I’ve heard legal theories that the city of New York has the right to impose restrictions on the time, place and manner of the exercise of free speech. This will obviously play out in a court of law. I don’t know how anyone can reasonably look at the laws and say that the wholesale shutdown of the press, not only from the ground but from the air, is in any way a legal exercise.
As New York City police cleared the Occupy Wall Street campsite in Zuccotti Park early Tuesday morning, many journalists were blocked from observing and interviewing protesters. Some called it a “media blackout” and said in interviews that they believed that the police efforts were a deliberate attempt to tamp down coverage of the operation [...]
At a news conference after the park was cleared Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg defended the police behavior, saying that the media was kept away “to prevent a situation from getting worse and to protect members of the press.”
Some members of the media said they were shoved by the police. As the police approached the park they did not distinguish between protesters and members of the press, said Lindsey Christ, a reporter for NY1, a local cable news channel. “Those 20 minutes were some of the scariest of my life,” she said.
Ms. Christ said that police officers took a New York Post reporter standing near her and “threw him in a choke-hold.”
I’ll go one better than shoves and choke holds. Josh Harkinson of Mother Jones was forcibly dragged out of the ecampment, after sneaking in to witness the proceedings. He was one of the lucky few journalists to witness the batons and pepper spray that characterized the eviction of Zuccotti Park.
Other journalists were arrested in the exercise of doing their job. And by the way, there was violence coming from the police:
The Local’s reporter, who repeatedly identified himself to the police as a journalist while on the scene, complied with the order and walked north while filming protesters, however (as seen at the 2:11 mark in the video) his progress was stopped by a group of officers blocking the sidewalk at the intersection of Broadway and John Street. One of the officers arrested him using plastic Flexi-Cuffs, even as he continued to identify himself as a journalist and called attention to press credentials hanging from his neck. (The press card had been issued for an unrelated assignment by the Media Accreditation and Liaison Unit of the United Nations in September).
The Local’s reporter was put onboard a police van with eight other arrestees, including two New School undergraduates, a photographer with Agance France Presse, and city councilman Ydanis Rodriguez, all handcuffed behind their backs. Mr. Rodriguez had blood on his temple from what he said was an earlier confrontation with the police. He recalled previous demonstrations, including the occupation of a City College administration building in the early 1990s.
At least five journalists were arrested. Another, Rosie Gray for the Village Voice, when telling a cop that she was a journalist, was told, “Not tonight.”
When you hear about police state crackdowns in the developing world, you typically hear that they go to knock out the communications first, so that nobody can bear witness to the ensuing repression. Michael Bloomberg learned this lesson well.




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We have become a Militarized Police State beholden only to the 1%. And They don’t like all the complaining that the 99% are doing because they know that the 99% is telling and fighting for the TRUTH… And if we keep going things will get much worse for them as it should they are mainly felons of the public wealth!!
Looks like and smells like Fascism to me! Government bought and controlled by Corporations!! Mussolini ya think!!!
Benito Bloomberg!
Kevin Gosztola (FDL Dissenter) is livestreaming in Boston in front of the Capital Steps. OccupyBoston are marching through the streets in solidarity with OWS.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fdl-live
OccupyBoston has now left the State House steps and is heading down Beacon Street towards the financial district and/or Faneuil Hall
Were any of the protesters able to film any of this? Bloomberg may be breaking his arm by patting himself on the back about his “right” to lock down the press and have the police abuse peaceful protesters, but I agree that he did the OWS there in NY and everywhere the biggest possible favor with his actions. What a freaking moron!!!!
6:13pm EST : FDL livestream of OccupyBoston is off the air temporarily.
Kevin said he’ll take a break to obtain some photos and then be back on the air in about 5 minutes.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fdl-live
6:15pm Kevin Gosztola is back livestreaming OccupyBoston street march and commenting for us.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fdl-live
A list of Mayors, political affiliation, and link to their websites, compiled and posted by KrisAinTX on FDL Dissenter today
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/11/15/live-blog-for-occupy-movement-day-59-occupy-wall-street-camp-is-gone/#comment-28270
does anyone have a link to stallman’s decision today? I want to read what case law he based it on thanks
I’m not surprised by the efforts to restrain the press.
What I am interested in is the fact that the press is covering it at all. My only guess is, the PTB don’t really think OWS is a big deal in its current form. If they were legitimately afraid of this, they’d instruct the media to just ignore it.
I didn;t think our country would ever get to this level again after the peace demonstrations in the sixties.
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Guess I was wrong. Where is Obama????? When the “civil rights” protests were ongoing, JFK and Bobby stepped in to protect the rights of “the people” against the “out of control” local and state police. I’m not goanna use the “f” word. Not today.
Here ya go.
Stallman’s decision
MY 2 cents……this IS getting TOO big to ignore. Besides, you know what they say in TV news, “If it bleeds it leads.”
Leading from the rear.
You may be right.
Personally, I think we’re going to eventually see the day when we have Kent State in downtown NYC or DC. And the big question will be: then what happens?
Well, they’ve taken to describing OWS as “unsanitary”. They must have focused grouped the word. It probably has the desired impact on suburban soccer moms and it has age old resonance with stereotypes of the poor and the sick.
The 1% ALWAYS believe the 99% are “unsanitary”. Unclean. Lepers. Not much change from the days of serfdom.
You guys will whine about anything won’t you.
0 is with the OWS people as strongly as he was with the WI people. I am so happy to have a pres who stands for the people and not for big monied interests.
Dear protestors
We are sworn to uphold the constitution and you right to protest. please not that the courts have now ruled you can protest on Feb 29.
Yours
TPB owners of the state, the police force and YOU
Remember the 10 years of wholsale investment in nineeleven ultra-hysteria? well heres some of the payout. its not about Muslims and its sure as hell not about terrorism.Unless were talking about the kind of terrorism being deployed by the state.
So there’s this WWI joke. German general aide-de-camp is helping him don his clothes, and he is putting on red pants. Italian general asks why German general wants to be so visible on the battlefield. German general: So that if I get a wound, my men won’t see the blood. Italian general says to his aide-de-camp: Get me my brown pants.
same as happened at Kent state…….lies coverup etc,,,,,,,,,by the time the truth comes out the PTB will have long won
But how long can he hang upside down?
I think that everyone should give backeast all of the attention that s/he deserves. I am starting right now.
thanks. 4 pages is he kidding. what an ass
LOL
yeah letting New York City, the feds abd Bloomberg arbitrarily nullify your rights.waaaaaaaaa. millions of people died to give you those rights but hey! stop being such a crytit.Bloomberg is ignoring a court order oh booo hooo hooo.
Thanks for the update and keep ‘em coming. Expect more of the same as time goes by. We’ve already seen that there has been a coordinated and concerted effort amongst city mayors to inflict similar police-state actions in other cities, which have also been ongoing almost from Day One of the various Occupy protests.
The PTB clearly want these protests to be shut down before citizens get more in touch with how badly we, the people, are being ripped off, taken advantage of, abused, etc.
Barbara Bush agress with you.
“I think that everyone should give backeast all of the attention that s/he
deservesneeds, craves, demands, is kept up at night by the desire for, lacked as a child, etc.,etc., “…..heh… even THAT is giving Barry Zero too much “credit.” I don’t think 0 knows how to “lead” anything. 0 just follows the orders of his 1% Masters who have enriched him beyond his wildest imaginings.
I think the Kochs should pay higher rates to their troll-slaves. We *deserve* better – or a least more interesting – comments here. Boringly tedious ignorance on display is worthy only of being ignored.
Spot on, my friend. It’s also why Halliburton has been busy in Wyoming.
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/1607403/posts
Cynthia Kouril listed a number of points on which it looks like Stallman will be savaged on appeal.
#1 Inappropriate application of Snyder v Phelps. (If I understand correctly.)
#2 Speech is not limited to words. (Thank you Citizen’s United?)
#3 Brookfield rules were implemented SPECIFICALLY to stifle protected First Amendment activity in a public space.
Now, that ASSUMES that our judiciary is not fully captive. I haven’t made my final decision on that yet, but this case will definitely push me to one side or the other.
yawwwwwwwn. Nobody is keeping these guys from scoring smack in the park during the day. Just can’t squat there overnight. Get over it.
Yeah, little things like civil rights.
Everyone’s just trying to do their part to help Poppy’s bottom line.
Here’s the link you asked for:
http://www.nycourts.gov/press/OWS111511.pdf
What kind of poppy?
who sits on the appeals court? what is their background? how did they get there? The justice system is co=opted, to what extent? even if ows won on the appeals court blommie would appeal and would he be granted an injunction while his appeal is being heard.
In the UK evidence that would release the guilford 4 ( accused of being IRA terrorist0 was presented to the court of appeals. the court voted to supress evidence on grounds it would undermine the legal system and british public faith in it. those in jail went onto to serve more time, I can’t remember how much, before eventually they forced the case open.
I think the legal system is nothing more than veneer used by TPB to pretend we have a fair and just society
Barbara’s snuggle-bunny.
Can’t protest on public property except behind the fence, barricade, police line, etc. Can’t protest on private property even with the permission of the owner if you are unshaven, uncombed, unclean, unkempt, uncooperative, unquiet, uninvited, undemocratic, underfed, underprivileged, uneducated, uncovered, unprotected, unmasked, unlawful, unknown, or unafraid. What ever happened to free speech? What ever happened to the Democrats who give lip service to inequality, joblessness, homeless, college debt, endless war, dirty energy, corporate tax breaks, and astronomic health care costs? What politician has stood with OWS protestors?
This is evidence the 99% are winning. The white shirts are few in number and will convert to 99%ers as the funds go dry in GS and Morgan Stanley. The second wave of bailouts will start soon, within one month, and “dire” ain’t gonna cut this time Barney and Tim.
Too bad Chelsea Clinton wasn’t on the job yet to cover this.
(barf, btw, on all legacy ‘journalists’:
McCain, Bush, Brezinski, the young Russert –
the mainstream press isn’t even trying to maintain
the pretense of ‘journalism’.)
ewwww. TMI.
Exactly and well unsaid. I think OWS has a city councilman and a borough official and an aide from Oakland so far. We really have no representation.
I wouldn’t be surprised that “unsanitary” was focus-grouped or the advice of PR agents. In a culture where we can’t wash the germs off of us fast enough and where our fear-based use of hand sanitizers results in actually breeding stronger germs, “unsanitary” has got to push an emotional button.
The first job of any state is domestic control. The GWOT was always about us.
The silencing of the press is by far the most chilling aspect of today’s police state action.
That it happened in NYC – the world capital of the media and free speech -
makes me feel like we’ve gone through the looking glass.
And not in a good way.
Agree with you 1000% on that. I don’t wash my hands often except on 2 occasions, the other of which is food prep. Ditto my kid. Neither of us got sick almost at all. In the age of sanitary everything, there seems to be a lot more sickness.
You couldn’t have a more controlled press than Egypt and look what happened. I would worry when they silence the Internet but silencing the MSM is a good thing in actuality.
Interesting point.
Here’s the “deal”. When wee trolls who add nothing to the conversation arrive, there are two things which may reasonably be done. One, simply ignore them. Or, two, click on their clever “handle” which will take you to their “profile” location, click “profile” and a wee little flag will appear on the right side … if enough commenters flag a disruptive and disrespectful “element”, then they will disappear.
Now some may say, “But that is censorship!”
No, it is not. It is the right, and, at times, the responsibility of a deliberative body, which FDL may reasonably be considered to be, to expell those who disrupt, disparage, or behave in such fashion as to be intentionally destructive to reasoned and considered discourse.
On the other foot, such pests may be “engaged” which will simply permit them to hijack cogent conversation and belittle salient truth and profound or (even mundane) possibility for as long as their wee hearts and feeble minds so desire …
I realize there are those who may argue that failing to respond to such “visitors” gives observers the “impression” that the “positions” and “arguments” of the pests are beyond thoughtful refute and, therefore, superior and and above reasoned reproach.
Each of us must decide, each for herself or himself, which “method” best suits the needs of our community, both FDL and the larger civil society, as well as our individual selves.
DW
UC Berkeley police shot a man at the Haas Business School. Not much info yet. I linked to it in David’s last article’s comments.
We need to learn the lesson we failed to learn when Mayor Daley’s cops were clubbing protestors outside the Democratic Convention. The Democratic Party isn’t the solution. It’s the problem. It forecloses the opportunity for an authentic choice on your ballot.
Occupy 3rd Party in 2012. You may not get another chance.
Obama’s in Hawaii–or did he fly on to points farther east already?
Thanks. Didn’t know that.
No fan of the msm here – but Bloomberg’s ham-handed tactics almost made me root for those news helicopters the police turned away.
Flying him off the edge of the flat earth would be a good thing.
One of the great ironies in our fear-addled culture. Hand sanitizers kill no where near 99.9% of germs, the FDA advises that they not be used as a replacement for soap and water (which does a better job of keeping you clean), and the research suggests that they contribute to the evolution of tougher strains of germs. Just like the GWOT, in our desire to be safe we have made ourselves less so.
They’re revving that up, too, including with drug-resistant tuberculosis and other stuff. Just go read this strange thing.
Hoo boy, you’re asking the wrong fellow those questions. I cribbed those items from Cynthia’s comments in an earlier post. I’m no lawyer, so any of my comments on it are from the peanut gallery as it were.
I tend to agree with you that our legal system appears little more than gilded refuse, but I’m not entirely there yet. I’m currently considering whether my feelings on this matter are colored by my concerns over the implications.
We already know that voting can no longer be relied upon, thanks to the voting machines with no paper records. The executive and legislative branches of government seem to be in a race to see who can sell the country off to the corporations faster and just how quickly they can implement fascist policies. Once it becomes irrefutably proven that the judiciary will no longer serve as a check upon the other two branches, what’s left?
Like overprescription of antibiotics. I have almost never taken an antibiotic in my life, and I think my son may have had one ear infection in infancy, when I gave them to him.
He left for Australia this morning. I believe he was heading to the airport during rush hour. So I imagine that everyone on Oahu was cursing him this morning.
Hahahahaha. Don’t think there’s any net out there, either.
So we are escalating from ignore to ban? I’m all in as soon as soon as I get home from my trip backeast.
Out to lunch or hiding under the oval office desk until Boehner and Cantor give him permission to come out of there.
Or he’s voting “present”.
No leadership whatsoever on Obama’s part, unless he’s coordinating these “sweeps” with his DHS secretary. Mayor Quan of Oakland let it slip that she had been on the phone with several mayors a few days ago before all the crackdowns started.
Options.
I hear he submitted to a friendly TSA patdown. said it made him feel secure and excited
“Fascism is capitalism plus murder.”
-Upton Sinclair
Like Sen. Claire McCaskill and her TSA “love taps”.
I merely note an “option”, BSbafflesbrains, neither a suggestion nor a necessity.
I do suggest, however, that every legitimate deliberative body should have, and even the houses of Congress have had, from the beginning, specifically delineated, the means, the method, and the right to require a minimum “standard” of conduct from those who participate.
It might not be wise to follow the example that Congress provides, especially of late, but it might be that were Congress more honest and willing to insist upon certain principles of honorable discourse and proper behavior that the nation might not be in the “fix” that it is.
YMMV …
DW
The diff bet capitalism and communism is that in capitalism, the corps own the govt, whereas in communism the govt owns the corps.
I was one of the demonstrators, 3000 in number, arrayed against 12,000 Chicago Police and 12,000 National Guard troops in Grant Park in August of 1968. We intended to march peacefully to the site of the Democratic National Convention, which was taking place at the time. Mayor Daley, father of William Daley, Obama’s chosen Chief of Staff today, railroaded an ordinance through the Chicago City Council which required a permit to have a peace march and, of course, Daley refused to issue a permit. But we peaceniks argued that the 1st Amendment trumped a Chicago city ordinance and tried to march anyway. The Chicago Police first smashed all the TV network cameras and beat all the network reporters and workers to a pulp. Then a fairly large contingent of a few hundred pigs waded into the crowd and beat anyone with a camera or notebook to a pulp and smashed all the cameras. That was easier to do then because there were few cameras and mobile phones.
Then someone blew a police whistle, tear gas canisters filled the air and riot equipped thuggish pigs in the thousands attacked in force and beat the hell out of everyone they could get their hands on.
Attacking the press first is not a new tactic. What is new is the plethora of cameras so that no matter how hard they try, the video gets out now of the brutality.
Because of the blinding and silencing of the media that day in Chicago in 1968, to this day, unless you were there, people have no idea of the brutality and murderous thuggery of the Chicago police against unarmed peaceful protesters that day who were just trying to exercise our Constitutional rights to protest the criminal, mass murdering war against the people of Viet Nam.
Thanks for the eyewitness testimony.
I keep pointing out that OWS ain’t seen nothing yet. The PTB will be a lot more thuggish in their protection of their privileges than they have already been. In income distribution terms, they have a LOT more to protect than they had in 1968.
The big diff is that living in a bubble makes you stupid, so the PTB can’t seem to figure out what to do yet. But they will.
so in communism the owners of the corps sit in govt and in fascism the owners of the govt sit in corps, end result the same for the people
nothing new under the sun. I hope ows is reading history once they get their books back of course
That is a very fair and balanced desciption, mswinkle.
It also happens to be true.
DW
OWS could have gotten away with staying there indefinitely if they’d just figured out a way to control their feces. They gave the PTB a gold-plated excuse to evict them. They won’t win this PR battle.
Boston had a couple of minor police riots, back in the day, heavyrunner, however, those daring human beings in Chicago experienced the full brunt of police insanity …
I hope that you might expand on your comment in a diary, here, at FDL, as it would have the focused attention of many, I assure you.
Thank you for your continuing courage and conviction.
Many human beings do not realize that the intersection of courage and conscience requires putting one’s own skin … right on the line, and a sobering reminder of that truth would be very useful to general understanding, today … and tomorrow.
DW
And they couldn’t have a more fitting spokesperson than billionaire Bloomberg himself could they?
This whole thing is sickening. I hope the occupy people come back even stronger now.
Gold plated feces?
“OWS could have gotten away with . . .”? This has very little to do with logic, rationale or law. It has much to do with will.
Exactly my point. To clarify the language, there are no corps in communism; it’s called central planning. But little diff in reality, bc in both cases, the means of production and the govt are one & the same.
It’s not the form the economy takes (I favor a mixed economy like they used to have in western Europe before the radical rights took over), or the political system takes, that’s the problem. It’s somehow making sure that a small group of people don’t grasp the dual reigns of power & money.
Stop whining about us criticizing crony-corporate crypto-fascism.
That would be a WWII joke. The Italians weren’t allies of Germany in WWI.
All of us are probably sitting in a comfortable and warm house or apartment, typing out our dismay at what happened at OWS/NY and other Occupy movements across the country. This isn’t going to accomplish anything. There are ways to bring a government down, especially in this hi-tech era. We have a president and congress who have been bought and paid for and they need to GO. There are so many smart people in the OWS movement, I hope they figure it out. They don’t have to occupy physical places, all they have to do is occupy their computers.
Yes, I was trying to figure that one out; wasn’t sure which. But I was eating dinner at the time, so didn’t do a quick search to get it right. Thanks for clarification.
Have you seen Medium Cool? Haskell Wexler was there, in the park, and filmed the brutality.
It was released in early 1969 with an X rating (language, brief nudity). So of course no one saw it.
one riot clip from Medium Cool
It seems that unless you have a four or five on one as in Rodney King, police violence is never portrayed or remembered as police violence. I think the public recalls the Chicago convention as having been a riot by a bunch of dirty hippies lead by Jerry Rubin, et al. The police were only “reacting” to the riot. The police know this so there’s no downside heavy handed tactics against peaceful demonstrators if you get your kicks from bludgeoning weaker, unarmed people.
The only way this changes is when the 1%’s house of cards comes down on everybody’s head and the cops don’t get paid anymore.
Everything is on schedule, please move along.
Yep, it will be a big Spring and the elite and it’s trolls will be doing everything to shut it down
You’re seemingly mistaken about what was and likely still is remembered about Chicago 1968.
The minimum standard required should be good faith, not merely lack of stupidity. At a certain point, it becomes obvious that particular participants are not acting in good faith.
Anyone interested in wrestling with the First Amendment issues presented by mass protests and demonstrations might start with reading Cox v Louisiana, 379 US 536; 85 S Ct 453 (1965).
Excellent point. Only certains kinds of “persons” emit feces. http://my.firedoglake.com/realitychecker/2011/08/20/fleshies/
That works for me, rc. “Good faith” is a reasonable minimum and universal standard.
To participate with good faith, is a clear and deliberate choice, whereas stupidity might, very well, not be a matter of choice. Ignorance may, with effort and understanding, be remedied, but stupidity might not be …
Much appreciated.
DW
Naomi Wolfe said in 2007 when they come for journalists fascism will have come to America.
Thanks, heavyrunner. I remember when it happened. I had not known that it was as bad as you report.
Thank you so much for that tip. I never knew there was a way to flag the creeps, but now I do and all such shall be henceforth flagged.
Seconded!
I’ve had it on my must see list for a while as I was interested in the ways Marshall McLuhan’s theories of media are explored in the film. Looks like the whole thing is on youtube, in parts. Here’s the original trailer, thanks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mqG8I2xR0
You’re really rather mistaken about what people remember about the Chicago police riots at the convention in 68.
Most everyone who was here then knows who went overboard. Just as we know who went overboard at Kent State – even without the CSN song.
Everyone emits them; some contain them so as to prevent outbreaks of intestinal viruses (already reported) and finally cholera (never far away, when people poop on the ground). This is Civilization 101: waste control. They flunked.
I’m not saying that it was or is a correct perception. But I think the public perception of police versus protester confrontations is that any violence will be presumptively blamed on the protesters. I might be mistaken about the public perception of the Chicago police violence (which I agree was police violence) but you’ll have to show me that it was otherwise. The public reaction to the events in Chicago were seen by the public as a meltdown for which the left was held responsible. Nixon’s victory in the Fall and his overwhelming victory over McGovern, the candidate of peace” was the culmination of the overall public impression that the left was agitating for the Communists.
OWS has been very seriously trying to defuse and avoid these confrontations and any violence knowing this perception would harm the cause. The police know this I think and are not afraid of provoking angry reactions by the protesters.
Get some corps to Occupy, then, and you won’t have any problem lol.