows:
The new Republican plan provides for slightly more than $3 trillion in deficit reduction over the next ten years, relative to a current-policy baseline that assumes extension of all the 2001-2003 tax cuts. Of that amount, only about 1 percent of the deficit reduction ($40 billion) stems from revenue increases. And, compared to the “plausible baseline” that the Bowles-Simpson Fiscal Commission and the Senate’s Gang of Six used, which assumes expiration of the upper-income tax cuts, the latest Republican plan actually provides for tax cuts of more than $800 billion over ten years.
Via Brian Beutler, above is the chart comparing the Democratic and Republican plans, relative to a current policy baseline. And the baseline is important here: that’s how the Republicans get away with saying they raise taxes in their plan, however small, when in reality it’s a massive tax cut that goes mostly to the rich. And it’s actually worse than CBPP says; they are factoring $800 billion in tax cuts below a “plausible baseline,” but if you use a current law baseline, it’s actually more like $3.6 trillion.
Republicans actually claimed more revenue increase through a process called “dynamic scoring,” also known as “lying,” where an assumption is made that lower tax rates automatically spur economic growth, leading to more revenue coming in. The Clinton and Bush years should obliterate the argument for dynamic scoring, but Republicans soldier on.
I don’t know that we should focus a heck of a lot on these plans. Pat Toomey, a member of the committee, admitted that the two sides have a “fundamental divide,” so the notion that anything is going to come out of the committee isn’t really backed up by experience. I know Erskine Bowles can wank about the Medicare eligibility age all he wants, but he’s free to run his mouth because he doesn’t represent anybody. Those who do understand the political implications of austerity, or who are on the right and against raising taxes, pay more attention (at least to the prospects of re-election).
Here’s the important point: so-called “failure” in the Super Committee is simply not consequential. Moody’s, the credit rating agency, proved that today:
The fate of the nation’s AAA credit rating does not hinge solely on the final product of the deficit supercommittee, according to Moody’s Investors Service.
The credit rater said Tuesday that while there is a “significant chance” the panel will fail to reach a deal, the ultimate outcome of its work will not be “decisive” in assessing whether to keep the nation’s credit rating at AAA.
Moody’s said it is going to be looking at the composition of any deal reached in assessing the nation’s credit, and any positive momentum toward dealing with the deficit would be recognized — whether it comes from the supercommittee or the automatic triggers that are supposed to kick in if a deal falls through.
“Agreement by the [supercommittee] and the Congress as a whole on a larger amount of deficit reduction would be favorable, but the smaller amount triggered by the spending caps is still a step in the same direction,” the rater said in a new report. “Thus, the committee outcome will not necessarily lead to any change in our rating stance.”
As the prospect of failure grew large, a lot of austerians threatened catastrophic consequences. As Moody’s shows, there are pretty much no consequences, at least as far as credit ratings are concerned.






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When you hear Bowles or Simpson tell us what the bond markets want, you have to laugh.
It’s funny that they think markets are efficient,
except when the message the markets are sending is not the desired one.
At the risk of being accused of ageism, all I could think about while watching
the Four Horsemen of the Austericalypse (Bowles, Simpson, Rivlin and Domenici)
make their plea for $4 trillion in cuts was: here are a bunch of wrinkled rich people demanding that
the young (and the not-rich rest of us) suffer. The damage that these monsters want to inflict on today’s youth will last a lifetime.
Well said, ageism be damned, allan, ’tis truth you delineate.
DW
The question at hand is one of whether it’s going to get bad enough so that the voters coalesce around a successful “throw the bums out” strategy. Occupy proved there will be pushback against the conversion of the middle class into a reserve labor force. Let the Republicans have their plan, then put the Green Party (or something like that) in power.
if reports in the guardian are true sounds like the US gearing up to attack Iran, so we could find ourself at war and all this will be pushed aside. I swear the owners of this world are sick psychos and they seem to want war.
Sure the stupidshit Democrats want more revenue, AFTER extending BushCo’s tax cuts. Democratic Party = con job.
Bowles makes precisely the argument that will have me voting against Obama and Klobuchar in 2012. He essentially admits that the UN-affordable NO-care Act was a Trojan Horse to kill Medicare. That’s what many of us here at FDL figured all along.
I cannot under any circumstances vote for the party that did that to the American people.
Rescue democracy. Vote 3rd party in 2012.
Cenk Uyger’s take is that the Stuporcommittee will push through a plan fairly close to the one the Republicans are proposing. Congress will pass it on the grounds that the alternative would “put the country at risk” due to the defense cuts that would be triggered by a failure of the supercommittee plan. Obama will claim not to want to sign it, but will claim to have no choice.
I frankly don’t find a lot to argue with there. I don’t really believe the triggered cuts to defense will happen, as there is just too much lobbyist cash from the M-I complex on Capitol Hill to allow it.
ARGH!!! I can’t say enough about this. I’m 60 with a job that isn’t likely to be there for more than a year or so and I’m trying to figure out how to bridge healthcare until 65. The idea that a typical middle class person is going to be able to get “affordable” health insurance over the age of 65 is something that only a heartless morally bankrupt plutocrat like Bowles would have the audacity of cynicism to speak out loud.
He ought to be tried and convicted of breaking faith with the American people and given a life sentence of community service for the old, the sick, and the disabled.
Why does FDL buy into the deficit reduction meme.
It’s a ruse for Wall St. stealing SS.
Call it what it is. Do not use PTB language.
It is MIDDLE CLASS reduction.
yea seems a bit early for that. but if we get intoit again and again we made need more man power than the mil has so who going to cover the gap?
agree. so long as we keep using their terms to frame the debate it keeps the argument within their narrow confines. I know a lot of people have pointed this out to David, but maybe he is so busy writing the story he has no time to think how it should be framed.
why can’t they the people that print new money when ever they want just print enough to cover the debt? Seems easy enough to me. I amagine that all the axtra money (fake or not) would create maybe 15 or 20 million jobs for us people who can’t get a living wage one with benifits. You know like they use to do.
Wonderfully off topic. This has to be the photo of the week.
sounds about right to me
all the dems want is the tiniest fig leaf to cut the “grand bargain” obama salivates for and that will begin unraveling the social safety net which is the foundation of the american middle class and middle classes around the world
the 1% is either oblivious to or contemptuous of the anger of the 99%
Here, here
So here we are, all of us, engaged in a deficit reduction meme when what we really need is a bigger deficit, much bigger. In another time, far, far away there were these people …..
You can’t defend yourselves until you can think for yourselves.Unless cuts are made in a context of growth,then cuts transform more taxpayers into spending liabilities that further reduce the revenue base and hence create even larger budget shortfalls that yield soaring deficits and sovereign debt loads. This isn’t some humble opinion,it is simple deductive reasoning.
And that you figure is bad?
If we attack Iran, they will nuke us at some point. Scott Ritter is sure of that, and so am I. They will get even.
That was a 2007 video. But Johnny Boy would have a plan around this I’m quite sure.
Yeah I believe economic terrorism is bad.When millions of sheep are are led to the slaughter in the name of fiscal austerity,and in reality they are sacrificing their safety net, pensions ,jobs,and homes to create fiscal insanity,that’s real fucking bad.
Hmmm the Biden talks, the Grand Bargain Talks now the Catfood talks all seem to end up with Republicans refusing to agree to any new revenue.
Does anyone else detect a pattern here?
You have to love the Republicans counting increased premiums on Medicare beneficiaries as new taxes, and the only actual tax increases come from changing the COLA :-)
While the Democrats keep giving in and caving it only makes the Republicans stronger.