Sith Lord Dick Cheney emerged from his homemade bunker today to criticize the Administration for not starting an air war over Iran to go along with the shadow war already in progress:
CHENEY: The right response to that would have been to go in immediately after it had gone down and destroy it. You can do that from the air. You can do that with a quick airstrike, and in effect make it impossible for them to benefit from having captured that drone. I was told that the president had three options on his desk. He rejected all of them. [...]
They all involved sending somebody in to try to recover it, or if you can’t do that, admittedly that would be a difficult operation, you certainly could have gone in and destroyed it on the ground with an airstrike. But he didn’t take any of the options. He asked for them to return it. And they aren’t going to do that.
I like the idea that a “quick airstrike” is somehow less consequential than one of those long, drawn-out airstrikes where you send the payload out of the bombers in slow-motion. Cheney is talking about an offensive bombing campaign over a sovereign country without a declaration of war. Now, that has become a depressingly normal occurrence these days, but in this case, that bombing campaign would be taken up to destroy evidence of a whole other set of covert warmaking activities. So it’s a war to cover up a war, at that point. And surely Iran would oblige this attack on their soil, as long as it was a “quick airstrike.”
As Ben Armbruster points out, we actually don’t have to guess about how the Cheney Administration would have dealt with an analogous situation. In 2001, a manned spy plane crashed into a Chinese jet and came into the possession of the Chinese. Did Cheney order a “quick airstrike” in that case? No, as Armbuster writes: “Instead of bombing the plane, the United States issued a letter of apology saying it was ‘very sorry.’ The Chinese released the American flight crew and returned the plane in pieces three months later.”
What moral cowards the Cheney Administration were! And by the way, this shows you that at least some of the psychopathic tendencies of the Cheneys of the world are merely rhetorical. When push came to shove, he didn’t back up the cowboy talk.
It’s tiresome to even break down the words of Dick Cheney. But the media conducting interviews with him won’t, so someone must.




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Psychopath-in-chief Cheney has been dispatched to bang the war drums.
I’ve go a bad feeling about this.
As for China, they knew China would kick our ass in some form or fashion.
Was that from his prison cell in Gitmo.
Hey you little torturer dick F U
stupid dick ,I betting they played with driving the “undetectable’ drone around for awhile before landing it just to screw with us.
We would send drones right?
I am certainly not on Darth’s side in this matter, but admittedly it would be easier to get away with an airstrike (what would it be, a drone bombing a drone?) in Iran than in China. I don’t think the analogy holds. Military incursion of even a small sort into China would be a True Great Big Deal with unpleasant consequences for everyone, whereas Iran can’t fight back as much.
With that said, I don’t support the covert war on Iran.
Without firing a shot or losing a man.
Would they deserve the ” collaterial” damage that would cause from our invasion of their airspace.
Dick lovvves him some $6 a gallon gas…and quite possibly, a mid-east war. It’s a culture he understands.
I mean, so far, Obama’s basically just been a cowardly sell-out. Playing catch-up with Bush, he needs to go full-on jingo warbot…which, he may yet do, when his numbers really start to tank.
I mean, after bushCo’s monumental fuckups, that this bloody-handed SOB is still giving Obama directions about how to sustain the lunacy, is the purest of yardsticks for just how craven and cowardly is Obama. One of the first things he needed to do when he took office was emphatically diss Bush and Cheyney’s clusterfucks. That he kept them going is what’s giving Cheyney the leeway to come out with this batshit-crazy “advice”.
Some things never change.
Dick Cheney having a completely appropriate first name is one of them.
Cheney is crazy in so many ways. The Arab world would go nuts if we bombed Iran. Of course, McCain thought it was a good idea, too. I wonder what his opinion is this week.
Can anyone believe that the US would send an unoccupied spy plane over hostile territory without a self destruct mechanism, such as if it gets below 500 feet without a radar cut off, it blows up. The CIA just never ceases to amaze.
One just went down in the Seychelles, too. I think I linked to it in the last Round-Up.
One way Obama could guarantee four more years of his sorry ass in the WH would be a “quick airstrike” of Cheney’s homemade bunker…
IOKIYUSA
Picture: Cheney riding a bomb down on a captured drone waving a defibrillator over his head…
“…whereas, Iran can’t fight back as much.”
Right! All they can do is shut down the Straits of Hormuz…through which pass about 40% of the world’s shipped oil.
Factor in what Al Sadr might do, as well as Hezbollah, and we have another “shitmire accomplished!”
How did the drone come down? Clearly, it did not crash. I have been mystified at the condition we have seen from the photos. Thanks if anyone can direct me to what happened?
I would like to suggest FDL never comments on this guy ever again. I am tired of corporate controlled media spreading bs from their own trolls into this forum. Let’s just say no. Nothing he says adds to our fund of knowledge.
Got my vote…
That’s why I say it musta been a “Trojan Drone”.
Speculation in comments on ew’s post.
I heard from reliable sources that the Iranians “took control” of the drone and landed it successfully. They were able to “override” our signal with their signal and the drone didn’t know no better.
Assuming competence not in evidence.
Ah yes, Dr. Strangelove. Love the imagery.
Obama is too busy planning to bomb the Seychelles.
If otherwise, you are implying the CIA is a bunch of morons.
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Oh, I see.
I second that.
There has also been some hint that U.S. drones have been bugged with some kind of computer virus.
How does Cheney propose to find out the exact location of the lost UAV? Is he going to use The Force?
How and why does Dick Cheney know what options the president had on his desk?
Well, one thing that’s in evidence is that the damn thing is in pristine condition. Unless the Iranians have made a mock-up of it (which the pentagon would be prattling about, 24-7) it was brought down gently. I don’t know how they could do that without having taken over the electronics.
If anyone else does, please enlighten us.
Maybe it wasn’t an exceptional drone, just an off the shelf lowest bidder drone.
What was it, a $240 million drone marked up 100% for year end bonus’.
Could be. OTOH, you buy shit from the lowest bidder……sometimes you get what you pay for.
Or maybe somebody set the password to 1-7-7-6.
My comment related to CIA’s lack of competence. In response to whether it might have been a Trojan drone. IMO, CIA is too incompetent to do that, but USG clearly has a bit of trouble with cybersecurity.
“If otherwise, you are implying that the CIA is a bunch of morons.”
As Dave Barry said, in a Miami Herald column a few years back:
“The Central Intelligence Agency:
“Proudly Overthrowing Fidel Castro for 50 Years!”
It was also the CIA which, prior to Desert Storm One, was shrieking that the Russian tanks which Saddam had were well-nigh impenetrable by any ordinance or weapons that we possessed.
Of course, in the event, they proved to be highly combustible.
Langley has a track record of accuracy that makes Thomas Friedman look like the Oracle of Delphi.
I think it’s fair to say that a lot of people in the gov’t are looking around for someone to blame – lots of CYA going on. Makes me smile.
Too bad we cannot just give Cheney to Iran – the man is a human WMD leaving a massive trail of destruction behind him. Of course, Iran’s too smart to take him since he’s been quite handy at destroying America from the inside in a fashion they could never hope to achieve on their own.
‘How and why does Dick Cheyney know what options the president had on his desk?”
Obama’s White House chief of staff, William Daley, probably took time out from counting that $8 million in stock he owns with Morgan-Chase, to give Dick a little courtesy call, since he did such a good job of pimping the koolaid for Operation Enduring Shitmire.
“Obama’s basically just been a cowardly sell-out.” and that’s really Cheney’s point with this unsolicited Commander-in-chief advice. We have an election coming and the meme that Democrats are soft when it comes to national defense needs to be ramped up to keep the right-wing rubes growling and pulling at their chains to vote the muslim-kenyan-socialist out. Cheney’s enemy, their enemy, is creeping socialism since forever. FDR started it 80 years ago, and the long hard slog to keep our country out of the hands of commies began way back before then. And those
commie-fascists, the right would be sure to tell you, have the philosophy of take from the rich and give to the lazy moochers. Cheney fulfills his role today with the foreign policy dog whistle – “Democrats are appeasing pussy’s, I mean Jack Bauer or Jethro Gibbs would know what to do. They fight and win America’s good fight every week, and twice on repeat Sundays.”"Team America, fuck yeah!”
Yeah, there’s certainly arguments vis the Trojan drone and it being deliberate, but then again, the CIA seems like a buncha hack-fool drug ‘n gun runner idiots, too. ‘Course then again, it appears that the “secret societies” have grown ‘n grown like kudzu, so mebbe there’s some other super-duper secret spy group that’s, like, you know, semi-competent, and *they* set up the Trojan drone to fail.
Sure seems like manna from Dick Cheney’s hellbot realm to me. Too convenient by half. Frankly, I’ve been waiting for this particular shoe to drop!
http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=ODYyMDI2MzE3NA%3D%3D
Meanwhile, the Syrian President’s advisor Buthaina Shaaban has allegedly threatened to expose sex tapes involving rulers from Gulf countries. Shaaban briefed a delegation from the Syrian community residing in region after a meeting was held with Bashar Al-Asad. The advisor reportedly said, “officials from Gulf countries will be shown what ‘trump’ cards we have after we release their sex tapes to internet websites.
I saw those photos, too, but I also did wonder what the Iranians actually HAD there. There have been photos and mock-up drawings of the drones on the tubes for a while, so it’s also *possible* that Iran got *something* and then provided a fake drone for the photo ops.
One does wonder. Both sides are fishy and equally able to lie. So… who knows? Cheney beating war drums is to be expected, of course. And of course, Cheney & Kissinger are STILL very much in power these days. Anyone who thinks Obama’s making some of these types of decisions is listening to the media too much. JMHO, of course.
China/Russia seems more likely competents, esp the former who’ve been working on this kind of operation for a long time.
YMMV
hmmm… sex, lies and videotapes – eh? One wonders if that will really make any difference… just like rightwing fundamentalists are quite happily lined up to vote for Newticles, whilst still fulminating about Clinton.
Everyone knows that the PTB in the ME are into lots of make-sexy-time behind the scenes. Will it matter if it’s made public, no matter how hypocritical?? Time will tell.
A pathetic old man desperately trying to hang onto a world where he was once relevant. A world where certain people thought well of him and listened eagerly to his every word. A world that no longer exists.
I don’t know why some on here think that the CIA couldn’t fuck up a two car funeral. Again: their track record fairly throbs with evidence to the contrary. Also, I believe that the Iranians are not so far behind electronically that they don’t have the ability to walk around the thing with a hand-held device that would tell them if it were sending any kind of encrypted signals.
Did the spooks who are…excuse me…WERE controlling it, decide to bring it in for a gentle landing on Iranian territory, rather than destroy it? If there is a benefit to our government to doing that, it sure hasn’t surfaced yet.
All we have so far is a huge propaganda win for Teheran…which Obama and our corporatist warbots are, I believe, not enjoying.
Not so sure vis Vlad’s Roooski empire, but the chinese are more likely. Still I read today that China is more or less experiencing the bursting of their real estate bubble, so who knows??? Maybe everyone world-wide is just as much of an ultra-marooon as Team USA is. I do wonder some days if there’s anyone competent out there at the top, or are they all just greedy grabby moronic idiots???
I was discussing this on a previous thread with some people.
Here is a very good description which are followed by some intelligent observations. (I hope the link works right).
I could add some discussion about how the take over the radio signal, but we would be essentially putting together a how to guide, which I don’t think would make the DOD/DHS very happy.
So stop talking about him already. He is homo imbecilius erectusand should be ignored as such. The more attention you give him, the more he talks. Stop encouraging him.
Eh? I loathe & detest Cheney, but I think he still has more power than any us of want, and much more power than many realize. Would love to believe I’m wrong, I sadly doubt I am.
Well put!
I figured the password would be ‘Toby Keith’.
AND, TeamUSA did not have their talking points prepped.
“It’s certainly possible that it’s just a mockup, but if that’s the case, why isn’t the CIA shouting that to the rooftops?
I believe the answer to that is that the Iranians would then produce some of the electronic workings, and possibly even footage of the drone being landed…further embarrassing our government.
No, I think Langley and the Obama administration are in a fight they can’t win, on this one. Barring some sensational revelations of a high-tech scam (which I can’t believe wouldn’t have already come out…) I think our spooks screwed the pooch on this one, and that the Iranians have figured out some of our more arcane electronic shit.
Jeaton, good post, except that I think you missed it about “a world that no longer exists.”
I think it still exists, and that Barack Obama is doing all he can to protect that insidious status quo.
Actually, President Obama is keeping his mouth shut instead of shooting it off like his predecessors. Nice to see a little “talk softly” instead of near poisonous levels of testosterone-on-meth that’s the sum total strategic thinking (and communcation) capabilities of the current Republican representatives.
re: 53
Wonder if there’s a Stuxnet variant for drones…
Fuck Cheney…Jesus, if his dog pissed on the carpet, he’d bomb the poor mutt, and torture him if he survived.
Exactly my thoughts. Considering that the discussion was in relation to national security, was divulging this information a crime? Perhaps somebody should compel DC to testify under oath?
Oh… forgot! DCs BFF, Barack Obama, is the nation’s top cop. There will be no investigation of Obama’s 1% buddies.
John, excellent research. If I understand correctly, anything that is “remotely controlled” can be “remotely controlled by someone else”.
WOW!
Regardless, it’s all good as long as it stays in the family.
“Team USA did not have their talking points prepped”
Excellent point. They have babbled and blathered like it was a Donald Rumsfeld presser, explaining where all the WMD’s were.
Since many on this thread have seen the hi-res photos of the drone, have any of you noticed that the drone appeared to be displayed in a gymnasium? Possibly a school gymnasium? And Dr. Death Cheney proposes we bomb that drone! Why does anyone listen to the ravings of that man?
There are just so many ways that Iran can hurt us if we’re insane enough to attack them. They have long since had the tech for those shoulder-fired Stingers that were so effective in Afghanistan against Russian aircraft, and they gave some of them TO the Russians, where it’s a certainty that they have been copied and upgraded, with the tech, if not the missiles, themselves, sent back down the pipeline to Teheran. A few pickup truckloads of those going across the border into Iraq, and Baghdad will become a no-fly zone.
Broadly, there are tens of thousands of Shiites eager to upgrade from AK-47′s and RPG’s to deadlier weapons to use against any americans left in Iraq. I have serious doubts about the ability or even the desire of the Maliki government to suppress Shiite anger if we’re lunatic enough to attack Iran, or to assist Israel in doing it.
I would, however, be intrigued to know more about the Vulcans’ deliberations over how to proceed when the Chinese captured our spy plane. Wanna bet Cheney’s views were eerily similar to what he proposes here?
I wouldn’t be at all surprised. Since Obama’s ascension, we’ve been treated to Cheney Unbound: The Sith Speaks Freely. Prior, he was so reticent to have his views aired. Not so now.
Butch, I don’t think that Obama HAS the testosterone option. If he goes that way, one oil tanker on fire in the Straits will mean that oil will go higher than it’s ever been, and the economic effect of that on the world’s economy will have the banksters all over the planet shitting their pants.
Plus, China and Russia will have a say in this, and it won’t be a small one. The Chinese are big energy partners with Iran and I don’t believe that they want us fucking with their new buds.
Any physical aggression on Iran will make for a huge degradation in the quality of life for all of the industrialized countries, as well as some of the same for third-world countries. Wall Street knows this, and so does Obama. Some large, predatory, and uncontrollable cats will get totally out of the bag if one JDAM goes into Iran.
I agree. Cheney put a lot of pieces in place to wield power by proxy (need to find link for this…I’ve read that Cheney filled all kinds of sundry government jobs with his minions so he can stay abreast of the inside action). He is still very dangerous.
Even professional sociopath Dick Cheney knows it’s bad form to bomb the people you need to finance your next war of choice.
Dear God, I cannot believe someone wants me to look at Cheney beelzebub…Makes my gentle skin crawl.
And on Faux Newz there will be 24/7 railing against the Iranians, I know this cause my mother had it on today when I was up there. It was like “And NOW those damned Iranians say they can fly OUR plane!!!”
I wonder what these same asshats would say if a Chinese drone crashed in Kansas.
Do not know when I will “see” you….did you here the independent candidate on Amy today? It comes on much later here, so do not know if you would have had the same program today….
I would bet the drones, like other aircraft, were just beginning to become dated by the time the first operational ones came off the production line. The technology always races ahead faster than its application and it’s a game of catch up.
Some military industrial contractors will rush to fill in the new drone gap, a bit sooner than expected. Zip up your wallets.
Odds are that somebody screwed up somewhere, or underestimated the Iranians, or a very complex and overpriced piece of equipment simply ran into Murphy’s law.
That’s the drone crash part. Everything done by our PTB and government since is pure kabuki theater. Start beating those war drums! Odds are Obama will take Cheney’s advice sooner or later and attack Iran sometime before the election.
After all, everybody knows Americans don’t like to “change horses in midstream.”
Isn’t Cheney revealing confidential information about a national-security matter? He has a track record of doing this, of course, as in the Valerie Plame case. But can’t he be criminally prosecuted for releasing what must be classified information?
Remember when Schwarzkopf’s book on Gulf War One came out and a good chunk of it concerned how he and Colin Powell did their best to rein in Cheney’s stupider impulses?
Here’s a taste: Cheney at one point wanted to drop the 82nd airborne into downtown Baghdad, hundreds of miles from the nearest supply line or troop position.
“Dudes, the rc needs some new batteries.”
There. Now you don’t need to wonder any more.
Phoenix, well posted.
If Douglas Feith was “the dumbest fucking man on the planet”, Cheyney and some others were running just a nose behind him.
That the cowardly hack now in the White House didn’t want to lump them together and take a long, wet, piss on them from the bully pulpit, but instead, has done wondrous rehab on them, is a huge part of the problems we face.
Now that is a picture I would love to see!
Dick, the quail hunt invite still stands!
You better not be making a slanderous remark about me!!!
Unless yer a cheap chinese toy, no. LOL.
Late though it be, we must keep fresh in our minds the great patroness of those like Cheney:
Mrs. Florence Foster Jenkins rendering Mozart’s aria “Der Holle Rache (Queen of the Night)” from Die Zauberflote (The Magic Flute)
More than once this rendition has brought me nigh unto the pearly gates with its sublimity.
You make my mouth water…
Does this loathsome invertebrate now have so much hardware implanted that he can’t die? What a depressing thought.
here is prima facie evidence that we have no business exporting our style of ‘democracy’ to other countries. any so-called justice system incapable of hanging this rancid fucker for his brazen crimes is a joke. the rest of the world understands this, but the united snakes doesn’t.
the fact that this person is more or less celebrated, treated with respect, has his opinions listened to at all, is just more proo , plain as day, that this system is rotted out and decaying rapidly.