Former Senator Jon Corzine faces a House Agriculture Committee panel today, where he will testify that he doesn’t know “where the money is” from customer accounts that was used by his former company, MF Global, to trade on the company account.
Joe Weisenthal points us in the direction of Corzine’s testimony, which he will give without pleading the 5th Amendment, despite still being liable for criminal charges in the MF Global case. Here’s the key section:
Obviously on the forefront of everyone’s mind – including mine – are the varying reports that customer accounts have not been reconciled. I was stunned when I was told on Sunday, October 30, 2011, that MF Global could not account for many hundreds of millions of dollars of client money. I remain deeply concerned about the impact that the unreconciled and frozen funds have had on MF Global’s customers and others.
As the chief executive officer of MF Global, I ultimately had overall responsibility for
the firm. I did not, however, generally involve myself in the mechanics of the clearing and
settlement of trades, or in the movement of cash and collateral [...]I simply do not know where the money is, or why the accounts have not been reconciled to date. I do not know which accounts are unreconciled or whether the unreconciled accounts were or were not subject to the segregation rules. Moreover, there were an extraordinary number of transactions during MF Global’s last few days, and I do not know, for example, whether there were operational errors at MF Global or elsewhere, or whether banks and counterparties have held onto funds that should rightfully have been returned to MF Global. I am sure that the trustee in bankruptcy, the SIPC receiver, and the regulators are working to answer these questions and to understand precisely what happened during the firm’s last days and hours.
This is the crux of the problem, for which Corzine faces legal exposure. The CFTC just banned the practice of using depositor funds for trading with the company account, but that doesn’t mean MF Global didn’t break any laws.
There’s also an amusing section where Corzine has to explain away all the contacts he had with federal regulators in social settings over the past few months. Corzine admits to meetings with CFTC head Gary Gensler, his former colleague at Goldman Sachs, as well as having Gensler in to guest lecture his class at Princeton, seeing him at a conference put together by an investment bank, and a chance meeting at a friend’s wedding. There’s an insight here into the global elite, and in this case, the two members of the elite in question are supposed to be on opposite sides of the law. Matt Taibbi wrote about this yesterday:
Both Corzine and Gensler worked at Goldman back in the day, and the word is that Corzine personally lobbied Gensler to delay the implementation of new rules that would have helped prevent Corzine from raiding his own clients’ funds.
This whole issue smacks of the improper communications between other former Wall Street co-workers like Hank Paulson and Lloyd Blankfein. More and more, it appears that, as a matter of routine, federal regulators like Paulson (in 2008) and, later, Gensler reach out to old friends on Wall Street to negotiate/discuss the timing and the form of various policy changes, bailouts, and other regulatory matters. Inside information seemingly is traded with remarkable casualness.
This is one of those issues where there’s no point in calling for more regulations. No matter what laws we have, we can’t have regulatory heads breezily chatting about their enforcement plans with former co-workers who have huge financial interests resting upon their decisions.
I imagine Corzine will face tough questioning today from members on both sides of the aisle. But the system needs a pretty thorough review as well.




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Check this out: “Regarding Corzine, also former co-chairman of Goldman Sachs (GS), Koutoulas harbors strong views; few of them fit to print. “He’s a Wall Street bond trader, not a futures guy. That’s what ruined it. He’s an alien invader. He personifies what is wrong with Wall Street and what is wrong with this country.”"
This is another one of those I got paid big bucks, but I was not involved, have no idea how it worked, had no clue what was going on, blah, blah
You’re so correct. Those masters of the universe are so smart when they are justifying their obscene pay packages, and then they are just plain fucking stupid they screw up.
Blah! He sure knew the money was coming in!
Not knowing anything is what qualifies you to make millions of dollars a year. Wake up, girl, we’ve been doing it wrong. /s
Is the hearing going to be one cspan or streamed, anyone know?
I’m sure it depends on the meaning of the word “know.”
Here is the live stream:
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Fmr-Senator-Corzine-to-Testify-in-MF-Global-Investigation/10737426111-1/
Here’s the cspan link.
If I can keep the tired away I’d like to watch it.
Let’s not forget those asking the questions get lots of money from the banks. What a farce. They are robbing and killing us and laugh at how easy it all is.
Can’t say that enough. TWOOPH!
This story should be merged with David’s post, so we can keep all the BS in one place
http://my.firedoglake.com/iflizwerequeen/2011/12/08/corruption-and-crony-capitalism-in-washington-is-worse-than-many-realize/
Can we live blog this hearing here?
Interesting that Gensler decided to recuse himself.
Try pulling that off after getting busted for holding a couple of joints.
It’s amazing how clueless people become when their freedom and money depend it.
For myself, after reading that, I’d fire him. if the market hadn’t already done that for me. And I sure wouldn’t hire him for any job with more responsability than groundskeeper.
Boxturtle (Gonzo got a job at a University, afteer pleading ignorance. Sad)
He’ll come out of this without a scratch. After all, he’s a member in good standing of that untouchable bankster class.
Uh-Oh, not part of oversight of CFTC!
Opposite sides schmoozing…
Reminds me of, say, Boehner and Cantor golfing and horsing around with Obama and Biden. All smiles and jokes, in serious times.
Yep. No indefinite detention for him!
“If MF Global uses millions of its clients’ money making investments in foreign debt and incurs a loss, are they liable?”
“I don’t know.”
It is mind blowing that he recuses himself after the fact and not before. He should be endlessly mocked by the media for it. And he should be brought up on ethics charges, since by his recusal he himself shows that he himself thinks recusal appropriate, yet he did not recuse himself at the outset and so is guilty of a conflict of intrest. His behavior is self-indicting. What a farce America has become.
Of course he did. he also knew that money could only come from customer accounts. But proving that will be tricky, unless we can get somebody below him to roll for a lighter sentance.
And there will be charges in this case. He didn’t just steal from the 99%, some of the loot came from the 1%. He violated the “honor among thieves” unwritten law.
Boxturtle (Plus, Obama will have to show how tough he is when the GOP goes after DEMOCRAT Corzine)
They reported being under capitalized, and when capitalized for risk exposure. However, nobody knows where that capital went.
Finance system traces transfers, but nobody can find the money that is supposed to be in the accounts.
How many companies are engaging in practices of too many transactions for us to understand?
Blah, blah, blah.
Lessons will be learned.
100% pure weapons grade Bolognaium. He knows EXACTLY what the law is, you think in all those meetings with lawyers they discuss sitcky buns?
Boxturtle (It’s sad that no Congresscritter will make him eat that. He’s under oath)
CFTC spokeswoman: “There will be lessons learned.”
This hearing seems like great fodder for mockery by Stewart or Colbert or Taibbi. Sgt Schultz: I know nothing.
Corzine:
This is exactly why I always say that particular individuals should be punished when shit like this happens.
It’s not that I think that the problem amounts to “a few bad apples.”
It’s that the a$$holes making the bad decisions and engaging in criminal behavior need to see their peers punished for the shit they do.
The alternative is to screw over everyone involved except for the greedy bastards who made the mess.
Shouldn’t Corzine and the inner circle be the ones who bear “the brunt of the impact of the firm’s bankruptcy”?
Love the passive voice.
Alternative! Nah, that is their mode of operation.
What’s a few hundred millions between friends? That’s small change for the 1%.
Yes. But since we don’t have a DOJ, and we have a precedence with TBTF it won’t happen.
Here’s Ian Welsh this morning:
“Because the Fed cut them off. That is all. Yes, they were doing shady things, but no more shady than many other companies that didn’t get cut off. If you are a financial firm, you need the essentially free money the Fed provides. With it, you can make money, without it, you can’t. Once the Fed cut them off, everything else was just the thrashing around of a dying firm.
I would assume, and lay long odds, that someone at the Fed didn’t like Corzine.
Yes, this is how your “economy” works.”
http://www.ianwelsh.net/why-mf-global-collapsed/
We’ll do better next time. Can’t we just move on?
Meanwhile, CEOs like Corzine think they’re the most important people who deserve to make millions and millions while their employees are barely making a living.
The corporation fails (i.e. its employees and customers are screwed), while the rich bastards who caused its failure get to walk away with millions of dollars.
I made that claim a while back. Corzine rubbed the wrong person the wrong way.
I’m sure glad Obama is in the White House to rid us of crony capitalism! /s It sounds like Gensler should be behind bars as well as Corzine. Given how Corzine personally lobbied his Goldman buddy on segregating funds and Corzine personally got the MF Global’s Chief Risk Officer overruled, Corzine has gotta know where the money went…he might not know specific bank account numbers, but given all his personally involvement, he’s gotta know in general at least. I wonder how long it will take to find out what other damage Gensler has done?
Maybe, but I’d bet that this is just the first of many to fall.
Brilliant post at Zerohedge today:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/why-uk-trail-mf-global-collapse-may-have-apocalyptic-consequences-eurozone-canadian-banks-jeffe
Word of the day: Re-hypothecation.
Next time around the Obama admin will use intermediaries intead of leaving such an obvious trail.
So Corzine’s testimony amounts to him falling on his sword rather than say publicly what’s really going on?
We need a new national lottery. Put all the shady financial people and regulators in a pool, and assign each a number. Then have a televised drawing. The holder of the winning number gets to live. Repeat as necessary.
If there is a next time around.
Former Democratic Senator from New Jersy… former Democratic governor of New Jersy… and major Democratic Party campaign contributor and Democratic party fundraiser… Jon Corzine.
When MF Global decalared bankruptsy… a lot of money was missing [1.2 billion and counting]…
BUT one of the firms largest and longest term investors was allowed to withdraw and transfer ALL of their money from MFG just before the bankruptsy… thereby insuring they lost no money [not one penny]… unlike all the other investors who had their accounts frozen and will end up loosing large amounts of money.
WHO WAS THAT INVESTOR…?
On 3. 1…2…3…
THE KOTCH BROTHERS !
Do you have a link?
Can’t argue with you there. Great read from Tyler.
Thanks for that link. Highly recommended reading.
Saw the HuffPo piece when it came out.
Thanks.
Well now, that is truly the shit cherry on top of the shit sundae.
Thanks ghost…you beat me to it.
BOTH the Democrats and Republicans are totally corrupt and they are working hand in hand to LOOT the country.
Wow, I wish I could be a CEO, paid billions of dollars. I’m qualified too, because I don’t know anything.
No one likes Corzine in the 1% so you are correct, PTB sitting around a big table saying “We gotta have a fall guy like Milken during our last scam”.
BTW Milken is doing just fine now. My daughter used to run on the track he donated to a high school in Burbank. His name is at the finish line.
This is a violation of Sarbanes Oxley, and is a felony. If Corzine is not apprehended and charged I don’t see any reason to believe there is rule of law in this country any more.
Title III consists of eight sections and mandates that senior executives take individual responsibility for the accuracy and completeness of corporate financial reports. It defines the interaction of external auditors and corporate audit committees, and specifies the responsibility of corporate officers for the accuracy and validity of corporate financial reports. It enumerates specific limits on the behaviors of corporate officers and describes specific forfeitures of benefits and civil penalties for non-compliance. For example, Section 302 requires that the company’s “principal officers” (typically the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer) certify and approve the integrity of their company financial reports quarterly.
There are other qualifications.
For example, you have to be shameless and soulless, have an overinflated ego and sense of self-importance, and have an inexplicable need to possess more money than God (i.e. be deluded enough to think you’re the MOTU).
Do you have any idea why no one likes Corzine? Was there a particular incident? Is it his personality?
I also recall seeing in passing that he was fired from GS. I have no idea if that is accurate. Do you have any idea? And if so, why.
“MF Global was rated as investment grade by Moodys 10 days before bankruptcy.”
Don’t have specifics but the fact that he is the sacrificial lamb at this point is evidence enough and I believe anyone who can become Governor of New Jersey deserves our approbation. (just sayin)
I think he will be the Milken or Keating of this episode of robber barons gone wild.
Thanks. I agree that Corzine is scapegoat. Just wondering what he might have done to be bestowed that honor. :-)
Someone who comments here said he worked at Goldman when Corzine was CEO and I remember him wondering how he got to be CEO because he was never able to make anyone money. At least Abby Joseph Cohen was right once. ( which apparently promotes you from expert to guru in the finance biz)
I have a vague memory of that too.
I don’t understand your Cohen comment though.
She predicted 1500 on the S & P and 5000 on the nasdaq among other gems.
Well I will answer that even though your question was not directed to me…
The 1% installed Obama as president because they KNOW that he is corupt and on their side and serves their interests. Obama has been corrupt since day one of his career… which started in 1995… the classic corrupt Chicago politician. The 1% KNOW that.
So the 1% installed him as president and Obama, along with our totally corrupt congress, faithfully served their interests and gave them virtually EVERYTHING they could have ever wanted.
However something went wrong they never expected. Obama has been so inept and so transparent in his corruption that he has brought the ATTENTION OF THE WORLD down on the 1%. The 1% simply will not tolerate this attention because SECRECY, along with corruption is what protects them.
It appears that the 1% have decided that Obama and the Democrats including Corzine will now be sacrificed and a new corrupt regime will be installed.
I’m not predicting the outcome of the coming election… but it is obvious that the 1% intend to install a new corrupt regime… otherwise none of this would have ever happened. Obama served them well… but the 1% are ready to move on.
If somehow Obama is re-elected then the 1% will merely continue to be served by their corrupt but inept president-employee… but they will do everything to stop the attention… the 1% win either way.
I recall reading, from a supposed inside source, that his section was losing $150 million per year, on average. No link, sorry, it was a few weeks ago.
That may be what I’m remembering.
Sorry to be so late for the party. Let’s wait and “see” how much “scape” this “goat” must endure. So far, he seems to exhibiting significant “teflon” abilities, far above those or mortal men. If “falling on your sword” does not actually involve a “sword”, the action is purely ceremonial, not punitive.
I agree with some of what you type about O, and disagree with other parts. But right now my Qs are about Corzine specifically, and the fact that he’s a D is not a good enough reason for taking him down. There some other more specific agenda, I would think.
I also have a vague memory that Corzine’s division was not making money. But that just makes the puzzle bigger, in the sense that GS would normally not have made such a person top guy under those circumstances. So now there would be 2Qs: Why was he selected to head (think he might have been co-) GS to begin with, but also, why was he later fired, if he was.
Exactly, this is a Congressional hearing dog and pony show like Waxman does every so often. Nothing changes and everyone gets outraged meanwhile there could be another MF Global starting up right now doing the same shit.
In comments at the White House he said Europe’s leaders can solve their debt crisis — if they can muster the political will. “It’s not as if we’re talking about some impoverished country that doesn’t have the resources,” he said, according to Associated Press. So that’s it then, Obama says it’ll be OK. We can all rest easy.
LOL what a dumb F he is. As for Corzine I do not think anything will happen to him. Just my opinion, but he knows where too many bodies are buried.
already is. BofA
That’s what I thought you meant. She really is an awful forecaster. How she survives in her job is a mystery to me. She must have a guardian angel.
I don’t think the upper echelon PTB is a homogenous group and I agree there must be something else going on. If the fed did cut off MF from the free money they did it on purpose. It reminds me of how Lehmen was allowed to go belly up and then TARP bailed out GS et al.
That too.
I typed at the beginning that whether Corzine suffers will depend on whether he stole from rich people or from poor people.
That was before the subject of his not being liked by someone powerful came up, though.
Lehman & GS were rivals, which is why Lehman had to do. Also saw somewhere today that Lehman refused to go in on the 1998 bailout of LTCM.
That’s the kind of specific I asking about for Corzine.
Heh. See my next comment which also mentions Lehman.
Or they are all in it together. Corzine bet on some EU debt drove their yields up and helped topple a few govts putting GS men in. The freezing of accounts also meant that those that were about to take delivery on silver dec contracts lost said contracts and JPM did not have to cough up silver they do not have and have been furiously trying to keep the price down. Third by the FED not giving the money it created the much need room for JPM.
I suspect the fall guy will be some foreign sounding guy
Nope… it’s all part of the 1% plan. Corzine being a D… is the reason.
Another great quote… from Vice President Joe Biden…speaking about Jon Corzine…
He’s “the smartest guy I know in terms of the economy.”
Gensler worked for Corzine at GS. Gensler not at hearing today because on a “very impt” trip. the woman from CTFC knows nothing about nothing and said any meeting with Corzine did not discuss anything SUBSTANTIVE. you know they were just talking about vacations, and stuff
Regardless of the specific reason do you agree Corzine is just a distraction/sideshow?
It’s more than a sideshow. The bankruptcy is too big, Corzine has held too many impt positions. Don’t know how it fits into the bigger picture. Which is why I’m asking a lot of Qs.
mswinkle’s comment which I read after I made my last comment sounds plausible. I get the feeling these guys are doing to the global financial system what the “smartest guys in the room” did to the energy markets with Enron. I think the second recession is on the way before the first one is over.
Do you have a theory of why they let Lehman fail?
Comment 73 is the best I have to offer. But the rivalry with GS & not contributing to LTCM bailout I’ve picked up second hand, so don’t know whether either is actually true or not.
Seems like the feed is down for everybody?
The system is done. They can not keep it going. So they will implode it, people will lose everything, and then PTB will step forward with the solutions. The FED which most people never heard of until recently will be a scapegoat, along with a few others. War with Iran maybe by using Syria as a proxy will be started. Russia is being stirred up right now. Fema camps will round up domestic dissidents. There will be bank holidays and not the type where you get a day off work.
I agree 100%. The difference is that NONE of these guys will go to prison like the 16 Enron bastards did.
some think ken lay is living of papa bush’s farm in Panama.
From the article: “Both Corzine and Gensler worked at Goldman back in the day, and the word is that Corzine personally lobbied Gensler to delay the implementation of new rules that would have helped prevent Corzine from raiding his own clients’ funds.”
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More n’ likely Corzine did things that most would consider unethical, but (to quote our president) not illegal. Irrespective of that, I hear that it’s winter and Corzine has the Vail medical examiner’s office on his speed dial, just in case. I would.
See #87 below…….or is it above? You’ll find it.
The Enron guys actually pissed off the Cheney guys thats why they went to jail. These guys will just get bonus’s and perhaps not be able to sit in the front tables at the next awards dinner.
Lay had bad heart disease & knew it. Had no intention of living thru any kinds of trial or jail. He’s dead.
He had a HEART! No wonder he died.
Heh.
Yep that is why cheney got rid of his
More “very interesting” info… thanks.
Don’t miss the forest for the trees. It’s all about plausible deniability. That keeps you safe from proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It doesn’t really matter what the law is. That is the reason for all the complexity and buffers.
And why every A begins: Without records….
So if records prove him to be a lying SOB, he’ll just say he didn’t have access to the records.
Yet another kabuki.
If confession is good for the soul, I think we can safely conclude that only the poor, the ignorant, and the powerless have souls. :-(
Here in Houston the local newspaper ran a “where are they now” feature on the Enron jailbirds. Except Skilling, and Lay, of course, they are all out and either retired or have new high paying jobs. The exception MAY be Andrew Fastow who DID lose all his money and property. He DID, however, have his wife’s family fortune to soften his landing.
Notice, Corzine said “I don’t where the MF money IS.” He didn’t say “I don’t know where the MF money WAS.” Clever.
That R.C. confession thingy is an amazing scam. What a power to have over people to know all their most terrible acts & thoughts. One’s imagination is prolly not rich enough to think of all the scurrilous ways priests have used that info.
I didn’t notice that. Clever.
But, to quote Jon Stewart.
“The Catholics have confession. But the Jews have ‘Yom Kippur’. The day of atonement. For one day, we don’t eat or drink anything from sunup to sundown and ALL our sins for the year are forgiven. BEAT THAT!”
All depends on what the definition of “is” is.
Corzine ran the firm, 228 years old
, into the ground in just 19 months.
And you get to keep your sins secret.
I thknk the problem was having th letters “MF” in their name. One could taske that several ways. REcently had a travel agency down the street close, perhaps for the same reason. Their name….”S&M Travel”.
So I can expect a store called BJ’s near my niece’s house to close soon…
I woulda joined if not for that “circumcision” thing.
I don’t know about that. A little agressive marketing and ????????
My late, Jewish, husband used to say I was Jewish by injection.
I didn’t tell you what they sold…
(Don’t know that myself, as I’ve never been there.)
My friend in TX, like me, former GSer, sez Corzine is worth $400 million.
“Not using the veil of 5th amendment to refuse to answer questions…,” but answering them with nonanswers.
“Missing funds will be found.”
They’re prolly under W’s desk with Iraq’s WMDs.
OK, we’re into the weeping & wailing. I’m out of here.
These people all have something on each other… the code of omerta rules… they can pull it out whenever they want you to disappear. Keeps them all in line even when they f up. Corzone pissed someone off and so they are making him a scape goat… but if he opens his mouth it’s cement boots. He’ll go away with his lips sealed.
Heh. Where do you think all that Vatican wealth comes from? The ability to blackamil is a surefire way to stay supplied with both sex and money.
That’s what you call a very effective executive. He just said he bet on sovereign debt, even though everyone else was worried about it, because some was still highly rated by the ratings agencies. Libby tried to tell us about the intertwining of all the aspen roots, didn’t he?
Paging Rush Limbaugh lol.
More likely they are under Obama’s desk.
Well that was a terrifying link you posted. Kind of wish I hadn’t read it.
If memory serves, he lost an internal power struggle, but I can’t say for sure. Used to live in the same town, and although we certainly didn’t move in the same circles, you do hear things.
I watched the whole thing. And reading between the lines, here is what I think Corzine would say if waterboarded:
-I got hired because I got connections. I could get primary dealer status and some rule changes. Other people did the trading, because, while I’m no dummy, I’m no genius either.
-I really don’t know where the money went because the shadow banking system is not really very transparent. Glad I only got a few questions about rehypothecation because that is where the money went, but I don’t understand it, so I’m not lying when I say I don’t know where the money went.
-I do hope that the money will turn up. By “turn up” I mean my fellow banksters in the shadow system will wire send over enough money to cover people’s accounts. Of course I’m deluding myself because we all know nothing is going to change and so they really don’t have any incentive.
-Why did I make bets on European sovereign debt? Well, a) it ain’t my money, and b) as they say down at the casino: G-A-M-B-O-L-!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!