It looks like a blink. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters yesterday that “I think at the end of the day there’s a lot of sentiment in our conference, clearly a majority sentiment, for continuing the payroll tax relief that we enacted a year ago in these tough times.”
That was a clear endorsement for a policy that Democrats, including the President, who is on the road today in Scranton, Pennsylvania echoing this message, have been hammering for weeks now. Republicans are apparently on board with the biggest fiscal measure that has been proposed in Washington, in terms of size. This would prevent a major fiscal drag in 2012 and markedly improve the economy. They did not want to be seen on the wrong side of broad tax relief for every American worker.
But if you think this is now as simple as banging a few gavels and rubber-stamping a few bills, think again. We are far from consensus on the contours of a payroll tax package, as McConnell made clear if you read his full remarks. And when the Senate votes Friday on the first incarnation of a payroll tax cut extension, despite McConnell’s words it will go down to defeat. Here are the major issues:
• The pay-for. It used to be an open question in Republican circles whether tax cuts had to be paid for at all. And in fact, some Republicans, like Scott Brown, don’t want it to be offset at all. But McConnell was explicit, in the very next sentence after his endorsement of extending the tax cut. “But we believe with this kind of deficit, we ought to pay for it.” And he most certainly doesn’t agree with the Senate Democratic proposal, which widens and deepens the payroll tax cut, and has a pay-for of a 3.25% surtax on millionaires, who make up just 0.1% of the population. McConnell predictably argued that this surtax would crush small businesses, which White House Council of Economic Advisers Chair Alan Krueger rebutted yesterday. “The vast majority — one figure I saw was 99 percent — of individuals with small business income would not be affected by this.”
McConnell instead vowed that Senate Republicans will come up with their own offset, and based on the offsets they have proposed in the past, expect it to be completely unacceptable, something on the order of drastically reducing near-term spending across the board.
So while Senate Republicans are predicting that their version of the bill will pass, the truth is that pay-fors have derailed plenty of bills in Washington, even if both sides want to pass the underlying policy. And the argument over the pay-for gives both sides a way to blame the other for a tax increase.
There are escape hatches here, particularly using a cap on war funding (known as the overseas contingency operations, or OCO, budget) from the expected drawdowns in Iraq and Afghanistan to recognize savings that can be used as an offset. But it’s unclear whether that’s a step both sides want to take.
• There are two chambers. The only people you heard so far on this proposal on the Republican side serve in the Senate. That makes sense because the Senate is poised to vote on this later in the week. But House Republicans have been basically silent on the payroll tax. Mitch McConnell does not dictate what the House GOP brings to the floor. That was evidenced by the debt limit debate, when McConnell floated an escape hatch through the resolution of disapproval process to pass the debt limit, and House Republican leaders summarily rejected it. Dave Camp, the Republican head of the House Ways and Means Committee, would only say that “I think we’re going to have a few days of really listening to our members,” when asked about the issue. McConnell isn’t speaking for them.
• The President’s role. President Obama has forcefully stepped into this debate, doing events around the country on the need to extend the payroll tax cut. He may give a national address on the issue. The history of this White House has been that, whenever the President jumps into an issue, his presence immediately polarizes it, and Republicans turn violently against it, even if it was their idea in the first place. In this case, Republicans are generally conceding the desire to extend the tax cut. But they still don’t want to hand the President a victory, especially one which could marginally improve the economy. That’s just not their scenario for victory in 2012.
Then there’s the risk of needing Presidential sign-off, given his deep involvement in the issue, in any compromise solution. Press Secretary Jay Carney would not say whether the White House would support a different pay-for than the millionaire’s surtax, for example. Further, the President’s views on an acceptable pay-for may not square with that of Democrats or Republicans. It adds one other cook into a broth that makes it harder to reach consensus.
• The Social Security question. There is a nagging sense in some liberal corners that the payroll tax, which funds Social Security, should not be cut, even if the Social Security Trust Fund is made whole by general revenue, because it invites meddling with Social Security down the road. Indeed, if you don’t return the payroll tax to its full rate in 2012, it becomes harder to do so down the road (it’s always a “tax increase,” in the Obama parlance, when it goes away). Then the general fund is picking up some of the Social Security costs, and Social Security is contributing to the deficit in a roundabout way, making it easier to argue that it needs to be “fixed” (i.e., have the benefits cut) in some way.
Krueger yesterday insisted that this is a temporary tax that will contribute to economic recovery, making it unnecessary to persist down the road. But the fear of what this does to Social Security may be enough to keep at least a handful of Democrats off an extension. And with votes likely to be at a premium for any compromise, it makes the needle that you need to thread that much smaller.
• Additional issues. Tom Curry runs down all the other urgent measures likely to get a vote before the end of the year. There are the appropriations to fund the government, extended unemployment benefits which run out at the end of next month, a doc fix to prevent a 29% cut to doctors on Medicare reimbursement, a host of expiring tax breaks for corporations and individuals, a patch on the alternative minimum tax, and more (like an FAA authorization extension). While putting all of these measures into a salad would theoretically make them easier to pass, with all the moving parts it can also make it MORE difficult, especially because almost everything in that kind of package would cost money.
In sum, there are all kinds of ways to screw this up and let the payroll tax cut expire, even if both parties presume to want to extend it.




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It seems to me that people that still have jobs in this economy are those least in need of assistance.
If you still have your job you must be a needed member of your company and can prover your worth … so your job is pretty much secure.
Also, anyone with a job can borrow money at the lowest interest rates in a generation so if you have a job your in fat city …
So I don’t understand how giving people who are already in good shape a tax break helps anything … especially if it is not paid for.
If the pay for is to pile it on to the existing debt we have seen how that is going to be paid for … Obama has already offered up cuts to Medicare and SS COLA.
Unless this is paid for by taxing the rich, which will never happen with these Democrats then it would be better to let the holiday expire.
Of course everyone would like free money … I guess basic instincts always win in the end … people rationalize things that are in their personal best interest.
Doin’ nothing is having fun! I agree. From everything we have seen, doing nothing is the better choice when it comes to this congress. The paybacks are too high. (Reminds me of the Godfather).
If they do nothing, the taxes come back on the rich, the troops come home, military spending gets cut. I keep thinking that eventually the rich kids will want to make some money on government contracts, and if (sigh) they do not come up with another war, then folks like Halliburton are going to demand fat government contracts on infrastructure construction. You know, hire a few people at yeoman’s wages and pocket ungodly amounts of unsupervised profit?
Because people who have jobs and get more money for them spend money on goods and services, increasing demand, which forces businesses to keep up with the demand by hiring more people. Also we’re talking about benefits for even the working poor, which is a shockingly large number of people, who may need the money to stay afloat. And they have a high propensity to spend.
Turtleface never plays it straight.
Signs around LA:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.com/2011/11/road-tripla-postings.html
Working the Bay Area today…
Has anyone else noticed that McConnell bears an uncanny resemblance to Voldemort?
The pay-for is the opposite of piling it on the existing debt. If you don’t find a pay-for, it get’s added to debt, just like they did last year.
So why was it so difficult for the Democrats to let the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire?
They should just increase all the tax rates by 4 or 5%.
That’s eat the seed corn argument that’s used to create a greater shortfall in the future.
Tax the rich at 90% with all kinds of deductions and watch the economy explode.
Every deduction is money spent on something.
This is a trap the republican “peoples” president has sprung on the 99%.
“n sum, there are all kinds of ways to screw this up and let the payroll tax cut expire, even if both parties presume to want to extend it.”
Oh please, please Congress, SCREW THIS UP!
I absolutely don’t understand you on this issue, David. The payroll tax cut is robbing Peter to pay Paul – and you say yourself, they have no “agreement” on how to pay for this, so future generations, or even the current one is going to be shafted as social programs become fiscally vulnerable. And you seem to think this is a good thing!
If as you say the problem is buying stuff to ‘create jobs’ by forcing companies to hire more people, why hasn’t the situation changed markedly since the tax cut was implemented? And if it hasn’t changed markedly, why attack the one thing we all are going to NEED as our wealth continues to go to those fat cats masquerading as different parties?
If you want to creat jobs – I have a silly suggestion – create jobs!
Boy, we need clarity and this is not it.
Great on you Keep it up.
If the working poor need money to stay afloat, raise the minimum wage by the amount that would be available to them with the tax cut! It’s not very much per paycheck, but if you want the poor spending, make companies pay them more. That will have the advantage of also putting aside more for them what they will NEED in their old age. Otherwise as I said before, you are shortsheeting them in particular!
Let the darn thing sunset. That is what it was supposed to do, so for crying out loud, make the needed FDR adjustments elsewhere! Put people on infrastructure projects bigtime, government jobs, if you still want to BE a government!
There’s really no part of the process that isn’t a lot of fun…
Well put. And, BTW, my continued THANKS for the outstanding job you do each and every day. I don’t know when you sleep or eat.
“Turtleface”, I hadn’t head that one. I LIKE it!
And, you’re right, he’s a slippery scumbag. We’d better “watch him like a hawk.”
Yelp, in my heart of heart we change one person at a time when we make them think again.
I do believe that Turtleface is what he PREFERS to be called lol.
The payroll tax holiday seems like a horrendous idea. I apologize for the cut and paste:
2010Richard (RJ) EskowConsultant, Writer, Senior Fellow with The Campaign for America’s Future
Obama’s “Tax Holiday”: A Poison Pill for Social Security•
…It’s no accident that the “payroll tax holiday” was first proposed by sworn enemies of retirement benefits on the deficit commission. We should be asking ourselves: When tax breaks can be designed in so many different ways, why did they choose this way? Why single out the only source of Social Security’s funding? Could it be part of a long-term game plan?
Let’s play out a likely scenario if this deal is enacted:
The 2% tax holiday expires in 2012, an election year. Meanwhile the government debt will have increased by $120 billion, the amount that will be paid into Social Security to cover the cost of this “holiday.” Bear in mind: Never before in Social Security’s 75-year history has it taken any funds from the overall Treasury.It’s forbidden by law from adding to the deficit. That’s why it has its own trust fund, which currently holds a surplus of $2.6 trillion. That’s money the Federal government has borrowed, and which it’s morally (and legally) obligated to pay back so we can receive our retirement benefits.
Flash-forward to 2012: The “holiday” is set to end. Republicans aren’t likely to acknowledge that this was a temporary program, any more than they did with the Bush cuts. Any attempt to let the 2% cut expire will be spun as an “Obama tax hike” on the middle class. In order to believe this “holiday” is really temporary, you have to believe that Obama and other Democrats will be willing to take that kind of heat, under enormous pressure in an election year. Any takers?
Extending this 2% cut would gut Social Security’s finances forever. But whatever happens, look at what Social Security’s enemies will have accomplished:
The “lockbox” principle between Social Security and the overall budget will have been erased forever. A relatively small infusion of cash into the trust fund will be the poison pill that erases the “trust fund” principle. Once the program has contributed to the deficit, it’s no longer separately funded.
The enemies of Social Security will have painted a bull’s eye on its only source of funding. People will see it as a “new tax” — in a year when the economy’s not expected to have fully recovered.
They’ll be in a position to argue, once again, that “America can’t afford” to provide financial security for middle-class seniors.…
Last January:
Ignoring liberal Dems, Obama endorses longer payroll tax holiday through 2012 – TheHill.com
On Friday, Democratic Reps. Lloyd Doggett (Texas), Ted Deutch (Fla.) and Mark Critz (Pa.) sent a letter to all House Democrats saying the proposed extension “should trouble all who care about preserving” the funding stream for Social Security.
“Social Security’s popularity comes from the direct contributions of American workers, who pay into the system now and benefit when they retire or become disabled,” the lawmakers wrote. “Unless and until faith in Social Security has been restored to the American people through long-range solvency, short-sighted cuts to the program’s revenue stream must not be part of any debt ceiling or budget deal.”
Nov 28, 2011
Obama, Democrats begin push to expand payroll tax holiday
The vote on the proposed cut — which would slice payroll tax from 6.2% to 3.1% — is expected later this week and comes as a 2% payroll tax holiday enacted last year will expire on Dec. 31. Obama’s plan would also halve the tax paid by employers on the first $5 million of payroll.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/169077-ignoring-liberal-dems-obama-endorses-longer-payroll-tax-holiday
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2011/11/obama-democrats-begin-push-to-extend-payroll-tax-holiday/1
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/obamas-tax-holiday-a-pois_b_793526.html
It is true that the extension of the payroll tax cuts would help many Americans who would otherwise see their taxes go up, but this current plan to increase the amount of temporary tax cuts even more will do little to help the overall economy.
The Director of the Congressional Budget Office has said that the temporary increase in take-home pay would be saved rather than spent (eng.am/u9aS4F). There is no reason to believe that this measure will increase hiring. And, there is less reason to believe that this bill will be able to pass through our gridlocked Congress with these new permanent tax increases.
Not to mention that this latest version of the payroll tax holiday will add $250 billion to the deficit, according to the Tax Policy Center (eng.am/t4cD82).
Thanks. Certainly appropriate.
Which that same excuse has been used for the Bush/Obama Tax Cuts. When have we ever tax cut our way into prosperity? These tax cuts are of questionable value while at the same time definitely being an existential threat to Social Security, etc by either directly robbing revenue – like with the payroll tax – or indirectly to be used to off-set the tax cuts.
We are thinking alike. Tax cuts only help those with jobs. The problem is too many people don’t have jobs.
The rationale is that by giving those with jobs a little more cash they will spend it and increase demand, helping the economy. But in a recession people with jobs will tend to either pay down debt or save. That’s why Dayen says the payroll tax cut will only “marginally” help the economy.
For the last few days I’ve been listening to supposedly progressive talking heads (Maddow, Shultz, Hayes, Olbermann) talking about the Republicans’ weird behavior of opposing a tax cut and debating if it’s because they don’t like working people or just want to oppose Obama. Behind all this talk is the assumption that this Obama idea is a good thing and how could any reasonable person oppose it? To me this shows how much the Democratic agenda has been tainted by Neo-Liberal thinking. Everyone now accepts the Friedman philosophy that Keynes was an idiot and the only way to help the economy is to cut taxes.
I agree that this payroll tax cut is a bad thing. No one is talking about how it replaced a tax credit that did not mess with Social Security or how for the poorer working people it meant an increase in taxes. No one in the progressive talking head community is talking about how it is unnecessary if one wants to cut taxes for working people to do it by messing with Social Security.
Let’s get real here. All the Neo-Liberal tinkering is not going to change things. It all assumes that one just has to tinker enough so the fat cats will create jobs. But the fat cats have discovered they make more money by destroying jobs. We need to raise taxes and spend more. If we can’t raise taxes we need to borrow and spend more. I know that’s difficult with the present Republican control of both houses (yes, the minority controls the Senate.) But it’s never going to happen if the Democrats agree with the Republicans that the solution is cut taxes and balance the budget.
The ghost of FDR rolled over in his grave a long time ago. I think it’s now helping occupy.
Yes. The government needs to just create jobs. Remember real unemployment is 16% and that isn’t counting those in prison or those who joined the military because they couldn’t find a job.
People need to start taking note of the “liberals” who are for the payroll tax cut. They are your enemy. They are either really really stupid, or they are just politicians incapable of thinking beyond scoring points against the other side, or they are in some way on Peterson’s payroll.
The payroll tax cut is the death of Social Security. Up to this time the greatest strength of Social Security was that it did NOT contribute to the deficit, was not paid for by “the rich,” was not “welfare.” The workers paid for it themselves. It was the only way they had to save their own money for their own retirement, protected against inflation and market losses by the genius of pay as you go with wage indexing, and insured against personal bad luck from death, disability, or just failure to make enough money to save enough to retire.
Social Security was never in trouble itself. It could continue forever with no changes at all, or if future generations are going to live longer and want to retire at the standard of living of their own times, they would need to raise their own tax about one half of one tenth of one percent per year…. that’s about forty cents per week per year in today’s terms.
I don’t think the people are capable of stopping this. The enemy has too much money and is too well organized. And apparently if you offer people something “for free” too many of them are too dumb to turn it down.
Actually, what we are talking about is the undermining of Social Security in exchange for a pittance for the working poor. You do know that the entire Social Security payroll tax cut idea originated with Republican think tanks specifically as a way to erode the trust fund, convert Social Security from an earned benefit and set it up as just another welfare program so that it could be attacked, yes?
David, every post of yours that applauds or encourages this course of action literally makes my jaws tight. Had GW Bush proposed cutting the dedicated funding stream for Social Security, I can’t help but believe you would have recognized it for the folly that it is and opposed the measure at every turn. That you support it now under Obama leaves me wondering whether you are in fact a principled liberal or just another tribal Democrat. FSM knows that you get major pushback from us Firebaggers every time you travel this road.
I have repeatedly posted an excerpt from Luther Gulick’s “Memorandum on Conference with FDR Concerning Social Security Taxation, Summer, 1941” which contains FDR’s famous quote on the payroll tax. Either you have not seen those posts or you have otherwise decided that a politician as skilled as FDR didn’t really understand politics. Either way, your position on this matter is fundamentally wrong. As I posted in response to the execrable tribalist Dem Steve Kornaki at Salon earlier on this very issue:
Tax cuts don’t work. Allowing temporary tax cuts to expire as scheduled is not a tax increase. To argue otherwise is to argue from Republican ground.