Inevitable. Absolutely. And how utterly stupid is it to base any kind of enforcement action on NAMES!!??? (I’ve never understood that part of the no-fly list, being based on names, but that’s another rant. Also criminal warrants, which we heard about recently from California).

This one seems particularly egregious…but that’s why it made the news, I guess.
How many hundreds or thousands of these have occurred that we haven’t heard about.

Remember “Born in East L.A.?” Where Cheech Marin’s character gets deported by mistake? It always was a comedy underlain by truth and prescience. Maybe they should make it a training film for ICE agents…

Homeland Security — Keeping America Safe From Runaway Teenagers Since 2002.

Would you be satisfied if no one got deported? It’s just one person who created the problem for herself. I feel some sympathy, but not much.

For the record, a substantial percentage of the residents of the western departments of Colombia (Antioquia, Choco, Valle de Cauca) have African roots.

The one upside to the story, if Jakadrien manages to make it back, is that she will be able to converse in a second language.

That was an emotionally distraught, and now certainly traumatized, 14 year old.

You’re a cold MF’er.

I would, yes. At least, if no one got deported without massive judicial scrutiny. If the border’s supposed to be secure one way, it should be equally secure the other. If you need the right papers to get in, the government should make sure they have the right papers to kick you out. Seems fair to me.

Holy fucking shit.

Fuck.

Would you be satisfied if no one got deported?

Probably.

So the punishment for being a teenage runaway (of color!) is deportation to Columbia! Wow, I sure hope you don’t have any kids – at least not until you find some compassion. Your sympathy pool seems to be pretty dry.

x2.

Yeah, just one little black American alone. What value is she? I’m sure that you always made the correct decision for every problem when you were that age. Don’t bother to do the actual work of determining that she really should be deported anywhere. This whole nonsense starts at the top with the nobel peace prize winner. I guess that makes right everything his people do to screw up time after time.

How would you like to be 14 and deported to a country where you didn’t even speak the language and knew no one? If ICE has to exist, it can at least do the job properly IMO.

Deport ‘em all, like kill ‘em all, and let god sort it out later.

That’s O’s mantra.

Obama should get off his butt and fix this child’s problem with one phone call. He won’t.

This is pretty weak tea when you consider what “our” prez just signed into law. Just hope you don’t get labeled a “suspected terrorist” or what happened to this 14 year old will look merciful in comparison.

OT

A day or so ago, you asked how my goose turned out but I had already left the thread, and it was too late to answer you when I came back to check additional comments.

If you’d still like to know, I think I can find an email I sent to a friend & C&P it in this one.

She lied and she stole. That’s what I find disturbing. I’m well aware that the people defending her want open borders. I don’t agree with that stance. Here’s where the average FDL’r and I disagree.

This happened because it is so unusual for a teenager to run away from home that no person of authority ever even imagined it would be necessary to train law enforcement in detecting runaways and then giving them appropriate assistance.

O’s affect is flat. He seems not to care about anything. I’d be surprised if he would care if it happened to his own daughter.

I would love to know how it turned out. Someone wants to cook one, just to see how it goes, and we have no ideas – except I printed the recipe you put up – thanks.

Having been to Colombia several times in the past few years, I can say with certainty that Jakadrien was treated better by the people in Colombia than she was by ICE in Houston.

I was also curious about the goose.

Who asked for open borders? I’m pretty sure the argument throughout the thread is better fact checking and some safeguards in place to make sure we’re not deporting the wrong people.

You asked if we would rather have nobody deported. If that is the only alternative (accidentally deport teens v. deport nobody) then I, for one, would rather deport nobody.

It’s not a matter of open borders. It’s a matter of handling the situation legally and treating the people arrested as human beings.

Sadly true.

Unsurprised that this happened, albeit very sorry to hear it. Since I’m not utterly lacking in compassion, I feel pretty badly that this happened to this young person. It’s not right; it’s completely unncessary; and I find it sad (and somewhat horrifying) that some citizens really don’t give a shit, as long as it doesn’t happen to them.

She gave them the wrong name. What else were they supposed to do?

She lied and she stole.

Ok. How does that connect to: “it’s ok to deport her to Columbia”? huh?

Do some more checking. She was 14 for heaven’s sake.

Not deport a teenager without any supporting documentation until they were able to confirm her identity without any lingering doubt?

Use fingerprints to identify her the way they’re supposed to?

I dunno, maybe check missing persons reports statewide to see if she matched any descriptions of missing kids?

Police work?

Any of those would’ve been nice.

Since she was 14 they should have done a whole lot of checking. They endangered her by doing it the way they did and left her unprotected by her own country. She could have, and maybe was, subjected to all sorts of horrors.

Here ya go:

I made the goose med-rare.
http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/how_to_roast_a_goose/

which is much more difficult than well done. If you look at the recipe, you have to carve off the breasts half way thru and continue to roast the legs which take longer. Noa can carve off turkey breasts (from the diner days), but she struggled with the goose bc it’s anatomy is just diff enuf. The recipe does not call for stuffing, but I did anyway: 1 pkg wild rice, one of Middle East long grain & wild rice with flavor packet, celery, onion, garlic softened in advance, chestnuts (didn’t put enough in), some extra fresh parsley, sage & thyme.

Med-rare is the way to go as long as Noa is your sous-chef. I never would have been able to do it. 14-pound goose, 6 diners, and all I had left (vegies all eaten) was one serving for me of carved meat & rice, and 1 leg & 2 wings that I haven’t eaten yet. So that sez a lot both about how good it was & what hearty eaters (and talkers I might add) were there. All I fixed for cocktails was Ina Garten’s parmesan-thyme crackers, and in the future they are going to be made with my wonderful goose lard. Sauteed apples with calvados & whipped cream for dessert.

Right now, I’m rendering fat I grabbed from inside of cavity, to make more lard & brown the bits of skin from the outside. I’ll keep that separate from what came out during roasting as the skin has a lot of salt on it, and there is some meat & other matter attached that will brown the lard & then crispy the rest, hopefully. I have liver, heart & gizzard they give you in the packet inside the cavity in reserve for whatever.

Besides which, we have no idea how many such cases there are and where they ended up, how much younger the children were, etc etc etc. You may be sure if this one case finally came to light, there are many more that have occurred.

Thanks. I saved this, too. Will let you know when we try one. Sounds as if it was a real hit with your guests. Looking forward to tasting one.

Exactly. It’s all very well to shrug one’s shoulders and say: too bad, so sad, you lied, them’s the breaks.

No doubt there’s been more of this sort of thing. Sadly too many citizens really don’t give a shit about *anyone’s* civil liberties anymore. And thus, the 1% efforts to bamboozle the citizenry into agreeing to giving up their civil rights continues apace.

Since the choice isn’t between not deporting anyone and deporting the wrong people, what exactly was your point?

14 year olds – no mistakes allowed

ICE assholes – the idiot-sky’s the limit

Skepticdog seems to be a real genius.

Yes. All are consumers of ‘real’ food, meaning you buy it from people you know, preferably well enough to know what the animals were fed. (Jack’s, in the case of the goose, who is supplied mostly by locals, though there was no label so I didn’t know EXACTLY where it came from.) It’s not the nouvelle cuisine ethic (is that still the 1%ers’ dining preference, or is that already passe), but a whole diff approach to food. The more you eat real food, the less tolerance you have for supermarket stuff.

Some kids look like adults at 14, but, but they could have done DNA testing, etc., etc. You can feel sympathy without going overboard.

We’re going to check to see if anyone around here raises geese. I hope so – if not, we’ll try the ones in the market.

I’d be surprised if there weren’t scads of these kinds of “errors” aka collateral damage.

On edit: I prolly don’t need to remind but if it were the 14-year-old daughter of a RWM, ICE would have handled it VERY differently.

You seem to be the one going overboard.

Not deporting an American citizen, especially if she is 14, is not going overboard. What they did is illegal!

Damn, where’d we put those life savers?

Can’t find those things anywhere…

I guess no dissent is allowed then. Sieg heil!

Prolly a Cynthia O’Connor troll.

Hey, if you’re not one of us you ought have your ass deported.. or something.

Surely not the kind of dissent that accuses the other party of what you yourself are doing. I guess you don’t realize that resorting to Nazi images in response to my mild comment is OTT, but that’s about what I expected.

My brother’s name is William Brown.

What do you think the odds were that name was on a no-fly list? (Google gives over 21 million hits, for a hint.)

Luckily for my brother, who had to fly frequently for business, TSA took the sensible approach with a 58-year old, clean-cut, white guy in a business suit, and advised him how to get off the list.

But then again, he passed the paper bag test, lord knows what would have happened to a brown-skinned William Brown who shared his middle name.

Accurately in context.

Why would anyone sensible ever put a ‘William Brown’ name on a no-fly list to begin with. (Rhetorical Q)

20-30 years ago, before the hysteria, Mexicans and central americans paid a couple hundred bucks to come across the border, they’d work for awhile, and then go back home when things got slow or they felt like they had earned enough money, knowing they could essentially come back whenever they wished. Now once they do finally make it across at substantial expense and risk to life and limb, they stay because they don’t dare go back. They know they they might not be able to get back in (alive) even if they could afford to cross the border again. So our entire “get tough on immigration” policy has created the exact opposite result, huge numbers of people who come here and never leave unless they get deported.

Actually I have read that thousands have headed back home in response to both draconian policy and shitty economy. Didn’t save any links, though.

New tech. just came out about 100 years ago it’s called finger printing.

She lied. She stole.
Deport her! to foreign country! where she is still in jail!
How does this make sense to you?
You are a pretty sore excuse for a human being.

The perps would be at Guantanimo…

“Jakadrien’s identity was never confirmed. She’s African-American, not Hispanic. She doesn’t even speak Spanish.”

She many not be hispanic nor speak Spanish but that does not matter. She has nothing to worry about because she has a big brother (as in African-American Brother) Barack Obama looking after her just the way he has been caring for all the immigrants.

It is profoundly irrational, oppressive and racist world when goods and money can cross the borders with less trouble than people. You think some people are magically better than others because where they were born.

No, skepticdog, I think where you part ways with most sentient human beings is your utter contempt for justice.

A crime was committed against a child. All of her human rights were violated. Odds are the Columbians, being the lovely fascists they are, went much, much farther in her abuse. She was also denied her 14th Amendment RIGHT to re-enter the country.

Your response? Blame the victim, in a fine and morally bankrupt fashion.

>>Would you be satisfied if no one got deported?

I believe Congress has only those powers specifically named in the Constitution.

The Constitution does not give Congress the power to create immigration laws, therefore there can be no such thing as an illegal immigrant.

(Actually, I’m not really a “tenther,” but a lot of the virulent anti-immigrant people are and thus are walking talking contradictions.)

I am not a nativist, either, and I think our immigration laws are based on fear and racism.

Sigh. I’m sure there’s no persuading “skepticdog” who’s clearly just a troll by definition (just posting to cause trouble), BUT:

If you read the linked story, you will see that ICE did indeed take her fingerprints.
Yet, somehow, it seems they failed to compare them with the prints of the actual Colombian woman. THEY SCREWED UP!!

There is also a concept, common to most systems of justice, of the punishment fitting the crime.
So, you think being deported, IOW sent out of your own country is an appropriate punishment for a confused juvenile committing a petty crime (as it was described in the article. Not even a felony.)?

I guess you won’t mind when your neighbor denounces you as a sneaky illegal immigrant hiding under a fake name, and ICE is equally negligent, resulting in your being placed on a plane and sent off to, say, Colombia or Kazakhstan, or wherever?

Because believe me, if it can happen to one of us, it can happen to any of us.

OT, but I have Maddow on, and I just caught an argument between her and Michael Steele in which he is arguing some ridiculous shit about the Tenth Amendment himself.
Jesus save us from these idiots who truly believe un-American crap.

We the People have dictated that deportations are not matters where civil rights apply. If you have a problem with that, change Congress.

And I suggest that all progressives would read the Constitution and find the power granted to Congress to block immigration to point this out to those who scream about health care and social security and education aren’t in the Constitution so Congress’s laws on those are invalid.

How about a progressive constitutional lawyer taking up the case of some immigrant on the basis the immigration laws are unconstitutional because it is not a power granted to Congress and the natural law which is inherent in the Constitution requires the right to free migration.

That’s true, but I’ve read the numbers are not large in relation to the overall picture and the numbers include deportations as well as voluntary departures, so the net overall effect is still as I describe. It’s a mark of how bad the current job situation is that some are giving up and going home what will likely be permanently.

Washington Post 3/22/06 Emily Messner *[1] – “A wall would create a strong incentive for the illegal immigrants already here to stay here; once an immigrant has crossed illegally into the United States [or legally on a visa], he would be much less likely to leave, knowing how hard it would be to get back in.”
Scholar Wayne A. Cornelius wrote in Death at the Border: Efficacy and Unintended Consequences of US Immigration Control Policy – argues that the increases in border security since 1993 have been “discouraging unauthorized migrants already in the US from returning to their places of origin.”[2] *Public Policy Institute of California Study “Holding the Line: The Effect of the Recent Border Build-up on Unauthorized Immigration” 7/17/02 – “Unauthorized immigrants are staying longer once they arrive in the United States. Data from a 1992 survey in Mexico indicate that of the people who moved to the United States in the two years prior to the survey, 30 percent returned to Mexico within a year. By 1997, this proportion declined to 22 percent. By the time of the Mexican 2000 Census, only 11 percent returned to Mexico within a year.”