I wrote previously about Ron Paul’s newsletters, and I still think there’s reason to condemn not only the writings but the worldview they espouse, one which Paul embraces even as he disavows some of the finer points of the newsletters. But I think there’s more to say about this incident and what it means about American politics.
First of all, let’s stipulate that the “perfect candidate” that professes every single one of your deeply held beliefs doesn’t practically exist, unless the candidate happens to be you. Failing that, you can line up in support of candidates on some issues and oppose them on others, and if you rally enough mass support, the more popular issues get emphasized and the less popular ones de-emphasized.
Paul rose to prominence among his base of young people on the strength of antiwar views, defenses of civil liberties, and in some respects an extreme libertarian position on the economy, particularly antipathy toward the Federal Reserve. But these views are all broadly popular among the mass of the citizenry. I find it extremely telling that, when the call came from on high to “take down” Paul and make him unelectable, the powers that be didn’t choose those antiwar issues, which are out of step politically with the Republican Party. Instead they chose the 20 year-old racism charges. They’ve taken this to such a level that we are told that, if Paul wins the Iowa caucuses, the caucuses don’t matter.
In other words, isolationist foreign policy and prioritizing liberty above security, views which were supposed to be toxic in a Republican primary, must have been polled, and to the horror of neoconservatives and the Republican establishment, they found those views to have broad GOP support. This is a very good sign going forward. The belligerence of the GOP, the law and order posse, to imperialism, is a mile wide and an inch deep. You can mask it with xenophobia for a while, but those views actually have no support among the party which is assumed to embody them.
It turns out that Paul has lots of other views, which he de-emphasized over the years. This includes the appeals to racist and bigoted elements of the conservative fringe, as well as paranoiac John Birch Society beliefs. In the 1990s, Paul discoursed about United Nations plots for one-world government, the abolition of the freedom of religion, secret rule by the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, and other whacked-out theories and conspiracies. You cannot explain this away; it’s central to Paul’s critique of current governmental structures. It’s somewhat central to his appeal.
But let’s add one another note. Those defending Paul on the racism charge do make a keen argument, that his critique of the US drug war is in its own way a condemnation of historical racism.
In 1988 Paul made a presidential campaign stop at the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws while running on the Libertarian Party ticket. “What was so bad about the period from 1776 to 1914?” Paul wondered, referring to a time in American history when drugs were legal on the federal, and, in many towns, local level. “In the 20th Century, the doctors, like all business people, decided that there ought to be a monopoly. ‘If you wanted a little bit of codeine in your cough medicine, it would be much better if you come to me so I can charge you $25 for a prescription.’”
Paul, in a speech aired at the time on C-SPAN went on. “Before the 20th Century there was none of that and it was the medical profession as well as many other trade groups that agitated for the laws. And you know there’s a pretty good case made that this same concept was built in with racism as well. We do know that opium was used by the Chinese and the Chinese were not welcomed in this country,” Paul said. “We do know that the blacks at times use heroin, opium and the laws have been used against them. There have been times that it has been recognized that the Latin Americans use marijuana and the laws have been written against them. But lo and behold the drug that inebriates most of the members of Congress has not been touched because they’re up there drinking alcohol.” [...]
The reaction of the American government, and its people, to drug use was — and still is — a complex mix of factors, involving lobbying by the medical community, pharmaceutical companies, the alcohol industry, temperance advocates, and religious movements. Historically, the argument has played out — and continues to play out — amid a backdrop of racism and class antagonism. Racism and bigotry were generally not the drivers of prohibition movements, but instead were the weapons used by temperance advocates to achieve their ends. The movement to ban alcohol, for instance, gained its strongest adherents without resorting to bigotry, but when World War I broke out, the movement was quick to tie beer and booze to instantly despised German immigrants, pushing the effort over the Constitutional hump.
I don’t think you can separate virtually any figure supporting the drug laws in this country from the roots of racism, if you wanted to make the connection. So you have to choose between someone who allowed unfortunate racist comments to go out under his name, but who parted ways with the policy most likely to put minorities in chains over the last century, and more mainstream figures, who abhor such public expressions of racism but support these structurally racist policies.
I don’t know that there’s a right answer here. For all his bluster on the drug war, Paul just wants the states to come up with their own laws, so if you’re in a state under the spell of a “law-and-order” electorate with centuries of racial prejudice behind them, I think only the names on the backs of the agents facilitating the drug busts and mass incarceration would change. For all the correct anti-imperialist rhetoric, Paul would also shut off the US completely to outside appeals for support, meaning that millions of people suffering around the world from floods and earthquakes would never benefit from the superior logistical and financial support this country can provide, and the positive feedback that has on our international standing. I have never heard Ron Paul utter a word about the threat to the right of private property ownership from banks stealing homes. And Paul’s libertarianism ends with respect to a woman’s womb.
His view of government is almost entirely anti-progressive and problematic in a host of respects. That it has become popular among a small yet growing number of Americans represents a failure of the left, actually, to provide any kind of alternative to the war machine and surveillance state. You don’t actually have to accept the baby and the bathwater here; you can create a coherent, progressive vision of American domestic and foreign policy without devolving into rants about one-world government and the North American Union. The public deserves to have that kind of vision in our national debate.




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However, that’s not what Ron Paul’s position on foreign aid means. People could still give to whatever cause they saw fit (including foreign aid groups). It would just prohibit the government from taking your money and giving it to whoever THEY saw fit (whether it be an earthquake victim or a 3rd world despot).
I hope you can see why I’d prefer the Ron Paul position.
Oh good I’ll send my V-22 Osprey right over.
I’m sure the citizens of foreign countries love it when they see American funded warmachines being used by their dictators.
How much of our military foreign aid (which is about 87% of all our foreign aid) helps natural disaster victims?
Sure those earthquake victims might not get access to a $50 million dollar airplane anymore, but they’d still get something, unlike the corrupt foreign governments.
But of course pretending that the only way to be “progressive” is to embrace Ron Paul serves the purposes not only of Ron Paul but of the Democratic Party establishment, which pushes the “progressives must by definition worship racist Ron Paul” line as a way to get or keep progressives in the Democratic fold without actually having to live up to the Democratic platform.
I am a black man. I am aware of his statements from twenty years ago that are indeed outrageous. However, twenty years was a long time ago. I am aware that the controlled media did everything they could to portray black men in a bad light at the time. I am also aware that people in our government have put out manipulated studies meant to decry the nature of black men. I am also aware that people in our government studied at UCLA to determine which drug was the most addictive, what caused the most depravity and crime. This is detailed in Gary Webb’s Dark Alliance and research done by Michael Ruppert. I understand that they then sold this drug crack exclusively in black neighborhoods, which to do so is a form of genocide. Many, many people believed what they were told that blacks were somehow more inclined to crime than other people. His conclusions of twenty years ago he no longer subscribes to. In fact, he is the best thing to happen to black people in a long time. He wants transparency. He wants investigations. Wouldn’t it be nice to investigate Iran Contra which has so many of the same characters involved as 911. He wants to end the war on drugs that has so devastated the black community. If you don’t think that there has been any bias in the courts against blacks when it comes to these crimes, then you must read Michelle Alexander’s book, The New Jim Crow which details how devastating the war on drugs has been. Just today he has come out proclaiming the war on drugs to be racist in origin.
–And, by the way the
“…extreme libertarian position on the economy, particularly antipathy toward the Federal Reserve.”
Nothing extreme about the position about the Federal Reserve. They are a private institution that has not had a good history in America for the American people.
Ron Paul is the only progressive running as a front runner for president.
1. End the War on Drugs
2. End the occupations
3. Transparency in government
4. Real investigations
5. Real prosecutions
6. Look for corruption in the Federal Reserve
7. Cut the military
8. End monopolies
Are these not our real priorities ?
The newsletters don’t matter to anyone who is semi informed. Ron Paul is the only candidate against NDAA SOPA PROTECT IP, Indefinite detention and assassinations of US citizens with out trial, War with Iran, (Which will be backed by Russia and China), the Drug wars and bank Bailouts/corporatism. 20+ year old new letters should be the least of anyone worries.
He didnt make millions, The income of the company that published the FIVE different Ron Paul newsletters was 950k and they did more then just newsletters. Dr. Paul was not even the majority shareholder of the company. Out of 1020 newletters published over 30 years less then one PAGE can be filled with the racist quotes. These quotes only came up between 1989-1995, when Dr. Paul was back to being a full time doctor, were it was well known that he gave free heathcare to poor minorities.
Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who speaks against inequalities for in the justice system and the drug wars. He is the only candidate who will pardon all non violent drug offenders. Ignore all this though and KEEP yelling RACIST!! Its ok to ignore all the facts.
When the Democratic president has revealed himself to be a rights negating tyrant and best friend of plutocratic looters, and his party can’t be bothered to do anything about it except cheer for more…
As flawed a candidate as Paul may be, none of that changes any of the above.
Hell hath no fury like a Paulbot scorned.
Hi David Dayen,
Great piece! I think you hit the nail on the head and I appreciate how fair and reasonable you are (for eg you accept that any candidate has major problems and you accept some of the virtues of RP’s policies). I’d consider myself extremely progressive though I’ve been sympathetic toward Ron Paul the last few years. This is largely due to the actions of the US military and I freely admit I might feel different toward RP if I was not a white male (I might actively dislike him). Here are two ways I might object to some of your criticism, though.
First, as blueskybigstar suggests, it’s unclear exactly how long people must be held accountable for certain comments. In the internet age we are considered the sum total of everything we’ve said, no matter how long in the past. It may be that RP truly does not agree with statements he made in the 90′s, just like most people would not agree with everything they said 20 years ago.
Second, Ron Paul has repeatedly bashed big banking and the financial elite, even if he has not made the exact claims you want.
But mostly I think you are spot on. I agree we have great responsibility on the left to provide alternatives to the current paradigm. As prof. Chomsky says many Ron Paul followers might join us, it is just that they have framed things in a different ideology. But that ideology can be overriden.
The first step is fair and reasonable criticism like you offer, I think.
Best,
-David R. Logan, Lincoln, NE email davidrusselllogan at gmail dot com ANTI-ANONYMOUS POSTING REVOLUTION
Yes, my Christmas-themed flame-retardant clothing has been donned.
Freedom, democracy and the rule of law are prerequisites for a progressive agenda. When Y’all are rotting in concentration camps who will press for your pet policies and programs?
If you were leaning out the window of a burning building you would not ask if the fireman coming for you was a Libertarian or a Social Conservative.
People who have a sense of urgency. People who see that the Police State is here now. Such people are not so particular about who restores civil liberties and constitutional government.
Thoughtful article, and interesting reactions to it here. ISTM that Ron Paul is the best of a really substandard lot of candidates put up by the main parties. To me, the only questions are:
- Will Ron Paul actually do something to roll back the assault on civil liberties we’ve seen in the last decades?
- Will that, plus whatever he could achieve out of blueskybigstar’s checklist above, be worth the price we pay in further reductions in social services, civil rights enforcement, etc., that are likely to also be part of a Ron Paul Administration?
I’m not sure of the answers, but I think those are the sorts of questions progressives need to be asking ourselves.
After my many years of writing for the Chicano Veterans Organization, I refrained and restrained myself from bring attention to Congressman Paul. However, he has been the first among the GOP’s presidential candidates to file his paperwork with Arizona’s Secretary of State, and has now come to my ever-present attention.
Consequently, Paul is an “antebellum” candidate of the South, and nothing less than for being viewed in the persona of Helms. And equally important, Paul is far from Progressive. Take for example, Native Americans, African Americans, and Chicanos, as a whole or writ large, are communities of progressive thought and action. And by this yardstick, Paul “offers” nothing to our specific communities that “empowers the Individual.”
As such, propaganda, latent or otherwise, holds no “value” for us here in the Sonoran Desert. Our history tells us so and in no uncertain terms.
Jaango
From the quoted text:
I think progressives have that mistaken view that the U.S. is a hierarchy with federal at the top and states subjugated to the whims of the federal government. Going out on a limb here but I don’t think such a view exist anywhere in the legal framework of U.S. federal and state law regarding the relationships between the states and federal government.
Progressives seem invest themselves and depend on this mythical hierarchical structure to push their agenda through. That structure is just not real. Ron Paul’s view of the federal government reflects that reality.
A President doesn’t really have much power but there are a few things the President can do and one of them is to END THE WARS and thereby saving a ton of money. That would at least end the injustice abroad and reduce the pressure to spend abroad rather than in the U.S.
Another thing he can do is recind the executive orders attacking civil liberties.
I love when writers write as if everyone agrees with them. This is what someone would call “beating a dead horse” which of course is all that the MSM and the GOP have left. They simply can’t stop Ron Paul. The great thing about Ron Paul is not that he may or not be racist, but that he understands that every person, including himself, have a right to believe anything they please. That is truly American. As long as people believe what they believe and don’t hurt anyone, they should be free to believe what they want. So in a very big sense, all this BS about the newsletters actually misses the point.
I look to one side and see Obama and on the other I see a field full of people I wouldn’t trust to run my local municipality. With that being said, I think Ron Paul still is much better than any of the other alternatives.
At present, the right seems insane because they are pandering to the right, just like Obama does when he talks to the left about caring for the 99% or whispers anything progressive. Neither side means their rhetoric. Neither side is actually going to do anything other than take money from the rich and do whatever they say.
The only candidate that I feel that has any chance of actually doing what he was elected to do is Ron Paul. Call him a racist, call him insane, I don’t care. We tried to vote for the “best” candidate in 2008 and Obama failed. Kerry was worthless and frankly Gore DIDN’T DESERVE TO WIN if you want to blame Nader. As Nader said, the people that voted for him chose him over Gore. Gore would have just been a continuation of the sell out 3rd way bullshit Clintonian Republi.. Democrats, so regardless it wouldn’t have mattered.
Ron Paul scares the establishment and that makes me warm inside. That gives me hope. I realize he won’t win the primaries, but frankly considering no one on the left was man enough to stand up to Obama, Ron Paul is our only hope.
So talk that shit all you want, I’d rather have Ron Paul than Obama any day.
For once an interesting discussion on Ron Paul. His supporters tend to be a bit over the top, almost cult like, which usually turns conversations into battles.
That being said; how could he possibly get himself elected? This is a two party machine entrenched into our whole system.
The Repugs powers are not going to let him get the nom from them, he exposes too much of their agenda. I also firmly believe that a good percentage of the voting system is rigged by the Repugs since 2000, so it is an uphill battle if they don’t support him.
The Dems have a formidable head start with the Gooper circus discrediting themselves.
I am afraid that Obummer is going to take it again unless someone like Alan Grayson primaries him (fat chance).
Ron Paul should be ignored by anyone other than Republicans. He is less acceptable to the majority of Republicans than Goldwater was. Reagan’s appeal is he retained a lot of his Democratic party values. Ron Paul has almost no Republican values, and almost no Democratic party values.
If anything, Democrats and progressives should hope Ron Paul rises even higher in appeal to Republicans. Ron Paul is the best friend Democrats could hope for to play a major role in Republican politics.
Sorry mulp ,real progressives don’t give a shit about dems or pubs.David your point is well-taken insofar as Paul*s support speaks more about the pansy-ass gobbledegook that passes for progressive values than it does of his libertarian values .Drug prohibition shall be viewed no differently than eugenics two generations from now ,yet not even the Greens have the moral courage to say this sham is borne of racism and continues its JimCrow agenda to turn poor minorities into prison slaves within our corporate gulag that works for and is part of the Fortune 600 .
DrPaul Publishing has a series of books about Paul’s backwards views:
http://drpaul2012.wordpress.com
Enjoy!
Where are all these good people at anyway. If private sonations worked we have no homeless.
Ron Paul does not support an isolationist foreign policy. Isolationism is what North Korea practices and what China practiced during its Cultural Revolution days.
Ron Paul supports a non-interventionist foreign policy. The megalomaniacs who support a policy of global military occupation and intervention deride a sensible, lawful policy of non-intervention as “isolationism.” An analogy to their thinking would be that you are a hermit unless you “socialize” with your neighbors by regularly breaking into their homes and breaking their stuff.
Well, if you are in fear of being scorched, let me just say you have done an honest and careful piece of reporting and analysis here, have rightly refused to associate yourself with the obvious media pile-on, and have provided those of us who like to make our own decisions with good data to help us do that. The commenters will provide more, but you have now done your job honestly, IMO, and I am as proud of you as I have become accustomed to being. ((David))
Legalizing drugs is not going to end racism. Every existing institution, including drug law, and some invented ones have been used to discriminate, even torture and murder along the lines of race and ethnicity. Paul is profoundly racist. His perspective is so parochial it borders on psychosis. Unfortunately in at least some regions of the country this rings true among many Republicans and Democrats. His poll numbers rise in both parties as his views are better known.
I would not get too excited about the out of power liberal Republicans or the few sane people left in this country rejecting his ideas. To embrace him on the basis of his drug policies is to get all the rest.
1. Ron Paul thinks zygotes are THE most important issue. That is, the unborn are much more important than any currently born person. How many women would vote for that?
2. Paul would put Russia and China in charge of U.S. monetary policy. They are the only major gold producers that increased production between 2006 and 2009.
The man’s a nutcase.
The problem that most people have is in understanding the historical context in which people lived when they made the comments and observations they made. We are all trapped by history, and to understand someone, you have to be able to somewhat immerse yourself in the times in which those comments were made. This is not to give Paul a pass, because I’ve always thought his views were abhorrent. But his views were probably not considered as racist then as they are now.
And that drug laws were (and are) used as a weapon to lock up large numbers of brown people is not to be confused with the purpose of the laws: namely, to make it hard to obtain drugs which were truly having a dangerous impact on society. That the drug laws need to be modified to account for how they have been used is indisputable, but I’m sure most of us don’t want to go back to the days when cocaine was given to kids in cough sirup, etc.
WMNF Tampa is airing the audio of the Bircher doc right now.
Bwahahahaha. Pwnd.
The argument that Paul is against the CFR and TC is rather lame, when you consider, for example, that the Trilateral Commission was founded by Chase Bank’s chairman and Henry Kissinger. CFR has been responsible for much of the propoganda that brought us into too many wars and too many lives lost on all sides.
You also seem to be defending our “free trade” policies and sending our jobs overseas. Soon there will be no jobs left here, except bloggers, lawyers, funeral directors, and darlings like Pete Peterson and Robert Rubin.
I respect Paul for having principles, even though many are not in exact agreement with my ideas. But think of how much fun it would be to watch him take on the Federal Reserve.
Fixed it for you. And that’s why I’ll never vote for him.
David, I applaud you for writing a balanced piece on RP. first I have seen here on FDL. On foreign aid, my experience is it is a scam. most of the money pledge comes with all kinds of caveats and is often awarded to corporations that are politically entrenched in the US. In other words it is a back door way for corps to get our tax dollars for free. The UN is another tool used to funnel money. Most of the people in power in the UN are put there by their govts and some have zero qualifications, but a favor was owed. I know because I have worked with these people. That is not to say there are not good people, but for the most part the UN is just another political machine that empowers the MIC, under the guise of hopey changey thingey
RP is correct that the drugs law are just another form of racism, and I for one believe our govt has played a part in helping addict the population and spread fear and violence.
On Bilderburg etc, you are free to think what you want. But there are powers in this world beyond that of govt, and Bilderburg and co are just one of many places they meet. In fact, Bilderburg has been around for over 50 years, but answer me this David, when did you first learn about it? most have only heard about it in the last few years? How could the wealthiest, quite powerful people in the world meet for 40 years or so, and it was never mentioned or discussed in MSM?
Teddy’s rant yesterday was sad to see. He is relying on what X said about Y as proof. I hope the words of one person are never used to accuse Teddy of being anti something. God forbid our ability to think critically has been reduced to such a low standard.
See my 26.
Which also includes the fact that by putting the U.S. currency on the gold standard, he would substitute foreign gold producers for the U.S. FRB as the determinant of U.S. monetary policy. That’s really nuts.
Democratic values? Republican values? Please. What is the role of government when the government is in the hands of the .01%? What is the value of the an election when the election machinery is in the hands of the .01%? Paul’s base is no doubt racist and anti-New Deal, but as you point out, in structural if not rhetorical terms, that position is reflected in all announced candidates (including the murdering war criminal Bush-in-Blackface) or reporter/pundits of the MSM? Paul will never get the nomination, and if he comes close, he’ll be assassinated. Even if he survives, how does one man, without Congress, without the media, without a large politically mobilized constituency turn around the Pentagon, the CIA, Homeland Security, Wall Street, etc.? Progressives should take heart; the electoral arena has never favored progressives and now the Supremes have sealed the deal with Citizens United. The only time in this country progressives won anything was when they fought for it, organized, occupied, went out on strike. As the immortal CSN once sang: “rejoice rejoice we have no choice.”
I hate Ron Paul more for his supporters than anything else — his dismissal of inequality and currying favor of Austrian quackery in grinding deflation from dissolving central banks comes in at a close second.
For people who think the government is the problem, I have never seen so much support for one individual barring Obama-cultists (although they’d be good sparring partners over who’s the least infallible). Maybe bring some Chomskeyites into the mix.
If you’re an anti-war activist and you want to fight for Ron Paul based on those grounds, then please, be my guest. I personally see climate change as the most important pressing issue, and voting for someone who not only advocates stopping the enforcement of legislation that the EPA is enacting which will cripple coal plants in America by 2014, but advocates for its dismantlement, is downright cruel and immoral. Climate change is going to kill more people than any fucking war. But nonetheless, if you insist on voting on anti-war grounds, be upfront about it, and stop rationalizing his other bullshit. That’s the problem I have.
Digby worded it this way:
Regarding Paul’s consistency, I see no value in consistency. Well, it depends on your definition. I have changed my mind on a number of issues since 2007 — usually more leftist, but in others more libertarian. Does this make me inconsistent? Someone who’s as old as Paul and hasn’t moved in the slightest on any issue isn’t something to marvel at. How can you have the same views on everything as our culture evolves? Ideological rigidity isn’t something I look for in a leader, especially with new information. He’s a rigid ideologue.
I’ll be voting for Paul in the primaries, but make no mistake: he’s more like Pat Buchanan than Gary Johnson.
It is nuts. The only reason our economy hasn’t completely collapsed is our sovereign currency. We have the ability to create dollars if we need to. This has an impact on the markets.
To switch back to the gold standard in this age of global economics would be a nightmare.
That was just a wee bit harsh.
It’s going to be either Ron Paul or Mitt Romney running against Obama. Now whom do you want for the Republican nominee: Paul or Romney? If it’s Paul, are you willing to get your hands dirty and go out and vote for him? Or do prefer Mitt Romney’s policies, which are practically identical to Obama’s? That’s all it boils down to.
As a Latino, I find Paul’s newsletters,which (contrary to his protestations) he VIGOROUSLY defended until 2001,offensive and racist. To my knowledge, he’s never outed the people who wrote them, he’s profited from them, and takes money from racist organizations such as Stormfront and the CCC.
I doubt it very much that we would be having these discussions if it were a Latin@ candidate.
But fuck that shit. apparently a woman’s reproductive rights and the rights of minorities don’t mean squat to certain people. Fine. And that bullshit about his stance on the drug war demonstrating a sensitivity to people of color because it impacts us disproportionately is bullshit. As a person of color, I know all too well what these motherfuckers mean by “states rights.”
I realize that pointing out the extreme racist views of a candidate won’t cause many people much discomfort, so let’s do the economic piece: what about his neoliberal economic policies, the same policies that have brought all of us down this road to serfdom? Is smoking weed that important that we would vote for an idiot who would make the Bush/ Obama disastrous economic policies look like a walk in the park?
when I think of Paul and his professed vision, I think of Somalia.
Guys, guys, guys…
We don’t have to look back 20 years to find inherent discrimination in Ron Paul’s policy initiatives, or proof that he’s about as interested in Progressivism as he is in keeping us in the U.N. Here’s a bill he co-sponsored in the 111th Congress:
That measure discriminates not just against ESL speakers – its not-so-veiled intent – but, unwittingly, against anyone who struggles to speak due to physical or mental disability. Of course, if the bill were to make an exception for those folks, its real, discriminatory intent would be indisputable.
There are nine more examples of Ron Paul-sponsored measures from that same Congress – TWO years ago, not 20 – which indisputably outline his consistent, blatant opposition to anything resembling Progressive reform, right here.
Furthermore, it has been by accepting David’s premise:
…that we on the Left, as an electoral force, have continually set foot on and consistently slid down the slippery slope of lesser-evilism – in a country where polls have constantly shown overwhelming support for Progressive reform (60 percent and higher) for more than 30 years.
Noam Chomsky (among others) has been saying for decades that the system to which we willingly succumb election cycle after election cycle is the root of the problem. Namely, we “join” political parties (read: political propaganda machines) based on their stated beliefs, and when they abandon them, we do nothing (because we HAVE nothing) to hold them accountable.
The solution is drafting OUR OWN platforms, and recruiting and swearing any candidate seeking to represent us to them, very publicly, on the clear understanding that if they dare abandon them, they will be exposed as frauds, lose our support, and their political careers will be over.
If this sounds like what the GOP did back in the 80s with the “Contract for America,” that’s because it is. It’s the reason you never heard of a pro-choice Republican, a pro-tax Republican, a pro-gun control Republican, or an anti-corporate Republican. And it’s why America has consistently moved right (fascist) for all of those 30 years, despite the aforementioned polling showing the public’s strong desire that we move in the opposite direction.
Despite their fascist views being firmly in the minority, the GOP’s unflagging pursit of purity within its ranks and by its candidates have secured victories which the numbers show to be implausible at best. Unless and until the Left is willing to do the same thing – to STOP COMPROMISING – We the People will continue to lose.
Simple as that.
Not exactly. He had a lot of help and endorsement from sites like FDL and UT, that wanted to “build bridges” to accomplish anti-war and civil liberties agendas, and would now like to shift attention to a grass roots swelling among “young people” instead as the growth of Ron Paul’s popular support among progressives, as the real nature of the candidate becomes more mainstream known and the real folly of a shapeless non-boycott becomes clearer.
People in California have until January 3rd to register 103,000 voters for the Justice Party or Rocky Anderson will not be a choice there in the general election, but there have been what? 10, 11 columns on Ron Paul’s candidacy in the past few days, an 1 column on Rocky Anderson’s plight and what must be done about it?
It’s more than sad that Ron Paul’s Lindbergh style isolationism (and that’s what it is, it isn’t something else, nonpartisanliberal) would dismantle all foreign aid, even food and logistical humanitarian aid as well. But really, do progressives care? The support here at FDL is pretty weak on that if it can’t be ascribed to a CIA plot we have to rage against. I have a column up about the Philippines, it’s failing, it did get one or two comments, but Ron Paul is so much fun and I’d hate to spoil the game.
And the Cato Institute supports efforts to end the War on Drugs so they’re the good guys even though they’re funded by the Kochs and were the principal cheerleaders for the Reagan Revolution, and their co-founder Murray Rothbard helped write Ron Paul’s love letters.
You guys need it rubbed in your faces before you come out with this stuff. You don’t have a real progressive candidate because you didn’t think you needed one. You were gonna just not vote, and you thought anyone who did was an idiot.
Now it’s time to pay the piper.
Spot on. Basically, what really annoys me about Ron Paul supporters is their thinking that all we have to do is get Ron Paul into office, and then there will be happiness and sprinkles again. It’s the same thing that annoyed me with Obama-cultists, and it actually led me to withdraw my support from Obama in March of 2008. Oh, I still voted and organized for him, but until March I thought of actually voting “for” him rather than “against” Republicans. That honeymoon didn’t last long (his speech on MLK-day to sometime in March).
Nothing in this country has changed for the better without people on the ground demanding it, and you would think the people who support Ron Paul — who always have a “I’m above you and this entire process because I don’t support either party” — would understand that. But they don’t. They think they just need to elect him, and then watch the magic happen. It doesn’t work like that. You know why civil liberties are going away? Because a majority of Americans do not care enough to get out in the streets over it, and a good deal of them would actively give them up for protection against “those” people. I’m not talking simple protests, either. I’m talking “Occupy” the politicians’ lives and making it miserable.
Course, a lot of people simply aren’t hurting badly enough for this to happen; I’m guilty of this as well, but I also just graduated in 2011 with $50,000 in loans and no job (substitute teaching in the mean time so I don’t default).
Think about Ron Paul this way. After he’s elected, think how much fun we could have impeaching him for all his nutty policies that people overlooked in voting for him.
A bit off topic, but along the lines of our debate over losing our civil rights, I saw this headline this morning that made me do a double take. Of course it’s accurate, but being old enough to remember the old Soviet Union days, the headline really hammered me. It’s a sign of how far things have gone:
“Russis Slams US For It’s Human Rights Record”
Wow. If Ron Paul really could do something to end this unconsitutional assault on our liberty, I could probably hold my nose and vote for him. Simply because IMO no safety net, no rigth to an abortion, no monetary or economic policy, is worth ANYTHING if we don’t have our BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. Habeas corpus has long been internationally recognized as the most basic of all human rights. Losing that makes any and all other rights meaningless to me. What good is a good economy if you can be arrested, tortured, and detained forever with no rights for any reason whatsoever??? Someone will have to explain that to me, because I don’t see it.
EDIT ADDED: Of course I should add, the thing that will likely keep me from supporting Paul is the that he really probaly COULDN’T do anything to stop that assualt. And anyone that argues he can should explain how.
I’m still not going to vote, but I’ve never said that anyone who does is an idiot. I’ll vote my down-ticket races and measures, but national politics is broken. A Progressive like Rocky Anderson for president is not going to fix that. Congress will bend him over his desk in the Oval office and fuck him until he cries. That’s the harsh reality.
The entire system is broken at the national level. It needs to be rebuilt. Elections aren’t going to fix that because the electoral system is broken. 96% of candidates who spend the most money win. It’s not a political contest, but an auction. How can we expect to effect the change that’s needed to save our country within the current frame?
Folly? Tell that to the woman in Atlanta, an Iraq war vet, whose home was saved by Occupy Atlanta.
How many homes has Rocky Anderson saved so far?
The simple fact the the media, both left and right are out to destroy Ron Paul makes it very likely I’ll vote for him. When the press goes to the lengths they did to ressurect a twenty-some year old controversy that tells me that the PTB, in BOTH parties are terrified. Good. I’d like to see more of that.
Where do I sign up?
Is it my imagination, or does FDL seem to be running a number of anti-Ron Paul pieces now that he is a frontrunner in the Iowa caucus?
Okay, don’t vote for Paul in the primaries/caucuses, because you don’t like some of his positions. Mitt will then get the Republican nomination, and here’s what we know for sure about Mitt (written by Robert Naiman):
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/12/28-4
I think the PTB resurrected the racism issue because most of our voting electorate is ignorant and ill-informed. Charges of racism are inflammatory and garner attention, while a frank discussion of his damaging fiscal policies and nutty libertarian stance would force most of the electorate to channel surf their way back to the Bachelorette.
Imagine that. FDL covering an emerging candidate. The News Desk reporting the news as it happens, not before it happened!
I also think it’s telling that it was only after the polls showed him leading Iowa that this twenty year old “controversy” re-emerged. It’s almost like you guy’s (the press, ALL of you) suddenly noticed that ignoring him wasn’t going to make him go away. I LIKE it.
The right to water and food and a lack of violence are even more basic. Ron Paul would deny these to foreigners, along with the essential guarantees of humanity. Watch carefully what you are holding your nose about.
Do you want to help save some more homes? go read my column.
Of course I do. Link?
…and libertarianism is more frightening than neo-liberalism? I’ll vote for a conservative before I’ll vote for Obushma again. At least conservatives are honest about thier intentions to screw the poor and the middle class.
So far, I’m with you, OFG. If we’re all determined to pick our single pet issue as a decider this time around, as it appears most are, then I agree it should be basic civil liberties, and their kin-issue, the rule of law, that would be my choice for that single issue focus. As you say, none of the other issues are worth a damn by comparison.
Or you could join the revolution. Simply head down to your local Occupy during GA time, get on the stack, and make your voice heard. At least then you have a chance of impacting something. Casting your vote for anyone at the national level isn’t going to impact anything. The machines will decide the outcome, or the SCOTUS will.
Further, very little foreign aid goes towards disaster relief. It is mostly a subsidy for the military-industrial complex to give dictators better means to oppress their peoples.
Yes, there’s that, and in these murky times, maybe that is enough.
Been there, and will be there. I plan on defending Occupy Bellingham from the threatened eviction TONIGHT, and I’ve donated tarps, tents, sleepingbags, bungee cords and duct tape.
What, you think darkcycle sits on his ass all day at the keyboard?
Sounds like we need to reform our foreign aid policies. Eliminating foreign aid doesn’t seem like a solution there. Maybe instead of handing over the money for use by the foreign government we could establish organizations within the US who provide disaster relief, hire within the US, and use those foreign aid funds for disaster readiness and direct action efforts in foreign countries.
Wow, look at that. A solution that still provides relief in a disaster but eliminates the opportunity for foreign governments to misuse the money to commit heinous acts against their own citizens.
I just made that shit up, and I haven’t even been running for president for 20 years!
Good on you, darkcycle. The revolution thanks you for your support :)
Here.
Dude, do you need a three-cornered hat? They came in yesterday.
I am voting for anybody who will come out for the “Bill of Rights”. Or, is that ten issues?
I wish this could be said more than it is. Occupy IMHO is our only hope and people should be involved with it anyway they can.
Good article, good commentary. Thanks everyone for being thoughtful and providing an array of viewpoints. That’s healthy!
My 2 cents worth: I’ve always been on the fence about Ron Paul and agree that a lot of what he’s about is nutty. I’m also on the fence about his racism, which is laden with a lot of inconsistencies – some say he’s changed but then again, RP hasn’t specifically “outed” the newsletter writers, etc.
OTOH, if RP would be the sp-called “Republican” candidate to run against Obama, I would be happy to see it, if only bc then we’d have more true *debate* against WAR, Inc. That would make ME happy.
Do I actually *believe* that RP would make a “good” POTUS (whatever that means)?? No, not really so much, but OTOH, RP would not be *permitted* to do some of the stuff he propounds, particularly vis the Gold Standard stuff. Might RP be capable of shedding more light on the Fed? Perhaps. Hard to say bc at the end of the day, the 1% would STILL run the show and will put a TON of pressure on RP to bow down to their demands.
That said, I am *more* concerned about RP’s willingness to invade women’s uteruses and be the savior of yet more foetus-love. THAT is something that RP would have a LOT of support on from all sides. THAT is of some bigger concern to me. THAT and his likely anti-Civil Rights viewpoints.
And so, time will tell, and so: on it goes…
Oops…Leaving for the Occupy camp RIGHT NOW….eviction threatened this MORNING.
Agree with both of you (and others) on this very salient point. Right now, Occupy is our MAIN hope (not only), and I encourage all to be aware of, engaged in and involved with Occupy as much as possible.
Good luck!!! Keep us posted.
I urge people to read Paul Krugman’s critique of Ron Paul’s economic policy -
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2011/12/paul-krugman-gop-monetary-madness.html?cid=6a00d83451b33869e20162fde64914970d
The last paragraph:
“Now, it’s still very unlikely that Ron Paul will become president. But … his economic doctrine has, in effect, become the official G.O.P. line, despite having been proved utterly wrong by events. And what will happen if that doctrine actually ends up being put into action? Great Depression, here we come.”
I’ve got money for your bail, if you end up needing it!
I’d say that Anonymous is our greatest hope. Occupy is a close second. Anonymous seems to be taking more direct action that has an immediate impact on the 1%. Occupy is gathering strength and will be a force next year, but Anonymous is already poking holes in the armor of the Olicarchy.
Anthony, thanks for your dedication (David’s also) to getting information out to all of us on the pro’s and con’s of various candidates. The coming year is going to be extremely interesting thanks to your (and that of other commenters here) ability to flesh out the practical details. I listened in accustomed disbelief to the ‘political’ narrative on PBS Newshour last night when candidate after candidate was described according to measures that had nothing to do with whatever he or she was claiming to stand for. And I with you think that Jill Stein is our best hope as far as honesty and platform are concerned.
However, I do watch the Republican shenanigans with interest, particularly after reading the Occupy blog from yesterday, in which it was reported that a) Occupy folk were attempting to orchestrate a third (historical) choice in the Iowa caucus which definitely ‘had legs’ – so Republicans decided that option would be done away with. Seems to me, those independent Republicans, should there be any left, WILL go now for Ron Paul. And that I would like to see. Why? Because if Ron Paul wins the ‘Republican’ arm of the duopoly, he is the most likely to start putting up counter-Obama arguments that will be hard to disagree with. And that means some rectification of the national dialogue.
I agree with some folk that it is more likely the machine will eject him than not, but either way, I do think it is win-win for us, just as your idea of doing both primary challenge and ‘third’ party option with respect to Obama is win-win. What Occupy did was make evident the lack of historical openness Republican party operation in Iowa actually represents. Delegates are not allowed which haven’t already sworn fealty to one of the candidates.
We will indeed have issues should Ron Paul be the Republican choice – issues of agreement and issues of disagreement. And I believe that NOBODY wants the ‘least evil’ this time around, especially with the legislative record Ron Paul represents. But he has some issues that aren’t even on the table right now, and they are important ones. I for one would like to have those issues see the light of day.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We can excoriate BOTH duopoly candidates, and let the chips fall where they may.
Just take note, you (and I) just lost the option of writing in “Cheetah.”
Ah yes: Anonymous is excellent at what it/they are doing, and I am mightily glad to have them doing their thing. Thanks for that reminder.
Yes let’s by all means go by CIVIL LIBERTIES. If you are gay under Ron Paul you will not be allowed to marry because Ron Paul personally is creeped out by gays. If you are female and become pregnant you will be FORCED to risk your life to carry a child to term. If you are black then you will AGAIN get to hear that you are not being hired because you are black. Likewise for females on employment and any other minority. If you are disabled or you have a child that is disabled schools or businesses will no longer be required to accomodate you.
In short, if you are white and male then Ron Paul is fine on civil liberties. If you aren’t, he’s a putz who will set back your rights.
Let us not forget that Barack Obama appointed the most offensive human being known to science–Lawrence Summers–to run the economy in a way that threw tens of millions of families through the meat grinder.
Summers was operationally and effectively offensive by every measure, racist, sexist and classist, yet the professional hand wringers will suck it up and vote for Obama again. Obama’s practical racism has not deviated from the approach of the duopoly one whit.
I am not supporting Ron Paul for president because Ron Paul is far out of step economically with the American people. Americans are not libertarian capitalists, we want our Medicare and Social Security.
But we do want to end the wars, to let the banks rise and fall on their own merits, to claim credit making and currency powers back from the private sector as per the Constitution and to end the drug war.
I am glad that Ron Paul is getting traction because that does more to expose the contradictions in the threadbare duopoly electoral system than most anything we can do on the progressive side.
Delegitimation is a prerequisite for the kind of structural or systemic change required. Ron Paul is duopoly delegitimation embodied.
One of the better articles written analyzing the appeal of Ron Paul. I do not agree with alot of what is stated, but at least I did not have to read the words “kook” “loon” and “wing-nut” a thousand times.
Thank you. Ron Paul 2012.
And if Obama decides to assassinate or disappear you, you will lose all those other rights, won’t you? Why can’t you see that the rule of law is a necessary ingredient if you want to be able to rely on any of the rights you care about? I’m not saying your concerns are unimportant, I’m saying some things are more important. And I’m not saying I’ve made any decision, except to not vote for Obama again. I have almost a year to make my choice. Till then, I’m just gathering info and ruminating. So, chill.
Oh please, I’d rather be assassinated then FORCED to live in Ron Paul’s version of America.
As I stated above, if you aren’t white and male (coincidentally Ron Paul’s demographic) then you get second class status. You get only a pale version of freedom and liberty.
You might as well be arguing that the Saudi women have it good because as long as they wear their tent and don’t leave the house without male escort THEY don’t have to worry about assassination.
I’ll pass on Ron Paul’s version of civil liberties.
And I’m torn up about that. I heard he was, like 86 yrs old. I used to LOVE the Saturday morning Tarzan movies. My first “crush” was on Jane. Most boys my age, were the same. Then we switched to Marcia Brady.
The problem with identity politics in the US today, women, queer and people of color, is that all too often, the self appointed representatives of these communities have no record of making conditions better for the communities they claim to represent while somehow managing to make things better for themselves.
This does not mean that there are no problems with race, gender or queerness in US culture, to the contrary. It is just that this method of addressing it, two-tiered assertions of activist worldview over communities that have not bought into that narrative is not working.
I’ve had to learn to accept the fact that some people only care about their issues. But I’m a bit surprised to see that you are one of them. Even when it leads you to make the ridiculous assertion that you’d rather be assassinated than have to use effective birth control? That’s really nuts, so I have to conclude that you are dealing from pure emotion and not reason. Deal me out.
Actually the problem “is” that more than a few of us spend an inordinate time in uniform defending YOUR right to say such ridiculous crap.
Human rights are everyone’s responsibility, not just the responsibility of those who happen to wear the title woman, AA, or gay. It’s a sad state of affairs when human beings engage in the idea that everything ought to be every man, woman or child for themselves. I’d really love to know when selfish and self centered became something anyone would aspire to.
Cheetah was 80. I wish I had some reason to believe I would live that long. I confess that I never moved on from Jane, 1932 version. ;-)
It’s sweet that you took one particular portion of my post to make it about one thing.
Because if you ignore the whole entire “whites only” , DOMA and getting rid of the ADA then you can blame it on birth control and make it a “girl” thing.
Cute.
“Actually the problem “is” that more than a few of us spend an inordinate time in uniform defending YOUR right to say such ridiculous crap.”
Funny, I thought it was civil liberties and the rule of law people in uniform were supposed to be defending.
Wow, seems like it has all been said in the comments. Thanks David for such a thought-provoking article. I would just add that the mythos of Paul frightens me in the same way as the mythos of all great savior-leaders frightens me. There is something almost Maoist about his pronouncements and his adherents (a Texas thing perhaps?), just replace collective socialism with sovereign citizen. (I think Obama had a bit of this going too, the manufactured and pseudo-religious charisma, but it grew out of the horrors of American racist devastation, not a soured revenge of an ill-informed lower-middle class consumerist.)
Bottom line is that laissez-faire anarcho-capitalism does not work. We have seen that, and while Paul rails against the govt infrastructual supports of this sick economic system, he would encourage more deregulation that would propel us all to more feudal corporatism…good bye civil rights hello corporate rights. Also, we really do need to have public schools and an EPA.
One could do a lot worse. Some of the “photos” of her from the Tarzan movies, I wonder how they got past the TV censors.
Your primary emphasis the last few days has been on abortion rights, seems to me. Look, you are dying for a fight, with someone who is usually your ally. You dismiss the things I care about, and chastise me for not preferring the things you care about. I have said nothing except that I claim the right to evaluate a candidate fairly, without the media telling me in advance who is too “crazy” to be considered. I see your passion, and don’t have a problem with it. But you are way out of bounds to insist that I see everything the same way you do.
Thanks for your insights, David. For anyone interested in pros and cons relative to Ron Paul, here is another excellent article:
The only thing the article at the link doesn’t really touch on is Paul’s stance on abortion rights, which would be a large nut for many people to swallow.
Well, on edit I have to say that my link above doesn’t show–don’t know why. The article is at theatlantic.com website.
David: Which is more justly the cause of criticism?
Alleging that an Iron Age Rabbi rose from the dead, against which I have not yet seen a diatribe,
or that there is a global network of elites working together to roll back democracy and capture all of the wealth, and that they are simultaneously building a massive police apparatus to deal with the inevitable backlash from the rest of us?
The global oligarchy renders your left-right comfort-zone politics about as meaningful as the Guelphs and the Ghibellines.
sources, sources, sources Mr. Dayen. Don’t you check your sources? I thought you were better than that but apparently, NOT. I guess whatever fits your agenda is good enough? Really, dropping to sleazeball journalism? Here is a comment from a person that has firsthand experience with your “source.” Congrats though, the majority of peeps here gobbled it up as gospel. Jake Witmer says:
October 5, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Before I knew what a completely sociopathic, scheming jerk Dondero was, he invited me to stay at his house, when we both believed I was placing Gary Nolan on the ballot, in 2004. Dondero and I both supported Nolan, but for differing reasons. I supported Nolan because he had done an immense amount of legwork in Texas, where I was petitioning, even more than Badnarik, who lived in Texas. At every university, the kids actually knew who Nolan was, whereas they had no idea who Badnarik was. That level of dedication totally sold me, because I had been petitioning for over two years for the LP, and nobody ever knew who our candidates were, unless they self-declared themselves as libertarians.
The LP chose Michael Badnarik instead, due to some scheming from the Chicago Libertarian Party Chair, Val Vetter (he had the convention rules changed to allow Badnarik to give his class on the constitution at the convention). The libertarians at the Convention saw a tired and “worn out” Gary Nolan, and a bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Badnarik. They did not see all the new supporters Nolan had brought into the LP. They voted their ignorance.
Anyway, back to Dondero. Dondero had just quit/been fired (controversy) by TX congressman Ron Paul. Ron Paul was a hero to the libertarian movement, and Dondero had angrily quit when Paul angrily said to him “You work for me!” (Which happened right after Dondero had issued a bunch of pro-war statements on Paul’s behalf.) As best I can discern, at this point, Paul chose to get rid of Dondero, and that “getting rid of” was done in some way that was “off the books” to avoid embarrassing either of them. So, Dondero was so dedicated to militarism that he quit a job as the Sr. aide to the most respected and best-known libertarian in the United States of America. Interesting.
Back to the 2004 LP nomination: Dondero stated to me that the LP was “finished” if Badnarik won. I somewhat agreed, but thought he was exaggerating (and being his usual hyperbolic, over-emotional self) to some degree. When I left TX and returned to IL in the summer of 2004, Badnarik won, and Dondero claimed that he was now an “enemy of the LP.” For the rest of the year, he was a “Republican” who trashed the LP.
In 2008, Dondero was a supporter of Rudy Guiliani, after Ron Paul famously decried the waste and insanity of US foreign policy. He formed a group called “libertarians for Guiliani” that was a total and complete joke, and never did much of anything, when Guiliani rapidly sank in the polls, following his debate with Paul. Dondero became a McCain supporter when McCain won the Republican nomination.
While I was staying with Dondero in 2004, several things became completely clear:
1) Dondero supports militarism above all else. He has stated this clearly, emphatically, and precisely to me, in person. When asked if he supports the US military above the libertarian cause, he said “Yes. …Absolutely.”
2) Dondero believes that the ends justify the means. He is 100% OK with lying to serve his range-of-the moment (usually a few weeks) goal. He sees absolutely nothing wrong with this. (If he served the cause of liberty, I might agree with him, in order to avoid democide in the USA, but since he serves the cause of militarism and empire, I strongly disagree.)
3) Dondero has a crude grasp of libertarian principles, and all of them are able to be jettisoned at a moment’s notice for the sake of winning whatever argument he’s currently engaged in. This makes him a costly and time-wasting debate opponent, and it further forces one to rely on the audience’s intelligence to identify fallacies in Dondero’s argument. (Dondero cares nothing about this –in any debate, he is there to score points using any and all fallacious argument, and leave). As an example of Dondero’s crude grasp of libertarian principles, when I said “The US would be immune from invasion and occupation if the 2nd amendment was respected and private arms carrying was encouraged.” He incredulously replied: “You want ‘gun guys’ to protect the US? (laughter) You’re crazy! Only the military can do that!” He then tried to drown me out with laughter when I cited the example of Switzerland in WWII, and the gun confiscations from Tutsis before the Rwanda massacres, etc…
4) Dondero’s goals continually shift. He views this as “playing politics.” If he were vastly more intelligent, he’d be a Henry Kissinger type of sociopath. As it stands, he is a lower-level tool that our government appears to occasionally use against the Libertarian Party. For instance, he ended his friendship with me in an interesting manner. Although I had noticed his politics were inconsistent for some time, I had placed him in the camp of “wannabe objectivist” or “pro-war libertarian” and thought something to the effect of: “Well, he’s not a consistent libertarian, but he occasionally does some good things for the cause of liberty, even if it’s only making connections between actual libertarians.” Then, after the Paul v. Guiliani exchange, I talked with him on the phone, because he called me up wanting me to shill on internet message boards in favor of drug warrior, pro-war, anti-free speech, anti-libertarian Guiliani. I said: “You must be crazy. Guiliani is basically a nazi, and no libertarian would ever support him. This doesn’t mean that we can’t still be friends, but…” to which he cut me off, and said “Actually, Jake, it does” …and hung up. I thought to myself “Wow, Eric is really a sociopath. Oh well, good riddance to bad rubbish.”
5) Eric is a collectivist. He didn’t support Bush on principle in 2004, and he didn’t later support Guiliani, McCain (and still later Bob Barr) on principle in 2008. In each case, he was throwing himself into politics based on what the collective had done, in debates and in their conventions. When he became a ballot access petitioner for Bob Barr (hired by Bill Redpath to disseminate the message that Libertarians are pro-war to thousands and thousands of people), he justified his immediate shift to being a Barr supporter in this way: “Bob Barr’s a great candidate! He’s pro-defense!” All of Barr’s ideas meant nothing to Dondero except one: does he mindlessly support enlarging and growing the size, power, and scope of the U.S. Military. YES. Ding! …Eric’s a supporter!
6) Eric’s entire goal is to make the LP a mindlessly pro-military organization. This has nothing to do with “defense.” This has nothing to do with protecting the U.S. from undue theocratic influence (as it does for say, Leonard Peikoff), Islamic or otherwise. This has nothing to do with protecting the individual rights of gays or women, gun rights, free speech, etc… It has everything to do with defense of Eric’s tribe, his collective: the US military. The US Military paid and continues to pay Eric, and for that, he is their faithful servant. (Since this goal directly conflicts with the goals of the libertarian movement, and Libertarian Party, Eric should never ever be a paid representative of our party, ever again. He should never be a paid petitioner, ever again, because that amounts to him being a paid representative of the LP. Everyone who interacts with Dondero about the LP is told that the LP is basically a more militaristic version of the Republican Party that wants less government intervention on domestic soil.)
Recently, Eric was running short of money. Petitioner Jane Harwell has several interesting stories about meeting him on a petitioning job in Texas, and befriending him.
First, Eric asked her to come to lunch with him. She agreed, and thought they’d talk about the job, petitioning, etc… Instead, when Eric got to the restaurant, he said “Actually, Rush Limbaugh is on, so I can’t talk right now.” She ate in silence, amazed at how rude someone could be, just to listen to a crappy radio program designed to brainwash already mindless “dittoheads.”
Second, Eric showed up one day at the petitioning location she had met him at, dressed as a firefighter. He put a boot out on the table, and put a sign under it that said something to the effect of “donations” or “help the cause.” All of the donations went directly into Eric’s pocket. When someone would contribute, he would say “God bless you! …You’re a great American!” …Eric has mastered Texas’ “folksy charm.” He has mastered this by interacting with well-meaning, uninformed, god-fearing Texans, and Americans all across the USA. By keeping him employed as a traveling sociopath/petitioner, the LP and other petitioning organizations have helped him do this (they just want the signatures, and don’t care much who collects them).
Dondero’s reasoning goes like this: Those Texans who contributed to him WERE furthering the cause of liberty. …Because they were furthering the survival of Eric Dondero, the great libertarian crusader! By allowing Dondero to eat another day, those Texans were furthering the cause of liberty, by making the Libertarian Party more “politically viable” by making it more unquestioningly militaristic. (After all, a nation that doesn’t mindlessly support everything its military does is weaker than a nation that does!)
These tortured mental gymnastics are truly worthy of the “South Park” character Eric Cartman.
In Donderoland, the ends ALWAYS justify the means, and ALWAYS simultaneously result in serving Eric Dondero (by making him money, by making him seem important, by making him seem credible, etc…).
These are characteristics of narcissism, and sociopathy.
If I had less awareness of the Libertarian Party’s organizational structure, I might think that they would use this information to sheild themselves from the effects of hiring Eric. But since I know exactly how they work, I’ll just say:
Gawd Bless Amer-kuhh
How awfully presumptuous of you. I am not critiquing the need for justice, rather the notion that paid activist progressive celebrities, one friend calls them progocialites, can speak for disparate communities without their, without our consent.
By any measure, the circumstances of women, people of color and queers has at best remained static nationally. It was the Democrats, after all, that folded like chairs for the Stupak amendment, the greatest legislative rollback in choice in a generation or on DOMA or DADT a few decades ago.
There is a gulf between the paid activists speaking for communities and where those communities are. There is no evidence on the table that democratically organized groups of color have weighed the Ron Paul campaign’s plusses and minuses and come to the conclusion that these newsletters are show stoppers for them.
Indeed, the self correcting aspects of the duopoly require this kind of single issue hysteria to keep the ship of dysfunction righted. A corrupt political system only produces corrupt structures that only get funded when they keep the sham going.
If the Democrats could not make a go of it with 60 Senators and +60 in the house, it just ain’t gonna happen with the Democrats, they will never get dealt a hand that good again in our lifetimes, if they live that long.
I would add that the NYT caterwauls that anti-Zionists might be supporting Paul. Heaven forbid such an eventuality might unfold, that the center of global public opinion and international law might intrude into US presidential politics.
My last post lost both the link and an edit I made to correct that–now I remember why I post so seldom. This is an excellent article, whether or not you agree with all the points made:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/grappling-with-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters/250206/
Civil liberties, why yes. That would be civil liberties for ALL, not just white and male.
If you really think Paul can’t be elected, shouldn’t we vote for him in the Primaries?
And seriously, who’s to say that the condition of women, people of color or queers here in the US is more important than the brutal squalor to which 4 billion are condemned in the global south due to the constellation of military bases and interventionism that both parties embrace?
I’m with Ward Churchill on this one.
Annonymous is doing what the rest of us should be doing. OWS will be more mobilized soon but soon needs to hurry up. January 17th needs to become a Million person occupation.
Most folks in these so called “special interest groups” aren’t taking Ron Paul seriously.
I daresay it is because it his positions are ridiculous.
He can’t win the right because of his positions on defense and he won’t be able to take the left because of his positions on women and minorities.
I predict that just like Bachmann, Perry, Cain, and Newt he’ll flame out. We aren’t nearly a regressive enough country for the likes of him.
Just for giggles though, read through a “right side of the aisle” site commentary.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2011/12/13/scarborough-beck-id-consider-third-party-ron-paul-over-gingrich
I particularly am looking forward to hearing him expound on how no country is capable of attacking us. It’s going to make heads explode if he DOES manage to make it past his first primary under the Republican banner.
If you want a second Obama term go ahead and vote for Ron Paul.
The only rub to that analysis is that on the really big ticket items, decimating defense, non-interventionism, replacing the Fed, ending the drug war, Paul has support of 2/3, a tea party/occupy convergence.
It does not matter whether a Democrat or Republican wins next year. Absent ongoing mobilized organization that leaves elected officials no choice but to do the bidding of the 99%, we’re going to continue to labor under bankster feudalism, as we’re seeing ripen in Europe.
Our creaky democracy 1.0 is flickering with the Blue Screen of Death.
Yeah because women and queers couldn’t possibly be part of that 4 billion living in squalor demographic and what people living in squalor really need is to have their needs ignored.
Oh. You weren’t aware that Ron Paul would get rid of ALL foreign aid?
So much for that whole having Ron Paul as President will make overseas lives better thing.
Foreign aid is a pittance in mitigation for the ongoing subjugation of the global south by American military power on behalf of transnational economic power. Latin America has said “ya basta,” and is pulling out of the debacle.
There would be much less need for foreign aid if the 1000 US military bases were not set up to prevent any independent development in the global south so that their inexpensive labor and natural resources could be commanded by the industrial markets of the global north.
Immigration is largely fueled by this economic and military activity. People are pushed out of traditional cultures and pulled here to reclaim the economic bounty that we’ve stolen at gunpoint. People tend to not pull up roots and move unless there is a good reason. Chasing stolen booty is not a good reason. Better to not steal it, to encourage broad based economic sustainability, and diminish the immigration issue organically.
Until the US can put its own house in order, we don’t need to be thinking of how we can leverage our failures to make the rest of the world worse as well or to be inviting more people into the burning house when we’ve made no effort to save those already in the burning building.
I think you oveerstimate his appeal. He might have had a chance in the 1950′s. Today? Nope.
I dislike what the Fed has done and was against Iraq before it was conventional opinion. That doesn’t mean I want to revisit the whole entire idea of being the United States rather than have each state for themself and put the country back by more than a century. His positions on everything are antiquated and wrong for a country that values diversity and tolerance.
Let me know when you wake up and find the world perfect lol. The only reason we’re even having this discussion is because it has become clear we are stuck having to select from a disgustingly disappointing menu. That means any choice we make will suck. So far, you have indicated no choice. May I ask, who works for you? Whoever it is, I will respect your right to make your own least worst selection. Trust me to make mine when the time comes. I am still hoping for a miracle to expand the menu choices.
the first step is admitting that there is no difference like no difference.
Yeah because if our government weren’t in places, the global business community would totally ignore them and not be looking to exploit their resources. Bechtel is a perfect example.
I forgot magical free market fairy dust is gonna protect us all just like in Somalia.
Military intervention makes it easier for multinational corporations to profit in he global south than otherwise.
Many in the global south resist this extraction politically only to be trumped militarily or financially. Throwing away those trump cards is progressive.
Tell me, what is progressive about maintaining the trillion dollar military, “national security” apparatus and global financial structures?
I’m awake.
I’m not the one insisting the answer to bad regulatory bodies are NO regulatory bodies, unless of course you’re gay or female(then we need to regulate your personal choices because abortion and gay make Ron Paul feel icky.)
Barack Obama signed a bill that required Americans to purchase corporate health insurance, granted drug companies immunity to negotiated prices and included the Stupak amendment.
But, boo, Ron Paul has cooties!
Believe it or not, there is a happy medium between “decimating” and handing over trillions of dollars unmonitored.
I like to believe THAT is the “progressive” position.
Ron Paul is a moron. The fact that Barack Obama is one too doesn’t negate that.
When I say decimating, I mean cutting the military budget from approaching $1,000,000,000,000 to approaching a mere $100,000,000,000 per year. Decimating, the word has a fixed definition and semantics.
“Charges” (of racism) happen to be true.
You don’t know Paul enough to make a judgment on whether his is a moron or not. Why not just call him on his policies instead of attacking him personally? When people attack others personally, that means they’ve lost the substantive contest.
Do you also respect the KKK, Pat Buchanan et al for racist principles?
Let’s just attack him on the basis of what has been made public under his name.
Oh I think I know enough of his body of work to consider my opinion an informed one.
I “know” him just as much as I “know” the other candidates.
Just so long as we hold all candidates equally accountable, starting with the war criminal President.
WHO IS YOUR FUCKING CHOICE, ALREADY???????
Seriously, “moron?”
Actually, decimating means reducing by 10%. Roman origin, look it up.
Sigh.
Leave Roooooooooon Paul aloooooooooone./s
If you’re a white male “property owner” Ron Paul is a fine choice. If you aren’t, he sucks. The only demographic he sympathizes with *suprise, surprise* is his own. Everyone else has had it far to easy with the government coddling them.
Jill Stein or Rocky Anderson
I do believe I have almost a year left to decide.
Fine with me. I have posted many times, judge Obama on what he has done and what his policies really are — not the blather he puts out endlessly on Tee Vee.
Yep. Seriously. I don’t use the term lightly either.
Who says I’m not attacking him on his moronic policy positions. I’ve never met the man personally. Nor do I desire to meet him. Racists and misogynists stuck in a bygone era are a dime a dozen.
blueskybigstar, I feel ya. I’m also a man who is african-american. Like you I really can’t get too worked up about what Paul said 20 years ago. It’s where he is now on the larger issues.
Heck we’ve got a so-called black president telling black folks to go pound sand with regards to the economy and cutting small business help for “minority” business people.
Where we part company is I’m going Green. If the powers that be some how fuck up and Paul slips in there to become president, we may actually be better off compared to the current manchurian candidate.
Usage reflects both reducing by 10% and to 90%:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/decimate
Now, you know I could jump all over you talking about the futility of that, of how you’re probably just helping a caveman Rethug get elected. But I won’t because I respect your right to make your own best good faith decision. Please accord me the same respect, AND also note that when I told you that I still have a year to decide, you kept attacking me.
Heh
I’m sure things will look much better when whites only employment signs go up.
I do note your going Green. Here’s to hoping BOTH major parties have blown it enough to reach a tipping point.
He doesn’t have to undo the civil rights act. He just needs to not fund the regulatory agency that covers discrimination and make sure they don’t have the tools to handle complaints.
I’m half-Italian, so I’m afraid I’ll have to insist on the original Roman usage lol. ;-) As I recall, it referred to disciplining the legions by executing 1 in 10 men.
The Civil Rights division is handling complaints under Holder and Obama?
If you’re half italian, then all you get is 5% or 45%.
Don’t make me half-kill you lol.
You keep using the excuse that if something were occuring under Obama as some exercise on why people should be okay with it occurring under Ron Paul. The purpose of electing a new guy is to change things. In short, I’m not okay with it under either of them.
Furthermore, while Holder is a crappy DOJ EEOC claims soared in 2010.
http://www.fclaw.com/newsletter/newsletter.cfm?id=1058
I know the solution to discrimination claims is to IGNORE them and let the free market fairy handle it.
Compared to billions in the global south, domestic oppression against women, people of color or queers is imperceptible, the difference between war crimes and crimes against humanity on one hand, and criminal mischief on the other,
Humanity includes women, “queers” and people of color.
Contrary to Ron Paul world most of the people covering the span of our globe aren’t white males.
You don’t get to determine who it is and isn’t acceptable to bully in the name of “humanity.”
Under your logic, a stubbed toe in the global north is equivalent to the holocaust in the global south.
Trust me, as a gay man who has had to fend off skinheads who came after me with chains and who has traveled extensively, we know nothing of oppression in the US when compared to the underbelly of empire in the global south.
TO even make the claim that domestic racism, sexism or homophobia rises to the same level of what Iraqis, Afghanis or Pakistanis face right now in the sites of US drones or the price that Latin Americans or Africans have had to pay for our comfort and convenience over the past 70 years strains your credibility.
Ron Paul’s economic line is in effect Obama’s economic line.
I’m saying discrimination is discrimination and that humanity includes all the groups that you consider perfectly acceptable as victims under the bus.
You have no right to tell women that they should be forced to give birth and that their sacrifice should be acceptable. You have no right to tell an African American that they should be hunky dory with being told the reason they weren’t hired is because the sacrifice of their right to be free from discrimination is acceptable. You have no right to tell the parent of a disabled child that her kid doesn’t merit an education because disabilities no longer need to be accomodated. That she/he should make an acceptable sacrifice. You have no right to tell a gay person that their right to be treated equally in the workplace or to have a relationship should be stuffed back in the closet. That somehow it is an acceptable sacrifice. These people comprise humanity just as much as white males and you have absolutely no right to determine for others what their sacrifice should be.
If you want someone to sacrifice, start with yourself or with your candidate. Because as long as I have a breath in my body I WILL continue to call him on his positions.
Dude,
I spent a decade in the military and live abroad for a year and a half of that. Don’t tell me what I do or don’t know.
SO you’re willing to throw billions of global southerners under the bus to keep a few global northerners with a modicum of civil rights protections?
What selfish politics so typical of over entitled Americans. I get my housing and job protections even if the cost of that is measured in hundreds of thousands of corpses.
The same crap came forth in 2007 when ENDA was up. The HRC had “promised” trans folks that they’d be included but declined to do the political work required to get the votes and came up short. The debate was then whether to move forth on lesbian gay and bi job protections as they had the votes. The argument was that trans folks would get thrown under the bus if we moved forward.
That’s a twisted view of solidarity, that we all take a hit so that nobody wins instead of some taking a hit to help some win. In the intervenin 4 years, trans folks have made no overtures to LGB to help rustle up those votes. The legislative window is now closed and appears to be closing for a decade or more. All the while LGB in the flyover continue to lose home and job but the trans folks were not thrown under the bus–we all are getting run over.
I am no Christian, but physician, heal thyself.
cwaltz, have you really thought through your position on Paul? I mean do you really believe whites only signs would appear for example? (though some might argue that the signs are already up metaphoricly given the depression era levels in the black community.)
You don’t reflect any knowledge of what the world is like outside US borders from your writing.
I believe you are exactly right. Thank you.
Hey hippie joe @27,Amazing that you said there would still be racism if drug laws were reformed .I can remember when dixiecrats and other racists defended segregation by saying that even with Civil Rights passage racism would continue to exist .Moreover,drug prohibition never had any noble intent .White soldiers wouldn’t leave the women folk unless laws were passed to prevent threats of the hyper-virile Negro on coke and the sneaky Oriental using opium for sex slavery .The Supremes found such drug proscriptions un-Constitutional ,twice ,and they only found renewed life because of aforementioned WW1 hysteria .Now you can be a well-informed racist .
Yes Anthony Noel@ 40 ,if we don’t adhere to your proposal I guess we confirm Obama’s claim that we are a pack of ‘fucking retards ‘ with no where else to go .Do you think we should form it one issue at a time ,or submit our own platforms and seek consensus as we merge them, or something else ? If we had small working groups in our areas ‘it might be easier to to then merge our platforms into the skeletal architecture of our non-negotiatable principles .Your thoughts ?
It would be suicide for the progressive left to get behind a candidate like Ron Paul that – if he wins – would slaughter whats left of the social security net, environmental protection laws, etc. The fact that some progressives are even toying with the idea is a bleak statement of political desperation. Why is the focus even on republican candidates on a progressive blog like FDL? Why not investigate the progressive contenders like Rocky Anderson, green party candidates, etc? Why pretend that the two-that-are-one-party-system will ever offer you any alternatives worth considering?
If the election were between Ron Paul and Obama, I would vote for Paul. He’s not progressive, but he’s closer to my ideology than Obama is. I voted for Obama in 2008 because I believed his pretty speeches about a return to the rule of law, ending the wars, respecting civil liberties, and so on. Silly me.
I am NOT a Paul-bot (I too am turned off by the cultish piling on whenever his name gets mentioned). The man is NOT the second coming. But the views he espouses are CLOSER to my own than any other candidate in the race, including Obama.
By the way, I said *if* the race were between those two; it won’t be. Paul won’t be allowed anywhere NEAR the Republican nomination.