Well, you knew this was coming. Right-wingers and neocons were going to go ballistic that Barack Obama did not properly rush to defend the honor of Benjamin Netanyahu, a man who has gone out of his way to insult Obama at virtually every opportunity.
The story goes that in front of an open mike at a G-20 summit press conference, French President Nicolas Sarkozy called Netanyahu a liar, and instead of challenging Sarkozy to a duel on the spot, Obama made this reply:
“I cannot bear Netanyahu; he’s a liar,” Sarkozy told Obama in comments overheard by reporters in a separate room who were listening to a simultaneous translation.
“You’re fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,” Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.
So Sarkozy, not Obama, calls Bibi a liar. Obama makes the factual statement that Sarkozy is fed up with him, and that the United States has more day-to-day relations with Israel than France.
This is just beyond the pale. The first Republican to demand an apology on Netanyahu’s behalf was Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY):
“I find President Obama’s criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu highly offensive and call on him to issue a formal apology on behalf of the American people,” Grimm said in a statement Tuesday. “Whether the microphones are on or off, the message to our allies in Israel should always remain the same: ‘We stand with you.’” [...]
“President Obama’s comments are disgraceful and inappropriate coming from someone who holds the highest office in the United States,” Grimm added in the statement. “They provide a poor and inaccurate reflection of the American people he was elected to represent, and they must be rescinded.”
We are not told exactly what was disgraceful or inappropriate about accurately assessing the relationship between Sarkozy and Netanyahu and accurately assessing the level of contact between the US and Israel vis-a-vis France.
The deeper context here is that neoconservatives want to start a war with Iran, and they would be happy to see Israel drop some bombs on them to kick it off. Since international condemnation will be swift, they need one of Israel’s last remaining friends to display unshaking loyalty. Last week, neocons condemned Obama for daring to greet the leader of Turkey, because Turkey happens to have a strained relationship with Israel at the moment (because of the inconvenient fact that Israeli commandos shot and killed Turkish nationals on the Gaza flotilla last year).
The new standard is that Obama’s main goal in foreign relations should be to make sure that he bellows his unshaking belief in Israel at every opportunity, and goes out of his way to dismiss, berate and ignore anyone who does otherwise. It’s a peculiarly unilateral foreign policy conception.




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Completely OT but something you’ve been reporting on; your take David?
Netanyahu earned my contempt when he was all over US media after 9/11 using American grief and emotions to stoke up the biggest lie of this century, the lie that there were WMD in Iraq.
The neocons constantly talk about the need for our allegiance to Israel and rarely, if ever, talk about any true allegiance to THIS country. Bibi is worse than an liar.
Different and even more inflammatory translation here:
http://youtu.be/qIN7ynI6OVM
Check it out. Makes you wonder.
I cannot imagine that Obama would so openly dis’ the Jewish voters in the US who have comprised one of his loyal blocs.
Inflammatory translation? Because it reveals that Obama “has to talk to [Bibi] every day?”
So NOW we know what Barry is doing in the Oval Office! Because he’s certainly not paying any attention to what is happening to the American middle- and lower-class.
Funny how supportive of Israel the GOP is “considering” NOT a lot of Jews vote republican. Least not the ones I know and the polls support that statement. Outside of Eric Cantor, name me a republican Jew.
Dude, you may have hit on it. Maybe they play long distance Mah-jong.
““I find President Obama’s criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu highly offensive and call on him to issue a formal apology on behalf of the American people,” . . .”
Not this American people. Netanyahu is worse than a liar. He’s a violent ideologue.
One of the hallmarks of fellow fascists everywhere: “unshaking loyalty.”
Elenty mention chess.
This was my fave story of yesterday.
What do you expect when the likely presidential candidate of one of the two parties — really it’s one party with two branches where Israel policy is concerned — states that the US should defer to Israel on policy concerning Israel?
Or maybe that we should bomb Iran because it would be more Israel’s liking to have the US do their dirty work.
The way that right wingers, zionist and other, have twisted and control US political dialogue concerning Israel based on projection of Halocaust guilt and reinforced by political bribes and threats to US legislators is another example of so-called US democracy gone off the rails.
Obama sounded pretty diplomatic there to me. Why do we need Israel again?
You apparently don’t see that this isn’t about party. The whole US political system is skewed by the Israeli tail wagging the US political dog, across the spectrum.
Bibi is definitely a liar. But the exchange — as reported by Dday — definitely implies that O is accepting Sarkozy’s contention that Netanyahu is a liar. That’s the way it would be interpreted by any of us — if two of our friends were talking about us.
Once again, I’m not defending Netanyahu — who is a liar.
A foreign nation rules your country.
Scott Horton does a great job of interviewing all his antiwar guests. So I’m a regular there. However, Horton is a Paulbot, which I’ve gotten tired of.
So I started making negative comments about Paul several months ago, now reduced to one-liners, as I’ve gotten tired of more detailed comments.
Paulbots have now found Horton, so if you feel like adding joining the anti-Paul arm wrestling contest, feel free.
I intend to listen to Horton as far as his anti-war interviews go, and then click off the first time he mentions Paul.
Because the Arabs and the Persians have our oil?
Although I am not a fan of President Obama’s policies, I agree with David Dayen’s assessment that “Obama makes the factual statement that Sarkozy is fed up with him, and that the United States has more day-to-day relations with Israel than France.”
This should be a non-issue although it does indicate the delicate and sensitive nature of many of the world “leaders” and the chicken hawk neo-cons. I just hope the American Jewish community and AIPAC in particular is aware of possible “unintended” consequences of demanding support for Israel by Americans regardless of circumstances. At some point, people who once felt compassion towards Jewish people may begin to wonder why they should support outright aggression against others.
If only an American President would tell Israel where to stick it. We can dream, can’t we?
Huh? After 60 years?
Nowadays only the tooth fairey leaves a mike unintentionally hot around the pols.
No it’s not any different, except for the speaker taking liberties by declaring that Obama didn’t openly disagree with him, therefore he must agree with him.
Who cares? The truth hurts. Obama doesn’t even look BB in the eyes anymore and it’s disgusting the way politicians show fealty to another country’s PM while they disrespect ours.
These traitors should be deported to that country.
This is a statement about Sarkozy’s feelings. there is nothing to argue about.
As far as Bibi being a liar, no one can honorably argue against that charge.
america is owned by Israel
How dare Sarkozy say that! And there is only one acceptable reply for any American politician, when the name of Netanyahu comes up:
The patriotism of anyone who deviates one bit from the above line should immediately be questioned, at the very least.
Everyone remember how, during the Bush years, the Republicans demanded that any public criticism of the President like this was undermining his ability to do foreign policy and such?
My, how the wind has switched its direction since then!
Might it not be closer to the other way around? Or, where would Israel be if the US cut off military aid?
Sarkozy says Bibi is a liar, but Sarkozy is a liar as well. And what difference would it make what Obama says? What, today he is not a liar?
I believe you’re being just a tad disingenuous here. Obama was indeed agreeing with Sarkozy’s statement about Netanyahoo. He just stated it in a more diplomatic fashion. Further, he was lamenting in a diplomatic way , of course, that he is sick of kissing Yahoo’s ass for the Jewish vote. Fact is, they’re ALL liars, some just lie more than others. It sickens me that we continue to send Israel billions as if they are some underdog country. Israel has enough nukes to blow the world up several times over. Disgusting.
It’s actually a small but vocal bloc. AIPAC buys a lot of support in Congress.
Fuck Bibi the Butcher. And the neocons.
Statehood for Palestine!!
Absolutely. Any of us would interpret it that way if we were being called a liar by one of our colleagues and another colleague said, I know you’re fed up, but I have to deal with him/her more than you do.
Not saying that O should apologize. Just saying that Dday’s interpretation may be a little too generous.
All I can say is it the the same OLD Fucking BULLSHIT they always do and say… I say “move along now nothing to see here”… But of course the fucking blowhards on the Right will always keep to their MANTRA’s of anything and everything BO does is suspect, wrong, inexperienced or just plain “Stupid and he doesn’t know who to be the Presidendt”… What a bunch of fucking cry babies!!
I’m sure that Obama is very polite when Bibi calls him every morning to give him his instructions for the day.
Way too late for that.
LOLOL
O kisses Bibi on all 4 cheeks.
It’ll only be too late if the Israelis kill all the Palestinians.
Intentional.
When Israel inevitably strikes Iran’s nuke facilities, both Sarkozy and Obama can use this little conversation nugget as a fallback cya.
The amount of garbage we’ll be subjected to over BO’s lack of love for Israel will be the Repubs main focus for claiming BO sucks at foreign policy. I long for the days of ’96 when it was easier to just laugh at the Repubs. Now that was an amusing Repub primary.
Trying that and also trying to get them to leave in disgust, especially the Palestinian 1%ers.
The people I listen to say it won’t work for Israel, but after 60 years, would anyone take that bet?
ImPlausible deniability.Given that Obama, Sarkozy and Netanyahu are all liars…………. it’s hard to get worked up about this story either way.
Until all 3 bomb bomb bomb Iran.
Obama and Netanyahu would definitely be up for Iran.
Little (part-Hungarian) Napoleon………. not so much (see French Public).
The fact that Rethugs have risen from the ashes of Dubya is all the fault of Obama and His pack of New Dems and Blue Dogs. They are Republicans, themselves. Trickle Down, Corrupt, Oil Soaked, Clean Coal, Pro Nuke, Tax Cutting, Privatizing, Warmongering, Welfare Cutting, Job Outsourcing, AIPAC Loving, Arab-hating Liars.
I’m a pro-Israeli Jew, but I’m tickled pink by this episode. Netanyahu is a right-wing jerk and it’s nice to know that (at least in private) Obama has a spine or what passes for one.
Why??? I can’t understand this country’s allegiance to israel.
Makes me wonder if there is not a serious feud developing between Dwarfkozy and Bibsie over the renewed western colonization drive of North and West Africa. France was very prominent in the Libya thing and Israel is involved in South Sudan (and every other place in the world).
This is the first time I’ve ever actually liked Sarkozy.
Thank you for making the distinction between being Jewish, being an Israeli, and being part of a particular Israeli government.
Well, today Berlusconi said he would resign, Papandreas has said he will resign, the leaders of Tunisia and Morocco and Egypt have been gotten out of office, Sarkozy isn’t very popular and may lose his presidency in the next French elections, and Obama is not doing that well either, so it seems as though they all are or were on a sticky wicket. The sooner someone stands up to Obama and says, you want to leave through the door or the window? Netanyahou is in a dreadful position, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. The only way to deal with Iran is to fight fire with fire, we need to ally ourselves IMMEDIATELY with Russia and China having passed the RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT which restores the Glass Steagall standard. Then the monetarist system of the oligarch’s will come tumpbling down because their illegal gambling debts will be deemed as such and given back to the banksters without coverage insurance from the US and EU and any other people who are on the hook, citizens.
The citizens who are suffering from already imposed and to be imposed austerity measures are not responsible for the indebtedness of the banksters and they deserve to be given back their futures as creative beings with access to decent living accomodation, decent and adequate nutrition, decent health care and education, and the cities and townships and rural areas of the sovreign nations on this planet need good water management schemes implemented and decent transportaion options. This can only be achieved once the oligarchical monetarist system and it’s operatives are crushed. Anyone standing in the way of progress in the right direction should be left to bite the dust. We have to reinstate Article 1 section 8 of the US Constitution in which Congress in mandated to utter CREDIT for projects that will benefit mankind and allow them to be all that they were created to be, and that is created in the image of God, as creative beings. We have to be allowed to use our creative ability to come with higher and higher energy flux density sources of power which will enable us to evolve as productive human beings, creating wealth and real value as a result of scientific research and technological development to assist us to increase our tangible productivity per head per square kilometer.
All this petty bickering and harping on and on about this person’s tendancy to harrass females, and for that person’s tendency to want to marry someone of the same sex, and whether or not IN GOD WE TRUST should be okay or not okay. This will not get us going in the right direction.
Worrying about gloves and hats for the OWS crowd is fine and dandy, but why not make a concerted effort to get President Obama out of his office in the WH and on his way to a mental home, where he can get his rocks off by playing video games of killing people with drones and take his entourage with him if necessary, his twelve chefs, his social organizer, his chief of staff especially, take her please, and his lovely wife and two adorable little daughters, let them all go and spend as long as it takes while the USA is gotten back to be a sovreign republic and can operate as the leader of the Free World as we are meant to do.
We don’t need to make money running drugs, we don’t need to raise money to fight perpetual war, and we don’t need to bailout the oligarchs.
We have no time to lose, so please let Michael Grimm and Barack Obama draw swords at dawn, or pistols, whatever they choose, and let us get on without them.
Pea Brains don’t help matters, they just keep us going straight down the tube.
Resist the temptation to get involved in this argument, it isn’t important enough. GLASS STEAGALL NEW BRETTON WOODS ALLIANCE WITH RUSSIA AND CHINA
That’s where it’s at.
“I cannot bear Netanyahu; he’s a liar,” Sarkozy told Obama in comments overheard by reporters in a separate room who were listening to a simultaneous translation.
“You’re fed up with him, but I have to deal with him even more often than you,” Obama replied, according to the French interpreter.
Dayam, the Truth is truly brutal, eh…? *gah*
‘manifest destiny’?
peas!
Agree. So many commenters here do not make this distinction. As is, unfortunately, typical of FDL, this is an appallingly anti-Israel thread.
“Patrick: Liar liar, plants for hire!”
“SpongeBob: It’s “pants on fire,” Patrick.”
“Patrick: Well, you would know…liar!”
Rep Michael Grimm (R-NY) meet SpongeBob SquarePants.
Would you consider writing for an animated Children’s Show?
It is about time that OBAMA grow some balls. The right thing for him to do is issue a joint statement with Sarkozy that calling Nathanyahu a liar was an error. What they really meant to say was that this “shyster Nathanyahu is a Mother F****** LIAR.”
I wonder how Rep. Michael Grimm (R-NY) thinks he speaks for Americans. Most Americans couldn’t tell where this shitpit called Israel is located if it were not for billions of dollars of our money given to them while Americans are suffering economically in masses. Obama is corrupt and despicable and has hardly done anything right (except this incident) but this time I will support Obama just for proving that he has balls. So, Rep Michael Grimm (R-NY), fuck you and your kinds of American traitors, AKA neocons – Israel Firsters. If Israel means so much to you, permanently relinquish your U.S citizenship and go bury yourself in Israel.
If Israel gets in a war with Iran, “some” Israeli bombs will eventually be nuclear-tipped because Iran has the capacity to cause significant casualties within Israel. Israelis won’t stand for that and will demand use of some of their nukes to severely punish Iran. From that point on further results will be unpredictable.
That and the Straits of Hormuz, the choke point where 50% of the world’s oil passes thru, will be jammed with deliberately sunken ships, barges, and other debris after the first missile strikes Iran. No wonder Meir Dagan, recently retired Mossad Chief, called Israeli war on Iran the stupidest thing he’d ever heard.
Bennie is a lunatic and if he is not removed from power in Israel, he will start WWIII beginning with Iran.
They are all sociopathic narcissists.
I’m having a hard time believing that it wasn’t intentional. It certainly does seem like things are being ratcheted up with Iran and it gives Obama a chance to lead from behind on Iran via Israel until Obama finds it convenient to claim he led from the front.
So Republicans don’t want an apologist in the White House unless it’s Obama and they can gain politically by asking him to apologize. Got it.
I can only speak for myself and say that I am very aware of the difference between being of the Jewish faith in America, being a citizen of Israel, and the Israeli government. However, as we have seen from the behavior of many Americans towards American Muslims, sometimes, unfortunately that distinction is not obvious to everyone. Which is why I stated there could be “unintended” consequences to absolute support of Israel.
The aftermath of the Nuremburg Trials brought about an “international law to meet the greatest menace of our times: aggressive war.” Our U.S. government leaders apparently no longer feel the need to abide by this international law. It appears the “leaders” in Israel also do not have a problem with “aggressive wars” (see the latest info on Iran and Israel). As a result, some people are against Israel on this subject and specifically do not agree with Prime Minister Netanyahu. So, when caleb36 then says this is an anti-Israel thread, I have to ask this question…are we not allowed to disagree with war policies being made in Israel? Perhaps, as eCAHNomics pointed out, “we the people” should have questioned our relationship with Israel and their policies decades ago.
I can understand why Obama would say that and why he would be attacked for the truth spoken. The zionist khazars like nettyyahoo have no shame, they are a blight on mankind, their butchery and war crimes are horrendous.
in this country we have abe foxman riding herd on any even breathing wrong in relation to israel.
anti zionist tendencies have nothing to do with jews at large unless they are zionists, but how is it that the minute you say anything at all you are attacked.
So I will.
Funny? where is the abe foxman for butchered Ukraine citizens? The Holomodor in Ukraine killed 7 million in one year starved to death by the zionist bolshevik communists of Russia. Where is the abe foxman for the twenty million white Russians killed by these same zionists
These people (zionists) are a blight on this earth.
call me an anti semite and you would be mistaken
I am speaking against all butchery….
East Timor..the usa should be proud
Rwanda
the Irish murdered by starvation in the 19th century at the hands of the bloody brits
the innocents of Fallujah, Iraq, Sirte, Libya
Argentina
Nicaragua and on and on
then I cry
how can one talk about iran like that, like there are no human beings there. Like it is something to be done never considering the humanity it will destroy..how can one do that.
Not to mention the horrific consequences of such an action…talk about stupidity and evil, bombing Iran would be that.
mr. grimm this is America..just a quick heads up to one who’s head is up someones ass.
Glad to be of service!
Bullshit. I’ll agree that the left tends to be harder on Israel in general (not just on Netanyahu and right-wing Israeli theocrats) than I’d like, but this has been an anti-Netanyahu thread, not an anti-Israel thread.
Having read your post, I can only say, “No, I wouldn’t.”
Amen
If one delves into this in any depth the depravity of the zionists is beyond appalling.
You above who play the race card are tiresome in the face of the truth of the matter.
Israels war crimes are unforgivable just as all others are..that playing field is full of the dregs of humanity of many stripes.
I’ll supply documentation for anything I have said by the way-what I said in comments is just a very small part of the facts of the matter.
I am sure what I say is not exactly popular but I am tired of the proverbial anti semite appellation. I know too much for that to have any influence on my thinking.
I think the entire issue is tough for progressives because if you’re left-leaning, you’re just more skeptical of using the military to gain political advantage. Israel might be vulnerable vis a vis the entire Middle East, but its clearly able to use its armed forces to have its way with the relatively weak Palestinian people.
It’s just easier for the right-wing to give Israel a pass, because the neocons love war profiteering, the Establishment loves having a client state in the region, and the Christians hate Muslims and want the Jews to stay in Israel so that they can all be converted in the ruins of Armageddon. Actually, now that I think about having to merge those three different perspectives, it’s no wonder Republican foreign policy is basically insane.
“The deeper context here is that neoconservatives want to start a war with Iran, and they would be happy to see Israel drop some bombs on them to kick it off.”
Akiva Eldar, columnist for Haaretz calls BS on supposedly moral motives:
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/obama-must-stop-netanyahu-barak-from-attacking-iran-1.394116
This war they want is the beginning of something they will be destroyed by. The moral just way of humanity is no longer, if it ever was, followed. Evil, I cannot think of a better description, is now given free reign of expression, if only to destroy itself in the end. We will all suffer, no one will escape this madness. Our salvation is our humanity, if we lose that we lose all.
So the neo c’s by way of the zionists have insured their own demise. And we are in the middle of it all.
I apologize for being so vocal about this..I have skin in the game..my children, more innocents who must suffer the madness of men and my fellow seamaen on the USS Liberty. I was not on that ship but I served my country in the USN. I can forgive but I cannot forget.
Do the neocons assume the establishment will give them unwavering support from the anti-semetic mobs after the bombings close the straits,cause a $10+ per gallon hike ,and collapse a global economy that’s ready to blow anyways ? I wouldn’t trust the self-serving capriciousness of any government,and in America,hate isn’t a zero sum game There is no either-or conflict when it comes to loathing Jews and Muslims.
Jim Rogers is on Worldwide Exchange for 2 hr.s
If this were just an anti-Netanyahu thread, I wouldn’t have made this comment (I don’t like him either). The problem is that this, like most comparable threads on FDL and other left-wing sites, contain comments that are NOT just anti-Netanyahu, they cross the distinction between anti-Netanyahu and anti-Israel in general. (Not all comments, by any means, but many). There is a real negative consequence of this in terms of progressive strength, as many liberal-leaning Jews and others with sympathies for Israel for a state (not its particular policies at the moment) are turned off by progressive politics.
Yes, but Jewish voters BUY Republicans, and that says it all.
It puzzles me that we keep getting told that Israel is our strongest allie in the middle east, when the only action I can recall is the brutal attack on the USS Liberty, and the white wash of it by LBJ’s administration. Maybe I haven’t been paying attention, but what exactly has Israel done for the US except take billions of our dollars to oppress the Palestinians?
Wise up, scumbags:
Just keep this garbage up and you’ll see 1980 replayed.
Betcha Obama is about 100 times more worried about what Bibi thinks than he is about the punchable hippies out in the streets fighting for all of us.
Fuck Netanyahu and, frankly, fuck Israel. I am tired of that shitass country dictating our foregn policy. Time for them to start some Occupy movements on their neo-con government.
Yeah, life sucks, doesn’t it. Go join the IDF.
HeyCable36The Jews turned off by progressive critique of Israel ,haven’t given a dime to DemocracyNow,etc. for decades.Are you positing we should kiss Israel’s ass so we can attract more Jewish people? I think you are confusing us with the Dems.Progs are doing just fine with our principles in tact ,and we love our Jewish leaders,e.g.,Noam, Amy,Naomi and Avi,Krugman,and many others.
Scumbags? Does the truth hurt. It is okay to commit murder of all those people I listed in the above comment? Get honest my friend. Look at what has been done. Your constant reminder of your plight is telling in the face of all other equally horrific acts, some of which were perpetrated by zionists.
bullshit