National Journal’s Major Garrett sketches out a possible scenario for an acceptable endgame to the payroll tax fight.
House Republicans see the futility of fighting President Obama the week before Christmas and agree to the Senate’s two-month payroll-tax cut extension on one condition: Senate Democrats agree to go to conference on a full, one-year payroll tax extension with spending cut offsets by Feb. 1. Senior House GOP aides would not say if this is under active consideration but would not rule it out. John Harwood of CNBC and The New York Times first reported this possibility. Probability: 50 percent.
I could see this happening. Republicans are all in on this conference committee, which is amusing because they’ve abandoned them for the bulk of this Congress. So they can say that they got the negotiation session they needed, and that they allowed the stopgap just to get through the negotiation period.
To be clear, I like conference committees. They indeed do represent what should be the regular order of the House and Senate, to resolve differences in legislation. They have become an endangered species of late because, with an increasingly polarized, Parliamentary-style Congress, the differences are more intra-party rather than intra-chamber. In addition, conference motions can be filibustered in the Senate, and sometimes the minority have used that tactic to block conferences from happening.
This payroll tax situation is actually a case where, unlike past practice, the party leadership doesn’t want to shoulder the responsibility for coming up with the compromise, at least not in the House. Speaker Boehner tried that by empowering Mitch McConnell, and he lost his caucus on the compromise in the process. So by naming conferees from the whole range of the caucus, they can take the credit – or the blame – for the compromise that results.
Sarah Binder has more on why the GOP went the conference route on this one.
So why did the House GOP insist on a conference with the Senate—contrary to recent trends? If the party’s key priority is securing swift agreement on a full year extension of the payroll tax cut, going to conference is a particularly inefficient way to go about it. I suspect instead that rank and file legislators’ suspicions (let alone Eric Cantor’s) about Speaker Boehner’s conservative bona fides—not to mention their mistrust of Senate leaders McConnell and Reid—made a leader-dominated game of ping pong or more negotiations behind closed doors especially unpalatable. And for those GOP opposed to extending the payroll tax cut altogether, insisting on “regular order” provides political cover for a potentially unpopular position.
If the solution lies in allowing the conference committee to go forward, while passing the two-month extension in the meantime, it doesn’t mean that the conferees will make the final decisions on the bill, however. Party leaders often get involved in the backroom negotiations on the compromise, and often the conference committee is nothing more than a staged event for the cameras. The conference committee option is a political one, which allows House Republicans to save face, despite having badly botched the debate.



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So, the GOP gets off the hook for tanking the economy and raising taxes on 160 million peopl, plus they get agreement in advance that the full year cuts will be offset by more harmful spending cuts, just as the TeaGOPs were insisting all along. The surtax on the rich as a pay-for is off the table, never mind the idea that we don’t need to show you no stinking pay-fors; any tax on the wealthy is gone, and we get contradictory macro policies that continue to chip away at government functions.
Swell deal, and it’s just like that group of faux reporters to give it legs.
Off-topic update
Looks like coders have already have a SOPA workaround. I was pretty sure they would, but always makes one feel better to get those solutions in hand.
Just would need to add a browser plug-in
Here’s a good old fashioned un-shortened /. link….
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/12/21/0420228/coders-develop-ways-to-defeat-sopa-censorship
Hey DD can you look into Rocky Anderson and give us a status on how many ballots he is on? Would like to spend more of our time daydreaming about a viable 3rd party candidate than this chickenshit kabuki that adds nothing to our fund of knowledge.
Sorry, you are awesome and I know this is what is actually happening but I’m done with Congress as it is.
Scarecrow,
Hit the nail on the head.
WHY should the Democrats concede anything on this? They’ve got a winner as it stands right now.
Payroll taxes are working for lower taxes and job creation. Low taxes on the rich aren’t working and have never worked.
So explain to me again why the middle class should give up something to get something on the other side?
Plus the Cons already got the Tar Sands Pipeline in there. And they’ll probably end up with a few more goodies in conference. (It never goes the other way.) Obama will be lucky if the GOP doesn’t demand one of his daughters before it’s all done.
DD, I know you occasionally answer messages here. I have heard, and believe, that this whole mess was NOT about the tax-break extension OR the UI benefits. That it WAS a pissing contest between the Senate boy’s club and the House membership. The senate saying this is what we approved on a bi-partisan basis now you peons APPROVE IT OR ELSE.!
I’m not DD but can say this: No ballots yet to my knowledge and his legal team quit early last week over concerns of trademark infringement and failure of the fledgling party’s organizers to address concerns about whether an online funding tool is kosher under FEC guidelines.
That being said, I believe either concern, if viable, was the result pure happenstance as they rushed to get the website up before the Justice Party’s launch.
I’ve been in the proverbial loop since meeting Rocky on day one of the October 2011 protest in DC and wish him all the best, but fear that on several fronts he is trying to reinvent the wheel and thereby wasting time he simply doesn’t have.
“his legal team quit early last week ”
Yikes. Not a good start.
Thanks for this DD, though I agree with Scarecrow that a conference is just a prelude to what Obama is so fond of calling “compromise” when the rest of us see it for the capitulation it is.
It’s the same thing they’re trying to do with the directorship of the CFPB: Make its actions subject to approval by a committee comprised of members of Congress, none of whom (R or D) care to protect consumers one iota – at least, not if it’s a choice between that and getting corporate campaign funds for the next election cycle.
Oops, my bad, should read “late last week.” Thursday if memory serves…
O/T:
But here is why I don’t trust the happy news on the economy:
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2011/12/21/us-homes-sales-revised-down-by-146.html
15 percent! Are you kidding me?! What did they do, throw darts to get their figures?
Still not good.
We have to compromise, don’t we? Seriously, does it really make much difference? I get the impression that we’re going to get screwed either way. We’d be better off locking the door to DC.
So anybody recommend a viable 3rd party candidate I could waste my vote on? I will not miss an election but I won’t vote D or R.
What happened to the Matt Damon candidacy???
He moved to Burkina Faso and is now King. Turned out he had descendants from when it was Upper Volta.
spot on -
the game is to kill whatever stimulus the UE and payroll cut have by taking that money out of government spending – kill the economy before the election.
If kill the economy is the result no matter what the deal – better to have no deal and everyone pointing at the GOP for killing it.
We are debating what song the band on the Titanic should play as we load the lifeboats with the 1%.
Sure, Dr. Jill Stein, with Rocky or maybe Darcy Richardson as veep. Richardson is on the Dem primary ballot versus Obama in five states already, NH, LA, MO, TX and OK, and is challenging O as a Progressive. We had a long talk last night and he supports the Unified Platform (as do Rocky and Jill).
I also had the immense pleasure of having lunch with Jill Stein over the summer, finally meeting her after numerous phone conferences thanks to her membership on the NPA Steering Committee. There is a growing movement afoot to unify her campaign and Rocky’s (search “Jill Stein Rocky Anderson” on Facebook); the two of them have been in regular consultation since summer, and NPA continues encouraging them to work together.
“viable” is a pipe dream; we’re getting a choice between White Romney and Black Romney (Semi-White Romney?) and that’s it for “viable” candidates.
If you want to vote your conscience and make your voice heard, go ahead. You have Greens/Working Families/whomever. I’m still in favor of the party in my username, which states what it’s about, actually HAS a platform, and advocates specific measures I support in pursuit of economic justice. (Never really heard much about that from Rocky, who’s all about civil liberties and the rule of law and such. Which I also support, but I see the corporatist stranglehold on the economy as the #1, #2, #3 problem facing the world. No true “justice” without economic justice. JMO.)
But don’t kid yourself you’re electing anyone. (Not that you ever were, as no election turns on one vote, and in the non-battleground states the issue is moot anyway—if CA is close enough for my vote to matter, that means the Dems are getting killed everywhere else and Mittens can start choosing suits for the inauguration. If TX is close enough that for whom alan1tx votes could make a difference, then it’s an Obama wave and he might as well stay home, regardless. We’re only ever voting to enjoy participating and express our opinion, IMO. There’s no “my vote could change everything” unless you’re in a very tight swing state in a very tight election. And even then, Bush “won” FLA by 537 votes, allegedly; 535 of them could have voted third party and it would have made no difference. I’ve yet to cast 100 votes in any single election, much less 537 at a time.)
So vote for who you want to support, without worrying about “viable”. They’ll be “viable” when enough people support them; your voting your conscience rather than LOTE is the first step. JMO.
Just FYI, NPA’s next stop for the unification effort is the Socialist Party ticket of Stewart Alexander and Alex Mendoza.
My viable should have been palatable but I agree with your comment. I want to go all out on a OWS approved candidate for some office in 2012 and since I know things will get worse during the next four years I am hoping 2016 is the year of the people or maybe the midterms in 2014 if we really tank.
4 more years of the same old shit will, IMO, mobilize a signicicant number of people to really do something in 2016. I’m not predicting it will work. But the natives are getting pretty restless.
I think it happens next Spring.
As soon as they take away our Soylent Green.
I think that would be very helpful. It is time to begin coalescing so we can move forward with maximum impact.