President Obama positioned himself well politically in his statement on the demise of the Super Committee yesterday, particularly with this passage:
One way or another, we will be trimming the deficit by a total of at least $2.2 trillion over the next 10 years. That’s going to happen, one way or another. We’ve got $1 trillion locked in, and either Congress comes up with $1.2 trillion, which so far they’ve failed to do, or the sequester kicks in and these automatic spending cuts will occur that bring in an additional $1.2 trillion in deficit reduction.
Now, the question right now is whether we can reduce the deficit in a way that helps the economy grow, that operates with a scalpel, not with a hatchet, and if not, whether Congress is willing to stick to the painful deal that we made in August for the automatic cuts. Already, some in Congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts.
My message to them is simple: No. I will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts to domestic and defense spending. There will be no easy off ramps on this one.
If you read on, however, you find that Obama has no problem with changing the trigger cuts, as long as it’s a “balanced” plan of the same value. In other words, those who want to avert the defense trigger are going to have to raise taxes. And, as Obama says, “they’ve still got a year to figure it out.”
Then the President shifted to his immediate task at hand: extending the payroll tax cut.
Now, in the meantime, we’ve got a lot of work left to do this year. Before Congress leaves next month, we have to work together to cut taxes for workers and small business owners all across America. If we don’t act, taxes will go up for every single American, starting next year. And I’m not about to let that happen. Middle-class Americans can’t afford to lose $1,000 next year because Congress won’t act. And I can only hope that members of Congress who’ve been fighting so hard to protect tax breaks for the wealthy will fight just as hard to protect tax breaks for small business owners and middle-class families.
Notice that extending unemployment benefits, also set to expire, and something that has a higher multiplier as a stimulus measure, never gets mentioned. There’s an allusion to how “We still need to put construction workers back on the job rebuilding our roads and our bridges. We still need to put our teachers back in the classroom educating our kids.” There’s nothing about not cutting off the long-term unemployed after the holidays.
As I said, this is good political positioning. Obama looks like the adult to the Villagers, he keeps the rating agencies at bay by saying that responsibilities will be met through the power of the veto pen. He positions the Republicans as wedded completely to taxes for the wealthy, a good contrast for him. And according to Marc Ambinder, the plan is to use the bounty from war savings, the drawdown in Iraq and Afghanistan, to pay for the payroll tax cut and extending unemployment benefits (though it didn’t get a mention last night).
In the short term, according to White House officials, the president wants Congress to pass an extension of unemployment insurance and to renew his payroll-tax cut, paying for both items with money derived from the drawdown of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This requires a deft touch. If the president slams Congress too hard for its failure, they will be less inclined to work with him on these near-term initiatives. Republicans are more likely to work with him on the payroll-tax cut because they don’t want to be linked to a tax hike, even if that means getting behind an Obama initiative. But unemployment insurance is a different story — the White House does not know if there are enough Republican votes in the House for an extension of jobless benefits.
And therein lies the difference. That was true on the committee as well, incidentally, so this notion that the Super Committee fail has anything to do with the expiration of stimulus measures is really a stretch.
As long as the President can stand down his own handpicked Defense Secretary, and tell him that the military wasn’t broken in 2007, and shouldn’t be in 2013 when they would have the same budget, I think the defense cuts actually have a chance to go through. There’s not going to be some magic agreement any more than there has been before.
But the payroll tax cut and the unemployment extension is a trap of Obama’s own doing. It was insane – insane – to only extend those through 2011 in the Bush tax cut deal, while extending the tax cuts through 2012. There was no reason to believe that GDP growth, jobs and unemployment would be back to normal by the end of 2011 when the Bush tax cut deal was signed. Jim McDermott was prescient at the time of the deal:
“One year of unemployment benefits for two years of tax breaks for the rich? What kind of deal is that?” said Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), describing the gripes of “plenty of people” during a meeting between Biden and House Democrats [...]
“The rich get everything they wanted,” said McDermott. “They don’t care about the other stuff because they know it will all go away. The unemployment benefits — we’re gonna be fighting that one this time next year, right in the middle of when they’re in control. What chance do we have then? Zero.”
It was obvious that this would present a fiscal drag going into an election year, which the political science literature says should be avoided at all costs. There’s still a chance to pull this out; there’s a pay-for, and Republicans will be under some pressure to avert a tax hike that will be blamed on them. But the long-term unemployed may be out of luck. And it didn’t need to be this hard.




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Michael Moore said it best!
Maybe the 1% already have their guy in the White House?
What moron in the Obama White House came up with the idea to extend the BUSH TAX CUTS for 2 years and Un-employment benefits for 1 year?
I find it very, hard to believe that the OBAMA WH is this stupid
Obama policies never benefit the 99%
Paul Krugman said it best anyone that follows the GOP is either a FOOL or Clown.
Name 1 time the OBAMA WH beat the GOP fools and clowns? you can probably count them on 1 hand.
I repeat the 1% may already have their guy in the WH
Yea, like a veto is going to happen. It will be another deal where Obama caves in, because those mean nasty Republicans are holding the American people hostage for one thing or another.
I see Lucy standing on the sidelines just waiting to snatch the ball away again.
Does he have a Veto pen, i never heard of such a thing.
Who can trust any of these defense spending whores?
Business as usual; just a question of when and how O will cave to the 1%.
the payroll tax cut and the unemployment extension are dead – because the Congressional Dems will not be blackmailed again over the Bush tax cuts.
It has nothing to do with Obama getting a backbone, it does have to do with Obama losing influence over the Dems in Congress as he becomes a problem in their own re-election.
In 2013, the GOP gift store will re-open, either under Obama, or under new management – there will not be much of a difference caused by the 2012 election.
Next thing will be to extend the tax cuts once again or just make them permanent. But there will be some sort of cover or negotiated deal, to extend unemployment and payroll tax cuts. Great/s
It is hard to imagine a more piss-poor manager of the economy than Obama has been. One really needs to go back to Hoover to find the equivalent. At least Bush made no secret of the fact that he was out to help the rich. I think Obama is genuinely deluded (as Hoover was) in thinking that he is actually helping when in fact this budget-cutting mania is making things measurably worse. He’s just plain awful.
Yes, he is plain awful on the economy. don’t get me started.
allow me to translate;
“I will veto undoing cuts to social security and medicare and public works, I will not veto undoing trigger cuts to the military”
there ya go
count on that as historical track record for this corporatist, that is not snark
nope
he knows he is doing harm, he’s studied the historical consequences, this is deliberate deconstruction of the middle class
let’s stop calling them “bush tax cuts” too, they are obama’s and nobody elses
Except he doesn’t need to do anything just yet. Now make him a deal in exchange for those tax cuts and you got it.
maybe?
there is no maybe about it, we were duped, he IS playing for the other team, there is NO question about it
The payroll tax cut is a way to underfund Social Security, Medicare and unemployment benefits. Nice backhanded way of undermining the social safety net. It’s best to let it expire.
I don’t think he is deluded in the usual sense, but he evidently buys into a neoliberal economic theory that says suterity is a really good thing. Europe buys into the same crap.
Nah, not really. You may have noted they want to cut SS anyway. Fund doesn’t stop them. Only votes at the polls can do that.
Not true, the law as written:
PUBLIC LAW 111–312—DEC. 17, 2010
TAX RELIEF, UNEMPLOYMENT
INSURANCE REAUTHORIZATION, AND
JOB CREATION ACT OF 2010
Title IV, Sec. 601 (e)
(1) TRANSFERS TO FEDERAL OLD-AGE AND SURVIVORS INSURANCE
TRUST FUND.—There are hereby appropriated to the Federal
Old-Age and Survivors Trust Fund and the Federal Disability
Insurance Trust Fund established under section 201
of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 401) amounts equal to
the reduction in revenues to the Treasury by reason of the
application of subsection (a). Amounts appropriated by the preceding
sentence shall be transferred from the general fund
at such times and in such manner as to replicate to the extent
possible the transfers which would have occurred to such Trust
Fund had such amendments not been enacted.
I don’t think he buys it, I think he subscribes to the robber baron priniciples of sound economics, I think he knows he is destroying the middle class and that’s just the way he likes it now that he is among the 1%
Either way. But the austerity meme is all over the world these days and they quote even some Harvard economists about how right it all is.
oops wrong. Interestinly though, it seems China doesn’t buy it. They are talking about stimulus.
Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand are smiling from their respective corners in hell.
Occupy Congressional Offices. The unemployed should walk into every office of every member of Congress and demand the use of the fax machine, the computers and if they have lost their homes the couches and any facilities. They should demand such use until they have a job. If they are still receiving benefits the response can be I pay taxes on my benefits and you have done diddly to help me and the million of others who are unemployed and underemployed in this nation be able to use our talents and skills to make a living. Instead you passed trade deals that will add hundreds of thousands to our numbers AND decided that governments should shed employees. I have helped pay your salary. As you aren’t giving me good value for that, I’m going to use the equipment also paid for by tax dollars in my search for a job. If you cannot do anything else, well so be it. Perhaps you should have done YOUR job and worked to make sure that there were good jobs, with decent salaries and benefits for all Americans willing and able to work.
The unemployed need to get in the faces of every elected representative and every member of their staff DAILY. Because apparently they need to be shown that it is a crisis…
Speaking of the Harvard economist, it turns out that Ed Glaeser’s mother ran the Capital Markets section for Mobil Corp before going to Deloitte Touche to direct risk management. I’ve read some of Glaeser’s work. It is extremely pedestrian. Must be a heritage appointment or something.
Hayek is there too.
Oh, I know a lot who are there.
I saw a few of the asses on CNN a few weeks ago. Cant recall their names but they are true neoliberals. Some Harvard students were upset at their eco dept awhile back too I recall.
Vetoing (or threatening to veto…) republican shit is not going to get him re-elected, and shouldn’t.
Too many people remember all the clout and the big congressional margins that we gave him, which he has utterly squandered, for that to work.
Blows me away that so many of these clowns still adhere to Friedman’s theories. They’ve done nothing but wreak havoc wherever they’ve been tried. The same old “we didn’t go far enough” shit.
President Obama should have demanded from the Republicans that unemployment insurance not expire until the unemployment rate falls under five percent.
Regarding the Bush tax cuts, it was right to extend them. Letting them expire and thereby taking trillions of dollars out of the economy would likely have sent us into another recession.
In all seriousness, we should just abolish the federal income tax. It’s too bad we have a debt hawk in the White House.
What Perris said, in #9.
The “brave new Obama”…courageously pretending to fight the good fight, when he’s long since surrendered to the assholes.
Did he suddenly grow a pair, or is he just faking it?
“One way or another, we will be trimming the deficit by a total of at least $2.2 trillion over the next 10 years.”
Ask yourself this question: How much ECONOMIC VALUE $$$$$$$$$$$$ will the American people blow out the tailpipe of our collective vehicles in the next ten years @ say a low ball estimate of 1 billion dollars a day????????
Seems what is being protected here is the systemic rape of a nation by energy corporations……… The real reason why the fucking economy imploded was 147.50 oil!!!!!!!!!!! Like fucking drunks in denial…..
Obama is probably thinking of swapping the defense cuts for equal cuts to the entitlements programs.
That’s sooo 2008
I don’t know HOW, but this is all gonna get screwed up and nothing good is gonna happen to you and me. I would LOVE to be wrong.
Ousterity for thee not me.
“Did he suddenly grow a pair or is he just faking it?”
Faking it. Big time.
It’s all he’s got left…to make it look like he’s holding the line against the assholes, when he’s spent three years doing rehab on the assholes and pissing away the tools with which to make a totally new line.
Its hard to imagine worse management of ANY business of the Fed Gov than weve had under the Obama rackett. Hes a perfect storm of Incompetence combined with vicious spite with a generous portion of self interested narcisism tossed in. All the GOP cares about is regaining control of the patronage. Obama certainly wants to hang onto that but theres something else nefarious going on in there that no one has been able to explain satisfactorily.
“As long as the President can stand down his own handpicked Defense Secretary . . .”
WTF is going on with that anyway? Kabuki? Eleventy chess? Good cop/bad cop”. Covering all bases? Think no one’s counting? Assume
we’re all as stupid as a box of rock? (probably). Or is Panetta off the reservation, if there is a reservation that is?
Anyone got a clue? (actual insider info would be more truly welcome).
I think THAT’S the $64,000 question.
Folks, Osterity is a businessman. So it’s not personal, it’s just business.
From the perspective of the 1%, Osterity has done his job and done it well.
Since that’s who he really works for, the 1% should be polled on what they think of his job performance. He is following their orders so let’s get their take on it.
Can we please start polling the 1%.
Speaking of being wrong, did I get it wrong that you have an old Corvette? Your Camaro-related comment yesterday confused me. Fess up, man, exactly what kind of cool old wheels do you have?
We both know the 1% and their supporters would say they hate him. Just like they keep calling the corporate-owned and right-winger run media the “liberal media.” That’s the way to best position themselves as the “victim” whilst they continue to actively victimize everyone else.
Inquiring ex-hot rodders want to know lol.
Yeah and don’t think that Bill Clinton isn’t lurking around the dark corners of the White House giving him his “expert” advise.
alan1tx, Obama’s program of not collecting Social Security taxes was clearly designed to help destroy Social Security. Look at this again, and notice the words TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, below:
“PUBLIC LAW 111–312—DEC. 17, 2010
TAX RELIEF, UNEMPLOYMENT
INSURANCE REAUTHORIZATION, AND
JOB CREATION ACT OF 2010
Title IV, Sec. 601 (e)
(1) TRANSFERS TO FEDERAL OLD-AGE AND SURVIVORS INSURANCE
TRUST FUND.—There are hereby appropriated to the Federal
Old-Age and Survivors Trust Fund and the Federal Disability
Insurance Trust Fund established under section 201
of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 401) amounts equal to
the reduction in revenues to the Treasury by reason of the
application of subsection (a). Amounts appropriated by the preceding
sentence shall be transferred from the general fund
at such times and in such manner as to replicate TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE the transfers which would have occurred to such Trust Fund had such amendments not been enacted.”
“TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE” is the key, because who will decide what is “possible?” (Hint: it won’t be anyone whose family needs or might need Social Security benefits.)
“It’s all he’s got left…to make it look like he’s holding the line against the assholes…”
Yes, and it is only until the NEXT ELECTION. After that it will be back to the same ol’ sh!t.
Barry O is a snake and all he wants is his grand bargin…..I will not vote for any candidate from a major party…if I can’t someone to vote for I am writing in “none of the above”
I think we have a winnah!
May I suggest voting for “realitychecker”? I’m trying to get a movement started lol.
A serious question: By law they have to reimburse the SS trust fund, but how would they get around not putting the money back in. I feel the same way that they are trying to defund SS but was curious. There are people here who know better than me.
I think Kris @46 answered my question.
“…it’ll be back to the same old shit.”
Thassit.
Any of our liberal stay-the-course-with-Obama “friends” you talk to, just point out that with the pulsating mandate to make real change, and the congressional hammer he got with it, from the voters in 2008; he STILL laid down like a cur dog for the assholes…and what makes them think that IF he’s able to somehow squeak through against someone from the clown posse, he’ll do anything differently in a second term.
If they can’t answer (and they can’t…) then tell them to go to hell…without dragging the real progressives along with them.
Obama has made it a point to say that he’s not obsessed with another 4 years. I think we should take him at his word, and work like hell for anyone who might be able to force him to do an LBJ.
Funny story for you: Last week I was at a gathering (ok, a demonstration) at a local school. I saw a guy with an Obama T-shirt, and I talked with him to get his thoughts about that very fact. i.e. Obama had a mandate and a supermajority, and he used it to appoint Geithner and Summers right away. The guy was clearly uncomfortable with my line of thought.
Turns out that he was with MoveOn! There I was, unknowingly trying to reason with a party-liner. Duh.
“…don’t think that Bill Clinton isn’t lurking around the dark corners of the White House giving him his “expert” advice.”
Bubba is way enough of a politician to know one hell of a lameduck when he sees one. He’s like a “Farside” buzzard, waiting to see how far Obama can crawl in the desert, before he drops and becomes political protein/carrion.
I know that Hillary has disavowed a run in 2012, but if Obama’s numbers get into the low 30′s (and I think they will) there will be people coming out of the woodwork to run at him. That Hillary, watching this, won’t get a new case of the thigh-sweats, is just not believable. You KNOW that Bill will be whispering in her ear:
“Go on, darlin’…you owe it to yourself.”
Nothing has changed, relative to the republicans and independents, nearly all of whom still loathe her. For democrats, the same baggage that she was carrying when Obama (Much aided by his progressive friends whom he has rewarded by hosing us cross-eyed) won the nomination, is still draped arouond her neck:
AIPAC tatt on her butt…
Lieberman bud, big time…
BushCo warbot…
Too chickenshit to campaign as a liberal, but instead was dumb enough to think that after 8 years of bushCo, she could ass-smooch the amurkan right all the way into the Oval Office.
I don’t know WHO to look for to mount a challenge to Obama, but the way things are going, by early spring, we should have some people going after him. If we don’t, then we’ll probably lose the Senate, too, thanks to Mr. Centrist and his great “leadership”.
Center, just wait until the first democrat gins up a campaign at Obama. It’s going to get nasty for dems all over again.
But then, real is real and true is true. Why shouldn’t it get nasty? The alternative is oozing along with Obama and getting the living shit kicked out of us…again.
I believe “TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE” refers to the “times and manner” of transfers, not the amounts.
It’s stated in law, so fudging could easily be challenged. If you can point to some actual incite instead of paranoia, I’d be happy to read further.
The crux of the Social Security “crisis” is to keep engineering “bankruptcy” 30 years in the future as a justification for cutting benefits and undermining the program. Meanwhile taking money out of the trust fund to use for other things with a so-called promise to pay it back. Just change the law to avoid paying anything back, that’s the ultimate goal.
It makes me mad/sad to recall how much the corporate media mocked Al Gore for his “lockbox” idea on Social Security funds, right as he was.
DonS: “…or is Panetta off the reservation?”
I have no insider info, but the plan of moving Panetta to SecDef, to make room for Petraeus at Langley, spoke volumes, to me.
I thought that Obama putting Panetta at the CIA was a good move, in that Panetta had been kind of a small-l “liberal”, or at the worst, not an out-and-out warbot. I hoped that he would rein in the cowboys there, a bit. Now, it looks like, not so much. And replacing him with Petraeus was, for me, another “last straw” on Obama. (They keep coming, don’t they?)
Petraeus is a relatively young and healthy man. He’s been a climber in the military forever. Now, with this career segue, he’s got another facet to his resume’ and he is, unspinnably, a go-along warbot. In future, what new president is going to ask him to leave the CIA? I think he’s there for as long as he wants to be…with one important caveat: I think that he could bail for any future general election, including the next one. I think it just might get that crazy next year. In fact, with the way the clown posse is going, Petraeus is already looking like a sane option. He’s a very careful man, and the republicans will have to get more desperate than they currently are, but if they do, I think it just miiight be that he can be had for 2012.
Panetta is fulfilling the SecDef job description, whining about weakening amurka and making us vulnerable. That’s Obama’s sensitivity to being called “soft on terrism!”, not to mention: “a socialist”, as he continues to lard his administration with corporatist shits like William Daley, or to hire Jeffrey Immelt as “Jobs Czar”…what a black-humor laugh THAT is. The title should have been “Jobs Czar in charge of union-busting and transporting lots of jobs overseas.”
I think Obama would like to put a new-faces face on his administration in time for the election, but I think he’s going to have trouble finding anyone who wants to climb on the Titanic as it kicks up for that final plunge. More like we’ll be seeing people leaving by next spring.
Keep in mind who is pushing austerity. The leaders of Europe, Germany and France are under their right coalitions. Italy is and was under Berlusconi. Oddly enough, he appears left of the technocrat banking puppet the right-leaning European parliament put into place. Greece and Spain had social democrats in power, but their countries were too weak to fight back by traditional means. They’d need a far left party in power to really tell them to ef off, but instead they have the believers of capitalism who just support social services, welfare, and immigration more than their right counter-parts.
Perhaps even more than the US, the reason the right is in power in many of these countries is immigration and refugees, and a bit of voting against the other party like in the US. Like the US, their left parties do not counter the right parties strong enough anymore, so they appear weak and when shit hits the fan, they appear powerless and complicit.
+1
Is Austrian economics really fascist economics? 1% elevating,union busting,corp control of gov, corp buying of elections, non varifiable election counting- is there anything Franco or Bonito M. would not have approved of??
I think I understand–you are saying that the government is now paying these funds into the Social Security trust fund?
Where is the government getting the money, since we’re not paying it as payroll deductions? Are they borrowing it from China?
If the government is borrowing this money, doesn’t it add to the deficit? Until now, Social Security has not added to the deficit.
But if what you seem to be saying is true, then Social Security is now adding to the deficit–wonderful, since now those who want to destroy Social Security will not be lying when they say it is adding to the deficit.
Obama’s “payroll tax holiday” defunds Social Security by $113 billion in 2011 and even more in subsequent years. Is the government paying that money into the trust fund now, with borrowed Chinese funds?
you got it! :)
For a good summary of how Obama’s “payroll tax holiday” has been designed to destroy Social Security, read this:
A Payroll Tax “Holiday” A Bad Deal for Workers and for America
http://www.ncpssm.org/news/archive/payroll_tax_holiday/
For a good summary of how Obama’s “payroll tax holiday” has been designed to destroy Social Security, read this:
A Payroll Tax “Holiday” A Bad Deal for Workers and for America
http://www.ncpssm.org/news/archive/payroll_tax_holiday/
Thanks I know they are cutting the SS tax for the reasons you mentioned. I just wasn’t sure how they would do it if they have a law directing money back to the trust fund. I know the rule of law. Thanks again for your insight.
He is just plain dismally awful.
Cutting the payroll tax means draining the SS fund’s ability to pay current (monthly) benefits to recipients even faster. Do the grammas and grampas out there realize what Obama is doing to them? Like driving a stake in their heart. Why does Obama hate old people? And where are the Democrats to defend their signature issue of the last 75 years?
Better that they join the Occupy Whatever movement in their nearest metro area and KEEP occupying as many government offices as possible until Congress gives them their stolen homes back and creates a job with a livable wage for them. If the 1% bear their teeth thru their surrogates, the police at all levels, then welcome to Egypt and the Arab Spring right here in the good old USA!
I am copying a post of mine using definition of GDP and empirical data on GDP growth with government of USA. This shows the following:
Deficit spending by increasing G is the only solution to economic growth.
Define the symbols; G=govt spending per year
I=gross investment per year
C=private consumption per year
X=export/year
M=import/year
By definition GDP = C+I+G+(X-M) = 5G( empirically using US data from 1969 to 20100), which means C+I+X-M = 4G. If G decreases, you have to import more, export less,invest less or consume less or a combination of all. This is an accounting identity and has nothing to do with any ideology. If G increases, C+I+X-M will increase and USA will become prosperous again.
I also added a diagram in
http://pshakkottai.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/how-the-econom…orks-a-diagram/ to explain modern monetary theory based on actual accounting identities independent of any ideology. Government spending (a deficit) creates wealth in the private sector. SS and medicare are separate from the regular money flows.