Congress has mostly left Washington, with no resolution on a host of year-end measures that, if allowed to expire, will result in an average $1,000 tax increase, the expiration of unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, and a 27% rate cut in Medicare reimbursement. House Republicans left behind eight “conferees” for a conference on the payroll tax/UI/doc fix bill, and plan to hold showy events where they sit in a room alone, but Democrats have adamantly refused to reopen negotiations until the short-term bill passes. Meanwhile, half of the conferees opposed the payroll tax cut extension as recently as a few weeks ago.
So far, nobody’s buying the GOP spin. That can be seen by the fact that none other than the Wall Street Journal editorial page is going after Republicans for their conduct on this fiasco:
GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell famously said a year ago that his main task in the 112th Congress was to make sure that President Obama would not be re-elected. Given how he and House Speaker John Boehner have handled the payroll tax debate, we wonder if they might end up re-electing the President before the 2012 campaign even begins in earnest.
The GOP leaders have somehow managed the remarkable feat of being blamed for opposing a one-year extension of a tax holiday that they are surely going to pass. This is no easy double play [...]
After a year of the tea party House, Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats have had to make no major policy concessions beyond extending the Bush tax rates for two years. Mr. Obama is in a stronger re-election position today than he was a year ago, and the chances of Mr. McConnell becoming Majority Leader in 2013 are declining.
At this stage, Republicans would do best to cut their losses and find a way to extend the payroll holiday quickly.”
Individual Republicans are bailing as well. Bob Corker counseled the House GOP to pass the extension and “move on.” John McCain said the issue “is harming the Republican Party.” Right now, this is a nightmare scenario for the GOP.
Dave Weigel argues that won’t last. The other side always blinks, and with the payroll tax holiday nearing expiration, they will again.
Republicans have a shifting set of demands. They want the “reforms” to unemployment benefits, including allowing the states to force drug testing and the completion of a GED. This would turn a program that workers pay for in their weekly paychecks into something like welfare. They want to roll back that EPA boiler rule, one of the major features of the original House bill. I heard David Dreier straight-up lie on NPR’s All Things Considered last night, claiming that the House bill would have forced the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, rather than forcing the President to make an expedited decision.
House Republicans simply think they can get a better deal, and as has been the case all year, they are willing to take the pressure in the belief that Democrats will cave and give them more than what they get out of the short-term extension. So far, Democrats are not biting, allowing Republicans to suffer mass condemnation. We’ll see who blinks first.



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G’mornin’ dday, you are an amazing posting machine, as usual.
On the merits, I honestly don’t give a shit about the payroll tax cut. Let the “tax cut” expire. We would be consistent with our demand to let all the Shrub tax cuts expire, too. We need to jealously defend Social Security’s dedicated funding, which is the FICA deduction on everybody’s paycheck. (I know, I know, general revenue will restore the Social Security funding, so no harm done, but still the dedicated deduction is critical.)
Even if the FICA tax goes back up to 6%, which network teevee said last night would be about $20 bucks more per week per worker, why should we as progressives squawk about that on the merits?
Much more important: extending unemployment benefits. That is why these GOP assholes are being simply cruel & heartless. We should hammer on UI, on the millions who will be dropped even though they have been hunting desperately for work for years, not on the extra $20 bucks a week coming out of the paychecks of every worker lucky enough to still have a job.
P.S. That linky to the Slate article was tagged to several sentences, so the linky to the NPR piece about Dreier got lost in the weeds.
Also, aren’t the Senate Dems more interested in forcing a formal “recess” in Congress? You and Jon Walker explained the intricate chess game involved in producing an actual “recess” when the House doesn’t want one. But if Senate Dems refuse to reconvene the Senate, can they open a window for preznit to make recess appointments to NLRB, CFPB, etc?
In the Dave Weigel article, Congressman Stephen LaTourrette of Ohio is quoted as saying that there are all these employers in his district who are begging for workers right now. However, there’s no information on his website as to who these employers are, what positions they are offering, or where one can go to find out this information. I then called his Washington office and one of his Ohio ones. The fellows I got on the telephone dithered in response to the query and punted. The DC guy put me on hold; I hung up after about five minutes. The guy in Ohio asked for my phone number so he could have someone call me back. I’m not expecting a return call.
Does anyone have any insight as to who these employers in LaTourrette’s district are? Or what positions they are looking to fill? Or where information about these jobs can be found?
Without doing any research I can be 100% confidant that the distinguished gentleman from Ohio pulled that statement right out of his ass. He can just say that was not meant to be a factual statement.
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Instead of CONTINUALLY bashing Republicans for not passing this farsical Bill, why doesn’t FDL explain how passing it is in the best interests of our country?
The “payroll tax cut” is just a way to destroy Social Security. I’m glad the Repubs are supposedly against it. I say “supposedly” because the Dems and Repubs continue to work hand-in-glove to destroy what’s left of FDR’s New Deal programs.
Let the “payroll tax cut” die.
I just LOVE that picture of Boehner. Nothing I have seen quite captures the essence of the man as well as that characature.
I think that the notion that the republicans will get most of the blame for the shit we’re in, and that, at this late date, Obama can make political hay out of cosmetically confronting them on relatively minor issues, is a fantasy.
In fact, it’s worse than a fantasy: it’s mis-direction that ignores the truth: that when he had the clout to make real, substantive changes, he laid down like a cur dog for the conservatives.
After the mid-term ass-whipping, it’s all been kabuki…with Obama trying to posture and preen as the poor, put-upon crusader for change, whose wonderful efforts are being thwarted by the big, bad, republicans.
The voters didn’t buy it in the mid-terms, and they won’t buy it for the 2012 election, either.
I NEVER was in favor of the so-called “Payroll Tax Cut.” It’s just another thin edge of the wedge to destry soc sec. Instead the FICA tax cap should be raised *dramatically* to enhance and improve Soc Sec. The so-called “Payroll Tax Cut” does next to nothing in terms of allegedly “stimulating” the economy.
I, too, would LOVE to know why progressives so be ever so “in favor” of it. This ONE of the few things that I would thank Repukes for doing.
UI benefits is another story, of course, and frankly, UI benefits would do more to stimulate the economy while also giving many citizens a much needed life-line. No surprises, then, that the 1% has pulled a “thumbs down” on that one.
I thought bashing republicans was our primary objective. Lemme check the by-laws and charter.
Thanks. I keep hearing/seeing conservative-libertarians braying about “lots of jobs” in some never-never fantasy land of their own make-believe fairy tale fiction. We’ve been castigated here by libertarian bloggers who say the unemployed are merely “too lazy” to go MOVE somewhere where there are just jobs a-plenty.
I have YET to learn where this mythical utopia actually IS – you know, geographically – that the unemployed are supposed to move TO.
Lotta bullshit. But pols never get to suffer the consequences of their bald-faced lies. More’s the pity.
No doubt you are right. However, according to the polls and analysts, the clear winner here is Obama and the clear losers are the house republicans. Eventually, they will work something out because they HAVE to or risk alienating too many people.
IMO this is really a pissing match between the senate and the house and, quite possily, has nothing to do with US at all.
I’ve been back and forth on this issue. I don’t think it will make much of a difference. But, after considerable thought, and that’s quite the chore for me, I’ve decided it couldn’t hurt.
We have a “Utopia” here in Texas. But, I’ve been there, and it’s horribly misnamed.
Bottom line people; neither Reid nor Boner give a crap about you or me or the 99%. 1 in 2 Americans is poor. Go outside and look at all the closed shops and houses for sale. The Government keeps revising numbers for the worse or changing how they are calculated to make things seem better.
Could not agree more.
It’s utterly BOGUS to buy into the mythical Repukes v. DemoRATS nonsense. All pols are *responsible* for the mess we’re in, bc ALL of ‘em – most especially Obama – are in the thrall of the 1%.
All we see here is yet another Act in the ongoing Kabuki Show. This Act is entitled
By the way, the idea that Barack Obama “is in a stronger re-election position than he was a year ago, is arrant nonsense.
With Iraq sliding into the factional shithouse, and no real legislation to help poor and working-class americans, Barack Obama’ chances for a second term are riding on the campaign slogan of:
“You have to vote for me; the republicans are even worse.”
That strategy was used in the mid-terms and was found wanting.
China and then take the lowest job on the totem pole over there.
No shit. Go to your local Mall TODAY and see the paucity of citizens there buying stuff… there’s not a huge amount in many stores this season.
Caveat: I’m not a huge advocate of typical US consumerism, but I point out that this Xmas “shopping season” is quite dismal, which reflects that we is poor poor poor.
And no politician in the DC village bubble gives one shit bc they are all part of the 1%. The 99% rabble can get stuffed. The end.
Depends a lot on which R is chosen IMO. Right now I think Obama is in a fairly good position – he doesn’t deserve it though.
China? Ok maybe, but then you gotta learn Mandarin and good luck with that. And it’ll be a big help if you are of Asian background.
That said, I DO have a number of Asian-Amer. friends, whose kids ARE getting good jobs in China these days. It IS where the jobs are, but mostly ONLY for those with highly specialized training and expert language skills.
That said, too, China is currently experiencing the bursting of its own real estate bubble, so who knows how many jobs will be available there???
Oh, I think some cosmetic “something” will be worked out, but it will be part of protecting the impetus for corporate control of our government and our country. Obama has irrevocably committed himself to that, whether he does it or the republicans do it.
As for the polls, the buck is going to stop on Barack Obama’s desk, not John Boehner’s. And it should. He was the one who came into the White House with all of the tools to mount the salvage operation, and he has sold them to the GOP for pennies on the dollar. I think the bottom line is that the voters will remember that when they’re in the booth. I welcome it. The worst thing that can happen in 2012 is for Barack Obama to be rewarded with another 4 years for his abject cowardice.
I agree as usual. IMO, to show how BAD things are,to MANY, Ron Paul appears to be “the smartest man in the room.”
Like GW Bush, Obama is the incumbent. And like GW Bush’s 2d campagin, Obama will be run against a VERY WEAK R “candidate.” The results are predictable.
To be boringly redundant: the 1% will choose their next hired hand. From the perspective of the 1%, what’s not to like with Obama? Obama’s great from the 1% vantage point. Hence, my prediction is that Obama will “win.” Just like GW Bush “won” both times. You do the math.
INdeed, although I agree with you, BO’s approval ratings have jumped 5% in the past month. According to many polls, he’s back UP to 49%.
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Blew me over too. And I weight 210………………well, 215…………..OK…..218
It’s relative: right now, compared with the GOP shitheads, he looks like Abraham Lincoln, but there are some awful chickens about to start coming home, and when they do, I think “Anybody but Mitt!” will become “Anybody but Obama!”, with a vengeance.
Have I complimented you recently on being very astute and, how do you say someone writes and speaks well????
I said it a couple of times yesterday: I’m not a huge fan of Ron Paul, but I give him some credit for having a consistent and coherent message. I mostly do NOT agree with his politics, but he doesn’t deviate.
And I do think that Paul IS one of the smarter so-called “Republican” candidates at this time. That said, it’s a VERY LOW bar, let’s face it. But I do think Paul is smart enough. Just don’t like *most* of what he advocates (like some of it, though).
I do agree that Obama is a 1 per center’s wet dream:
A “socialist” democrat who’s busted his political ass to preserve and protect the corporatism that is ruining the country.
Which, again, is kind of an ace in the hole for him. The GOP smart money knows that if somehow, one of the crazies got in, we WOULD have the collapse, and no bullshit about it. If that happened, we’d be open for an FDR type of solution, with all that implies about the government again being forced to protect, to some extent, the poor and working class. Now that Obama is facilitating the corporate ownership of the U.S. Government, that backsliding into the “by, for, and of” stuff is the last thing that the fat cats want to see. Hence, the increasing likelihood of a Romney-Obama charade in 2012. Either way, Wall Street and the Banksters, are covered.
You’re not “boringly” redundant. But, $5 will get you $10, Romney wins.
I have seen your comments on Paul and I agree. Although he wanders off the reservation occassionally and he reminds me of Pat Paulsen from the Smothers Brother show.
But indeed the GOP has set the lunacy bar so low that most of the candidates can clear it in street shoes.
We have more than that to Bash republicans about. Just think of all those Golden things they said back in 2009 before the elections.
Jobs, Education, Economic stabilzation, well you know.
They FAILED!
Since everyone is upset with Dems for their fails, what makes the CONSelfservatids think Americans want more of them?
Oh yeah: I don’t think Paul will ever get the nomination. It’ll probably be Romney, unless “they” decide to bring JEB into the picture now (rather than 2016). Time will tell.
But I think Paul will get some traction this campaign season, mainly bc his “competition” is mostly insane and/or ridiculous and/or stupid.
What mass condemnation, David??? I don’t think you are doing FDL a service pushing this meme. We keep telling you we want that payroll tax cut to expire. I don’t hear anyone supporting your position except folk who haven’t realized what Obama is doing to them.
It is so much more helpful to see what both sides of the “aisle” are doing, and that is posturing to the people – who aren’t listening to them any longer.
A payroll tax cut was a bad idea; let it expire.
A payroll tax cut was a bad idea; let it expire.
A payroll tax cut was a bad idea; let it expire.
(Say something three times and maybe somebody will hear you.)
‘Guy, thanks for the props. Bakatacha. :o)
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Whether or not the payrole tax cut is good or bad is debatable. More money in the hands of working families can do nothing but help those families in a time of economic difficulties. My understanding was that originally the shortfall was to be made up by the so-called “millionares tax”. Of course anybody who believed that would pass rides unicorns.
All that being said I, like all of you, have no faith in this administration holding firm in the face of even the slightest pressure from republicans so eventually caving by way of giving the house the concessions it is demanding ould come as no surprise.
NO dopuibt MOST Americans are checking the “none of the above” box. But,in our system, that doesn’t work. I remember, when I was in college, one night at dinner we had a choice of liver or tongue……….. I said, I hate liver, and I will not eat something that’s been in a cow’s mouth. Just fix me some eggs.
There are those of us here who think Obama is truly the Manchurian candidate and was trained from before birth by the CIA (or similar). Yeah: put on yer tinfoil hat for that one, but there is *some* evidence pointing in that direction. Certainly, since FDR managed to pass the New Deal, and esp after LBJ managed to pass Civil Rights, the rightwing 1%er have been working, scheming, planning and operating to GET to exactly where we are today.
Yeah: more tinfoil hat time. You can be judge if I’m totally nuts or totally on the money… or somehwere in between… ;-)
Last night on Rachel Maddow they thoroughly investigated the Jeb Bush thing and destroyed ALL the myths about him riding in onhis white horse to save the party. Trust me, he’s sitting this one out.
The WSJ editorial page said that? The Fox News owned Everything is good for the GOP biased WSJ ed page said that? When reality hits the WSJ ed page its a tipping point.
How many years have we been told about removing tax burdens and regulations on the “Job Creators”?
How much longer will they whip that dead horse?
First of all, I am pro welfare. Second, I do not know how you can claim that unemployment after 99 weeks is paid for out of people’s own paychecks. If we want the insurance to cover over 99 weeks, the amount taken out of paychecks would have to be much much higher. At this point, it is welfare, which we can argue for on its own merits.
Yogi Berra would be so proud.
Well, Obama did tell us to eat our Peas. I think we need a small family farmer to run the place. At least he would have some work and food for us.
I don’t think you NEED the tinfoil hat………But I wouldn’t throw it away if I were you.
Until he gets up.
That is very likely. Here is how I see Agent Orange’s assessment. He only has to endure one more day of abuse and then the whole country moves into holiday mode and no one outside DC will pay any attention whatever. So the ball goes back into Obama’s court whether he likes it or not. AO is assuming that, at that point, the standard ObamaCrat capitulation occurs, the House gets the GOP a better deal, and AO looks great. I would not bet against that scenario.
As to the merits, who gives a shit about the payroll tax? Whatever happened to the deficit that is crippling the country, that is making us plan to slash our meager social safety net, that means federal employees won’t get a raise as long as Obama is president? The deficit only pops up when convenient to push the policy at hand. As to that policy, here is Obama arguing for a tax cut that is “fully paid for”; in doing so Obama has adopted the GOP Con frame completely. Undoubtedly, we will see the deficit reappear once the next run at social security happens.
Bottom line: this is a tempest in a teapot, another DC kabuki show which will likely further enfeeble Obama even as it reinforces Conservative framing and pushes the Overton Window ever further Right. Wake me up when (if) Obama actually fights for something important, like raising taxes on the rich or regulating greenhouse gases.
If I may borrow from our esteemed philospher……..(Concerning America), “The problem is we’re making too many of the wrong mistakes.”
Funny you should mention that. I know one, and he still has one term to serve.
Is “enfeeble” a word?????
Things are getting incrementally better though; last year I would have said the distinguished gentleman from Ohio couldn’t even find his asshole with a flashlight.
“A journey of a thousand miles begins with but a single step.” But who in his right mind wants to walk that far???
Beef tongue is great try the taco’s boil it forever until you can slice off the skin easy with a knife, then remove cut in small pieces add peppers green tomatoes, lemon maybe garlic.
Menudo (intestines) is what you should worry about if you don’t boil it enough e coli is a worry and intestines are where e coli lives boil that until soft (which takes forever ) and have the fan on the smell of intestine’s boiling is bad real real bad.
But the end result with the right spices is great. Also its good for hang overs I wonder if dead e coli are macro biotic food for intestines hurt by a night of drinking or maybe its the spices and lemon in Menudo.
Exactly! Well said. I said it in a nutshell yesterday…this is chickenshit!
My memory goes as far back as Newt. In real life practice probably Reagan and since then living standards for workers have dropped. Under Bush/Obama this idea was put into full effect and things have gotten even worse.
Been waiting for you to show up. Thanks for the suggestions. I think I’ll just have a salad.
Corollary to that maxim is a Turkish proverb I love…No matter how far you have traveled down the wrong road, turn back!
Try Turnip Greens tons of vitamins :)
They’ll whip the “trickle down/job creator” theory until the end of time. Believe me. Over the past few weeks in my print “nooz” paper, there’s been a steady stream of letters to the editor propounding the braindead notion that “trickle down,” you know, WORKS. I kid you not, and I don’t believe all the letters are written by paid sock-puppets.
As Lincoln said: you can fool some of the people ALL of the time.
As long as a significant portion of the 99% is willingly co-dependent on and enabling of the 1%, this theory will be propounded.
In some ways I agree. I was talking with a painter who enjoyed working 6 months on and 6 months off collecting “his” UI. He was also living with a self employed girlfriend who easily covered most of his expenses.
Yep! Crazy stuff. Keep beating the horse that is dead until it does like Newcarguy says.
Hope you enjoy your long long long snooze, Rip van Winkle.
Agree with all you said. Kabuki Show, per usual.
May I respond with Professor Irwin Corey’s ONLY famous quote:
“If we don’t change direction soon we’ll end up where we’re going.”
But I love yours. Can I use it?
Republicans think people are stupid. If they go on TV and claim that they actually WANT a payroll tax cut for a year because they want to honor the president’s request, people will say how amazing they are. We all know that the Republicans don’t give a shit about the payroll tax cut or unemployment benefits. They want to score points and a deal for the oil company. If they cared that much about the payroll tax cut, they’d pass it.
Like you, I don’t care about the payroll tax cut. Most of it benefits people making over $50K a year anyway. And if history proves right, as soon as companies see that you have some extra money, they’ll raise prices–all of them–so you have to pay more for health insurance, or groceries, or gas, or utilities, or fees. You’ll end up worse than before.
If Dems respond to this baiting, I’ll lose even more respect for them…if that’s possible. Let the Republicans go on making shit up and outright lying–will somebody call them on it? Why does the press let them get away with that stuff? You’re right–name these job creators who say all their candidates are drug addicts. Drug testing & transcripts for unemployment benefits defines the Republican view of the unemployed–that it’s all addicts and dropouts. That’s insulting, elitist, and invasive. It’s fascist, really. Let’s demand drug testing and annual documentation for everybody taking govt money, including Congress. Look at how long oil companies have been on the dole and they don’t even pay any taxes on their profits!
It’s scary that people actually vote for these people.
“Is “enfeeble” a word?????”
You bet. You can look it up: Obama’s picture is next to the definition.
Do the Righty blogs have as many OT or full diaries about food like we do I don’t go there except to check links, do research or end writers block.
I thing talk about such non political topics like food, music etc shows we are a grass roots community and might be a sign we use to define other alleged grass roots movements from fake grass roots movements like the Tea Baggers.
Of course I could be wrong I wonder what kind of foods they talk about on their threads? McD’s yum, Gulf Shrimp is even tastier than regular shrimp nothing beats that chemical after taste, food bought on sale because of an FDA recall is a bargain! ( melons went on sale after the recall news).
tmack wrote: “Republicans think people are stupid.”
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I don’t agree with the republicans very often. BUt, here, I think they may have a point. Look at the recent polls and, “Jaywalking” on Leno. You’ll think so too. Or, you can come over to my house for Christmas and meet some of my wife’s family.
I did and it is.!
“If we don’t change direction soon we’ll end up where we’re going.”
Ha! Good one.
What did he say? I say those policies will lead to revolution and or economic collapse I keep changing my mind about what will happen first with every day’s new news stories.
Another delusion by the newspapers.
The GOP was supposed to have suffered a “huge” embarrassment and PR strike after the “fiasco” of the debt ceiling deal. A month later, the GOP took over a House district that had 60% Democratic registration and had long been
Democratic.
The only backlash is in the minds of editors. with all the “fighting” Obama did and positioning the GOP with “millionaires and billionaires,” he only gained one point in the Gallup poll from late August. There is no back lash.
In this case Boehner is right, the Senate should have given the middle class a one year extension–if they were going to extend.
The Senate is disfunctional with Reid in charge.
Obama is disfunctional when everybody doesn’t go his way. He barely functioned when he had big Democratic majorities.
Time for Congress to quit fooling around and posturing and get back to work and get this done. We want a year, not two months.
I have been predicting that to myself since “black Friday”. People were only out for the best deals because they don’t have much to spend this year.
After setting records the MSM was predicting that was a indication that it was going be a banner year for consumerism. Fat chance. No one but the 1% has money. I think this is going to be one the worst seasons ever for retailers.
Maybe in some of the lessor depressions consumer confidence was a cause of the slow down, not this time. The 1%ers are operating as if they pretend that the problem is consumers holding back, they won’t have to admit to themselves that they killed the Golden Goose when they crashed the economy.
It is like the rent seekers and house flippers in this area; they are pretending the market is going to spring back, so they are holding rents high on empty houses. I have seen a couple of houses empty for 2 years here, but the owners still want premium rent and spotless records to rent them out; as if they are still going to get some suckers to pay their mortgages for them. (Some of that is ego since these are simple rent seekers that have been touting their superiority over their peers because they are “in real estate”; even though they don’t even own the properties, the banks do.)
Use it freely unless you know allot of ancient Turks. Corey was great and that is very Yogi Berra like. Reminds me of crowding around the Philco with my Brothers and Sisters on Saturday mornings back in the 1900′s.
OMG, I agree with you AND Boehner. The senate SHOULD have given it a one year extention. I BLAME Reid for that. But, from I heard last night, this whole thing became a pissing match between the senate and the house and it wasn’t about the tax break and the UI extension at all. Strictly who’s in charge.
People are watching less tv. Newspapers since the Fairness Doctrine was removed have seen readers disappear for decades more and more people read the net for news. I take that as proof the majority of Americans are not stupid however we do still need to get angry when GOPers steal elections. Bush Florida, Bush Ohio comes to mind given that nobody went to jail for that I don’t think it likely the GOP won the Tea Bagger election without stealing it the Tea Baggers despite constant Media coverage never got the crowds the immigrant rights protests did.
They could not put up a 24 hr 7 days a week counter protest to Wisconsin or OWS. The idea that all Tea Baggers had jobs and could not protest being used as an excuse was very funny:)
OMG, me too. Philco B/W with a broken channel selector. We had to use needle-nose pliars to change channels.
I saw financial “experts” on cnbc touting the “rental” market as the next great investment. Where I am people are buying foreclosed houses and trying to lease them but it’s not working out and life is getting harder for most people. I go by xmas lights as an economic indicator. My neighborhood is the darkest it’s ever been in 22 years.
Ours is a consumer-based economy that depends on the middle class having money to spend on discretionary purchases. Since wages and income have not increased in 30 years — and aren’t now — the source of the middle class’ discretionary spending power was real estate appreciation and cheap credit, both of which have disappeared. You can figure out the rest, I’m sure.
Wasn’t it after that deal that Rep Ryan went from potential top pick as GOP VP to most unpopular elected politician in America?
Wasn’t it after that deal that the Tea Baggers went down in the polling below Muslim’s in America? A drop in the polls for the GOP does not translate into a rise in the polls for Obama thats binary either or thinking.
It did translate on the Lefty blogs to talk of a third party though.
I quit cable TV 5 months ago. Best decision I’ve made in a long time.
I can confirm that down here in SE Texas too. And, WE are in better shape than MOST of the country, statistically, not philosophically.
The CB doesn’t support your pessimism.
The U.S. Census Bureau announced today that advance estimates of U.S. retail and food services sales for November, adjusted for seasonal variation and holiday and trading-day differences were up 6.7 percent above November 2010.
Total sales for the September through November 2011 period were up 7.4 percent from the same period a year ago.
Retail trade sales were up 6.8 percent above last year.
Nonstore retailers sales were up 13.9 percent from November 2010 and gasoline stations sales were up 12.9 percent from last year.
My friend at the library is trying to build section 8 homes I think he called it people who get a government check for rent that market I think is safe and will grow as more people get unemployed, lose healthcare and don’t see a doctor in time to get needed medical treatment. Of course I expect the GOP to cut those funds next.
Wait until the numbers are revised.
So sad to hear you quit cable. I can update you on everything important you missed. (see list below)
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Buyer’s remorse is kicking in, and people are returning a lot of stuff purchased earlier in the holdiay season. Anecdotally, it *appears* to me this year that the retailers are quite *desparate* with a constant barrage of deals and lowered prices.
For the heck of it, I visited a nearby Macy’s yesterday. It was eerily quiet and offering up to 90% (!!) off some merchandise, plus they had published a LOT of coupons in yesterday’s paper.
The mall was dead at lunch time…
Not a good sign. The 99% just doesn’t have the money this year.
The other week, I was in one of those Dollar stores, and it was packed with people. Most of them commented that they couldn’t spend much this year. It’s not good.
Total Numbers go up but if you were to factor in the growth in population?
True the numbers under Obama almost always get revised down not up. The GOP should jump on Obama for that its a legit complaint but that would mean hurting Wallstreet which needs happy news to avoid a panic.
I rent out a room in my home. It’s been getting harder to find renters bc so many citizens are doing the same thing.
Buying a big house as a rental property is not such a good idea these days. Maybe a small house, possibly.
But more people are renting out rooms in their homes, and that has become more of a “renter’s market” bc there are more choices. But it is interesting bc some years ago, it was more of a “landlord’s market” bc less people rented out rooms in their homes.
This is just anecdotal, mind you, but there has been a sea change in this kind of rental over the past several years since the crash.
My former boss at an international contract manufacturing company was telling me that when they laid off workers in England, they had to pay a year’s severance, in France they had to pay 2 years pay. This sure kept the corporation from using people’s paychecks for their executive bonus checks in those countries. Obviously, it makes for a lot more stable employment in those countries as it forces the companies to have “skin in the game”.
Here it is an anonymous group insurance policy that is a shared between all employers so there really isn’t any downside to laying people off.
This would be a great place for improvement here. Heh, it could even be sold as a tax cut since they wouldn’t be paying the UI anymore!
http://retailsails.com/2011/07/15/friday-news-notes-this-weak-in-consumer-spending/
July this year sorry I can’t find more recent numbers that factor in per capita spending and inflation but I suspect after the new year we will see a bunch of updated articles on this topic.
They will revise those figures downward. As they have for each important indicator during our recession.
The September to October 2011 percent change was
revised from +0.5 percent to +0.6 percent
So no one likes the idea of cutting payroll taxes. I think it is a good idea except all the poison they stuck in the bill. A working man can use that extra thousand even if some think it is just a drop in the bucket. And then there is unemployment. Let them starve? Nah. I want the bill.
As to defunding SS? No, this won’t defund it. There really is no fund there anyway. You protect SS at the ballot box. An election of a tea bagger and another congress like the house today and they cn vote SS cuts all they want, notwithstanding the existence of a fund. Then they can drag SS to the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.
First comes the welfare of our people. Then comes the faux worry about a fund.
Heard on the radio today the fastest growing segment of Dollar Store customers are in the 100K and up income range.
So who should I believe? The Government or my lying eyes?
Bush just sent everyone $600 as an early tax return when he wanted to buy our votes. Much simpler and no kabuki.
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http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/retail-sales-november-2011-02
Until the 1950s renting out free rooms was common practice. You can look it up on the old census records. Prosperity and suburbanization caused the practice to be generally abandoned. Now kids in their thirties (!)are moving back with their parents.
As to the malls, it’s my impression that business is also down. Maybe people have enough stuff already, I dunno. The liquor shops are crowded.
Must be selling out of Maddog 2020. :)
That’s the Golden Goose. RIP
Military spending does not circulate.
“We’ll see who blinks first.”
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Dems! as always!
Renting out rooms sort of went of fashion for a while when everyone had a higher standard of living, were earning enough money, but weren’t living way beyond their means. Plus for a time-period, people tended to live in more modest-sized homes, so they really didn’t have the spare space to rent out to someone else.
That all changed from the 1980s onwards, where the trend was to purchase ever bigger McMansions and to have less people living in more house than needed. Plus generally live beyond your means.
I co-own a home with a friend, that’s really “too big” but we use the house for several purposes (businesses) that require more space, plus we rent out the Master Suite to defray expenses. I think it’s the wave of the future, frankly, esp if people have bigger homes that they can’t “afford” to sell bc the housing market is down.
Probably. The Dollar stores make sense for certain types of purchases. I certainly use them, and although I’m not wealthy, I am fortunate enough to earn a decent salary. But why pay more??
I think citizens are finally starting to wake up to the fact that living more frugally (something I’ve done all my life, but that’s just me) makes a lot more sense than spending needlessly on expensive stuff.
I agree on one level. It was much more blatant but somehow more “honest” in a way. I know my conservative family *venerated* Bush for this “giant windfall” blah blah blah. It was a much hocus-pocus as the stupidity that I feel the payroll tax cut is. Which is another reason, among many, why I dislike the payroll tax cut. bogus.
This is going to be the new normal. Every generation has a new “normal”, it was normal two generations ago to actually pay off your mortgage and have a party where you burned it.(The mortgage not the house)
I would imagine we will see the return of extended family living. Homes will become larger, not smaller, in order to accommodate the various generations living under one roof.
By 2014, the world will be in the full throes of a progressive renaissance that will create a beautiful world for all humans to be proud of. All the myths about limited resources and choices will be exposed as the human race finally discovers it really is all about love and service to others.
Juliania, Don’t you think so yet? Dayen seems to be an official, establishment, Obama promoter. So be careful about reading Dayen. He is subtle about it, though. For example, he always frames issues in terms of Republicans vs. Obama (or vs. an issue that Obama supports as though that is a good position).
The fact that Dayen, like Mainstream Media, mentions the “payroll tax cut” without pointing out that the “payroll tax cut” is in fact “a reduction in contributions to social security” is a dead giveaway whose side Dayen is on.
(Obama actually actively lobbies to cut contributions to social security, thus fulfilling the prophesy that the program will not have enough funding, when that was not the case. It leads you to believe that Obama is totally unacceptable to be voted for. To scheme to bring down social security is unacceptable for a Democrat.)
I would rather go by the real poll that matters–at the ballot box.
A month after they were supposedly “killed” in the debt ceiling debate, the GOP won the House special election in a Democratic district. No backlash at all.
For the other polls–as noted, Obama has only gone up one point in Gallup since August. Statistically, the same as he was.
When you realize that the tea party people are just doing exactly what they were elected to do and promised to do; not allow politics as usual, you can see why no back lash.
DC is just used to the polite games that happen and pull the wool over the public’s eyes, so they see what is happening as “horrid.’
No, it is “let’s get the full year done,” and move on to other issues rather than the Obama/Reid formula which is, “Do this and then we will redo it again in a month and fight about the same things.”
No, let’s fight about it now and get it done.
On the other hand, Obama has given up on this year anyway. He’s too busy campaigning.
It’s a double edged sword for the WH though because the fact that millions will be without benefits underscores just how dismally this admin has done at righting the econmic ship and underscores the fact that the rosy numbers of an “improved” economy are largely a mirage.
I suspect THIS is why Obama was speaking with Boehner and Reid today. I hope Reid realizes that he’s being played.
I don’t know homes are pretty large already hence the term Mcmansion. That being said, I do agree that we have now entered the age of extended families. Grown children will put off starting new households and the older community will share with their adult children to stretch their incomes.