I tweeted last night, “When bad news from Europe tomorrow makes stocks tank, and the idiots in DC blame it on Super Committee fail, could someone correct them?” Apparently, no one told the AP or Washington Post, so I’m still wondering.
Fears that talks to reduce the U.S. deficit will collapse added to existing worries about European debt to push global markets lower on Monday.
A special deficit-reduction supercommittee in Washington was expected to admit failure in its quest to agree on how to improve government finances by $1.2 trillion over the coming decade. The main hurdle in the bipartisan panel’s negotiations was how much to raise in new taxes.
The talks’ expected collapse revived market fears that politicians — whether in the U.S. or Europe — are often unable to take the decisive action required to reduce debt during a difficult period of economic slowdown.
And indeed, the Dow is down 200 points, so this fiction will continue.
This is ridiculous. The collapse of the talks has nothing to do with the stock market. Europe is leading the world to depression. US lawmakers failed to replace $1.2 trillion in budget cuts with some other $1.2 trillion in budget cuts. Either way, there will be $1.2 trillion in budget cuts. Every rating agency has come out and said that this will not have any impact on US long-term borrowing rates. And even if they did, like Standard and Poor’s did earlier in the year, it had absolutely no impact on those borrowing rates. In fact, those rates plunged even lower.
To sum up, there will be no impact globally from the failure of the Super Committee. There will be no impact outside of the 10 miles square in the District of Columbia. That’s why the committee failed. There was no advantage to either party to make a deal. In fact, both parties perceived an advantage to not make a deal. And since the fallback was spending cuts, even distasteful spending cuts, it was attractive to both parties – to Democrats because the cuts avoided entitlements and hit defense, to Republicans because taxes would not be touched.
Where debt issues might make a dent in the global consciousness will occur when Republicans try to roll back the defense trigger. But even then, if it’s replaced with some other unspecified cuts, there will be no ripple effect. The cuts will still be cuts.
You can read blow-by-blow descriptions of Super Committee FAIL in the Huffington Post and the New York Times. But know this: the failure of the Super Committee represents only one thing: a triumph of democracy. The secretive, anti-democratic process to funnel through unpopular actions failed because outside the legislative system, there was enough pressure brought to bear to stop it. Given that the outcome shows how democracy can work, you would think that, if anything, stocks would get a boost if the European leaders weren’t tanking their economies.




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The success of democracy is so diasppointing to a certain percentage … and to their yapping lap-dags, to the wannabes, and to those who “believe” that they are more different from than alike the many “others”.
All of “them”, together, are a very small and, relatively, “little” bunch of frightened and very selfish beings.
Your stellar, and successful, efforts to lift genuine clarity above intentional confusions and deliberate deceit are always very much and continually appreciated, DDay.
DW
I really don’t think anybody knows why the stock market rises or falls anymore, it’s so rigged by the 1%, mostly a lot of churning to make money off churning. It’s so volatile, a true sign of collapse of the global economy. It’s just a few very rich people trying to make some more money before the house of cards falls. Look at what is happening in Europe and here, our economies are failing. China and the Asian tigers are another bubble that will burst. Capitalism is in trouble, maybe on it’s way out. We shall see. Meanwhile any financial advisor who tells you now is the time to invest in stock bargains is someone you should fire. Investing in the market right now is a death wish.
Of course the corporate media is lying about this — they are jonesing for austerity simply so they can get out of paying any taxes.
Either way, there will be $1.2 trillion in budget cuts.
Except not even, since neither wing of the Republicrat party is going to cut war money, not in a million years.
The key to being a successful financial journalist is to have failed an introductory course in economics. Not knowing anything keeps your mind clear and free of disturbing facts.
Agree David and add to that your post that congress doing nothing will cut the debt by 7 trillion. msm trying to setup the straw man argument
As I have constantly offered elsewhere at FDL, Mr. Dayen has it exactly correct.
This is all about gaming markets by the hedge funds and high frequency traders while using obscene amounts of leverage. Period.
Which, by the way, constantly shaves the return off of your retirement plan like a deli salami at lunchtime.
And, as I have covered before, they couldn’t care any less about the direction of said markets, they just need the volatility–up or down.
So, lazy writers get fed tripe from their ‘sources’ that have nothing to do with reality that they are only too glad to regurgitate onto the finance pages of Yahoo, Reuters, AP, etc. instead of doing their jobs and exposing the fraud and corruption that they are, in fact, enabling.
Well said.
They are not trying to report the news.
They are trying to support the Republicans.
I’m crushed…..No I’m not. I don’t give a fig about the stock market. If those who clip coupons IE play the market, get clipped – so much the better.
Yes indeed, it is the volatility of the up and down cycle which the players of the market are preying on, have been for a very long time. Any connection with reality is that reality is dangled from time to time as bait to keep that volatility happening. This is not normal stock market behavior; this is chicanery.
But David’s perception is so true:
“But know this: the failure of the Super Committee represents only one thing: a triumph of democracy.”
You won’t hear that on the msm – the revolution is not being televised. But know this: David is right on!
And sure enough, the current banner on Marketwatch.com is
A ‘supercommittee’ selloff on Wall Street
Death of a free press!! Death of free speech. Death of critical reasoning skills! Death of the alleged period of “enlightenment,” by those that seek to protect cash cow systems. Does any of this remind folks of the tactics employed by slave owners, to perpetuate a certain business model? Corporate/Congress holding a nation hostage????????????
Playing the market is more like buying a lotto scratcher than it is akin to clipping coupons. Although at least some of the lotto screatcher funds go to something constructive like education, as opposed to the market where the money goes to a bunch of selfish pikers who ship jobs overseas.
The market is rigged by Sachs to burn both Daytraders (Jim Kramer wannabes) AND Buy and Hold investors (includes 529 College Funds, IRA’s and Mutual Funds).
Note that Suze Orman, Jim Kramer, and AM/FM Radio Investment Advisors keep telling suckers to BUY BUY BUY more stocks and put more money into their retirement accounts (mutual funds).
Note also that Scottrade, Ameritrade, etc – discourage Daytrading and Short Selling.
Only those with sophisticated daytrading software can daytrade and sell short effectively.
Kramer, Orman, et al, are leading sheep to the slaughter.
Thank you.
MF Global, led by former Goldman Sachs chief Jon Corzine, collapsed after making a disastrous bet on European debt.
1.2 billion dollars is missing.
Not as long as people can read, write and speak. Where there’s a will there’s a way. Used to be typewriters and a home memeograph (sp), now it’s a text editor and printer. We can still go back to the old ways, though.
The efforts of White Rose cost 8 people their lives. We can do no less.
I really wish those here who have a similar mindset would learn to differentiate between “playing the market” and legitimate investing.
Buying a stock or mutual fund with the hope that it will go up over time is called investing, and in and of itself shouldn’t be vilified.
Using 40-1 leverage to place millions of trades per second (while only executing the profitable ones and canceling the rest), or using that same leverage to short the markets while spreading rumors that will make markets go down is not only “playing the markets” but should be illegal.
Huge difference.
If the Rs and Dem-Rs pass legislation to let the military off the hook by funding them anyway, we will know that the Super Committee was infact a rouse and total BS. If one trigger is not adhered to, then all triggers should be negated. The politicians and military knew the implications of the triggers better than any of us when they agreed to them. Military and Panetta did not balk when rules of the Super Committee were initially stated. The military is not above even one of ‘The People.’ They need to start over if they think so. Everyone knows that if you want something to disappear, you send it to ‘Committee.’ November 2012 election day can not come soon enough.
As for the Super Committee, if anyone thought this was going to be something other that another colossal waste of time, they weren’t paying attention.
Congress has devolved into a vast wasteland of corruption and influence peddling and here’s hoping the Occupy movement is serious about setting their sights on Washington and K street post haste.
When they get there the statement should be “You’re either with us or agin’ us…no in between,” and then root out all that won’t take a stand for systemic change from the current status quo.
Saw that. And the drones on CNBC are playing the global sell off as a Washington sell off too. It’s straight out of Naomi Klein’s “Shock Doctrine,” playing a crisis for political ends.
Paul Krugman is also trying to stem the bullshit tide, but it should be obvious to everyone that the Media Powers That Be want to see US-style screw-the99% austerity as it means more tax cuts for them (or at least the avoidance of tax hikes)
Never give up…..
It is called an unconstitutional delegation of decision making authority by the US Congress. Cowards protecting a rigged system! Congress’s history in passing fugitive slave laws is the precedent, we are seeing here. This Congress is dysfunctional, even more dysfunctional than the Antebellum Senate and House divide, prior to America’s civil war. In that time period, the SJC and COngress protected the institution of slavery, as today’s SJC and Congress protect the undue influence of money in the political process, to buy votes and draft laws placing Americans into servitude to same “monied interests!”
Exactly. Now we get to hear about how ad Iran is from France, which is ironic because that’s clearly the next target of the European blowout. French debt has already skyrocketed, and the whole thing will drag them down, and USA with it. Obviously the solution is to start blowing up someone with oil supplies handy…
And more from Krugman on how unspeakably stupid this is (complete with a chart).
You nailed it David.Moreover, the same propaganda mill lied about the market plunge resulting from the debt-ceiling debacle with attendant attendant downgrade.The plunge was caused by 3 reports predicting a bleak long-term outlook for consumer spending that basically told exporters America would no longer be consumer of last resort for global overcapacity .
Thank you Dean Baker as he was on MSNBC speaking the truth today unlike a lot of other “experts” aka BS artists
It didn’t help the stock market. It could have added to today’s decline. Europe is the over-riding concern, but traders haven’t paid much attention to this “Stupid Committee” thing. Tying political events to daily moves in the stock market is pretty dumb, most of the time.
The dysfunction in congress is hurting us, though some evidence is contradictory. The debt coverage ratio on a T-Bill auction today was a whopping 4-to-1. 4 bids for every dollar offered. An amazing statement for investor’s desire for US debt.
In terms of investing in general, what you never hear the media talk about is the apprx 1/2 trillion of income lost every year to fixed income investors (seniors, and non-gamblers) by virtue of the Fed driving interest rates to ZERO. The zero interest rates are for the benefit of recapitalizing THE BANKS. The ongoing theft from seniors and savers to the banks continues unabated. I guess it’s up to Grandma to sharpen her speculating skills and go head to head with Goldman, that’s the only way she can get any investment return on her life’s savings.
Couldn’t agree more!
This is the other side of the travesty going on in today’s markets.