After its FBI Director told Congress that the revisions to the defense authorization bill did not satisfy his concerns with the bill, the White House issued a statement of Administration policy saying that they would not veto the bill, despite an earlier threat. Here’s the statement from the Press Secretary.
We have been clear that “any bill that challenges or constrains the President’s critical authorities to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the Nation would prompt the President’s senior advisers to recommend a veto.” After intensive engagement by senior administration officials and the President himself, the Administration has succeeded in prompting the authors of the detainee provisions to make several important changes, including the removal of problematic provisions. While we remain concerned about the uncertainty that this law will create for our counterterrorism professionals, the most recent changes give the President additional discretion in determining how the law will be implemented, consistent with our values and the rule of law, which are at the heart of our country’s strength. This legislation authorizes critical funding for military personnel overseas, and its passage sends an important signal that Congress supports our efforts as we end the war in Iraq and transition to Afghan lead while ensuring that our military can meet the challenges of the 21st century.
As a result of these changes, we have concluded that the language does not challenge or constrain the President’s ability to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists, and protect the American people, and the President’s senior advisors will not recommend a veto. However, if in the process of implementing this law we determine that it will negatively impact our counterterrorism professionals and undercut our commitment to the rule of law, we expect that the authors of these provisions will work quickly and tirelessly to correct these problems.
This is not totally surprising, but after the testimony of Mueller, there’s clearly some kind of split between the national security apparatus in the White House. Letting Mueller come out and say that, and then not issuing the veto threat really sells out the FBI Director.
The other part of this is that the changes do offer a variety of possible loopholes for the executive branch to carry out counter-terrorism policy as they see fit. Military custody is no longer “required” in the bill, and FBI policies are nominally preserved, though in a strange way that would seem to be impossible to implement. The President has a few extra pieces of discretion to take terrorist suspects out of military custody and into an interrogation process outside military purview. In addition, federal courts could still be used for terrorism cases.
Remember that the White House has little problem with indefinite military detention. They just want to be able to dictate when it gets used and on whom. So they obviously see enough flexibility here to carry out unconstrained intelligence gathering and detention policies.
The part at the end, where they hope and pray that Congress will go back and fix the bill if it ever becomes a problem, is just nonsense. And the bill overall is ripe for abuse. The White House simply didn’t want to take the political hit for vetoing a bill that “supports the troops.” And they weren’t aroused enough by the thought of indefinite military detentions to mount any serious opposition to it.
UPDATE: From Adam Serwer:
This morning I wrote that by making the mandatory military detention provisions mandatory in name only, the Senate had offered the administration an opportunity to see how seriously it takes its own rhetoric on civil liberties. The administration had said that the military detention provisions of an earlier version of the NDAA are “inconsistent with the fundamental American principle that our military does not patrol our streets.”
The revised NDAA is still inconsistent with that fundamental American principle. But the administration has decided that fundamental American principles aren’t actually worth vetoing the bill over.




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Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Obama “folds” again.
Knock me over with a feather. Whocouldanode?
Is it too early to start eulogizing the US Constitution?
no, it’s been on a ventilator since the passage of the un-Patriot Act
Legal question: Does this overturn Posse Comitatus?
More than ten years later, “9/11 changed everything” continues to trump the Bill of Rights.
America….oh well, it was nice while it lasted. Maybe no big thang. Was beginning to think it was wasted on us anyway.
I think that’s already been gone for years now.
No, he’s standing up, with cover from Congress, for exactly the powers he wants to have. Bush III.
If Obama does NOT veto this bill with this horrible detention policy, I don’t see how anyone can say we are worse off with a Republican president. Obama has been worse than Bush on nearly all civil liberties issues. The Holder Justice Dept has an almost perfect record of total failure. Occupy the White House now!
What a fucking surprise.
Sen. Carl Levin revealed that this would not be vetoed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PLiKvSz_wX8
Gee, why would they want this?
Forget the fucking birth certificate. I want to see Obama’s ConLaw transcripts.
So is Obama going to have Mitch Mcconnell and John Boehner be disappeared? We now are officially a Banana Republic. If the Tea Party starts to go missing, how will we know that arrests have even been made? Levin sponsored this fascist piece of crap. Now Obama is going to sign it. So now what is it that the party is going to run on to take back the House and hold the Senate.
This is baseless nonsense, and reflects either a naive hope or willful ignorance about Obama.
Obama’s response to S.1867 said the Executive Branch believes it already has these powers. The reason for a veto on those grounds was simply a turf war, the Executive not wanting to give any credence to the idea that indefinite imprisonment without trial (but with torture) was a power Congress had any power to grant.
Obama’s other complaint was that by requiring the disappeared to be held under the law of war, the imprisoned were then prisoners of war – and would be subject to the protections of Geneva, i.e., they couldn’t legally be tortured. Obama’s oblique language about “legal issues” was simply code that Obama wouldn’t agree to not torture the disappeared.
So Obama’s complaints weren’t anything that would require him to take a “political hit.” His complaint was this bill, which even in its initial form allowed Americans to be disappeared forever into prisons anywhere in the world, still left Americans with too many rights.
But since the Congress and White House are simply cooperating divisions of a larger enterprise that sees the American people as their common enemy, these minor objections were easily overcome.
Huh, that link is goooooone.
Found another link to Carl Levin revealing the WH role:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2gJNQv6WI4
That’s why I put “folds” in quotes.
How can this bill be consistent with the rule of law when the Constitution forbids this exact behavior? We went to war with the British to stop unwarranted search and seizure and imprisonment without due process. They have just turned the Constitution into a meaningless decoration you hang on the wall for the 4th of July, no meaning beyond taht.
For a democracy on life-support, this is the kiss of death.
Get ready for Rachel Maddow and the rest at MSNBC and Air America go into full out spin mode to explain this one. Just like they did with… well everything else.
0bama gets exactly what he wants, as usual.
I was called an idiot by some bot on HuffPo for asking why we should vote for them.
The team sport politics in full cry
My gut tells me the Obama Administration and Congressional leaders wanted this because they anticipate riots by Americans over economic matters. They will need the military to step in to control the people and imprison its leaders. They are afraid of the OWS crowd.
People keep talking about a police state. Yup, it is. But that’s mostly recognizing the heavy hamfisted and jackbooted police tactics against unarmed, protesting civilians of late. American citizens now cannot presume to have their basic rights under the Constitution protected by officers of the law.
The bigger reality looms, we might as well recognize we live in a dictatorship.
Warming up in the on-deck circle for the next cave in, the Keystone Pipeline.
May as well vote Republican, not a god damned difference.
I have several Obama-bot friends who swore he would veto this.
Maybe this will wake them up, but it’s hard to reason with fanatics.
There is a difference. If we have a Republican President, Congressional Dems are more likely to make a stand for SS and Medicare in order to extend the value of their brand.
Do we have a dictator now? Is this just like Hitler’s enabling act. Obama can indefinitely detain anyone he wants, without trial. And if anyone complains, they can be designated an enemy of the state.
Bin Laden won. Amerika is a military/police state. America died.
:)
You mean these people?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M8Oa_y2ENQ&feature=related
“our military can meet the challenges of the 21st century” like war crimes / child killing / illegal warfare / illegal robot drones for cowards to hide behinf / landfills to fill.
Oh yes, and the killing of americans lol
Am at work; can’t view videos. Will do so at home.
So – what’s next?
Surely locking us all up forever as terrorists STILL doesn’t make the Homeland safe ENOUGH. You KNOW it doesn’t.
Perhaps the Shoot On Sight Every Goddamn Thing That Moves Act?
No, that’s probably not enough either.
By the way
Rocky Andersen for president
Quit complaining and get to working. It is literally the only real hope we have left.
The new world order has arrived – and with a Democratic prez. Who could possibly have known?
/s
The only Americans who ever had rights were the wealthy, who created this country and have owned and controlled it since its founding.
That the underclass were ever allowed any rights was simply the cost of keeping them enslaved, a marketing expense and loss leader that paid for itself many times over relative to the cost of keeping the slaves pacified using physical force.
The Constitution talks of the rights of “We the People” – but we’re not, and never were, “people.” This painful but simple truth that explains everything.
What’s happening isn’t that Americans are losing their rights. They’re awakening to the lie they ever had any.
The president has already authorized a ‘hit’ on Americans. He can authorize an execution (targeted elimination) of even a U.S. citizen, as judge, jury and executioner, without the target having a chance at justice in a court of law. (Which won’t happen, because they will be deliberately killed anyhow, like Osama bin Laden.)
I hope he gets it right, since justice is not served.
Add in unlimited detention of anyone called a ‘terrorist’? Check. He can do that, too. (Watch out pesky #OWS peeps.)
I guess it would be unvarnished cynicism to wonder whether we now see the reason Eric Holder suddenly this week became such a great orator on that vital interest of African-American, and any thinking American, voting rights.
“our military can meet the challenges of the 21st century” like war crimes / child killing / illegal warfare / illegal robot drones for cowards to hide behinf / landfills to fill.
Oh yes, and the killing of americans lol
I went looking for his/the Justice Party’s website yesterday and couldn’t find it. Anyone got a URL?
Slightly off-topic:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-ryan-wyden-medicare-plan-20111214,0,3097530.story
Et tu, Ron Wyden?
First fascist President.
fucking goddam son of a bitch… our president should be impeached for shredding the united states constitution… son of a BITCH…! if our president is looking to radicalize people, he just succeeded with me…
When Obama announces the Keystone deal expect him to say it will create 200,000 jobs and the lame stream media will nod in concurrence.
Don’t be surprised if they still don’t see the light.
After a long conversation with my sister, she conceded that I had a point if you simply evaluated what he does (or doesn’t) do.
But, she still supports him because he “means well” and the Republicans will “ruin the country”.
FirstSecond consecutive fascist PresidentFixed it for you.
No one knows who Rocky Anderson is. I looked him up on Wiki, and he seems like a cool guy, except that he is still attached to his religion. But electing a cool guy doesn’t happen in post-Jimmy Carter America, for a lot of obvious reasons. Trying to work within the parameters of a system which is utterly corrupt will only yield corrupt output. Our government is controlled by crooks, and only crooks get to play. The best solution, for those of us who believe that the Constitution is worth keeping, is to purge the system of the crooks which presently inhabit and control it, and the parties they claim to represent. All Republicans are crooks. All Democrats are crooks. Democrat == Republican. 0bama == Cheney. A third party has no chance against the Corporate R/D party. Time to wipe the slate clean and start over.
2012 is the year to re-elect Nobody.
I shoulda bet $10,000 he’d not veto it.
Is anyone surprised the spineless ninny sitting in the White House caved on this. The Democratic Party is equally resonsable in selling us down the road to totalitarianism.
THIRD PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The lesser of two evils is still evil. Or in today’s sloganese: I suck less than the other guy. What a choice! What a country!
next up: approve the pipe line. Complete sell out.
I only heard part of that/Amy interview….he did sound fantastic, if that’s the word for speaking truth.
I will vote. I will not vote for either side of the 1% Warmonger party. That leaves third-party.
I’m looking at Rocky Anderson and the Justice party right now and I like what Rocky says. Check out his interview on Democracy Now!
Try not to puke when they run a clip of Obysmal lying through his teeth during the interview.
The president now has the capacity to extraordinarily render the banksters. But I won’t hold my breathe.
Bin Laden won. Amerika is a police state.
Maybe we can at least end the War on Terror now, at least if GW Bush was right that we had to fight because they hate us for our freedoms. Now that we’ve surrendered the last of those freedoms, there is no reason for them to hate us anymore.
YOu’re kidding right?
You’re right. Hadn’t thought of it that way. No more terrorists.
I tell ya, I’m shocked about this. Just shocked. Imagine he caved again.
What constitution?
No doubt Keystone gets approved one way or another. Either it will be the first decision of the new Republican Prez when we see the ‘End of An Error’ or Obummer betrays us again when he won’t need to worry about the left.
Clinton Redux with the worst coming in the second term. hard to imagine considering the heinous legacy of four years of Broken Promises in his first term
Yeah, fooled ‘em again Josie, didn’t he . . .
TO HELL WITH THESE SPINELESS, DEMOCRATIC PARTY SELL OUTS!
VOTE ROCKY ANDERSON AND THE JUSTICE PARTY!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Anderson
I predict he will sign up to the thug bill and approve the pipeline to get his tax cut. Bc you know we gotta have that tax cut, jest like we hadta have the indefinite detention to keep us all safe. Better be careful what you say now cause you could be the first to go.
I was gonna use that quote and point out its fallicies and misleading intent as writ, but you mostly covered my points.
There is no political hit . . . none whatsoever, that’s the fallacy.
Congress, Judiciary and Executive are all in on this from the get go.
It’s how corporate facism rolls.
N now, as soon as this goes into law, we are all guilty of terrorism if we dissent about anything in public, on the internet, on our phones, in vids, radio or audio . . . we the people are now all guilty, guilty, guilty.
This is now officially a year end thang. Boner and Bama gets together to get us all some nice goodies. They wrap a few things in there for theyselves you know.
OWS is but a small manifestation of the problem.
Economic disparity is a huge manifestation of the problem.
N yes, the PTB are fully prepared for our unrest, regardless of the cause of our unrest.
Well now we can wrap up all those folks out there on OWS and keep them in jail until they repent. Repent I tell ya, repent.
Not off topic – I saw Ron had joined the turn Medicare into an ins company exchange program with a public option, and was sick.
I don’t know what it means to be a Democrat at this point. It sure as hell is not the party that I thought was moving too far right on foreign affairs back in the 60′s.
Because they know their own polling numbers that show massive declines in potential turnout fro blacks, Hispanics and Millenials.
Who is going to take off a day of work to stand in the rain to vote for someone who promised a new era in govt and who instead calcified the cynicism of back room compromise
And like the shellacking the Dems took in 2010 bc people couldn’t give Obama the Hairy eyeball, millions of Hope & Change chumps may stand in line to give this fraud the middle finger next november
“GW Bush was right that we had to fight because they hate us for our freedoms” – the Obama Democrats sure seem to hate American freedom just as much as the GOP.
So yep – guess we need to fight for gun rights now and form citizen militias – guess we do have a common objective with our friends in the Tea Party.
U.S. Grant, n more before and after him.
Feature, not bug.
Grant had the excuse of being drunk all the time. I’m assuming that Obama is sober.
Don’t reply, they’ll only soil clean white space in here.
I ain’t worried bout them, I’m worried bout me . . . and everyone should worry bout them selves at this point.
Thass all I’m sayin, ya know?
We live in a plutarchy and it is not soon going to change.
You know…Ive been watching B.O. pull this crap since his FISA lies. I knew that he was lying about this veto shit…just as he was lying when he claimed he would not vote for FISA back in 2008. He is nothing but a corrupt, bought politician just like evey other piece of slime occupying our Capitol. He’ll say anything to try to keep the base supporting him. But its his actions that speak the truth. And that truth is ugly…very, very ugly.
Im thinking of George Carlin…”Im not even gonna leave the house on election day. Fuck ‘em…Fuck ‘em. They dont dont give a fuck about you…they dont give a fuck about you!” Thats where Im at.
I know.
Twain drunk or sober, facist is as facist does.
I stand by my posit hoss . . . ;-)
NO apologies for any prez. None.
Only for the worse for the masses.
Hunker down, Blue . . . n keep a wary eye on the internet as they begin to come for us all. Much sooner n I dreamt they would.
x2
I gotta git, all y’all honest proggys and Firebaggers be well, look our for yerselves and for your loved ones, it’s only gonna worse.
Till then, we trudge on.
*raisesfist*
Hang in bro. See you tommorrow.
> My gut tells me the Obama Administration and
> Congressional leaders wanted this because they
> anticipate riots by Americans over economic matters.
This is correct. And because they’re all treasonous fascist pussies.
“If the Tea Party starts to go missing,…”
You’re looking in the wrong direction. Keep your eyes on the “professional left” and the DFH’s.
Oh please. Obama is a phony fake. He plays both sides of the fence …always. He’s a con man. He is consummate at being all things to all people but it is the elite who must actually be served and the people that will buy this BS that things just happened this way. Wake up
Bingo
I stuck my fucking neck out for him ’08, (read now absolutely unemployable) that’ll probably put me on the permanently unemployable list.
What do you mean, “despite?”
The Obama Administration SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED that language exempting American citizens from this ENABLING ACT be deleted. Read/watch it and weep.
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/10/the_real_definition_of_terrorism/singleton/
Likewise. Haven’t found the website yet, though.
“Free country” my ass.
No, he’s not. He’s a REAL fake. It’s the only genuine thing about him.
The whole veto thing was a con job. After it was “said” that Obama was going to veto the bill, a guy on the committee that wrote the legislation came out and said the language about detention was “specifically”ordered from the WH. It was just another duplicitous scam on the people. Just like the pipeline decision being moved until after the next election and all the rest.
“According to Senator Carl Levin, however, Americans should be a bit more concerned about what the president’s actual intentions are. Levin, who sits on the Armed Services Committee as chairman, has revealed to Congress that the Obama administration influenced the wording of the act and shot down text that would have saved American citizens from the indefinite imprisonment and suspension of habeas corpus.”
http://www.2ndrevolt.com/articles/article_view/Obama-insists-on-indefinite-detention-of-Americans
People that would vote for Obama are like a wife whose husband cheats on her endlessly and doesn’t even bother to cover it up like leaving panties hanging out of his pocket, then she believes the slimmest lie. Willful denial. A victim this willing usually ends up getting the absolute worst.
Bin Lauden is on a beach somewhere with a new face collecting phat checks from Kellogg Brown and Root.
I guess the only question remaining is, is our military on board with becoming this century’s new Gestapo? Will they willingly start detaining Americans en masse or will they oppose it?
Seems like military officers with a taste for power could now legally arrest a lot of oligarchs, and they have the hardware to do it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Anderson
http://www.justicepartyusa.net/
These links are looking strange, don’t know if I did this right, but if you google, Rocky Anderson bio, the wikipedia write up looks good. The Justice Party web “Prospectus and Action Plan” page gave a broad view. Both have me very excited.
But then, any Governor that called for the impeachment of George W, would get my interest, which then Gov. Anderson did.
Try this:
http://www.justicepartyusa.net
Cool, Walkinboots provided the answer. I keep telling myself to read to the end before replying after I come back to a thread. Maybe next time…
Green Party Presidential candidate Jill Stein spoke out against the defense authorization bill:
Even in death, Osama bin Laden’s wildest fantasies are enacted by U.S. “Leaders.” Beyond his wildest dreams the defeat of a nation from within, and by its own hand!
Wow, just Wow!
–Our country isn’t free, as it applies to you and me…(F. Zappa).
Ron Wyden you motherfucking motherfuck fuckstick asshole fuck!
Bahahahaha
You aren’t seriously suggesting that the same Democratic party that has caved on everything from FISA to the war, to impeachment, to single payer will actually act like an opposition party are you? Because past history suggests that just like Obama that they talk a good game but when push comes to shove they fold faster then it takes you to say Democratic party or progressive caucus.
Well they did make Georgie think twice about some things, for political mileage, mind you, but they did slow him down at times.
Obama acts like Cheney on steroids while the Dem party backs him up every step of the way. He couldn’t do it without them.
The process was slower but the Democratic Party pretty much rubber stamped W throughout his final 2 years. They “had to.” Otherwise the mean old Republicans would have called them names dontcha know.
Washington has become bad dinner theater and we’re all trapped atching it knowing its a farce but unable to do little to stop the show. We’re a freakin’ captive audience.
David – Thank you for the post – your read on what went on is spot on – unlike my own posts where I missed most of the important points.
Seems Senator Levin told Congress that under the original wording of the National Defense Authorization Act, American citizens were excluded from the provision that allowed for detention, but once Obama’s officials saw the text “the administration asked us to remove the language which says that US citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section.” – where “this section to be reworded was Section 1031 of the NDAA FY2012, which says that “any person who has committed a belligerent act” could be held indefinitely.
And indeed John Wood of Change.org writes that President Obama proposed a veto of Section 1032 of the NDAA, which does not pertain to the detention of American citizens, but instead deals with the use of the US military in taking custody of suspected criminals.
So Obama never was against the indefinite imprisonment of Americans, claims he already has that authority, and just wanted wording that did not remove that assumption of authority.
Sec. 1031 now says…(e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities, relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States. [From H.R.1540, public print version after amendment by senate reconciliation committee.
What a Great President./s
True. And it doesn’t matter which side of the duopoly wins. With either, in a couple of years, if not sooner, people will be dying in the streets.
So it’s third party for me. We have nothing to lose and you never know until you try.
a professional military always sides with the paymaster.
peas!
With the hollow out dreams of change and the fear of warm over nightmares, we are now a dictatorship.
I’m not a religious person… but I believe Obama is a DEMON.
He came right out of the bowels of HELL.
That fake toothy smile… is the smile of a demonic back stabbing piece of shit.
Obama… you betrayed us all you mother fucker.
Ah, thanks for the Justice Party link.
One minor correction: Anderson was mayor of Salt Lake City, not governor. But for a mayor of a deeply red state to call for Bush to get the hook is beyond praiseworthy.
Thank you as well.
Don’t deprive me of my last illusion. That would just be plain mean.
I wonder how this current Defense Authorization Bill fits in with previous ones, like the one congressional Republicans passed and Bush signed in October 2006? And how does this relate to the nationwide OWS protests?
(per Stateline(dot)com, 2-12-2007):
“A conflict over who should control Guard units arose in the days after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. President Bush sought to federalize control of Guardsmen in Louisiana in the chaos after the hurricane, but Gov. Kathleen Blanco (D) refused to relinquish command.
Over objections from all 50 governors, Congress in October (2006, one year after Katrina) tweaked the 200-year-old Insurrection Act to empower the hand of the president in future stateside emergencies. In a letter to Congress, the governors called the change “a dramatic expansion of federal authority during natural disasters that could cause confusion in the command-and-control of the National Guard and interfere with states’ ability to respond to natural disasters within their borders.”
The change adds to tensions between governors and the White House after more than four years of heavy federal deployment of state-based Guard forces to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. Since the 2001 terrorist attacks, four out of five guardsmen have been sent overseas in the largest deployment of the National Guard since World War II. Shortage of the Guard’s military equipment – such as helicopters to drop hay to snow-stranded cattle in Colorado – also is a nagging issue as much of units’ heavy equipment is left overseas and unavailable in case of a natural disaster at home.
A bipartisan majority of both chambers of Congress adopted the change as part of the 439-page, $538 billion 2007 Defense Authorization Bill signed into law last October.
The nation’s governors through the National Governors Association (NGA) successfully lobbied to defeat a broader proposal to give the president power to federalize Guard troops without invoking the Insurrection Act. But the passage that became law also “disappointed” governors because it expands federal power and could cause confusion between state and federal authorities trying to respond to an emergency situation, said David Quam, an NGA homeland security advisor.
“Governors need to be focused on assisting their citizens during an emergency instead of looking over their shoulders to see if the federal government is going to step in,” Quam said.
Under the U.S. Constitution, each state’s National Guard unit is controlled by the governor in time of peace but can be called up for federal duty by the president. The National Guard employs 444,000 part-time soldiers between its two branches: the Army and Air National Guards.
The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids U.S. troops from being deployed on American soil for law enforcement. The one exception is provided by the Insurrection Act of 1807, which lets the president use the military only for the purpose of putting down rebellions or enforcing constitutional rights if state authorities fail to do so. Under that law, the president can declare an insurrection and call in the armed forces. The act has been invoked only a handful of times in the past 50 years, including in 1957 to desegregate schools and in 1992 during riots in south central Los Angeles after the acquittal of police accused of beating Rodney King.
Congress changed the Insurrection Act to list “natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident” as conditions under which the president can deploy U.S. armed forces and federalize state Guard troops if he determines that “authorities of the state or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.”
Backers of the new rules, including U.S. Sens. John W. Warner (R-Va.) and Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) said the changes were needed to clarify the role of the armed forces in responding to serious domestic emergencies.”
And now in another Defense Authorization Bill, apparently we are seeing a further expansion of federal control over states, this time with a president being authorized to detain and lock-up American citizens on U.S. soil indefinitely, without due process. The fix is on, our democracy is in peril. Will the OWS protests be classified as an “insurrection”?
Oh I’m totally there.
I was going to write in Sanders. Now? I’m guessing my best hope will be to get Rocky Anderson on the ballot here or write him in.
Were all birthers now
Why did Rocky endorse Romney when Romney supported the Iraq war?
“this time with a president being authorized to detain and lock-up American citizens on U.S. soil indefinitely, without due process” – well- not quite
Obama claims he always had the right to do indefinite detention on Americans taken into custody anywhere in the world – and ScOTUS ahas already agreed re Americans taken into custody outside the US – and just has not as yet ruled on Americans taken into custody in the US.
So the fuss was wording that removed Obama’s claimed authority to take into indefinite detention without charge Americans in the US – with the wording now changed to say it does not change current law on Obama’s power to put folks into indefinite detention without charge.
What the veto promise was all about was the Congress FORCING him to use military commissions – now the new wording on that gives him loopholes so he can opt out of using military commissions, if he so choses.
I missed the fact that Obama already claimed that existing law gave him the right to toss the Constitution.
David’s analysis is spot on – he caught that fact from the start of his reporting on this.
Oh no, Fluffy…The Enabling Act or TEA…hmm…Vote? I don’t think so…where I live the 1st lesson one learns is “the only way to deal with a rigged game, is to NOT play” Deny the Bastids “legitamcy” and prepare for the Feneral. Election. Strike..beginning Nov 12th, 2012…if you are 21 by then…I ain’t playin
Of course he won’t veto it, giving the regime authority to indefinitely detain citizens who it chooses to label as ‘terrorist’ came from authorities well above potus.
Besides, you guys are gunna vote for him anyway, so who really cares?
Exactly. Presently I’m reading “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.” The similarities between 30′s Germany and 10′s Amerika are chilling (how did the Germans/Amerikans let this happen?)
Ron Paul has called this latest “security is everything!” law a step toward Martial Law. But Ron Paul is the kook, and all the Dems and Reps in Congress and the White House are sane, wonderful, freedom-loving representatives. Yup.
Agreed! things I am fear will get worse we already see how the police are more like Navy Seals than the cop on the beat! I am close to 60 years old and I do feel really bad for the young people in this country and for young people around the world!
Hopefully we can help them change the system for the better but it will not be easy ir without costs.
I spent time and money to help Obama get elected and I am going to spend double the time and money to see that he is not elected again. This man is a liar and is owned by the 1%. My husband is collecting signatures to get The Justice Party on the ballot and I will do my best to get Rocky Anderson Elected. I think if Obama wins or a republican wins, it doesn’t matter. Same Same, but we need someone who will do what Obama promised. I don’t know if we will find one, but Rocky Anderson’s past shows that he seems to care about people and he is all for the 99% and Occupy Wall Street. We have to show Obama that when he lies to his base and treats us like crap, he will lose his job.
The old saw was never truer. Democrats will never win because while Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line. We fell in love with OB and now we’re paying for it.
Of all the sick things the last 10 plus years, this tops them all I believe. Unbelievable.
And yet, in spite of the glaring obviousness of what is happening, there will still be people out there saying that Obama is the great progressive defender of our civil rights. My sense of wonder at how anyone can defend O with a straight face died a long time ago.
I’m sure that when citizens awaken to the sounds of their front doors rammed open in the wee hours of the night or just plain yanked off the street seemingly at random, people like Joan Walsh, Rachel Maddow and others will still find a way to defend Obama. I’m reminded of that old National Lampoon piece called “Deteriorata” in which a solemn voice intones among other things “Two wrongs do not make a right, but three do.” In fact, I’d recommend it as Obama’s new campaign song.
Yup. And Habeas Corpus to boot. You know. The principle considered a foundation of Western law for almost a thousand years? Yeah. I would very much like to see a list of the senators who voted for this treason against the Constitution, and their oath of office to it.
They should all be made to resign. Though if it were up to me they’d be answering to criminal charges. Obama included, or perhaps especially. This is sociopathic, megalomaniacal overreach of the worst sort.
I don’t care if you have to vote for an ACTUAL crazy Socialist to do it, just don’t vote for ANYONE who voted or advocated for this unspeakable betrayal.
On a side note: The energy crisis is over! Scientists have found that our War Dead and finest historical Statesmen are now spinning in their graves fast enough to qualify as a high-capacity industrial power source.
Sure, I’ll vote for her. Sounds better than the walking piece of excrement currently in office. Cosmos knows, we need a more environmental approach to things at this point anyway.