“I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation, and prosecution of suspected terrorists,” Obama said in a statement accompanying his signature [...]
“Ultimately, I decided to sign this bill not only because of the critically important services it provides for our forces and their families and the national security programs it authorizes, but also because the Congress revised provisions that otherwise would have jeopardized the safety, security, and liberty of the American people,” Obama said in Saturday’s statement.
Responding to the White House’s concerns that the provisions would limit the flexibility of law-enforcement and counterterrorism officials, lawmakers added written assurances the bill would not affect existing waivers of the FBI or any other domestic law-enforcement agency. They also gave the president the authority to waive the military-detention provisions, and dropped language requiring military tribunals for all cases.
The problem with this bill was always about the codifying of indefinite military detention into the law, available for any future President to pick up and use. The vagaries of the language in the statute, which allows for detentions of people “associated” with Al Qaeda, and the burden on Presidential waivers to avoid military detentions rather than an opt-in kind of process, make the language extremely unadvisable from the standpoint of the civil liberties community. However, it’s important to recognize that the Obama Administration really was already in practice allowing for the indefinite military detention of terrorist suspects. They didn’t want language that hindered their counter-terrorism processes, particularly those of the FBI. That’s what they got out of the changes, so the codification really didn’t matter to them at that point. There are painfully few political actors in Washington opposed to this complete breach of the Constitutional right to due process.
A less-noticed portion of the NDAA imposes significant restrictions on Iran’s central bank, by banning financial institutions from doing business with it. This places a serious strain on Iran’s ability to process payments to sell their oil and gas. Iran responded to this policy by threatening to close the Strait of Hormuz to oil shipping, which would impact 15 million barrels of Persian Gulf oil per day. The Administration holds the ability to waive the sanctions based on the global supply of oil and whether it can make up for oil Iran would be unable to sell. So I doubt this provision will have much impact, unless they want to use it as a lever for negotiations. Iran, in fact, made a proposal to the UN to reopen talks on its nuclear program with the West. So the waiver of sanctions could become a goodwill gesture if talks did restart.






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You’re right to say much of this was practice already; what’s new is to have Congressional blessing, which (as I understand it) +/- immunizes these policies against one kind of challenge (exec. overreach) under the key SCOTUS Youngstown Sheet & Tube decision back in the 50s.
As I write this the ad above my response is “2012 barackobama.com – Join Michelle and Tell Barack You’re In. Are You In?” No, I’m not.
When you write “news dump” you aren’t kidding–this is one big stinky civil liberties turd. Happy New Year from the fascist-in-chief.
He’s doing what the CIA tells him to. For the American people, Obama is telling me to vote for, or write-in, Ron Paul. I guess we are all potential terrorist threats now…
o, That’s what you get out of H_PE.
What a crappy way to end the year. Ashamed much, O?
Iran wants it clear they tried diplomacy Iran knows America wants war and will say diplomacy does not work.
Iran hopes America will not move more troops in until diplomacy fails. Iran if they are smart will attack us before we send more troops.
Iran tried diplomacy? In what alternative universe?
Yep, I give. This Socialist will be supporting Ron Paul.
Obama’s and the CIAs wet dream.
Such a lying motherfucker, that POS Obama.
The NYTimes came out (for war with Iran, sort of) in a let’s get tough with Iran editorial last night. All of the reader comments were sarcastically rebuking their position. This whole Iran sanctions thing is a replay of the war on Iraq. The IAEA is in the tank with the US to allege that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iran. The whole thing stinks. Plus this shafty New Year signing of the NDAA. Nice./s
Sweet!
Land of the free my azz.
Hope those FEMA camps are ready. He’s going to need them.
I’ve come to believe that the main difference between the R’s and the D’s is that the R’s actually believe this b.s. The D’s are utterly expedient. They don’t believe in anything.
Iran tried diplomacy? Well, It would seem in this universe, Jim…!
History of Official Proposals on the Iranian Nuclear Issue…
Imagine that…!
seems like they are trying it now also they wanted to help America after 9/11 as I recall but Bush turned them down flat.
Do you get the feeling Obama really doesn’t care much about us little folk. Fuck with him you get disappeared. And, oh yeah, there appears to be war in the offing here.
Check out this job listing for internment specialist at GoArmy http://1.usa.gov/vs8lS3 via
With one stroke of the pen Obama has declared war on the citizens of the USA and Iran. Disgust is too mild a term to express my feelings for this betrayal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
My bold The war games were set up for Iran now then imagine if Iran attacks slow moving oil tankers without anti missile defenses like our navy ships, instead of the American navy losing 16 warships we lose 100? maybe more oil tankers.
The price of oil will skyrocket. If the oil tankers catch fire you can’t move the ships and they will block the gulf from other ships getting in. Plus putting out multiple oil tanker fires while Iran is shooting at you would be a problem as would smoke from the oil tanker fires remember our sailors would be breathing the smoke.
I hope they all have gas masks.
You beat me too it. A crappy end to a crappy year.
And I can see 2012 only getting worse, sorry to say.
Even if Iran had not tried diplomacy, they haven’t done anything as signatories to the nuclear NPT or otherwise to merit the imposition of sanctions. That is, unless being a majority Shia rather than Sunni nation that opposes Israeli, Saudi Arabian and US influence in its region.
…The Administration holds the ability to waive the sanctions based on the global supply of oil and whether it can make up for oil Iran would be unable to sell.
Iran would have no problems selling their oil to the BRIC nations, China in particular, and remember Oil is fungible…!
As I’ve noted before it’s the Iranian Oil Bourse on Kish, that has Big Oil so rattled, with the probable shift to alternate currencies than the US Dollar…! Scares the bejeezus outta ‘em…! 8-(
Iran’s BIG sin is not kowtowing to U.S. Nothing more, nothing less. And they (and U.S. 99ers) shall be punished severely for that defiance.
TMI, but I was the best little girl any parents could hope for: high grades, athletically accomplished, pretty, etc. My unforgivable sin from my parents’ POV was that on certain matters I was absolutely stubbornly disobedient, and for the next many decades still think I took the right side of the issues I would not cave on.
So my sympathies on this are very much with the Iranian ayatollahs, as much as I see their flaws, which are many and huge.
That’s not diplomacy. Iran makes insane demands and offers nothing in return.
Huh?
TOM THE DANCING BUG: So… You’ve Been Indefinitely Detained! Helpful Information From Your U.S. Government!
My sympathies are with the Iranian people who will be massacred if this war happens.
Their leaders, like ours, are douchebags. If they pass, I will shed no tears.
It would be better if their leaders fought ours hand to hand. I could get behind that. Oh ya, fight to the death.
Huh ?…exactly.
What demands?
Yeah. If only we could get the 1%ers to fight their own wars just by themselves without involving 99ers, either for cannon fodder or for taxing out of existence.
I recently read Robin Wright’s book about the revolution and it aftermath (two decades when she wrote the book). The Iranians also had the hopey-changey syndrome and look what they got.
Okay, if you say so…! 8-(
Please do a little research before you shoot off about such nonsense…! You do know that Iran had already swapped a significant amount of enriched Uranium to France and the US, back in the ’80s, and they’re still awaiting the ‘rods’ they were promised…! They had even paid them for the job…! No refund and no rods…! *gah*
One of my fave one-liners these days: U.S. can’t take ‘yes’ for an answer.
OT, but fun for NY eve.
Barry Eisler’s novel Inside Out(half-way thru) has characters named Marcy Wheeler, Dan Froomkin, Juan Cole, Taibbi.
You do research. We’re not talking about the 80′s. Iran’s recent history of ‘talks’ has produced absolutely nothing and only serves to make the US look like suckers and give Iran time to stall and work on it’s nuke program.
A signing statement has no force of law. If Mr. Obama violates any of the provisions in the bill, Congress could challenge the White House in court, which would have the final say in any dispute.
So we have an Obama signing statement that objects to the civil rights destruction and assures us that at least under this president the prison and torture forever based only on an assertion by the government that you are a terrorist helper will only be interpreted in accordance with our traditions.
Now I can slept better at night.
I do love signing statements, the essence of being evil and claiming you are doing good. Love our justice system.
FYI, U.S. refuses to talk to Iran. Just sayin’.
First Obama has to get Turkmenistan filled with US death weapons. Then Iran is surrounded on all sides by US weapons (including Diego Garcia and the Fifth Fleet), and he can create another one of those fable Coalitions, maybe the Coalition of the Weaponized, to rain death down on Iran, killing thousands, or hundreds of thousands because what does it really matter, of Persians and Iranians.
Planetary destabilization continues, more drones, fewer rights, climate going haywire, technocrats determining your self-worth, and no chance of change. The New World Order has finally reached maturity.
Iran would be smart to attack us before we could surround them by weapons and move more forces into the area.
The US has done nothing but talk to Iran for the last several years, Iran offers nothing of substance / stalls for time / backs out of fuel swaps. Lying isn’t going to help your case on this one.
Did you peruse that e-book I linked to yesterday, eCAHN…? ;-)
The Globalization of War: The “Military Roadmap” to World War III
Has Congress ever challenged a signing statement?
Honest, Jim…! So what if Iran builds a bomb…? They’re damn sure not going to use it on Israel, unless Israel attacks them first…! 8-(
Call someone a liar you better have links to good sources. eCHAN on the other hand can if she bothers to reply to your attacks just needs to point to one instance of Iran attempting diplomacy.
I am sure she can find several instances of diplomacy between Iran and America. America selling weapons to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war under Reagan does come to mind.
If your honest you will either get links to back up your position or you will admit you are wrong.
Really?
Iran gets 1 bomb Israel has what 200? Worrying about Iran having the bomb is a hysterical argument but its all the Obama /GOP has as a card to play to get America into war.
I have no problem with you not supporting President Obama, but if you truly support Socialist policies and plan to vote for Congressman Paul, you might want to educate yourself on Socialism and Libertarianism. They are virtual opposites.
Don’t play the semantics game ok this isn’t grade school. Iran’s diplomacy over the past several years can clearly be characterized as stalling/ backing out of agreements. If you’re going to feign ignorance and try to point to a single instance of supposed diplomacy which has led to nothing of substance overall, then I will dismiss your argument as well.
Jim, really get a grip…! It is Us, as in the US, that hasn’t even attempted to Talk to Iran, except thru the Swiss Embassy in Geneva…! Seriously…! Look it up…! *gah*
Israel isn’t bent on Iran’s destruction.
Of course the US has attempted to talk to Iran. To the extent that Iran has offered anything of substance other than total obfuscation.
Your statements about the fuel swap are counter factual. Please do not accuse people of lying, especially when you are clearly taking a one sided approach to a highly charged international conflict. It is clear that the US wants a compliant Iran. The nuclear issue which is by no means a closed case or clear, is not the real issue. But I do not expect you to be able to accept that as true. Did you know that Iran had accepted a fuel swap deal that was nixxed by the US through pressure on our ‘allies’ not to facilitate a swap?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel#Weapons_production_1967.E2.80.93present
75-400 Israeli nuclear weapons vs Iran’s one first bomb assuming it even has a bomb this scenario does not strike me as a situation where a war will start.
“Inside Out(half-way thru)” Is that like being stuck in a turtleneck sweater?
Dewd, Get a clue…! 8-(
I think he’s calling from inside the Pentagon ring road./s
Counter-factual? Iran basically agreed to the swap then changed the terms of what/ when it would be willing to swap and it was unacceptable. Quite a shabby piece of propaganda you’re spewing there.
We have pointed out several instance’s of Iran’s diplomacy with America on this thread. So either prove us wrong deny reality, say I was wrong or be called a liar.
GOPers hate the Left when we use facts on them. Semantics whats next calling me a latte sipping liberal and imply I am an elite out of touch scholar?
Bwahahaha! Community College and a State school :)
Yeah I know, FDL is basically an anti-Israel crowd who are comfortable with demonizing Israel for possessing nukes without qualifying it in any way whatsoever.
Sorry Barry,
I didn’t really mean it when I called you Obushma, just having a little fun:)
When NATO started the Bilderbergs, they sure didn’t leave anything out! Just kidding Barry, just kidding.
USrael, I mean Isreal has more rights in Congress than We the People do now! I mean that one.
As I said, I’m not interested in a semantics game. Iran has not engaged in legitimate diplomacy in the recent past. If that fact is too much to handle then perhaps this topic isn’t for you.
Wrong again. I think he’ s calling from inside the building./s
Maybe you are thinking of the Palestinians.
Oh noers. They aren’t trying to get the bomb.
Or maybe they are. Maybe that’s why Israel bombs the shit out of the Gazans on every possible occasion.
This foreign policy stuff is sooo confusing. Who could ever keep track of all the countries.
Certainly not USG.
You might say that, when I keep running into characters I know in real life. :-)
Jim, I don’t care if Israel has nukes, as long as they don’t use ‘em…! Truly…!
Israel isn’t bent on Iran’s destruction but the Saudi’s the Egyptian’s etc all of whom are getting nuclear reactor tech from the West are Israel’s friends? Why complain about Iran getting Nukes when Israel has much closer enemies who are trying to get some?
If Iran gets a nuke one bomb at Israel would result in what 50 bombs at them and the death of their entire country.
This is not a rational choice.
Jim is either a three letter word meaning troll or ignorant. You choose, but whichever it is, don’t feed it.
Fuck him. He is just another fucking fascist bastard. He just signed the most unconstitutional measure since the Patriot act.
Right, Israel should just roll over and let Gazans lob as many missiles as they like at Israel. Too bad the Arab Armies didn’t wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, right? They tried so hard and failed. ‘Palestinians’ even willingly left Israel in hopes of getting the dead Jews’ land upon return. Those poor ‘refugees’ we should all feel so sorry for them too. Why don’t we declare The South the Land of Victims and allow them to restore slavery? I mean hey, they lost the Civil War, that makes them the victims, right?
Hillary, is that you?
Or Limbaugh, test marketing your next assault on the truth.
As SD would say, here’s your graham cracker and glass of milk. Now go outside & play.
Happy fucking new year peasants. Which detention facility do you prefer?
No, just a sane person who is nauseated by the psycho pandering to ‘Palestinians’ and the sorry anti-Israel stance of virtually everyone on FDL.
Aloha, hombre…! How’s Alaska doing this afternoon…? ;-)
Nope Israel can have Nukes we just want them to treat Palestinians like humans.
True, he’s definitely a GIYUS mouthpiece…! 8-(
That’s a matter of law now passed by some or another bill.
No one in our government is allowed to talk to any Iranians, I think the statute declares.
Cite some facts get some links to back it up and disprove all the examples of Iran American diplomacy we have mentioned on this thread.
When I see a fact from you I will tell you if I can’t handle it:)
Israel can give them land and treat them like humans for a start. Funny no mention of Israel’s killing Palestinians.
Is the amount dead on one side that decides morality?
…we just want them to treat Palestinians like humans.
Or horrors, actually being considered ‘equals’ under Israeli law…! 8-(
You would think they could hire smarter people. :)
‘Palestinians’ left Israel willingly when The Arab Armies invaded. Re-read that. They left willingly. They were promised the land, thinking the Arabs would win. The Arabs lost. The story ends right there. Israel tried to give Gaza to Egypt. Egypt didn’t want it. I truly do not get the rabid anti-Israel sentiment on a site like FDL, progressives/ Democrats are supposed to be clear minded and not pander to absurdities like viewing ‘Palestinians’ as innocent victims. Arafat was offered 90% of what he wanted after suicide bombing Israel for years and still refused. Israel has bent over backwards and gets nothing but scorn it’s pathetic.
Israel has repeatedly stated that it would not be the first to use a nuclear weapon. In other words, they are using the old familiar strategy of MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) as a way to avoid nuclear war. It’s hard to believe Israel, Iran, or any middle east country would use a nuclear weapon since it would have horrendous consequences for the entire region.
Thus, if you discount or lower the risk of nuclear weapons being used, then what is left is U.S. sabre rattling, way too familiar to pre-Iraq propaganda.
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WTF????
WHERE ARE ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS?????
He signed one of the most significant pieces of legislation in his term and NO OBAMA supporters are here to praise him???
What’s up with that???
You folks that support Obama, you OWN this. You folks that vote for him next, you are APPROVING this.
Wear it proudly. Oh yeah, if you do vote to approve this next November, you have no right to bitch when a family member up and disappears for no reason. AND you have no right to bitch when a future Republican President begins detaining political enemies.
Like I said, wear it proudly. It should be a nice match with the continuing 45,000 folks dying each year from a lack of health care that you also own and wear.
Enjoy.
Propaganda? Trying reading a summary of relevant Wikileaks diplomatic cables regarding Iran:
http://consortiumnews.com/2011/12/31/cables-hold-clues-to-u-s-iran-mysteries/
Nice day today Mr Tut. 4F but NO wind. Mountains aglow with setting sun. I am just lurking and seeing how US and Israel justify starting the next big one. Nothing like the goings on here to grab a glimps. See you at LLN.
A concern I have now that O. has betrayed citizens on the NDAA, will he sign the SOPA and cut off our means of getting information out,…..outside of the Fixxed News media???
Wow.
It’s customary here at FDL to share when we are smoking. Please share, I’d like to experience that once myself. Just for informative purposes you understand.
You put Palestinians in quotes, an attempt to delegitimize their identity. In any event, as you say, it’s not helpful to go that far back. Of late, Israel has been showing no sincere effort aimed at a peaceful solution. The best evidence of that is continued settlements in territory that is clearly intended to be Palestine’s when the eventual 2-state solution is implemented.
Israel, much like the U.S., has been veering rightwards over the years and is now led by a very right-wing coalition that does not want to cede any land to the Palestinians. The existential threat to Israel is not nuclear weapons, but the viability of a Jewish state if the people in the occupied territories are given the freedoms that Israel espouses.
I’ll share mine, OFG…! Some primo Puna Buttah too…! ‘Ere…!
*kaff* *koff*
Caio, mi amigo…! ;-)
Thank you!!
Whew, I was worried I was gonna have to spend NYE without a buzz. You’re my hero today. :)
That’s right, I put them in quotes. They’re Arabs. They abandoned Israel, which offered them citizenship, in order to allow the ARAB Armies to invade and hopefully wipe out Israel. Why you people side with them is beyond me. ‘Palestinians’ got Jordan, and parts of several other Arab countries as well. None of which has offered helping hand, ever. You’re right, I don’t see any legitimacy in the ‘Palestinian’ label. Arafat used it as a tool to legitimize terrorism, period.
Israeli historian Benny Morris called what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 ethnic cleansing. He supported it as a measure of self-defense, but he at least the honesty to call it what it was.
Mighty broad paint brush you’re using there.
Yeah, I’m sure every human being born in the occupied territories are born with a desire to wipe out Israel.
Oh wait, my bad. Obviously they’re not human beings at all, and therefore undeserving of any human rights.
Sorry.
Shame on this president who has the smooth talk to get elected then becomes beholden to the banksters that funded and are still funding his campaign. No to this guy in Nov. 2012
Yeah ok. Great argument.
Signing statements are for pussies.
Obama LLC later stated that he’d uphold “values” as long as it was easy, convenient or he or future Presidents needed to detain, sequester or imprison enemy’s of the State, as he or some insubordinate authority or authorities thought it was necessary. After all, isn’t security more important than freedom.
Right, but ‘Palestinians’ (Arabs) have been so kind to Jews/ Israelis since Israel’s inception. What is it? Anti-Semitism? Hatred Of Israel for the sake of hatred? It seems that no matter what is done to Israel by virtually every State surrounding it, Israel is demonized. That’s why I’ve concluded it’s anti-Semitism. Yes I know Arabs are Semites. The term is accepted to refer to Jews only.
Well, that clears up a lot. You’ve obviously made up your mind on this, but your thinking is rooted in the past. What happened in 1948 is of little practical consequence now. What happened in 1967 is that Israel essentially took ownership of a large group of people, mostly Muslim. Again, the existential threat to Israel at this point in time is either to continue its subjugation of these people, in which case Israel discards its democratic nature (and humanity) or grant them citizenship in which case Israel ceases to be a Jewish state.
“Why you people side with” Israel unconditionally “is beyond me”. Surely you realize that most of the Palestinians were born during the occupation and have lived their lives under terrible conditions. That you condone this is shamefully unfortunate.
Took ownership? You’re going to skip qualifying that diatribe with the fact that Israel endured a massive attack and somehow emerged victorious? You people just demonize Israel no matter what. Sad and truly pathetic. Go work for Faux.
Jim – you are correct about many things – including the observation that Israel is always evil in every action per many at FDL while the Palestinians who murder or attempt murder are just doing a moderate response to Israeli evil, and also including the fact that Iran pretends it is elected government can not control its real government by the Revolutionary Guards and the Mullahs that run things – so today’s missile tests and fleet maneuvers are a good because it is run by the “regular military” – but watch out because if those sanctions are passed the Revolutionary guard may do some missile testing.
We part company when facts are dropped – like a few 1948 villages did try to get the Arab population to leave – providing buses in one case. The lack of an acknowledgment that there are some facts to the Palestinian case short changes the overwhelming fact that 700,000 left because the Mullahs told them to leave so they could come back and take the property of the Jews after the Arab armies had killed all the Jews – or that many poor from other countries became “Palestinians” – Palestinian refuges – for the welfare payments provided – or that the folks that left did not think of themselves as or call themselves Palestinians until the 1970′s, when the PLO adopted the term for political reasons – or that standard practice in the Ottoman empire was to state to own everything with folks renting resulting in the new state now owning what the Ottoman’s owned and making those old home claims refer to rental units, albeit units that a given family may have rented for generations, but were at best now units rented from the Israeli government. Indeed Right of return, while illogical given history, is just a logical way to turn a Jewish majority state into one more Muslim majority, Sharia Law, screw the second class citizen/ non-Muslim citizen state in the Mideast, where Christians and Jews can apparently be killed after Friday prayers even when the Arab Spring folks say and practice inclusion. But Israeli settlements are illegal and are spitting in the face of the US and the world, and Israeli responses have on occasion been disproportionate and on other occasions not run in a way to prevent collateral damage – granted Israeli is held to a higher moral standard than its neighbors.
Likewise you lose me over going to war over Iran’s nuke program. There is no way to stop Iran from having an atom bomb – so does this mean there is no way to avoid war? ThingsComeUndone and eCAHNomics clearly laid out why war is not logical – and I long long ago went left in protest of JFK’s increase in Ike’s Vietnam “advisors” (700 military, 1300 “secret”, – so 2000 total) to 16,000 at the end of 1963 – yelling and handing out fliers in the Spring of 63 – a lot of good that did, I know). Sorry but I just do not see war as a solution to anything when the country is in no real danger.
Time resolves these things when people can’t – I’d rather wait for time to resolve this conflict – say by getting off of fossil fuels so no one gives a damn about Hormuz.
I love Israel. I think Israel was justified in defending itself in prior invasions. I think you have blinders on when it comes to ANY critique of Israeli policies. Just because they were victorious in war does not mean they can do whatever they want to with the captured civilian population. That’s basic humanity dude, with long precedent.
That has to be the weakest nod toward civil rights ever by a President – damn good thing he is trained in Constitutional law.
Yep, and Bush got an MBA from Harvard. I feel better.
– including the observation that Israel is always evil in every action per many at FDL while the Palestinians who murder or attempt murder are just doing a moderate response to Israeli evil…
C’mon, papau…! I’m disappointed in ya…! You know better than that…! 8-(
I think you have blinders on when it comes to ANY critique of Israeli policies.
No doubt about it…! 8-(
Constitutional Lawyer. Wow…
Happy new year Barry, you despicable piece of shit.
Kenya my ass, He’s an aspiring artist who was born in Austria.
There is only one thing you need to know about the “Peace Prize Winner” – he thinks his words are actions.
But Ron Paul is the conspiracy nut, kook, and loon when he called this law a “step toward martial law and a police state.”
Yup.
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Btw, papau… “while the Palestinians who murder or attempt murder are just doing a moderate response to Israeli evil…”
With what…? Their bare hands, stones, or even homemade ‘rockets’…?
Whereas, Israel, daily, kills with their remote controlled .50 cal machine gun nests, Predator drones, F-16′s, and, even Tanks, all wrecking havoc on Gaza…!
According to the story on HuffPo, in his signing announcement Zero promised that his administration would never jail Americans without charge.
Yeah, sure.
Just like he was never going to let the Bush tax cuts go forward.
And isn’t this the same guy who stood in front of the original Declaration of Independence and asked Congress for a preventive detention law?
Yeah, same guy!
Man, are Democrats awesome, or what?!
The only one here making any kind of bigoted statements are you. “Palestinians” have been so kind to Jews.” Nice, broad, brush. Lump all Palestinians together.
You can shove the Anti-Semitism shit up your ass; that’s a lazy, bullshit, response to any critism of Israel. How can one be bigoted against a government?? Especially a democratically elected one? You’ve never heard me say “The Jews are doing this” or “The Jews are doing that” because my criticsm is against the Israeli government, not the people. I don’t give a shit if that government is made up of mostly Jews, mostly X-tians, mostly Muslims, or mostly anything else. It’s got NOTHING to do with WHO they are and everything to do with WHAT THEY DO.
Does the Israeli government have a right to defend itself? Of course it does. And the assholes that make up the terrorist organizations are just that, assholes, and wrong. But two wrongs don’t make a right.
Our government had a right to respond to the 9/11 attacks. But when they do so in a inhumane and ant-human rights way, I will criticize them. Does that make me a bigot against X-Tians or Americans?? Likewise, there are just example after example after example of the Israeli government responding to the threat of terrorism in ways that are inhumane, have no regard whatsoever for human rights, and they are just as wrong for doing that as the asshole terrorists are for lobbing missiles into Israel and killing innocent civilians.
Anyone claiming one of those two wrongs is fine but the other one isn’t is the one that is exhibiting some sort of bigoted behavior. Frankly I wish the government of Israel and the Arab terrorists would go somewhere far away from any other human beings and blow each other up to their hearts content. And leave the innocent populations from BOTH the occupied territories and Israel alone. I’d bet good money if that happened those two groups of folks would work out a way to peacefully live with each other in a matter of hours, if not minutes.
Fuck the right wing Israeli government. I’m going to continue to bash them just as I bash our own right wing government. And any other right wing government anywhere. THAT’s my bigotry. I HATE right wing policies because they are nothing but EVIL for the masses.
Hope you have a great, and SAFE, New Year.
No, he’s a loon when he refuses to use the bathroom in a gay man’s house because he might catch aids from the toilet seat. And he’s a conspiracy nut and kook when he talks about the United Nations and the black helicopters.
On war, civil rights (except for women it seems), and the concept of liberty he’s sane, and often right.
Happy Blue Year. Can’t think of one legitimate reason for the indef. detention part of this bill. Who wants to leave humans in jail without getting to the truth of a matter? This seems to be a real Hell on Earth for any or many who can not defend themselves. Knowing this has been done by lawmakers and Obama shows they really do support Hell on Earth. I guess the truth will never set anyone free from now on.
Oops, sorry, my bad.
That was in response to nap66 at 110, not 109.
Sorry.
My point is that Benny Morris is one of Israel’s most avid supporters, and that even he had the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that his country had engaged in ethnic cleansing.
This law merely makes the point that the most important people are those elected to Congress because Congress makes the law, not the Executive or the Courts.
If you don’t like the law, replace the Republicans in Congress with Democrats or socialists or libertarians or independents or whoever who has faith in the courts and juries of your peers.
So… it turns out it’s not just the terrorists who hate us for our freedoms.
Like the Democrats who followed Obama’s lead into extending the horrible Bush tax cuts for billionaires?
Arab Parliament urges end to Syria monitors’ mission
“The speaker of the Arab Parliament said the monitors had to leave “considering the continued killing of innocent civilians by the Syrian regime”.”
LINK.
Isn’t just the straits of Hormuz. The choke point between Yemen and Africa at the entrance to the Red Sea is within submarine striking distance for Iran. They could not only shut down Hormuz but also make the Suez canal useless.