The fallout from the worst idea for an exclusive interview while under indictment ever continues. It turns out that just what Jerry Sandusky admitted to Bob Costas on national television on Monday night, all of which is admissible as evidence in his trial, is enough to put him in jail for up to five years:
But under Pennsylvania’s child protection laws, what Sandusky admitted to in an interview with NBC’s Bob Costas could fit the definition of indecent exposure. If children under 16 were involved, it could be a first-degree misdemeanor with a maximum punishment of five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.
Indecent exposure fits under the definition of a child sex crime, according to Pennsylvania state law.
Title 18, Chapter 31 of the Pennsylvania state code defines indecent exposure as when a person exposes his or her genitals “in any place where there are present other persons under circumstances in which he or she knows or should know that this conduct is likely to offend, affront or alarm.”
The law considers that exposure to be a second-degree misdemeanor. But the law also says: “If the person knows or should have known that any of the persons present are less than 16 years of age,” it’s a first-degree misdemeanor.
The real tell in the interview is when Costas asked Sandusky if he was sexually attracted to children, and Sandusky hesitated, mumbled something about liking the enthusiasm of children, and about 30 seconds later, said “no.” That’s one of those questions you should be able to answer with a good degree of alacrity.
Meanwhile, the evidence of a large coverup is mounting. Mike McQueary, the former quarterback and graduate assistant who witnessed the child rape in the Penn State locker room in 2002, not only insists that he ensured the rape stopped before leaving the locker room, but that he went to the police:
In a Nov. 8 email from his Penn State account, Mike McQueary wrote that he “did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police” following the alleged incident between Sandusky, a former Penn State assistant football coach, and a boy.
McQueary, now an assistant coach on administrative leave, also wrote that he “is getting hammered for handling this the right way or what I thought at the time was right.”
The full email contents are in this story in the Allentown Morning Call. I think we knew that university police were informed, but this is the first time I recall that law enforcement was said to be involved in the 2002 incident. Sandusky had already been investigated in 1998 over sex abuse charges, but they were dropped. So if the 2002 allegations went nowhere, you can assume another layer of cover-up.
This looks pretty bad too:
Joe Paterno transferred full ownership of his house to his wife, Sue, for $1 in July, less than four months before a sexual abuse scandal engulfed his Penn State football program and the university.
Documents filed in Centre County, Pa., show that on July 21, Paterno’s house near campus was turned over to “Suzanne P. Paterno, trustee” for a dollar plus “love and affection.” The couple had previously held joint ownership of the house, which they bought in 1969 for $58,000.
This certainly looks like someone trying to minimize their financial exposure in the event of civil charges. Paterno’s lawyer says it was just part of routine estate planning. But one law professor couldn’t discern any tax advantage, and saw it more like the shielding of assets in case of personal liability.
Federal law enforcement officials are now getting involved in the case. This is only going to get worse.



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Sandusky’s Second Mile outfit held a fundraiser for the judge who freed Sandusky on $100,000 unsecured bail.
I read the article and still do not understand if he was in contact with police or campus police. There is no university official in charge of police, which makes me wonder if every reference to police refers to campus police.
I wondered how in the hell Sandusky’s lawyer ( does he have one?) let him do that interview?
It’s beginning to seem the entire Pennsylvania government and the kids charity or whatever it is was involved in covering up for Sankdusky. Even the Judge who gave him a total pass and let him loose is connected to the this “at risk” children’s place. They sure ARE at risk with this MF around.
Paterno’s ( what a name!) asset covering is very suspicious as well. He must have done it as the investigation was getting going. This old MF knew exactly what was going on.
What a bunch of horrid people.
a comment on HuffPo which makes alot of sense:
Malpractice by attorney at a minimum.
Unbelievable!
Sad to say, but this is all bad enough – and the evidence seems overwhelming enough – that I am expecting some of these individuals will not even get to trial. They’ll jump off a bridge somewhere just to get it over with.
or be pushed depending on what they know
It’s just a bit unfortunate that the looting of billions from TARP generate none of the same outrage.
Just wondering, doesn’t Penn State with all their top tier facilities to attach the best athletic talent for their programs have separate showers for their coaches?
Some of these coaches have multi-million dollar contracts. Do they have to shower with everyone else after the Gatoraide is poured on them? If separate showers are the case, why was this guy even in the athletes showers???
According to above quoted law, he broke the law by even being nude around a child of that age. I hope he gets 50 years in prison.
Coaches typically have no business in the locker room at any tier of athletics.
At most major universities, “campus” police ARE police officers, trained and sworn, usually part of the police department in the city where the university is located. They are not in any sense “rent-a-cops.” So if McQueary went to campus police he reported to regular police officers. At PSU, if I read correctly, the campus police department falls under the purview (administratively) of the VP for Finance & Business, a common arrangement at the universities I’ve worked at.
actually did, people were furious but congress ignored them because you know, they knew better
OT but down the rabbit hole we sink
zerohedge
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Who needs to go to school anyway: all we need to know we learn from The Situation and Pauly-D. But yes, M-Dub is off by a month or two on the upcoming tsunami default wave: pesudo-
What about the JOCKS? Who will look out for the JOCKS? They’ve lost JoePa.
Yep. It’s a safe bet that everyone who could be involved in a cover-up, was involved. From the campus police to the state police, to PA public officials, all the way up to the Governor. And I find it easy to believe other coaches at other schools had an idea about what was going on with Sandusky. These people talk amongst themselves.
I reacted to someone’s facebook post last week: she said it was sad that the football team and the PS students had to go through this ordeal. Sad? The PS football program should be ended. She said it was not fair to punish the innocent, and that football is the life blood of the school and that community. That comment, I said, is exactly the problem. When students are rioting, essentially, in support of child rapists and their enablers, then football is the problem. College football has a nice little protection racket going, and the idol worshippers are complicit in the cover up, because they permitted and encouraged this cult of football heroes to flourish and make their own rules.
Sandusky, ya’ know that lawyer you’ve got? Worth every penny!
I’d take everything said by all involved with a grain of salt. McQueary right after he supposedly reported Sandusky went to the police, McQueary played in the Easter Bowl flag football game with Sandusky as a coach and then a few months later played golf in Sandusky’s annual Second Mile golf fundraiser. For someone who supposedly stopped the alleged child rape and then reported it to police, McQueary didn’t exactly act like he was that disgusted with Sandusky…I in particular have a hard time seeing a valid reason for McQueary participating in Sandusky’s charity a few months after allegedly reporting Sandusky to police for child rape.
Thanks. I wondered. That makes sense. They are trying to move the trial somewhere else, where the citizens will go “easier” on this nasty piece of filth and his nasty filthy loathsome enablers.
I’m originally from PA with a family of big PSU football/JoPa fanatics. I will avoid talking to any of ‘em for a while bc they’re also major-league fanatical rightwingers. No doubt they’ve found some way to twist this & lay blame on something or someone else. JoPa’s fans, I’m sure, will never see him as responsible in any way.
Very sad; very sickening.
I won’t hold my breath waiting to see if true justice is served. It’s good that the Board fired JoPa’s enabling, codependent, skeevy, disgusting @ss and his career ends under a cloud. Nothing more deserving has been merited. PTOUI!!
Yes. I’m sure many are involved. Corruption to the highest level.
Very similar to the RC Church and how the top brass their enabled and were co-dependent with pedophile priests and permitted them to abuse children for decades/centuries.
Both PSU Football (and football in Team USA in general) & the RC Church are basically in it for the money. PSU make huge buck$$$ from PSU football. Everyone turned a blind eye to kids being raped & otherwise molested.
Money talks. Every d*mn frickin time.
Sure, a shaker of salt with every statement. But are you suggesting McQ didn’t see a rape? What is the motive for reporting it then? Isn’t there a record of the report?
Winkle. Try some circumspection here.
It’s okay to go OT, but if you place your comment in an appropriate thread, you might have a better chance of people jumping on it.
I’m just trying to help. But, just saying, there are plenty of threads here all day.
Do you know what I mean?
It might be better to pick your best opportunity. Unless it’s All about free floating, which is all good, and you probably have other things to deal with.
I’m just saying it’s sometimes good to choose your moment.
But, you seem to be a very tenacious person (read stubborn) and you do have some affective comments.
The police chief of State College, Pa., the university town or borough, has stated that his department received no information from McQueary on Sandusky’s alledged activities with children.
PSU is looking into McQueary’s email claim, made public by a friend of his, that he did stop the alledged assault.
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20111116/D9R227OG2.html
If, somehow, they can smear McQueary, or just partially discredit him, it will muddy up the investigation at practically all levels. And Penn State is frantic to do that.
Also, Pennsylvania governor, Tom Corbett, had jurisdiction over the prosecution for about two years, and sat on releasing any information. He’s starting to get some questions about that, and he doesn’t like it a bit.
In 1998, the mother of one of the boys went to authorities and told them that Sandusky had showered with her kid. In what is a provocative twist, to say the least, he D.A. she went to, named…Griciar (sp.?) declined to pursue it, and has since disappeared and been declared dead.
I think some more heads will roll. And should.
Yeah i played football from 7 to 18. I can count on one hand the number of times a coach was in the locker room with us. and there was never anytime that the coach was there when we showered (to be fair 99% of the time we waited to get home to shower).
Also, @onitgoes, Happy valley is surrounded by wingnut country but this is not a political issue and I dont see any conservatives making excuses for Joe Pa. He might walk but its on the strength of JoePa’s connections and history not politics.
That being said, Sandusky is going away for a long time. You might be able to poison the jury pool in PA but there is no jury in the country that will let Sandusky slide.
Good post, Inquisition. The fact that McQueary was still participating in fundraisers for Second Mile, WITH Sandusky, sure makes his claim of outrage, and of stopping the assault he witnessed, a lot weaker.
Also, Sandusky was seen on the sidelines of a Penn State practice, with a young boy in tow, as late as 2007, or 5 years after McQueary told Paterno what he’d seen.
Interesting. When I went to college, the campus police would call to warn students if the city police were coming for a drug bust. Private and corrupt.
That about Paterno changing ownership of his house to his wife back in July, is an indictment, itself. Too convenient.
Given Paterno’s legendary status in Pennsylvana, it’s nonsense to think that of all of the people who knew that this was bubbing away, including Tom Corbett, someone wouldn’t slip the word to Paterno that he was going to be caught up in it, to some extent.
“Isn’t there a record of the report.”
I’ve read that the campus police only kept paperwork for 7 years. And you can bet the ranch, that ANYTHING to do with this is being deep-sixed by the people with liability for knowing about it and doing nothing.
I wonder if Curley, Schultz, and Spanier are transferring assets? Or, McQueary, for that matter.
Coaches do not shower with their athletes.
“…Paterno changing ownership of his house to his wife back in July…”
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To quote the famous philospher, Yogi Berra, “That’s too much of a coincidence to BE a coincidence.”
I certainly never heard of that before the Bob Costas interview. I’ve seen and heard a lot of strange thing in my 60 years. Trust me. That, and his explanation, are way up there well past the WTF” threshold.
In Bankruptcy court, any transferring of assets that you do within one year of your filing date, will be reversed by the Trustee. I have heard of judges asking about the transferring of assets for two years back. Anything that you do that looks like you were protecting assets is subject to claw back. I am guessing that Paterno’s transferring his house to his wife at this date would not protect his assets…unless the jury/judge is rigged.
Maybe that’s what happened to Mr Gricar, the missing now declared dead DA.
“Sure, a shaker of salt with every statement. But are you suggesting McQ didn’t see a rape? What is the motive for reporting it then? Isn’t there a record of the report?”
I really don’t know what McQueary saw or thought he saw as things don’t seem to make sense. I’m mostly wary of jumping on whatever rumor that is out there as fact and that McQueary is 100% honest and a good guy. I feel there is a lot we don’t know and I don’t know which way that would fall.
What has really caught my eye is the vastly different treatment received by Paterno and McQueary. Supposedly McQueary can’t be fired because he’s considered a whistleblower for going to Joe Paterno, but yet Joe Paterno is fired even though it sounds like he too is protected by the same whistleblower statute:
(a) PERSONS NOT TO BE DISCHARGED — No employer may discharge, threaten or otherwise discriminate or retaliate against an employee regarding the employee’s compensation, terms, conditions, location or privileges of employment because the employee or a person acting on behalf of the employee makes a good faith report or is about to report, verbally or in writing, to the employer or appropriate authority an instance of wrongdoing or waste.
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/whistleblower-law-keeping-mcqueary-on-the-job/
Firing Paterno – basically a state employee – for explicitly following the law but somehow failing a moral judgment would seem to do far more damaging to state employees than Scott Walker. I very much see this issue both as a employment law issue in general and specifically about how state employees are treated in particular with how they can be terminated. Usually FDL avoids making emotion-based judgments, but in this case that doesn’t seem to be as much of a case. I think about this if instead of involving a matter of alleged child rape, that instead some Republican governor said that he was going to fire state employees even though they completely followed the law, yet were somehow immoral according to him and so must lose their jobs based on his moral judgment…I don’t think FDL would be celebrating that scenario, but this is the same thing legally speaking and FDL would be particularly upset if the firing ignored whistleblower statutes that would expressly not allow those firings.
There’s any number of paths that could take as far as what actually happened, but if everyone including FDL goes for emotion overriding the law, then we truly will become a lawless country moreso than we are now. By all means are free to make their own moral judgments about people like Joe Paterno, but it is very dangerous ground when we let moral judgments override laws to expense of people’s employment or worse. I think back with Alwalaki with the emotion-based appeals were made justifying his assassination overriding the law how FDL didn’t go along with that, but when it hits closer to home and it involves child rape, I think FDL has to watch itself that it doesn’t advocate setting a precedent that it will later regret.
Paterno was in charge of the entire football program. To equate his responsibility to notify the PROPER authorities of what McQueary told him, with McQueary’s, is nonsense.
Ok. Thanks for the input. I still hesitate to discuss w/ my family, due to their very emotional natures and their tendencies to fob blame for stuff their their “idols” do wrong onto someone else. It’s the way my family operates, but in this case, who knows? I was going on the strength of the PSU students rioting bc they thought it was “unfair” that JoPa got fired. I don’t.
WHOA!!!!!!! That’s gonna be some bad news for Papa Joe.
At his age, and with this “jacket”(criminal history),if he gets 20 years he’ll never see the light of day as a free man. Let’s just say this category of crime is frowned upon,universally, in the prison system. Now, I don’t have any sympathy for this animal, but believe me–he’s gonna suffer. Don’t ask.
“Paterno was in charge of the entire football program. To equate his responsibility to notify the PROPER authorities of what McQueary told him, with McQueary’s, is nonsense.”
Per the PA whistleblower statute if you notify your boss about wrongdoing you’re covered under it. Both he and McQueary notified their bosses of alleged wrongdoing, yet one was fired by the state’s own admission that the law was followed while the other still has their job. Also I don’t see how notifying the President of Penn State would not be considered a proper authority for an alleged workplace incident…if the President of Penn State isn’t a “proper authority,” then nor would Joe Paterno be a “proper authority” who was merely in charge of the football program rather than the entire university – you can’t have both ways.
There is information out today that Paterno is a really weird guy, from a former assiatant coach from 1987, who says it was expected that all the coaches, assistants etc.., although not players, were expected to take communal showers after each game. To be apart of the program, you did not go home to your family to shower, but had to take a communal shower or not be considered a team player (Paterno needs a shower after standing on the sidelines?). So maybe Paterno was living vicariously through Sandusky??
All that you wrote ignores that Paterno, as head of the football program, had WAY more responsibility for any wrongdoing that was going on, than did a graduate assistant.
Also, you are insisting on us ignoring the gradually increasing evidence that this wasn’t a case of not knowing that Sandusky was assaulting these kids, but that to the contrary, it may well have been a cover-up. Given that Paterno was Sandusky’s friend for decades, as well as his boss, that he didn’t know that Sandusky was doing this seems highly unlikely.
We’re not a court of law at FDL. We’re not bound by rules of hard, fast, evidence. No one is going to jail based on our posts or discussion. We have a perfect right to speculate, based on the limits of reasonable logic and a search for the answers. That some of our conclusions bother you, is, I think, more your problem than ours.
As for your contention that Spanier was a “proper authority”, that’s ludicrous. He was the president of a University where football was elevated to the status of a religion, and Joe Paterno was the Pope.
If you think that he didn’t have a huge internal interest in seeing this go away, then I don’t know why I’m talking to you.
Paterno had a subordinate report a felony to him. Supervisors have responsibilities beyond reporting to the next person up. Paterno had a moral, and quite possibly a legal, obligation to make certain that the alleged felony was reported to the police whether or not he told some else. (No one who can tell the trustees to go to hell when they ask him to resign has any superiors)
Every university I have been associated with has a faculty code of conduct. It is much more strict with a lower standard of proof and due process than criminal law. Tenured faculty ARE dismissed for conduct less reprehensible than Paterno’s.
no link?
then I say your pants are on fire
we are better than that
According to PA State statute campus police are law enforcement officials with the same powers and responsibilities as the police officers in the municipality in which the campus is located. They are different from other police in the municipality only in the geographic area in which they exercise those powers ( only on or within 500 yards of the campus ).
There is no “Better” venue for a child molester. They are despised in all corners. Just take a look at the penalties and post convictions release limits.