In his Osawatomie, Kansas speech, an echo of Theodore Roosevelt’s 1910 address in the same city calling for a “New Nationalism,” President Obama gave a good summation of the social contract built up through generations and their government, and how conservative “you’re on your own” economics have broken that contract, created staggering inequality and a feeling of hopelessness among those not part of the 1%. He sought to reframe the concerns of the 99% as American values, with a particular emphasis on how this contrasts with Wall Street ethics, for which he saved his most substantive remarks. “For most Americans, the basic bargain that made this country great has eroded,” the President said, in recognition of the frustration and anger that has characterized our politics in the Obama era.
But this isn’t just another political debate. This is the defining issue of our time. This is a make or break moment for the middle class, and all those who are fighting to get into the middle class. At stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home, and secure their retirement.
Now, in the midst of this debate, there are some who seem to be suffering from a kind of collective amnesia. After all that’s happened, after the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, they want to return to the same practices that got us into this mess. In fact, they want to go back to the same policies that have stacked the deck against middle-class Americans for too many years. Their philosophy is simple: we are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules.
Well, I’m here to say they are wrong. I’m here to reaffirm my deep conviction that we are greater together than we are on our own. I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, and when everyone plays by the same rules. Those aren’t Democratic or Republican values; 1% values or 99% values. They’re American values, and we have to reclaim them.
That’s the thesis statement of the speech. And it does a good job of laying out the fundamental problem with our economy, although there is too much emphasis on structural unemployment arising from automation, and a focus on the “innovation economy.” But this was the first Presidential address maybe ever that simply said trickle-down economics do not work.
“The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes – especially for the wealthy – our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty.
It’s a simple theory – one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade.
For one of the first times ever, the President mentioned that two rounds of tax cuts passed by the Bush Administration in 2001 and 2003 created almost no jobs. He said that “Mortgage lenders … tricked families into buying homes they couldn’t afford” and that “irresponsibility and lack of basic oversight” on Wall Street “nearly destroyed our entire economy.” He recited the now-familiar economic statistics about inequality and how it corrupts, how the rich purchase politicians and have them do their bidding. He added stats about the creaking to a halt of upward mobility in this country.
I’m just not sure what the solutions expressed in the speech mean to provide. There’s a familiar focus on education, with the welcome line that “We shouldn’t be laying off good teachers right now – we should be hiring them.” There’s a focus on science and research and development, which makes sense. There’s a very good line about how building an economy on high-tech manufacturing rather than an outsized financial industry will attract the best and brightest to productive work, something I think needs to be stressed.
But then there’s this brag on how we have to live within our means and prioritize our deficit, the wrong message in a fragile economy when you can borrow at a negative interest rate. The first substantive plan in the speech is to cut the payroll tax, an anti-contractionary measure but not necessarily the stuff around which a New Deal is created. Obama does support returning progressivity to the tax code, in the form of returning the high-end tax rates to the Clinton years. But that stops short of transformation.
I was most interested in the section on financial reform, where there were two specific policy proposals. First, the President vowed to veto any alterations to the Dodd-Frank law sent to him by Congress. That includes the de-funding of the agencies set up to implement the law (of course, this has already been violated; the Commodity Futures Trading Commission budget, signed by the President, was slashed 1/3 from his initial request). Then there was this:
We shouldn’t be weakening oversight and accountability. We should be strengthening them. Here’s another example. Too often, we’ve seen Wall Street firms violating major anti-fraud laws because the penalties are too weak and there’s no price for being a repeat offender. No more. I’ll be calling for legislation that makes these penalties count – so that firms don’t see punishment for breaking the law as just the price of doing business.
That’s a new one. I assume he’s talking about the SEC request to increase their penalties. However, it’s bracing to hear the President talk about penalties being too weak and absorbed by Wall Street as the cost of doing business when the hallmark of his Administration has been an unwillingness to prosecute Wall Street for systemic fraud. Action will be needed before I’m convinced anything has changed. It’s good that he recognizes the trust deficit between Wall Street and Main Street; but he needs to know that too many in this country see Washington, and his Administration, on Wall Street’s side of the line.





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Great analysis, as per usual, thanks. Tweeted.
Exactly his problem. An outed Blue Dog in a Progressives clothing can’t promise again what he promised in 2008 or be allowed to ride the 99er’s coat tail and get the same resounding support. Well other than the 28% who back him regardless and the voters get to pick the less worse candidate once again.
Goddamnit I love it when my Democratic president chooses to quote Republicans and the wrong Roosevelt.
He’s always made good speeches. His actions speak far louder than his words, however.
Just another load of bullshit lies from The Untruthful One.
Permission to clap louder has been granted.
Over all I was pleased with the speech. He could have been harder on the right-wingers who stand in the way of progress.
It’s the first time Obama sounded like a Democrat since ’08. We’ll see what, if anything, he does about all this.
Occupy Obama!
So when is Obama going to be rolling out the smog regs that he had previously killed? Afterall it was just such logic that he says doesn’t work which was the justification for the smog regs being killed. Obama is just showing that talk is cheap and that he’ll go and sell you out in the nearest backroom.
A comment I put in The Huffington Post seems just a pointed here, to wit:
Well, that was a nifty display of speechifying. But the root of the economic inequality hasn’t been addressed and it never will be by this administration. As pointed out in last Sundays “60 Minutes”, this isn’t by accident. This is official DoJ policy. Over 300,000 illegals have been deported and marijuana clinics are being shut down nationwide, but not one Wall Street or bank executive has been charged for their part in the financial debacle. Read this eye-opening piece, it explains it all in sickening detail:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/07/theres-no-recovery-because-government.html
Does he even know how much trust has eroded? Not clear to me…even less that he cares.
EXCELLENT!!!
If anyone is taking bets on this, I’d like in on the action. The answer is simple to anyone that’s been paying attention.
Lucky for him I guess that most Americans can’t/don’t.
I don’t think he or his advisors have a clue.
Well that’s kinda
harshaccurate.All I get on that link is “Apologies the page you were looking for cannot be found. Perhaps a search would help.”
Or something like that.
Yawn!
Oh yeah!
And what about “how hard it is to get things done in Washington” and the magical “69 vote requirement in the Senate”? and yada yada yada.
fool me once, shame on me…. etc.
i won’t be fooled. (well, i didn’t vote for him in 2008, either)
He is so full of shit I’m surprised he hasn’t already exploded.
Heh. Yep, you can bet if there’s 60 votes for a real progressive policy, then it requires 61 to pass. And if there’s 69 votes there, then rest assured it takes 70 to pass.
Tax cuts for the rich, funding for the wars, and dismantling any and all social programs for the poor however only require 30 votes. Unless they don’t have 30 then it only requires 29. Gotta love all those Senate rules.
That was a nice speech. But, that damn little dog pulled back the curtain and we’ve all seen his act, now, for three years.
(Cue Bush) “Fool me once shame on me…..Uhh, no fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, uhh…If you fool me twice it’s your shame…..uhhhh….crap, I messed it up again.
I imagine over at DKos they are slobbering over this latest pack of lies. But I don’t see how anyone can do it, even if they are being paid.
So he is giving back all the money he got from corp and special interests and going with the five bucks from each of us? I’ll give him five when he has returned all the 1% money in his billion $ warchest.
For a splash of cold water so you can get back to reality: I recommend this post……..
http://my.firedoglake.com/burkey/2011/12/05/la-times-editorials-slam-occupy-wall-street-audio-response/
If you listen too long to Obama, you will give him permission to deliver your vote for him to Wall Street in the next election.
So let me get this straight after 3 years of doing NOTHING to stop rampant fraud and abuse on Wall Street, he is now because he is running for election admitting there is fraud and we need tougher regulations.
Does he think we are that stupid, and in fact the more he gives these speeches the more it will echo his 08 campaign and the more hollow it will sound to those that got fooled the first time.
The only reason he has the ball to go out and talk this BS is because he KNOWS we have a corrupt system and it is either him or some other sick jerk
“sick jerk” ? You are too kind.
Lucky that Pinocchio thing is just a fairy tale.
Once again Obama and his bots confuse saying something with doing something.
He’s still as worthless as nipples on a boar hog.
That’s why he gives these speeches. Spews out a bunch of bullshit to try and relieve some of the pressure built up.
oh o
(Cue Bush) OK, I got it now. Fool me once, shame on the fool. Damn it!
His speeches are designed to be clever lies.
I support tongue removal for all lying politicians. Require them to lie to us in sign language.
yes.
Or murderous mine operator. paging don balkenshit.
” In a world, where Obama becomes a populist…” Risible.
His rollback of the Social Security tax undermines the validity of the self pay system of Social Security. How populist is that?
If he was so worried about the common man, he would not have terrorized all of the older people about Social Security and Medicare for the last year or two by offering them up for cuts again and again. If he was so worried about the 99% he should have done something to prevent foreclosures and job losses. He should have created a Federal jobs program like FDR did.
His words don’t mean anything. His actions do.
If he was so worried about the middle class he would have found those comfortable shoes and showed up in support of the unions in WI.
He is a lying tool of the 1%.
Republicans and Democrats both hope for the same thing these days. That theres enough people that dont listen to what they say but instead are either ideological or stupid or whatever so they vote for them no matter what. Sadly its likely this asshole will be reelected again as theres really no competition. Although gingrich as president would be rather interesting.
Pleasant populist noises from a servant of Wall Street. The day after the inauguration we’ll be back to Grand Bargaineering.
Not all 1% are bad. I like to say hes a pawn of the oligarchy. I think that makes more sense.
leader:
HIM HIM
chorus:
FUCK HIM
LOL. Don’t spose you have a link for that…
Big Zero channeling his inner populist/progressive for a speech no longer moves me. Firing Timmeh! and Helicopter Ben, and watching Jamie Dimon and the rest of the Too Big To Fail honchos forced into perp walks are the least of the demands that must be met before I start listening to that lying asshole again.
Same old Bar’. Still making the noises a populist would make, and still not doing anything that his funders didn’t tell him to.
- Where are the prosecutions for mortgage fraud?
- Where are the prosecutions for financial fraud?
- Where is the end of all those tax breaks he decries?
I could go on, of course, but it’s mostly the choir around here…
LOL!
Well for example george soros is a 1%er. Worth around 10 billion. But hes been a crusader for democracy for a long time. Of course these days hes probably an obama whore but thats besides the point. Im not personally a socialist so i take some issue with the idea that theres something wrong with being rich. Then again i think the idea of taxing wealth at 99% is also idiotic. Thats why i say the oligarchy. Which is a bit more specific.
You know what they say, “misery loves company”, :-)
Gang…. shall we give him 1?
Actually, I found this quote on the internet: “Since the 1970s, George Soros has shown active involvement in philanthropy and social work.”
Excuse me: what the FUCK ever…
Obama’s a tool for the 1%. Period. THE END.
Whatever shit he’s spewing forth is utterly MEANINGLESS… that is, unless or until Zero decides to tell the truth for a change and say something like: Yeah, man, I’m a highly paid WHORE for the 1%. Buy some stock in KY bc bend over further and get ready to take it… suckahs! Only then would I *believe* whatever crap is coming out of his pie hole.
Bullshit!
I haven’t paid any attention to Soros since it became clear, as you put it, he’s an Obama whore.
My read on Soros is that all the MOTUs got together in a room. The discussion revolved around how to maintain the illusion of a 2-party (i.e., choice) system in U.S. Soros drew the short straw of having to defend the Ds, while they moved farther & farther right.
Wow! Tough room!
No.
“the idea of taxing wealth at 99% is also idiotic”
Let’s not confuse wealth with income. Income should be taxed at a higher rate than now.
Blah, blah, blah. We just got “speechified” again. Somebody give this man a hot air balloon.
ROFLMAO!
As Crocodile Dundee said “One What”?
LOL. You guiys are breaking me up!!!
I was just using soros as an example. My point is that not all 1%ers are obamabots. So to lump them all in to me doesnt make sense. Theres alot of wealthy people in this country frankly.
@Louis what i meant to say is taxing income over 100 million at 99% is idiotic. Which it is. Taxes obviously need to be higher in this country. The problem is the government is so corrupt and ineffecient that all that money goes nowhere. To the point where personally ive become more of a supporter of lower taxes.
Taxes are NOT the issue.
Responsible govt is.
Don’t accept your enemy’s framing.
The president who appointed Robert Rubin and Larry Summers as economic advisers and Timothy Geithner as Treasury Secretary has no standing to accuse others of amnesia regarding the roots of economic crises.
With national scrutiny bearing down on income equality, now is the perfect time for the federal government to support economic policy that actually protects and encourage the middle class.
But until we move off of insignificant legislation and stop protecting corporate interest over the common good, only then will any of our elected leaders have even a tiny chance of being called a populist supporter.
For starters, the President could simply prevent corporate fraud to the tune of nearly $200 billion dollars in misappropriated federal funds a year, if he were to issue a simple executive order prohibiting publicly traded companies from illegally receiving federal small business contracts.
Last year, for instance, federal contracting fraud was rampant. The American Small Business League conducted a report of the top 100 highest dollar small business contractors for Fiscal Year 2010. Of those 100 companies receiving the highest dollars in federal small business contracts for FY 2010, 60 were actually large corporations, including some of the largest Fortune 500 and Fortune 1000 corporations in the world.
Congress could also do something about this blatant abuse of the Small Business Act (which requires that 23 percent of all federal contracts must be awarded to small business) by passing H.R. 3184, “The Fairness and Transparency in Contracting Act”, which was introduced to the House in October by Georgia Rep. Hank Johnson and currently has 17 co-sponsors and resides in the House Small Business Committee. (click here to sign a petition in support of passing H.R. 3184).
Despite showing great promise at times, Barack Obama has relentlessly managed to attain uncertain, moderate, disappointing results.
But with intensified pressure on President Obama to fix our shambles of an economy, I’m hoping that the decade-long scandal of federal contracting fraud, which drains our middle class of nearly $200 billion in business a year, won’t go unnoticed for another 4 years.
Please visit the American Small Business League at http://www.asbl.com to learn more about federal small business contracting fraud
The only diff b/t a rich R and a rich D. When the R drives by the homeless in the street with their cardboard signs he says “FU”; when the D drives by on the way to the Kennedy center He says “how sad”.
This speech will be thrown into the dust bin of history the day after the election of 2012.
He’s laying the groundwork for his comeback 2016 campaign as the leader of a new party.
The guy’s a fucking asshole. Period.
There are no fucking solutions in the speech. Just platitudes. No promises — not even empty ones — of what he will do between now and 2012 — or in his next term, if he gets one.
It’s all talk and lies. Fuck him.
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gotta call a liar a liar -
here is what Obama said earlier this year re: investigations into financial fraud – “on the issue of prosecutions on Wall Street, one of the biggest problems about the collapse of Lehmans and the subsequent financial crisis and the whole subprime lending fiasco is that a lot of that stuff wasn’t necessarily illegal, it was just immoral or inappropriate or reckless”
here is what Obama said about regulation as he proposed a panel to cut government regulations -
“Despite a lot of heated rhetoric, our efforts over the past two years to modernize our regulations have led to smarter–and in some cases tougher–rules to protect our health, safety and environment…Yet according to current estimates of their economic impact, the benefits of these regulations exceed their costs by billions of dollars. This is the lesson of our history: Our economy is not a zero-sum game.”
&
a little unsolicited advice …
don’t encourage liars – don’t vote for liars
USG could save close to a trillion/year by stopping the 15+ wars it is waging.
Not gonna happen, any more than corp whores (aka pols) are going to stop supporting corp takeover of USG.
too little, too late.
This is candidate Obama again.
The country needed him to ACT on behalf of regular people starting January 2009, and he didn’t. Sounds more like pandering for votes now. “Oh, I just remembered, I’m supposed to care for regular people, I should say……”.
Enough already with the bs.
All obama speeches serve one purpose. To make obama feel good. Thats it. Nothing else. He knows hes lying through his teeth. And no matter how bad things are hell just make up excuses about why nothing can be done to fix them. The sad thing is theres alot of people that are gullible enough to vote for zero again. It reminds me so much of 2004 when dubya was reelected. So many people thought somehow he would be a good president in his second term and then were shocked when katrina happened and he was so awful. Its the exact same thing with zero.
That could pretty much be said of the entire dem party these days.
From one of your previous comments:
This is bullshit. Pure bullshit.
Lies and truth woven into a populist speech to please the left to get them to forget that Obama is the quarterback that gets you to the red zone only to either settle for a field goal (health and finance reform) or to give the ball to the other side and block for them as they score a touchdown (Bush Tax cuts extension).
In 2008 the speech would have been a positive for me – after 3 years of Obama doing a forget the left/the base because they have no place else to go, his election year conversion to populist just annoys.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-how-wells-fargo-nickel-and-dimes-clients-account-death#comments
great article just one more example of why he s a fraud and how the banks are robbing us. Well worth reading and should be posted on FDL. IMO
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you are right – and my intention was not to act on that advice with respect to a single liar – because there are plenty…don’t encourage liars – don’t vote for liars!
Well said!
On top of that I would just add that this is a President who has dissed his base quite publicly, at least twice. I don’t know of any President who has done that and for me, that makes it all the more personal.
Socialism still gives you the willies? The “treatment” was a success. The socialists I know in Europe and even some in the states are not opposed to some people being “rich.” Many rich people in countries that have socialist underpinnings say they are willing to pay heavy taxes because they don’t want to just be rich in a poor country. Not many oligarchs in the U.S. could say that.
O doesn’t care about the base. He’s after the rubes.
OWS IS A SCAM !
This is SICK.
People have been permanently INJURED… seriously INJURED… and put their lives on the line for a Corrupt Democratic political party ELECTION sham.
KG’s article from yesterday about OWS and the event in Washington that turns out to be sponsored by organized supporters of the Corrupt Democratic Party … and that those supporters have tried desperately to HIDE their sponsorship of this event.
This an elaborate show meant to PACIFY the American people and make it appear as though someone is standing up our corrupt government… when in fact their purpose is to protect the corrupt political establishment.
OWS is the most satanic scam ever by a corrupt political party. Peoples lives were put at rick for corrupt politicians and their corrupt political party.
This is beyond belief. SICK
More than annoys, I must say. I am angry – truly pissed that he would have the nerve to say those words to the people that he has so royally screwed in this country.
But this isn’t just another political debate. This is the defining issue of our time. This is a make or break moment for the middle class, and all those who are fighting to get into the middle class. At stake is whether this will be a country where working people can earn enough to raise a family, build a modest savings, own a home, and secure their retirement.
That is why I have done nothing about fraudclosure, said nothing about the FED keeping interest rates low destroying savings, kept mum on collective bargaining rights being destroyed, because I have been chosen to break the middle class and anyone that is fighting to prevent this will be beaten, arrested, and jailed.
Sod. Off.
“what i meant to say is taxing income over 100 million at 99% is idiotic. Which it is. Taxes obviously need to be higher in this country. The problem is the government is so corrupt and ineffecient that all that money goes nowhere. To the point where personally ive become more of a supporter of lower taxes”
Guess you bought a bit of Fox News lies and nonsense about “corrupt and inefficient” gov – sort of ignores the fact the gov can run Medicare and VA health as the best in the world (not as 37th in the world as is the case for private insurance) and at a cost of 3to 4% of income versus private insurance running at a cost of 30% to 15% of income. Guess the fact the real waste is the military and intel – which the low tax folks will never cut – is not important. Guess bridges, roads, dams and other infrastructure will be built by the private sector.
The “corrupt and inefficient” description applies to the private sector with its “relationship” management and “legacy” hires – folks with only modest merit (but who tell you they work hard and deserve every dime) ignoring the larger talent of Americans coming from families not previously connected (curious since the legacy types like to relate to non-Americans) – it was private sector “corrupt and inefficient” in the investment banks controlled by the Fed but which Greenspan refused to regulate that caused the financial mess around the world – and not one of those legacy types even missed a beat on their multi-million dollar bonuses. Gov “corrupt and inefficient” behavior is so minor as to be ignored except for the fact that the rich and corporate controlled media is highlighting it whenever they think they found some – so as to take the minds of the 99% off the fact the 1% is screwing them.
Thats your reply?
Shows what kind of person you are.
This is sick beyond belief and thats all you have to say?
I am a lifelong liberal/progressive and and an ex-Democrats who re-registered as an Independent. I cannot believe what has happend to my former party. This is just beyond belief.
‘night, pupses dears
your
ohmmmm
I thought it was a good reply, seeing as that you’re excoriating OWS, the only good thing that has happened lately. Co-opting OWS should be condemned, but not OWS itself.
And my real name is John Holmes.
Typical Obamabot response. You dont refute anything I said… all you have is Obamabot.
This is what’s become of the the Democratic party.
All the facts refute your claim that OWS is a cunning Dem party distraction.
I posit the opposite frankly.
In Denver MoveOn.org has been somewhat radicalized and is split, because of Occupy Denver.
Last Thursday a bunch of MoveOn-ers stormed Diana DeGette’s office and demanded to know “Whose Side Are You On?”
So I say that OWS is co-opting politics, irrespective of party or organization affiliation, much to the parties and organizations chagrin.
The toothpaste is out of the tube, and it ain’t going back in.
Occupy the Capitol is NOT an OWS event. It is an attempt by the liberal groups listed to co-opt the OWS mantra for their own purposes.
The OWS actions are the march on Washington and Occupy Washington D.C.
OWS is not a sham.
OWS USED people… caused people to be seriously injured and permantetly injured… all for an ELECTION SCAM!
This is sick beyond belief.
Thank you, David, for doing what I can’t (listen to this stuff)- enjoyed your parsing here:
“But then there’s this brag on how we have to live within our means and prioritize our deficit, the wrong message in a fragile economy when you can borrow at a negative interest rate. The first substantive plan in the speech is to cut the payroll tax, an anti-contractionary measure but not necessarily the stuff around which a New Deal is created.”
Nicely put, though I don’t agree with that “anti-contractionary” description – see, it all depends on what you are contracting, doesn’t it? But okay, we’re getting there.
You know, this is par for the course with Obama, who began by riding Lincoln’s train to his inauguration. (See, I’m just like this guy.
Well, I’ve read enough history about Theodore Roosevelt to know this, sir.
You are not him.
You just don’t get it then.
These people hate paying taxes and will do anything to avoid them. When you tax at 90% you give them plenty of deductions and that’s the trick because they spend instead of paying taxes which drives the economy.
If anything is sick beyond belief, it’s your take on OWS. See Kelly’s reply.
OWS participated and had people from all over the country come in for this event… knowing full well that the sponsors were organized supporters of the 1% owned Corrupt Democratic party… and that their identity was being kept secret.
Participation in this event was NOT forced on them… they chose to participate.
This is beyond belief.
To be effective in busting up the ruling oligarchy, the president must act on Inauguration Day: He or she must declare martial law, suspend the Constitution (formally, that is), make sure he or she won’t be assassinated, and guarantee that his or her successor cannot reverse his or her executive orders.
Wake me when Steve Croft can find the Obama DOJ prosecuting a bankster. Talk isn’t enough. Talk got him elected. It may not get him reelected.
The “leaders” of this organizatin are a scam.
The “followers” have been USED in the sick scam.
KC’s obamabot comments mean NOTHING.
I’ll believe Obama is a populist the day he instructs Bernanke to open up a 7 Trillion dollar 0% loan window for the American public regardless of their liquidity or solvency.
Until then, he is the Trojan Horse Democrat who can hardly contain his excitement at being the one to disembowel all the safety nets under the guise of “austerity”.
I’m an Obamabot? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
That is hands down the funniest thing I’ve read today!
OK, then. This is going nowhere. Case closed. Have a good day.
It’s a one note troll. Flag. Then scroll.
Remember all the talk about Obama loving Lincoln and emulating him by including the opposition? We don’t hear much anymore about the Obama/Lincoln connection. Obama would have dealt with the Civil War by offering the new territories as slave-holding states. Obama is no Lincoln.
Obama as progressive? See “Transparency and the Cornhusker deal”. See “Environment (smog)”.
Obama as liberal? See “Social Security is on the table”. See “Civil Rights sliding way downhill”.
Obama as populist? See “FDR takes on Wall Street”.
There comes a time when a person hears and sees what another says and does, then comes to the realization that the other is full of shit when he opens his mouth. See “Obama is full of shit”.
I wonder when independentvoternews registered at FDL. Anybody know? When he’s calling Econobuzz an Obot it makes me think IVN is a plant. Maybe a carrion plant.
Zinn’s Lincoln is the one who would not let the south secede bc he was a power monger who didn’t want to lose territory during his rule, hated AAs and wanted them all deported to Liberia.
Zinn’s Lincoln is the one who sent troops off the Gettysburg battlefield to violently suppress a strike.
Zinn’s Lincoln is the one who gave away Indian land to RR monopolies.
Zinn’s Lincoln is the one who made land grants too expensive ($200 minimum) for 99ers, so only vultures could buy them up, subdivide them, and make a killing.
Zinn’s Lincoln is the one who instated protective tariffs for mfgrs, making cost of living higher for 99ers.
Sounds a lot like O.
too little. too late.
This is candidate Obama again.
Kinda looks and sounds that way.
So Barack Obama who clearly,wilfully and repeatedly since Jan.20,2009 has not been what he claimed to be during 2008 WH election now wants to dress up in pro OWS politics and grab some TR histronics.
OWS surely has seen very little support (vocal or legal or moral) from Obama and his D Party run WH over the past three months. So now Obama and his WH re-election handlers and gurus think they can hijack OWS politics and convert them into D Party propaganda? Good luck with that Big Lie.
Barack Obama had a clear sheet of paper on his Oval Office Desk on Jan.21,2009 on which he could have outlined what was going to happen to Bush/Cheney and their war crimes,torture and deluded American imperialism pursuits across west and central Asia.
What was going to happen to Wall Street and the Big Banks.
What was going to happen to Americans facing lost homes,jobs and social/economic security.
What was going to take place to bring about real American healthcare reform and evolution towards Medicare For All.
What was going to take place at the Pentagon and CIA towards downscaling them or defunding them while regaining sanity as to what American militarism was not going to be or would be allowed to be.
Could have told his AG — Eric Holder — that No One Was Untouchable and Everyone Was Accountable and Liable for dubious conduct, imagined and desired larceny,grifting and fraud or for doing them and it being done.
What was going to be done to lift the bottom two thirds of Americans as measured by income and household wealth and to lower the top third of Americans greed,takes and holds that have come about since 1980.
Could have declared that he was very fond of what FDR-Democrat had done during the 1930′s that while imperfect pointed to where Barack Obama was going to go. If the R’s did not like it — too damn bad. And if little or none of this lined up with Saint Ronald Reagan political delusions or governance malpractices too damn bad.
Well we know what Barack Obama did with that clean sheet of paper. BO has a record as POTUS and for being in a D Party run WH since Jan.20,2009.
He may now seek to dress up in OWS politics and try to skate on some TR histronics but that is all too little,too late.
Barack Obama owns what befell Bradley Manning.
Barack Obama owns not taking Bush and Cheney to Political/Legal Hell.
Barack Obama owns ACA. Owns letting Wall Street/Big Banks off hook(s).
Barack Obama is now a War Criminal.
Barack Obama is now the face of American Militarism and Global Hegemonism.
Too little. Too late. No evident personal or political integrity.
Stealing OWS politics now to gain re-election? Pure fraud. Pure deception.
Taking the WH back from Barack Obama in November 2012 is good politics.
Voting Barack Obama out of the WH in November 2012 is a valid political goal.
Barack Obama has betrayed too many too often. Let him know it.
He/she has been around awhile. You just click on a screen name to get all the available info, comment history, diaries, profile, etc. IVN is a third party guy, and has said he’d vote for a candidate from OWS. He/she should probably wait to get more facts about the event he is complaining about.
Good points, but on the issue I raised of expanding slavery to the territories, Lincoln was initially opposed and remained opposed, i.e., he never put that on the table. I did not mean to imply he was a saint or even a progressive.
Well, I just saw Robert Reich on Countdown and he went all ga-ga on Obama. Wow, one speech and his recent criticism goes does the drain and he’s all excited about the President again. “This is just like 2008!” Yeah, dunderhead, it is, and 2013 will be just like 2009. ::rolls eyes::
Practicing for my Zinn diary. Getting sound bites down to fewest possible words.
I’m no Lincoln expert, but am a person who reflexively distrusts anyone who every one else idolizes. Zinn is the first person I’ve run across who ever didn’t ideologize Lincoln.
Sorry to step on your toes with my own agenda.
IDV, Occupy never formally at a G.A. decided to do the Occupy the Capitol. But Occupy is a grass roots movement and of course some Occupiers would be tricked and participate.
Greenwald explains it well. Back then they were calling this faux Occupy event, “Occupy the Congress:”
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/19/heres_what_attempted_co_option_of_ows_looks_like/singleton/
Reich, like Moore, is a useful fool.
Both have an important role to play, but neither is a savior. And both have sides that are mockable.
Remember Reich was Clinton’s right-hand (heh) man.
I think you’re getting the Zinn thing down very well – practice makes perfect :) And no problem here with stepping on my toes. I’m still in my Raymond Massey as Lincoln days/daze.
Amen! So true. But this progressive who got fooled in ’08 won’t get fooled again. I’ll vote third party. Whichever one has a candidate with whom I actually agree most of the time.
IOW, I’ll vote FOR somebody, at least mostly, instead of AGAINST the greater of two evils, which isn’t all that more evil than the lesser one.
If I may add, Zinn’s Lincoln was the one who let wealthy fathers pay the Treasury a few hundred bucks(quite a lot at the time) to buy their sons’ exemptions from the draft.
You’re right about that. Lincoln was always opposed to expanding slavery to the remaining territories. It’s a good analogy to how Obama has consistently dealt with the Republicans in Congress on every major financial or economic issue.
IOW, Obama is to Wall Street in our time as Buchanan was to the slave power in his time. Initially, Lincoln wanted to contain slavery rather than destroy it. But you can’t say Obama even wants to contain Wall Street and global corporatism. You can say that he has sought or at least allowed it to expand, just as Buchanan chose to allow slavery to expand.
That ended well.
We don’t have an issue with people being rich. We have an issue with people using their riches to exert influence over our economic and social policies in ways that benefit very few at the expense of the majority.
The 1% isn’t just about money. It’s about power and influence.
Well, OK, but I take it for granted that everyone knows that, while not everyone knows the rest of the stuff that Zinn reports about Lincoln.
Nice! I’ve got to think about your point.
If he uttered FDR from his lips he’d burst into flames. FDR was a man, Obozo not so much.
Pretty words, but as long as Geithner is in charge of monetary policy it is just Obama pandering
I fondly remember candidate Obama giving us the Hope and Change mantra four years ago…looking back, his theme must have come from the various focus groups his campaign held around the country to latch on to the campaign theme. Now they don’t need a focus group to see the middle class getting fucked over by the 1% and on the verge of disappearing. I excitedly voted for Hope/Change/Obama after contributing money…After the past three years of Obama, now he seems like a Snake Oil Salesman. Today he is pulling out the Snake Oil again with a different branding. Unfortunately, his Snake Oil is the only alternative to the Toxic Waste of the Greedy One Percent (GOP) candidate. So we will all be forced to buy Obama Snake Oil once again. We have no choice and the lesser of two evils wins again.
dog and pony show….
I’ll vote for Obama when his DOJ starts throwing banksters in jail, and his SEC breaks up TBTF banks.
At this rate, he might get my vote in about 2040.
2012? Forgetaboutit!
I wonder who he thinks has been President the last 3 years. He sounds upset that he has discovered the middle class and poor have been shit on the last 3 decades, and by God someone should do something about that.
Important to remember he just sounds that way though – when given a once-in-a-generation opportunity to do something about it, he sells the country down the river to the private insurance industry and cuts health care deals with the Billy Tauzin he railed against on the campaign trail for Bush doing that.
It was darkly humorous to me to hear him say that he bailed out the financial industry by throwing lots and lots of money at them, but that part of the deal was that they wouldn’t go back to their bad behaviour, and now they’re back at their bad behaviour. Well no, if that was actually part of the deal it would have been in writing and enforced, so therefore they wouldn’t be able to go back to their bad behaviour. Duh. I guess he had good intentions but gosh, he just forgot to get it in writing as he was installing Tim the Enchanter at Treasury and Larry the Economic Imploder…
I’m the second.
LibWing
I just had someone tell me that OWS hired a firm to handle getting “corporate sponsorship”.
Do you know anything about that…?
I’m wondering how those that were permanetly injured and severly injured at OWS events would feel about that?
Oh… and thanks for the link.
Not me… I will never again vote for a Corrupt Democrat or a Corrupt Republican.
78% of Independents favor a third-fourth-fifth party candidate to run against the Corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans. I am one of the 78%.
I refuse the political party brainwashing and propaganda. I can think for myself.
And I stand up for what I believe in.
While Obama does a good imitation of Martin Luther King when he gives a speech; he unfortunately does a GREAT imitation of George W. Bush when he acts as president.
I wouldnt vote for one now… the whole thing turned out to be a corrupt political party scam.
Once I’ve been played… thats it… never again.
While your point is valid – a sale I wanted to make was killed by the gov who suggest I sell up the chain to IBM who would resell to the gov – I don’t see how it fixes much more than a bit of corruption.
The welfare contracts to the corporations of the rich for employees to do the work of Federal employees and military at twice the cost so that the Hill can claim gov employment is being cut and Gov is thereby “smaller” is a major villain. Toys for boys military contracts for unneeded items sold because parts used to build the toy are made in every state so it is an employment bill is a major villain. Lack of taxes on the rich, and on their corporations, is a major villain. CIA secret funding/corporations/bank accounts overseas -bribes and such to advance both political and business interests – are a major villain.
Small business contracts need a fix beyond the NSA/CIA/Pentagon meet and greets to introduce you to the upstream company that will take 75% of your profit. But it is not a big deal.
I give this latest Obama/Plouffe/Axelrod effort at “triangulation” about 2 days of Rachel Maddow-level giddiness before the realities of reality reintroduce the giddy to reality.
Frankly, I find the whole exercise ridiculous. The fact that Obama/Plouffe/Axelrod feel the urgent need to pitch their “it’s not us or our economy, it’s those other guys” narrative this far ahead of any actual voting screams terror within the virtual cubicles of OFA and the White House.
It is, lastly, a tragedy that institutional interests quashed any chances of there being a primary challenge to Obama. Whether Obama and company believe it or not, his failing approval/favorability ratings are the natural result of people who are not “DFHs” realizing that their retirement nest egg, their homes’ value, their income and their general livelihood has not improved with Obama at the helm. Regardless of how much of these conditions can be laid at Obama’s doorstep, reasonably and rationally, is open to debate. But as we all know, the voters O/P/A are chasing respond to emotional appeals because they are driven by and make decisions based on emotional “investment”. In this category with these voters, Obama’s ratings can’t be any more inspiring that are John Huntsman’s among GOPer/TeaBaggers.
Spending $1 billion only to lose will be one of several terrible wastes.
Ah, sing, sweet-siren, but I will no longer be seduced. For you see, I have become immune to the thrill of your populist vigor on the stump, your oh-so-passionate claims that you are one of us.
You are not. You are a hack. You are in the bag for the 1%. And you prove it with your actions seemingly every week.
I have not yet chosen my write-in candidate, but I will, if only to show the Democratic Party that I will never again be taken by a broken promise-maker. They deserve a lesson, and I’m afraid they are going to get another one.
And that breaks my heart all the more. Oh, how thoroughly you have eff-ed the hopes of this country….
His actions speak so loud I can’t hear a word he’s saying.
Obama said similar bullshit in 2008 during the campaign. Nothing has changed. Same bullshit, different election.
I am so stealing that line from you…with your permission, of course :)
Yep, would have been a great speech from a candidate for president, not so much from someone whose nearly three years of actions contradict the words.
The criticism of the Bush tax cuts for producing slow job growth and massive deficits might mean more coming from someone who hadn’t extended those cuts for an additional two years, at least.
The call to end outsourcing might mean more from someone who hadn’t already signed three free-trade agreements and was in the process of negotiating several more.
Speaking out against the fraudulent practices in the financial sector might mean more from someone whose so-called Justice Department hadn’t spent the last three years looking the other way, meanwhile launching a full-scale investigation into food stamp fraud. So much for the rhetoric about “everyone playing by the same rules.”
And as Mr. Dayen pointed out, the words about vetoing anything that would de-fund financial reform might mean more from someone who hadn’t already signed the appropriations bill which does exactly that.
Sorry, Mr. President. I bought your snake oil once, it won’t happen again.
He thinks his words are actions.
No, he doesn’t, but his supporters do.
He always sounds like a Democrat when he’s campaigning. He always acts like a Republican.
You know, our mindsets are not all that different. I would urge you to consider that OWS will fnd ways to use, not be used by, the “liberal” groups we both detest. Give them a chance, and we’ll see, they’ve done great so far. This stuff is tricky, as you well know.
He’s full of it, but it’s a good sign the Occupy protests and related actions are having an effect. Not that they’ll make him fight for us, but he can’t pretend that America’s greatest problem is the deficit, and the answer is austerity, any longer. So, he has to admit the truth, though he will continue business as usual because he’s at best a status quo politician and at worst a manipulative, deceitful, corrupted (whatever Goldman Sachs and my bank pals want, I’ll do) blue dog Democrat. Keep up the fight, he hasn’t changed.
“Fool me once, go fuck yourself.”-Confucius
If the event had been sponsored by Republican ORGANIZED support groups… would you be saying that? We both know the answer to that.
If the event had been sponsored by the Kotch Bro’s would you be saying that… we both know the answer to that.
What many people dont seem to realize is that BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are totally corrupt. Neither party can be saved. Both serve the 1%… and the American people KNOW that.
OWS’s claims of being “grassroots” has now been laid bare… as FALSE. They intentionally misrepresented themselves… how do you think those permanently and seriously injured in their events would feel about all of this fake misrepresentation…?… and HIDING organized sponsores… the whole thing is sick.
As far as I can tell from my research there is no attempt by OWS to get corporate sponsorship.
This is what is going on. Ben & Jerry, a very progressive company, made a statement expressing solidarity with OWS.
This was enough for the snarkers who defend Wall Street, like the WSJ, to start a shit storm about OWS seeking corporate sponsorship. They started writings nonsense pieces about which corporations should sponsor OWS.
It’s all a lot of nonsense.
Fool me once, shame on you and you aren’t going to fool me again, Mr. Obama. Nice try. In fact, an excellent TRY.
Your first three paragraphs are entirely correct. As to the last, I think you are trying too hard to make the argument. Let’s see it play out. Recall the scene from Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, where the sheriff’s attempt to raise a posse is co-opted by the bicycle salesman? I look for something similar here. We’ll see. BTW, if you give up on OWS, where do you turn next? They are the closest thing to heroes we have right now, don’t be so quick to give up on them.
They’re frauds…not heros. They are a Democratic party front… a sick election year scam…. and their followers are unfortunate dupes in the scam.
There is no way a real grassroots group would have participated in the Washington event knowing that the sponsors of the event had intentionally HIDDEN their identity… if they were legit. NO WAY.
And another thing. The group has claimed itself to be “leaderless”… thats a bald face LIE. This was done to keep secret the identity of the leaders so as to hide who they really are.
This whole thing is TOTALLY organized and coordinated… otherwise it would never have been possible.
It’s a sick SCAM… and they have USED their duped followers in a corrupt political party scheme.
BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are corrupt to the core… they are the enemy of the American people… the enemy within. WAKE UP.
I disagree with both your vehemence and your certainty. You used to say you supported OWS, so, who do you support now?