The incident in Pakistan over the weekend, where NATO forces shot and killed two dozen Pakistani military forces, is an example of why the notion of a “successful” foreign policy from the Obama Administration leaves a lot out.
In essence, when people say that the President has “succeeded” in the foreign policy arena, they mean that he has succeeded in killing a lot of people, mainly suspected Al Qaeda and related suspected terrorists in countries across Asia and Africa. This “success” (and the fact that the US is struggling to find additional Al Qaeda targets suggests that there is at least a little success involved here) carries with it collateral damage of the type we saw in Pakistan over the weekend. And that carries its own foreign policy deficiencies. As Henry Kissinger counseled to Richard Nixon in 1969 when he wanted to bomb the entire Southeast Asia region into the Stone Age, “You don’t want countries mobilized against you as the butcher of the world.”
As it is, Pakistan is demanding that the US vacate Shamsi Air Base, a suspected drone base, within 15 days, and they have further cut supply lines from Pakistan to US and NATO troops into Afghanistan. But this is not really the major concern here. Supply lines have been routinely cut over the past few years in retaliation to US excesses and abuses, to the extent that the US has drastically reduced their reliance on that supply line and opened up a separate one through Central Asia that delivers over half of non-lethal supplies. Similarly, Shamsi Air Base has really already been shuttered for drone strikes, supposedly, though this demand adds the step that it be completely vacated.
The bigger issue is that this incident causes a total rupture of relations between the US and a large, nuclear-armed country that holds a large segment of the world’s extremist elements inside. Pakistan has not exactly been a model partner for the United States in the post-9/11 age, but shattering the relationship has more negative consequences for national security and foreign policy than the litany of drone strikes bring positives. It’s a classic example of blowback; the near-term advantage of dead terrorist suspects outweighed by the enormous enmity generated by the barrage of attacks.
The US disputes the facts of the attack, but traditionally this precedes an eventual apology. We have so destroyed the Pakistan relationship that it’s hard to unravel whether or not there’s anything worth salvaging. But it definitely makes the world a [worse] place to have that level of antagonism in a dangerous part of the world. That is anything but a success.




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1. I hate the phrase “collateral damage” as used since Vietnam era. Call it like it is: killing of innocents.
2. The strike was called in by US command, not NATO and delivered by US, not NATO, a point not specified in many articles (not the one DD cites though).
3. Now publication of Pakistan government’s further aid and comfort to US forces, with bases in country, will further destabilize the Pakistani civilian government sector.
Just what we need.
Terrorism isn’t war, it is organized crime. More or less every bad policy outcome can be traced back to the failure to comprehend this.
Obama’s policy, if it can be called that, is sickening, vile, corrupt, evil.
It’s often useful to ask, what if the reverse happened for instance in this case, if Pakistan bombed and American checkpoint, killed 25 american soldiers, then said “sorry”
and, in addition to the USA making a deal to sell fissile material to India, (brilliant) now Australia is also getting in on that useful bit of business.
If Pakistan and India use their nuclear weapons, who knows what would happen to the world.
“nobody could have predicted,,,,,,”
and, welcome back Dave.
Butcher of the world, unfortunately that is the USA. We still have the same ruling class in power that is so insane they want to destroy the world, everyone who is not us. And now us as well. Our foreign policy is the same as Hitler’s, conquer and destroy the world in the name of the same insane vision of being the Master Race. Our ruling class was very much in favor of Hitler. And European ruling classes as well. He almost got the Nobel Peace Prize. We are the Fourth Reich.
Obama is a mass murderer and a war criminal.
This explains why he did nothing to hold his predecessor butchers responsible for their “deeds”.
Is it now a job requirement for President?
You’re correct on collateral damage, but still DDayen is (as he often is) clever to apply it to military deaths when the (Obama’s) normal targets are civilians.
But but but the Paks hit the U.S. back first.
If memory serves, didn’t the U.S. at one point have a WAR against organized crime? Or did I just make that up.
One has to wonder how much MORE we should spend on high tech surveillance or how many MORE intelligence/spy networks or agencies a government must support in order to actually get it right. Not only do we waste huge amounts on air conditioning, but we also apparently waste huge amounts on our intelligence apparatus only to supply terrorists networks with more recruits and fuel the opposition which we are also, gee what a surprise, arming on a daily basis. Super sized power, super sized fuckups.
It seems that the Taliban have learned from US divide-and-conquer strategy, promoting a break between Pakistan and the US which will aid Taliban objectives. Anti-Americanism has become even stronger in Pakistan which helps the Taliban and hurts the US.
The Taliban moves are also in line with the general strategic situation which is US/Karzai/NorthernAlliance/India vs. Pakistan/Pashtun/Taliban/China. General McChrystal assessed this dilemma over two years ago, before he was fired.
You can’t buy true friendship, and the simple fact is that US and Pakistan security interests don’t coincide.
WashingtonDC is using NATO to hide Pentagon/CIA behind — the duplicity sought in doing so is Daylight Plain to see.
Attack on Libya was also suggested to be a NATO Op — as tho USA/Pentagon is not the biggest component in NATO — this duplicity was intended it seems to shield WashingtonDC/Pentagon against questions about Who Is Doing What To Who? Not The Pentagon/CIA…Not Us!! IT Is NATO — Not Us!!
It seems to be intended and most likely is a calculated mislead.
WashingtonDC/Pentagon not the “good guys” plain to see and want to put the onus that this opens upon on NATO — not on WashingtonDC/Pentagon/CIA.
What/Who is NATO in Asia? USA/Pentagon/CIA in most ways as it stands.
This Game the Name NATO is being used by WashingtonDC/Pentagon/CIA to do is a Big Lie.
To paraphrase an Israel supporter (senior woman, U.S. born & bred; no Holocaust holocaust relatives) who once typed to me: What innocent Palestinians, one could posit that in O’s mind (such as it is) all Paks are guilty. And soldiers moreso than most.
Isn’t that the point of U.S. policy, so that the country with the biggest hammer can dominate the earth thru endless war. Without enemies, what is the U.S. excuse for war. Since the U.S. doesn’t have any enemies, it must make them (or make them up).
Libya was a Sark creation. Wanted a quick victory against a hapless country, with no credible military. (Like U.S. neocons, smash some defenseless country against the wall periodically to show who’s boss.) Some Libyan expat whispered in Sark’s ear (think Chalabi analogue). In neocolonial times, Libya falls under France’s hegemony, and French corps get oil & water (Libya has water out the wazoo) corps (Perrier, Evian).
Obama has succeeded in foreign policy as much as George W Bush did. They are the same policies and they have yielded the same results. So now the Obots are cheering Bush’s bloodthirsty policies without the slightest hint of shame. In the end, what has ruined America is the degradation of our character. The evils just filled the void.
Sark is up for reelection.
IOKIYAD
Barry “Bush” “Obama has carried the sword quite handily for the neo-cons. What an ass. He needs to go even if it means an assclown gets the wheel for awhile.
And it’s looking more and more as if Strauss-Kahn was set up by Sarkozy’s government. Well, Sarkozy may have eliminated the most obvious candidate to oppose him, but he’s still probably going to lose the election next spring.
When the U.S. bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during the Kosovo War, I got the distinct impression that that was the national security state (CIA + military) going off on its own, and that the clumsy, unbelievable story about out-of-date CIA maps was just a way to conceal the fact that President Clinton didn’t have the power to prevent the national security state from doing that sort of thing.
Pray hard..a major war, the fix for bad economies, and money lenders wet dreams, is a possibility in the coming months, and this country is out of stock options. Beware of false flags.
I wake everyday to this sick shit…and am more than convinced that sanity is extinct, it has been rent asunder by goldman sachs and evelyn’s boys.
True, sadly true. And how does your psyche handle this truth? Mine is all but this side of psychosis. But then I think of all the butchery done in my name and know sane or not I must endure and give my small squeek of protest.
Bombing the Chinese Embasy was no accident…Clinton probably knew, but had plausibe whatever. CIA controls the drones. W/ CIA you never know if Obama knew, but the CIA knows and does what it wants. The only president who pushed back was….not re-elected…as it were.
Yep– you are right about Paris/Sarko premise–it was/is so eCAHN.
Libya attack was economic/political neocolonialism/bullyism and WashingtonDC/Pentagon signed on to the idea and OKayed it. Obama did some WH Kabuki to make it look like POTUS Obama was not “in” on Libya attack.
And should anyone decide to use NATO as a attack “blanket” in ways USA does not want/like? Would/Will not happen without WashingtonDC/Pentagon/CIA OK.
Yes again eCAHN IOKIYAD … this so too.