One important part of the suspected covert war with Iran, in addition to the drone surveillance and cyberwarfare, concerns the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists. Several scientists have been murdered under questionable circumstances over the past several months. And now, another death has been reported:
An Iranian university professor working at a key nuclear facility has been killed in a bomb explosion, the latest in a series of assassinations and attempted killings linked by the country’s authorities to a secret war by Israel and the US to stop the development of what Tehran insists would be a peaceful nuclear capability.
Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, 32, a chemistry expert and a director of the Natanz uranium enrichment plant in central Iran, died after two assailants on a motorcycle attached magnetic bombs to his car, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.
Two other Iranian nationals were reported injured in the blast, which comes at a time of rising international tension.
Safar Ali Baratloo, a senior security official, was quoted by Fars as saying the attack was the work of Israelis.
“The magnetic bomb is of the same types already used to assassinate our scientists,” he said. “The terrorist attack is a conspiracy to undermine the [2 March] parliamentary elections.”
Israeli officials have previously hinted about covert campaigns against Iran without directly admitting involvement.
Maybe this has nothing to do with Israel or the US. I can see why the Iranians would want to blame them. I can’t see why they would want to kill their own nuclear scientists just to give them a talking point about Israeli mischief. You would think they would want to hold on to their assets. The case for Iranian duplicity makes little sense, and the most obvious explanation of the car bomb-style assassinations suggests that they come from those who want to stop Iran from furthering its nuclear program. That’s the Occam’s razor argument here.
I mean, we’re not talking about car accidents or other unfortunate events. We’re talking about remote-control car bombs, suicide attacks and drive-by shootings. There’s nothing subtle going on here, and the killings have all the hallmarks of covert operations. In fact, as much as the assassinations are presumed to have the intention of degrading Iranian nuclear capability, they may also be intended to kill the nuclear scientists in the most showy way possible, to deter other Iranian intellectuals from joining up on the nuclear program.
Keep in mind that the Secretary of Defense confirmed on national television just a few days ago that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon. There’s no public, credible evidence to the contrary. And yet, over the past couple years, there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that Western or Israeli interests are spying on Iran from above, designing cyberworms to disable their technologies and killing their scientists.
Like Glenn Greenwald, I remember when Glenn “Instapundit” Reynolds suggested that the US should kill Iranian nuclear scientists, and how liberals unanimously condemned him for such a wild suggestion. Now someone is actually carrying out the assassinations. Where is the outrage?




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There is no outrage. Well, there is outrage, only from the ones you’d expect. At what point does Iran retaliate in like fashion?
The military side of the Israeli attempt at stymieing Iran in it’s non-pursuit of nuclear weapons is attacking facilities. Small article at: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/01/11/402245/morning-briefing-january-11-2012/.
““A a group of Israeli analysts and former government officials” took part in a simulation that concluded that Israel could effectively strike and dismantle Iran’s nuclear program even after a successful nuclear test. “The simulation shows that Israel’s military option continues to be a significant lever…this option, or the threat to use it, is also relevant after an Iranian nuclear test,” said the report by Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies.”
Is it real, or is it Memorex?
Umm, that is what this is all about — provocation to give cover for another war. The 1% are taking a lot of heat at the moment and they need a diversion tactic.
I am going to apologize for this in advance………..
DDay wrote: “Maybe this has nothing to do with Israel or the US.”
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“This is too much of a coinciddence to BE a coincidence.”
Yogi Berra
No, really, he said that.
I been telling all you “Iran has a nucleur weapon doomsday” types that Israel has this under control. Chill out.
Israel? US?!?
These killings are OBVIOUSLY the work of AQ in Iran, which was formed from theremains of AQ in Iraq because we left iraq before the job was done. Even if Iran isn’t building a bomb, we can’t allow AQ to get a foothold.
Boxturtle (That should be enough to get me a live interview on Fox. Or an Op-ed in the NYT)
Maybe Israel will use military-grade thermite in Tehran like they used in Manhattan.
Assassinating their scientists will not help one bit and may really do harm.
From your second link:
OK, OK, OK, OK.
So you’re saying this is an INSIDE job designed to make the US and Israel LOOK bad when, in fact, it is orchestrated by AQ Iran????????
Hmmmmmmmm
Perhaps an anti-Khomeini/Ahmadinejad faction of Iranian environmentalists.
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Clever
Good.
Dayen: I seriously doubt any party besides Israel/US were involved in these assassinations.
alan, so YOU’RE saying that Ahmadinejad had him whacked and made it look like WE did it?
Also clever.
Actually that is my first thought, since one or two scientists dying are not going to affect anything – not the time line or the direction of Iran’s program.
The ancient Greek/Roman “who benefits” question suggests that since only Iran benefits by getting cover for the bomb work, it is Iran that is killing these poor folk. The added benefit of getting people pissed at Israel is just another cherry on top.
I watch a lot of TV. They should check the wives first.
Just sayin’
pandora’s box should have had a cosmic lock so very long ago. too sacrosanct to carry in the mind of we who would weaponize a flea
Suicide attacks?
That doesn’t sound like a US or Israel tactic.
It for instance could be an Arab country – like Saudi Arabia – who are doing the actual dirty work and letting there be misdirection to have the blame be placed on Israel. I think either way the US is involved, but wouldn’t surprise me if it was arabs doing the wet work as I think they’d be able to establish a much better intelligence network inside Iran than Israel or the US would be able to.
I think you may be right there. This morning I brought up this assassination in a conversation with a Persian co-worker and related the suggestion I had heard that Israel and/or US were involved. He waved that suggestion off saying that 90% of the Iranian people oppose the current “regime” (his word) and that it could only be Iranians because Israelis would not be able to pass on the streets of Tehran. That last part I have trouble agreeing with though.
you forgot SNCC and SLF.
Clintonian diplomacy.
Are you being deliberately dense? What BT is saying is we must go into Iran immediately to safeguard the world’s supply of baklava and pistachio nuts. Sheesh, no wonder people make fun of Texans.
Glenn Greenwald has called it “some combination of the US and Israel”. In his piece on whether the U.S. was at war with Iran, he said the U.S. had murdered Iranian scientists. He clearly blames the U.S.
I call foul. I think you have to be even more neutral than, “Maybe this has nothing to do with Israel or the US.” Especially if you are one of those, and I would count Glenn and many if not most of those present, I would certainly count myself, who don’t believe that Hezbollah has committed international terrorism.
What’s the relationship?
The sole act for which Hezbollah “deserves” the designation “international terrorist group”, is the bombing of the Israeli Embassy in Argentina. That bombing was claimed by a group calling themselves “Islamic Jihad”. And everybody said it was Hezbollah, acting as the agent of Iran. Just like everybody is now saying that these bombings are either the U.S. or somebody acting as the international terror agent of the U.S.
But the Argentine Supreme Court ruled that the bombing could be traced back to Iran and agents working in a terrorist group working on behalf of Iran calling themselves “Islamic Jihad” but specifically did not implicate Hezbollah. And that makes all the difference in the world.
To accuse the U.S. without the evidence while calling foul on the accusations of Hezbollah over the embassy bombing is to be hypocritically enforcing a double standard as bad as that of Instapundit, or worse.
I don’t recall any scientists killed by suicide bomber in Iran.
Me either, but it’s right there in the third to last paragraph of DD’s post.
Mrs. Peacock in the Conservatory with a dagger.
This is so incredibly depressing. It hits home as my father was a physicist and I could never imagine him being killed just for being a scientist. I mean, killing scientists – wasn’t that a hallmark of the Catholic Church in the Dark Ages. Sadly I think maybe we are living in a new Dark Age. If you know scientists they generally don’t care about politics. It’s about the work to them. I need a drink.
I suppose the long history of the west’s covert manipulation of Iran should simply be dismissed?
“Umm, that is what this is all about — provocation to give cover for another war.”
Quite possibly. The US needs war. War is the foundation upon which we have built our nation, culture and identity over the last 70 years. I wonder if we would even know who we are without it.
Good luck getting any Democrats to answer that question honestly. The partisans are already in hyperdrive and you’re either with them or you’re against them.
One historical point: this type of provocation is exceedingly dangerous. What happens when Iran begins assassinating American or Israeli or Europeans scientists? Or diplomats? Or business leaders? We are painting Iran into a corner just as we did with Japan before they attacked us at Pearl Harbor. The possibility of escalation is high.
I am against these crooks.
The USA appears to be pushing for war. What with economic sanctions not permitting Iran to sell its oil.
The larger darker forces are that of corporate Empire. They want that control over that oil. That is why the elites in China and India won’t object to war (apparently) since they seem to want that oil too.
Empire doesn’t have to listen to peaceniks like us, or farmers in NY who don’t want gas drilling and its associated pollution. Empire doesn’t have to listen to science, history, or facts. Hey, what are 4 melting down nuclear power plants in Japan, but just a cost of doing business and they don’t care about the civilians who will die from nuclear poisoning.
For me, it all comes back to the Wall Street Corporate octopus. They call the shots and people over there and over here die because of their profiteering.
I guess we’ll find out now that the Tehran regime is set to kill Amir Mirzaei Hekmati, a 28-year-old American, Arizona-born, Michigan-raised — former Marine.
Hekmati was visiting family in Iran last summer when he was apprehended by authorities, and this week given a death sentence.
That’s kind of making a personal attack, and I don’t appreciate that.
You really push it, rc, don’t you?
I’m just wondering about you. Have for a while.
I guess as long as people call you darlin’, you can spew as much as you want.
I’m just asking you to back down on the “personal attacks. Which happen, as I hope you are aware.
This pretty much has CIA written all over it.
demi, demi, demi, chill out. There’s no attack here, newcarguy is one of my best buddies here, and we joke around like this ALL THE TIME. I like to play with my friends, and my friends like to play with me. We laugh so we don’t have to cry. You don’t need to worry yourself about it. Really.
Yes, I forgot about that. These things can spiral out of control very quickly. Iran is a dangerous state today and it would be very unfortunate if the Iranian regime acquired nuclear weapons. I have read diverging accounts of how close Iran is to that but it seems, at minimum, to be a year or more from now. My point is that these kinds of provocations — like embargoes — can easily escalate into full-blown conflict. I sure hope the people behind the assassination have thought this through.
It looked sarcastic but good-natured, how it reduced itself to absurdity at the end and took off any mean-seeming edge from the beginning. No? Yes?
…that it could only be Iranians because Israelis would not be able to pass on the streets of Tehran.
Apparently, you’ve never heard of the MEK…! The US neocon/Israeli supported terrorist group(according to our own State Dept.) that works in Iran and Iraq…!
Global warming. Nuclear meltdowns. Poisoned seas. Hollowed, drained and ravaged land. Desertification. Drought. Extreme heat. When you ain’t got the planet you ain’t got nothin. Even on a purely economic level it makes no sense. It is going to cost astronomical — bankrupting — amounts of money to cope with the climactic changes we are about to experience in, say, the next 20 years. After that … You simply cannot take densely settled deeply-established modern societies and relocate them because there is nowhere for them to go.
If the Mossad keeps knocking of Iranian nuclear scientists, Iran will have to start importing them from North Korean, after kissing Kim Jong Un’s butt, or maybe Pakistan would like the consulting fees.
;-)
AitchD and realtycheck.
I think I need a time out for a while.
demi, if you’re having a bad day, just relax and laugh. We’re all friends here. ((demi))
So, are all of you are assuming that the only people who would strongly object to a nuclear Iran and are capable of this sort of covert op are the US and Israel? Really? If it is not the US or Israel, the actual culprit has a perfect cover in the fact that the observable fact that Iranian gov’t runs its mouth first, investigates second. And there are plenty of people into the West who will buy into that line of reasoning without further explanation because they haven’t thought it through far enough to think about whether or not anyone else might have the means and the motive.
Iran has enough violent separatist groups internally that the only means required are the ability to ship arms and money to one of them and let them figure out the operational parts of the equation. Another possibility is that our grouping of these attacks together as a single campaign is a category error, and that some of them have been carried out or funded by foreign sources, others have been the work of domestic militants, and still others the work of the Iranian gov’t disposing of politically inconvenient people.
If Iran were conducting its own super-secret Manhattan Project, wouldn’t the Iranians keep any scientists involved under wraps, highly protected, like the United States did during our own Manhattan Project (and probably Israel did, and the Soviets, and the Chinese, and the Indians, and the Pakistanis)?
IOW, either Iran doesn’t have a build-the-bomb Manhattan Project in the works at present, thus leaving Iranian nuclear-related scientists unprotected, unsequestered, since they are involved in a peaceful nuclear power program, or they do have a Manhattan Project in progress and don’t want to tip everyone off by guarding or sequestering these scientists. One would think that with so many Iranian nuclear-related scientists being killed recently that the Iranian authorities would have, by now, stepped up security around any and all scientists associated with Iran’s nuclear aspirations, whether peaceful or build-the-bomb in intent.
If the Israelis believe they can effectively dismantle the Iranian nuclear program with military force after they’ve tested their first weapon, then it is less likely they will strike now. After all, any such military action would come at enormous cost, and the Iranians might never make it to their first test. So much better to wait and see.
“The possibility of escalation is high.”
I suspect escalation is the goal.
I am very familiar with the mujahadeen e qhal, I was merely relaying what an Iranian national living here in the US thought about this (and other apparent Black Ops) incident. He would have a better sense of it than I, or probably you, I believe.
I wouldn’t be the least surprised if the assassin was an Iranian or if the assassin’s group is funded or supported by the U.S. or Israel. I don’t see how it makes much of a difference. I doubt it will to Iran anyway, and that is the point I’m making. We should remember that this didn’t happen in a vacuum: the U.S. has orchestrated economic sanctions that are destroying the Iranian economy as we speak and that there have been bomb attacks on suspected Iranian nuclear sites. Who else would you say is the likely assassin, if not Israel, the U.S. or an internal Iranian group?
My bad. I MAY had overdosed on anti-histamine and cough suppressant.
(Note absence of the word “inadvertently”)
WOW!!!! Did you find Mr. Peabody’s “Way-Back Machine” or what?????
ALWAYS a possibility in my book.
LOL. Well, you got me in trouble by taking so long to come back and non-explain yourself. ;-)
Iran is a central hot-spot distributor of refined opiates, so you can’t rule anything out. I’d want to wait to see the doctored Zapruder film before rushing to judgment.
LOL!!!!
I’ve been out of pocket. Just so ya’ know…..I thought that was HILARIOUS!!!!!!
demi, that was nice of you to stick up for me. :-)
You’d THINK that. :-)
You’re joking, right?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,777899,00.html
I agree. But, patience is not the Israeli’s strong suit.
(See “Raid on Entebbe”, available on DVD and Blue Ray)
could it be someone like this?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-saudis-iran
Sooooooooooo sorry. Nice to know SOMEBODY’S got my back if and when you get outta line. :-)
FYI everybody, when you live in Texas and have governors like Bush and Perry and people like Ross Perot and ron Paul, you GOTTA have a highly developed sense of humor.
and
Now I’m suspecting you were deliberately hanging back so you could watch me twist in the wind. With friends like you, who needs enemas?
You’re not gonna believe this. I just saw an “ad” in “Career Builder” for a nucleur scientist position with the area code for Tehran.
I was in a meeting.
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That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Who’s gonna protect me from you? Tough room, indeed lol.
Imagine how the Saudi government would feel about a nuclear Iran, for one example. They hate the Israelis almost as much as Iran does and their long-standing oil for arms deal with the US is the only thing binding them to the US. They’re not a US puppet, much as many in the US would like to believe otherwise.
That made me spew. Good one.
Who woulda thought a few “accidental” Iranian scientist’s deaths could be so entertaining.
I apologize for that. That’s inappropriate.
Actually, all your Diner buddies I suspect.
Actually, they’re pretty good at playing the long game. The Entebbe raid was time critical because Idi Amin intended to murder the hostages, as evidenced by the execution of Dora Bloch. The hijackers were paid the correct ransom.
You’re absoliutely right.
Coulda been the Saudis, with the candlestick, in the library.
Unlike the US or Israel, a nuclear Iran represents an existential threat to the House of Saud.
Not just “exisetntial” ‘Spose Iranians buy some cheap, shitty, inertial guidance system from, like, the French. Not even all of OUR rockets (or UAV drones) go where we want them to go.
Don’t the Saudis expect us to take care of those things for them?
Or the Greeks in the billiard room with the lead pipe.
They may expect it, but if I were them I wouldn’t trust that the US would do enough. The US gov’t has been having plenty of second thoughts about that relationship, and it’s their heads on the block.
Perhaps you are correct. In any case, if Iran attacks Saudi Arabia it amounts to an attack on the U.S. as much as an attack on Israel would. So I really don’t think it matter much exactly who is doing what. Iran plausibly sees this as the U.S. and Israel and will presumably react accordingly. Maybe the death sentence for the “CIA Agent” is the start. That is my fear.
From a recent Guardian article… Iran’s nuclear ambitions have already started a war with west – a covert one
…Bush asked Congress to approve $400m for a programme of support for rebel ethnic groups, as well as intelligence gathering and sabotage of the nuclear programme. Part of that effort involved slipping defective parts such as centrifuge components into the black market supply to Iran, designed to blow apart while in operation and in so doing bring down all the centrifuges in the vicinity. The UK, Germany, France and Israel are said to have been involved in similar efforts. Meanwhile, western intelligence agencies stepped up their attempt to infiltrate the programme, seeking to recruit Iranian scientists when they travelled abroad…
Interestingly, one of the news accounts alluded to the fact that that scientist had just recently attended an IAEA meeting…! Hmmm…
Al Jazeera English has this summary:
There is a difference between having the capability of building nuclear weapons rapidly without ever building one, such as Japan’s nuclear weapons strategy, and actually building them, such as North Korea has done. All evidence, including Sec. Panetta’s admission is that Iran has not built a nuclear weapon. The specialties (if they are accurate reports) of the murdered scientists and engineers point to wanting to have the capability to do so. Japan is constrained by articles of surrender from going too far down the nuclear road.
The US position is that Iran is suspected of violation of article III of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty:
None of the scientists murdered were acting contrary to Article III. And the IAEA has not found any evidence of Iran violating Article III.
The problem of “who done it?” is the number of different nations’ interests that would benefit. The MO seems to be bombs or bomb-rigged vehicles. No more sophisticated that what moonshiners in the Carolinas used against revenooers in the 1940s and 1950s.
That’s pretty much my point. If you’re wondering who is conducting a covert campaign to prevent country A from performing act B, your first suspects should be those with the most to lose from act B. In the case of Iranian nuclear ambitions, the US and Israel are not the parties with the most to lose, not by a long shot.
As long as we are dependent on their oil, we’re likely to defend them. However, the Saudis aren’t just thinking about the next ten years — they’re thinking about the next fifty to a hundred. They are shit-scared that the West is starting to take its first faltering steps to move away from oil dependency. They know damn well that we don’t care one bit for them beyond their role as an oil supplier, and once we don’t need that anymore, they are in trouble.
The US has changed tactics because they don’t want to lose another drone…
As I stated in my first post, I did not understand nor agree with my co-worker’s incredulity that the bombing might at least have been facilitated, if not carried out, by outside agitators. So I think you and I are on the same page (of history from which the Israeli regime will hopefully some day fall /s).
CT,
“…Bush asked Congress to approve $400m for a programme of support for rebel ethnic groups”
That tactic has always worked out so well in the past 150 years…
here’s a f’r instance:
whether it’s Israeli or western covert actions or an inside job, directed by the clerics, say. Either way we’ll never know and the results are the same. The west can be blamed or the story can be fit in that narrative for their nationalistic Iranian narrative and the fear is put into Iranians about working in the nuclear field. Whatever happens can always be made useful for the players at the center. The conflict between the president and the supreme leader is well known. Wouldn’t surprise me if the clerics cornered Achmidenejad and his group on the nuclear issue.
Without any evidence, it also seems this ratcheting of tensions between Iran and the west happens just when North Korea has a major shift in power. No evidence of any connection except the time and I haven’t seen anyone mention it. Coincidence, confluence, conspiracy or conflation? Trying to guess what the CIA is up to is hard enough, but lump in the motives of the Mossad and the Iranian clerics and it gets downright confusing.
…the same page (of history from which the Israeli regime will hopefully some day fall /s)
*heh* To paraphrase Adhminejad, eh…? ;-)
Jim White wrote a great post at Emptywheel…
In it he alludes to JSOC’s activities as opposed to the CIA’s…! I’m inclined to think it’s more of a JSOC op…!
My own opinion is that Israel intends to attack Iran unless we — the U.S. — step up on these asymmetrical efforts. (Obama can’t control Israel.) And let’s face it: the United States is becoming quite adept at what we’d label terrorist tactics in our enemies. But I don’t know for sure. All I know is that a war with Iran will be ruinous and should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
Lets use the word murdered becasue its more appropriate.
yes CT, thank you. What Bill@11 there said was interesting too.
Thanks, that White piece is powerful and removes some doubt about who is doing what. This really caught my eye:
With that as U.S. policy just what do we expect the Iranian regime’s response will be? People get very dangerous backed into corners.
How does it go? As you sow, so shall you reap. Guess it doesn’t apply to Israel.
Maybe the US suspected a reduction in tensions when they rescued the Iranian sailors. Can’t have that.
Yer snark quotient grows mightily, but ya might wann ID it so others less well informed of your skills don’t mistake it for realit
;-)
Dude, ya missed the invisible snark tag.
LMAO!!!
Yeh, that Razor Dude theory pretty much spells it out.
Same o same o . . .
Not a chance in hell or where 76 virgins lie waiting for the chaste.
Staged suicides made to look like suicide but in reality are homocides.
You Don’t pay attention much to reality, do ya . . .
This is Isreal and USA Mossad/CIA all over it . . . wake up.
Ok, I give there . . . yes, Sunni efforts at the forefronts, to quell any sense of Shia advancements in Iran . . . but all bought and paid for and supported by US/Israel.
Yeah, I hear ya, I was talking to my aunt’s cousin in Iowa, who said her 3rd daughter’s husband’s secon cousin knew a Persian that feel that way, too. Also, ya betcha.
Damned Iranians n Persions messin up a good libruhal fantasy n faux meme . . .
Ignorance is bliss, better to keep one’s fonts closed rather than to reveal the truth of one’s ignorance.
Tell Karl Rove the script is old and won’t fly anymore with them damned hippies . .
LEAVVE THE PISTACHIO’S ALOOOOONNNNNEEE!
;-)
Heh no shit!
LMAO at the others and their POV’s . . .
LeSigh, wiping eyes dry . . .
Pure obfuscation and bullshit of the first order.
Tell Karl you need a new script, this one ain’t working.
i was long late to this one n now I JUST can’t go on . . . bless the normal people and well, you others are just a riot and a laff . . . but you are wasting good white space, I will say.
I don’t pay attention much to reality?
I paid enough attention to read the linked article. And no, there was no suiside at all. DD just added that word to be provocative and lure in the anti-usa and anti-Israel suckers.
Mission accomplished.