I mentioned earlier in the week how the public option fight changed the progressive movement. You had a popular, compromise measure that the public supported, where advocates did everything right, getting their pledges and using allies to make demands, and none of it mattered. It bred cynicism for future fights.
Underneath all that was a belief that the public option’s fate represented a sellout, that forces inside Washington cut a deal, whether with the hospital industry or the insurance industry or whoever, to get rid of the public option at the last minute. Tom Daschle confirmed this in a book all the way back in 2010, which he then had to walk back. And other reports have made similar claims, though nobody could nail it down.
Now, Richard Kirsch, who was the head for Health Care for America Now, the labor-backed coalition trying to pass the Affordable Care Act in 2010, admitted that the public option was traded away in the midst of the fight.
The book is Fighting For Our Health, by Richard Kirsch, who directed the advocacy group Health Care for America Now during the push for reform. HCAN is a well financed umbrella group backed by scores of liberal groups, unions, and other reformers — making Kirsch a close witness to the entire saga. He confirms that the White House treated the public option like a bargaining chip with powerful industry players, and believes that when his group became most critical of the bill mid-way through the fight, that top White House aides sought to have him canned.
“The White House had negotiated a number of deals with the health industry, designed to win their support for reform, including agreeing to oppose a robust public option, which would have the greatest clout to control how much providers got paid,” writes Kirsch, largely confirming what has become an open secret in Washington.
(emphasis added) The fact that the head of HCAN, which was easily the most compliant outside ally to the White House during the health care debate, almost got fired for “off-the-reservation” tactics shows you how viciously opposed the White House was to any outside action – right up until the point they needed those outside allies at the end to get the bill home.
I don’t know how many people have to tell this tale. The public option got traded away. Jane Hamsher reported it here at FDL early on in the fight. Maybe it got traded away because the White House believed that it ultimately could not get the votes. Maybe the sequencing is that Joe Lieberman said he could never support it and THEN the trade occurred. There are ways to be charitable about this to an extent. But I don’t know how anyone can deny that it was traded away.
And that’s why there’s a credibility gap between Washington Democrats and a non-trivial segment of the base. They don’t see political pledges and vows as having a whole lot of meaning anymore. They seek other means to make progress.
Some of those strategies have been successful: the Occupy movement has, if nothing else, occasioned a rhetorical shift in focus toward inequality and poverty and away from deficits. On a more traditional level, the SOPA strike and online activism against anti-piracy legislation has stopped something once thought inevitable. So we have not seen a disengagement from politics.
But you’re not going to see the same kind of engagement after the public option fight. That broke a bond between the progressive movement and the political establishment that had already been fraying over the years.





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Rats! Rats! Rats!
Hah.
It was already dealt away in the summer of 2008 at the Senate Finance Committee Health Care forum (in Denver I believe). Thy have taken down the website now, but if you look at the list of participants — everyone from Peter Orszag to Jonathan Gruber. That’s where the deal was carved out. Everyone knew Senate Finance was going to write the legislation, which was why nobody paid any attention to anything else.
Lieberman was WAAAY late to the game, the excuse they needed to do something horrifically unpopular, because he didn’t care about pissing people off. But as early as March of 2009 (if I recall correctly) Rahm was already telling journalists that they’d have a “trigger” for a public option. They were already plotting ways to handle the PR aspect of ditching it.
Oh, and why didn’t Richard Kirsch say anything at the time? He doesn’t get to reconstitute himself as a hero. Remember when he was endorsing Carper’s deal to let states opt out of the public option in October 2009?
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/08/silver-bullett-in-the-head-for-the-public-option/
Maybe Kirsch says a few words in the book about how HCAN was threatened with having their funding cut, so they became an important part of selling the very thing they had been created to stop. Which he never mentioned at the time. And when they started supporting ANY health care bill regardless of whether it had a public option or not, POOF!! Suddenly George Soros and Atlantic Philanthopies are writing big checks again.
Inquiring minds, yadda yadda….
PS. No I will never forget.
Google bucks never hurt.
At least we can put the `Spineless or evil?’ debate to rest.
This observation is right on.
I remember the support for the public option was 85 percent of Democrats, 67 percent of independents and something like 49 percent of Republicans supporting a strong public option.
That it was killed was a definite statement that someone else was in charge.
It was not the vast majority of Americans.
The power brokers can get the administration and/or a couple hundred representatives in a room and tell them what to do.
The Democratic Party stopped defending us (the people who elected them). Period.
That meant everything had changed. And we can no longer deny it.
Obama LLC continued Bush the Juniors big give away to Pharma while never considering the Public Option, not even as a bargaining chip, IMO. Now he and his are warning us Dirty Fucking Hippies we’re really going to have our skivvies in a knot for FY 2013 budget. Hardly wait for another Obama to emerge and guide us for the next 4 years.
I never realized it had to be an either/or. ;)
Not only did Obama sell us out in secret. He also let proponents of the public option spend months trying to achieve something he had made impossible. Let the impeachment proceedings begin.
I’m even more cynical than you are. I think it was only included for the purposes of dealing it away. There was never any support for it in ObamaLLP.
If we had a real media, Obama would NEVER be able to avoid questions on this. The corporate media carefully avoids treading here.
Confusing to me. You’d think with all the griping Big Business emits about helth care costs, the idea that they could outsource all their health administration to the government would be very attractive.
At least Mitt ain’t lying to us about his intentions. Obama pretended to support the public option, even after he dealt it away.
Boxturtle (Don’t worry. Congress has their own health plan. They’ll be fine)
Yup. It should be spineless AND evil.
Boxturtle (I’d add in ignorant as well)
As an optimist by nature I am having a hard time. What if anything good for America can happen with this group of people running the show. I see that feudal peasant existence as a done deal at this point. The internet will be taken away in due time regardless of opposition by a majority. What other hopeful instrument of change exists. Voting isn’t an option when brainwashed drones vote for these current bastards.
You think President Biden will be any better? Or President Pelosi?
Boxturtle (I’d trade every politician in Washington for ONE statesman)
I’m not convinced Obama’s going to win. It’s going to be interesting watching him court the people he has perpetually kicked for almost his whole term. He has to have figured out by now that he can’t win without them. Romney is a fairly moderate Republican. Obama will have to play to the left of moderate. This should be fun to watch if nothing else.
“That broke a bond between the progressive movement and the political establishment that had already been fraying over the years.”
I was there after NAFTA and Glass-Steagall.
“Welcome to the party, pal!”
More evidence of how Corporations run our country. Obama is not a changer, he is a player. For those that had attacked me for calling him Mussolini, I forgive you. Now wake up and smell reality!
Very interesting indeed. What I would really like to see is a fight for paper ballots across this country with spaces for write-in candidates for every single office all the way down to city council!
Ditto, ditto and ditto. I saw that weasel Kucinich on the morning snooze today, prattling on about a bridge they need built in Cleveland. I kept hollering at the teevee “how’d ya like that ride on Air Force One?” and “what happened to your promise not to vote for the ACA without a public option.” I wish I could get my campaign donations back from him and Edwards (who is about to undergo treatment for a near fatal case of chicken heart – lucky he’s got Cadillac healthcare). /rant off
Willfully ignorant, as in “lalalalaa I can’t heeeeeear you, constituents, and I don’t read the bills before I sign on…..”
The American people haven’t been in charge for awhile. There were similar numbers opposed to telcomm immunity and FISA as well as bailouts.
Our Congress people are not listening. They’ve continually patted the American citizen upon their heads and gone about doing exactly what is in their own selfish interests.
There needs to be a system overhaul.
Everyone should take some time to remember this gem after this report
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama-never-secretly-killed-the-public-option-its-a-myth/2011/11/17/gIQAZQt0UN_blog.html
Disaffected Republicans will fill the gap left by disaffected progressives if my own relatives are anything to go by.
It still makes me sick to remember the Kos and MoveOn people going after Kucinich for his principled (though not principled enough) vote against ACA.
Is this even NEWS at this date?
I KNOW Obama sold America down the river for “health care reform”, I’m more worried about what he’ll sell next. Too bad for our country, we needed FDR and got Herbert Hoover (and that’s a bit of a slam on Hoover who was just doing the best he could in rather new territory.)
What’s got so many people pissed off is that the administration will fight their own party and supporters tooth-and-nail rather than upset the opposition by raising even the mildest objections. The only hardball played is against Democrats, not Republicans.
Obama must be a Neville Chamberlain disciple.
The operative word here is “play”. Zero is definitely a player.
What’s even more insulting is these guys and gals command six figures and a decent bennies package at OUR expense.
They’ve got the whole CEO model down to an art form.
No matter what the outcome is they end up sitting pretty.
I am organizing a new political party…the Apathy Party. Apathy now! The only freedom we will have left…the freedom to not care.
Your republican relatives would vote for Obama over Mitt? Interesting. My area which has many red folk has the whole anybody but Obama vibe. I’m not sure that Obama keeps Virginia in the blue column this go round.
O’s gonna be much worse in his second term when he does not have to worry about reelection and is beefing up his resume for speaking fees, lobbying, corp boards.
Actually, there would be some merit in having a VP become President because of impeachment, the problem is it’s impossible to pull off as a reign in corrupt politician maneuver, and would be more likely a Repub vs. Dem struggle for control. Not much traction there for real hope or change.
Now if OWS came up with a viable government change strategy, I’m going to pay attention and take action.
TWOOPH!
I’d sign up for that party but it’s just too much work. :P
/s
I disagree with this wording and its conclusion.
First, there is little or no concern, — and there is virtually no support, from the White House, or most of the Democratic caucus, — when it comes to matters related to how much providers are paid. Just look at how the Democratic caucus and White House have ignored or framed issues related to Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement to health care professionals.
Second, the issue of “clout to control how much providers [were] paid” related primarily to insurance companies. In other words, the White House did not want to “control whether skimmer industries that held price gouging, de facto, monopolies would need to face competition.”
The health care providers would still be forced to compete for their crumbs under any of the scenarios in play. The White House the Banking/Insurance controlled Congress were intent on preserving skimmer industry (i.e. insurance industry) ability to control the financial relationships between patients and providers.
Then put on your tele-ears cause they have been. They are going back to the roots with Direct Democracy.
I look forwawrd to not voting for anyone when I go to the polls in Nov. The nobles tell their serfs one thing and plot amonst themselves in private…Just like in the movie Bravehart.
“Spineless vs. Evil”
You are absolutely correct. The two are NEVER mutually exclusive.
What got traded away was the end to the mindless slaughter overseas.
This clown and his clown cohorts were elected to end the wars and bring them all home.
A funny thing happened on the way to that a 180 turn floating national health care which absorbed all the time of opportunity. The health care debate sucked all the oxygen out of any other consideration. That’s all we heard, how hard, how fought out how the “peoples president ” we elected with a democratic majority was working on this while in the end he shoved it up our ass.
And the war surged as planned.
I am a lifelong liberal-progressive…the only REAL answer is… Universal Health Care.
Obama’s fake health care bill is nothing but a giant giveaway to the Health Insurance Industry… in return for campaign contributions. It is one of if not the most corrupt pieces of legislation ever passed by our corupt government.
It mandates-forces every American to buy a product from corrupt corporations. These health insurance corporations dont give one wit about health care… all they care about is MONEY.
The Obama fake health care
reform” bill needs to be thrown out and we need to start over with REAL health care reform. It’s what the American people want… but our corrupt Democratic and Republican fake “leaders” dont want.
Both the Demmocrats and Republicans have been corrupted to the core.
This type of shit is EXACTLY why I re-registered as an Independent. I refuse to support either of the corrupt legacy partys or their fake-corrupt politicians.
“Voting isn’t an option when brainwashed drones vote for these current bastards.”
Is it braindead drones, or non-brain Diebold?
I’d object to using the word reform in the passage you cited.
I remember thinking at the time that it was only Jane’s energy at the end that was keeping the option open.
Of course we all wrote hundreds of letters –
And it was proven then that there was no connection between the public and
the option.
Heh. I keep remembering my 5 min confrontation with Hinchey, prolly summer 10. I told him HCR was nothing more than a corrupt giveaway to PhRMA, insurance corps & Ds should be ashamed of themselves. He told me I didn’t know what I was talking about. I told him I was right & he was wrong. He countered with the opposite. As the conversation had become like a kindergarten recess exchange, I walked away.
Sorry, Kucinich sold us out too… he voted for the bill.
O’s goning to campaign on HCR as his BIG accomplishment. Corp media will never mention the deal.
One reason to hope for Newt as the R nominee, is you can imagine the videos his supporters will make…
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And the optics of Kucinich’s cave were precious. Such a hang dog expression of submission to the alpha male.
YES!
Dear Jane, any thoughts about Obama throwing teenage girls under the bus to keep the bible-zombies happy?
(TB moves a safe distance from the monitor… :o) :o) :o) )
You doin’ GREAT, Hon! Le’s get ‘em. :o)
Americans pay twice as much for healthcare as any other developed country and Americans have poorer resulting health outcomes. This could only happen in a rigged, non-free, market.
This is how the healthcare debate would have went if the Democrats were not corporate whores:
In early 2009, Democrats could have told Republicans, “Private health insurance has had 60 years and the result is a product that costs twice as much and results in poorer outcomes without everyone having access to healthcare. You have two more years to demonstrate that the private health insurance is superior to single payer. If after two years, costs are not lower than those in France, outcomes are not higher than those obtained in France and if every American is not covered by health insurance, then after 62+ years of trying, we can say that private health insurance can’t compete with single payer and should be put to rest. Medicare for All will offered to every American.”
“Public Option… doesn’t mean anything. The vagueness allowed anyone to fill in the blanks….” — William Greider
“…the public option was not a cure-all. In fact, the Democrats had in reality already managed to kill the public option by watering it down to the point of near-meaninglessness.” — Matt Taibbi
“I get down on my knees every day and thank God that the PO was stripped out of the Senate bill. The only role the PO has played since June has been to give well-meaning progressives all over America the cover they needed to support legislation that throws hundreds of billions of dollars per decade at the insurance industry, the nation’s most powerful opponent of single-payer.” — Kip Sullivan
Odds of anyone asking O whether he had his daughters vaccinated? (Rhetorical Q)
Cwaltz: “I’m not convinced Obama’s going to win.
Neither am it. Some really shitty chickens yet to get in the White House landing pattern. I think Iraq is going to continue to implode. When we left, it was never going to do anything ELSE, but Obama should have been smart enough and self-interested enough, to get us out in the first three months of his term, when he had the political support and clout to fend off the republican shrieks of “Who lost Iraq?”
Getting out needed to be right up there at the top, along with a REAL healthcare reform bill. Now that he’s voluntarily spent the last three years in the GOP Spay-and-Neuter clinic and has become the GOP’s bipartisan batboy, they’re repaying him for all of his reaching out to them by cutting off his hand and scratching his ass with it.
And of course, the repubs aren’t going to let him do a damn thing to even start to turn the economy around. After he doubled John McCain’s electoral vote and came in with all of that clout, that little 1.5% reduction in unemployment (if it really exists…) looks like mighty lean pickings to the voters.
Romney’s negative association with the goat rodeo/clown car will lessen with time, and he’ll be, as Allan pointed out, a good “insurance” candidate for the corporatists. It’s definitely a win-win situation for them, but if we could flex our muscles and convince someone like Alan Grayson to primary Obama, we might just salvage something out of all this…at least, a little fear and respect from the democratic “leadership”.
Politics is just a puppet show. We need to forget about it and go straight for the ones who are pulling the strings. The Occupy movement has the right idea by going directly to the money elites.
This has thrown the puppet masters off balance and caused the producers of the political show in Washington to get sullen and sulky because nobody is paying proper attention to the big brass mask on the wall.
“Pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain!” The dog was the only one who had the sense to go for the truth.
At issue is not whether you will ever forget, it’s when you will respond.
Could have… should have… might have… wish they would have…
But they didn’t… they’re crooks and liars.
eCahn, I think getting close enough to Obama to do that involves being certified at knowing which questions NOT to ask.
BTW, what happened to the idea of a good, free-wheeling preznintial presser now and then, with some shitty questions being tossed at the prez?
I know, after his monumental fuckups, Bush made a cottage industry of ducking them, but Obama is hunkering at least as much, looks to me.
Even better and more descriptive.
I thought the same thing but I thought his family was out of bounds, not to the virus only public attacks.
Obama will make some florid speeches, kiss some babies, and avoid talking about his hippie punching ways. The Republicans seem unable to stop drowning in their idealogical zeal. Romney is a living, breathing example of what they think of as a leader. Obama couldn’t lose if he didn’t say a word. Because of this, it’s hard not to see this as orchestrated to culminate in an Obama victory, which gives them someone to vilify for the next 4 years.
They know there’s no way out of the financial morass, so why not have someone to blame?
Oh look, cause and effect in action. I traded my vote for Obama in 2012 away to anyone but him!
The people’s president earns his second term and he didn’t !
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
I thought about that. Only O made teen girls vaccination a political issue so I think that should put the issue of his own family’s behavior in play.
But as I said, it’s a rhetorical Q so no point in thrashing it about.
Lame lame lame attempt to rewrite history.
The strangling of the public option in the crib was reported by Matt Taibbi, and there were articles in the Washington Post and on the Huffington Post and it was confirmed in the Daschle book as well.
I think there were five committees that reported out healthcare bills – every one of them included the public option except for surprise! surprise the Senate Finance Committee where Baucus was the henchman in charge with the White House to make sure that the already secretly dead PO was not a part of this version, declared by all to be the definitive one. I remember distinctly how Schumer twisted himself into complete pretzels to try to craft something that was called a public option but in no way functioned as an actual public option. Blanche Lincoln became the designated hitwoman and was rewarded by Obama personally campaigning for her in Arkansas- the woman who supposedly destroyed the lynchpin of real healthcare reform. Massive punishment, wasn’t it?
Remember that Rahm later CROWED about how they “preserved private delivery of healthcare”. Remember that Rahm’s brother Zeke was the official White House liason for healthcare and that he is the guy who came up with the concept of vouchers for Medicare years ago.
It’s the mendacity and the duplicity that I can’t forgive the Obama administration for. My greatest hope is always that in some forum somewhere someone will ask President Obama point blank – “Why did you pretend that the public option still had a chance long after you knew that you or your administration had dealt it away as a bargaining chip to the healthcare industry?”
And yes, I will never forget the betrayal and that’s when I knew that the Democrats are just as dreadful as the Republicans who don’t bother trying to pretend they are your friends and protectors. Later confirmed when President Obama couldn’t wait to prove his conservative bona fides by rushing to be the first to offer to put Medicare and Social Security on the austerity chopping block.
I doubt very seriously whether I will ever be able to vote for a Democrat again. I prefer to get Republican policies and legislation from Republicans.
Yes! That is exactly what we need.
You make the mistake of believing that the corrupt political partys politicians actually have ideological views. THEY DON’T.
The only purpose of these scoundrels is to serve and protect their corruptors. Any fake ideas they have are just that… fake political theater.
All ideology expressed by these frauds-actors will be sold out in a heart beat… including the common good of the country and the American people.
“Confusing to me. You’d think with all the griping Big Business emits about health care costs, the idea that they could outsource all their health administration to the government would be very attractive.”
Exactly. I don’t get it either. I believe corporations bitch about health insurance costs, but would rather pay those costs than have to raise the worker bee’s salary, since those costs must be tax-deductible in some manner.
I also believe corporations like to control the worker bee by holding the “benefits” carrot over the bee’s head. Imagine if the worker bee could move to a better company with a better salary and not worry about health insurance. Then corporations would have to pay a decent wage since the playing field would be leveled based on salary only (I’m a big believer in getting rid of all work-based non-salary benefits and paying a much higher salary).
The US will never have single-payer. It makes too much sense and would save too much money, and more importantly – lives. Amerika doesn’t like to save lives and live in peace, the Empire likes to kill and live in death, destruction and turmoil.
We also need to overhaul the pay and benefits of elected officials – our tax base can no longer afford all this money – the benefits once out of office must end.
If someone wants a link to Jane’s thoughts on this, from back in the day (August 2009), here you go:
I’ve seen nothing in the last two and a half years to make me doubt that Jane was right, and more and more that suggests she was absolutely correct.
“It mandates-forces every American to buy a product from corrupt corporations. These health insurance corporations dont give one wit about health care… all they care about is MONEY.”
That is fascism – government working hand in hand/regulating/legislating for private corporate benefit. People call Obamacare socialism, that is so wrong. It’s fascism, pure and simple. There’s only on socialist item allowed in America: public schools, there will never be another: universal health care.
For some reason, as a society we once cared about the children and the benefit of education, yet we can’t care about every single citizen and the benefit of health.
Screwed up.
Yes. Big Bidness don’t want no Public Option bc it will permit the
enslavedserfs to not have the fear of no/inadequate health care. Big bidness can & does pass on the exhorbitent health care “insurance” costs to theenslavedserfs in whatever fashion they can: whether it’s by directlybilkingbilling the worker for their hugely costly “health care insurance” or by paying the workers less in order to cover the health “insurance” scam.USA Big Bidness is all about grinding the
enslavedserfs under and keeping us all in as much FEAR as possible. The end.I had grave doubts but pulled the lever for Obama. Once he got in and announced Rahm as his COS, I knew we were FUCKED big-time. And I figured that any “talk” about a Public Option was just that: TALK.
Talk is cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap. Money walks.
Obama isn’t spineless in the slightest. He’s a made man and very very PROUD of himself… just like W before him.
I was referring to the voters, which I thought was obvious. My bad.
Bottom line: Obama is a shoe-in. It’s not what I want, but who’s listening to the voice of reason? The outright ignorance of the American voter is what caused our current mess. George W. Bush. Really?
Just for fun – an old Rahm/Obama tapdance http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/obama-overrides-aide-on-health-insurance-public-option/
I may be completely wrong, but I can’t see how Obama can win again. I think he is just going through the motions for his masters. Obama’s has lost a lot of the left flank, centrist independents don’t like him and the Republicans will be out in force. Blacks and other minorities will not turnout at the 2008 levels regardless of the vote percentages. The jackass polsters refuse to release “likely voter” data and even without it Romney and Obama are tied. Democratic voters are dispirited while Republicans are more motivated. Furthermore, I believe the “Bradley Effect” will be a factor in polling as the the first black president turns out to be a lazy lying con man and blacks themselves have shown to be euphoricly delusional. Furthermore, practically every national election lately has been a disaster for Democratic Party politicians.
I predict Romney, Republican Senate, Republican House (or barely Democratic), and, of course, Republican Supreme Court.
Wow! spot on.
It’s now after the fight that these creeps come out in camouflage bravery.
Kirsch knew at the time of the fight & chose to provide cover for Obama & the Healthcare lobby.
Why would anyone reward this creep by purchasing his book….
The Public Option got traded away because because Obama didn’t want it. He is a center-right conservative. He has governed consistently as a center-right conservative. He will continue to govern as a center-right conservative when he gets reelected. This should not come as a surprise.
And that’s why I love you.
Neither will I.
“this should not come as a surprise.”
Why shouldn’t it?
In 2002, just as Hillary was voting for Bush’s war, and the rest of the country was drinking the koolaid, Obama gave a courageous speech against the invasion.
In his campaign, he promised to walk the line with union members…
He promised to protect Florida’s coast from offshore drilling…
He promised us a public option in any healthcare reform bill…
In short, the man ran as a clear progressive alternative to the corporatists that had been in office. Saying that it should be no surprise when he turned out to be one of them, himself, makes no sense. A shitload of americans were surprised and disgusted when it happened, and we should be.
You are faster than I am. It required the hiring of Geithner and Summers for me to smell the BS.
Do you see much of a difference between Obama and Romney?
I won’t hold my breath waiting for a mea culpa from the concern trolls who attacked Jane Hamsher and the “firebaggers”
Nope, not on issues I now care about (economics). Except, of course, Obama who is supposed to be on the side of the people, lied to and betrayed me while Romney, being a Republican ratbastard, has not (Republicans are expected to represent the rich and screw over the rest).
“…while Romney, being a Republican ratbastard, has not.”
I just realized, that statement is sad, funny, and accurate, all at the same time. Triple play!
It’s both hilarious and disheartening that the putative left is still upset about losing the head-fake known as the public option. Great quotes.
Single payer and the public option were never more than campaign promises, along with government transparency.
But..but…Obama’s a DEMOCRAT! And he has such an inspiring life story! Surely someone like that wouldn’t sell us out, would he? Why, just look at this video of Americans who are willing to vouch for him!:
http://bit.ly/wRokeX
Geez, imagine how fucked up this country would be if Obama actually was a socialist!
Using that label for him comforts the right wing because when the teabagger supporters hear socialism they’ll associate it with Barry.
More people need to know the history of this country, especially the history of the labor movement and the threat a vibrant workers’ party presented to the oligarchs and still presents today. That’s why the media is trying to move away from the rich-poor argument currently being voiced by the Occupy movement. The more the truth is out there, the more threatened the 1% is.
So, I’m not voting Democratic this time except for Elizabeth Warren. Who can I vote for in the other races? We need a People’s party.
Your memory is fantastic – mine recalled much but nowadays without the detail.
Thanks for posting this and reminding us.
I have been responding to all the DNC calls to work/contribute this round with a comment that when I see Obama beg forgiveness for selling out the public option I’ll be on the phones eating and the cold pizza (they feed us in Mass).
Remember Jason Rosenbaum, the HCAN operative who used to come here and shill for the plan, and tell us it was all good.
Remember how he got torched with criticism and finally ran away with his tail between his legs.
Wonder what he’s saying about this new book from his boss? (Not that I really care.)
You may want to check on Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party for President. You’ll have to hurry because Obama will probably disappear him after NDAA goes into effect in March.
Besides a difference in complexion, Obama’s designation as a “D” allows him greater latitude to destroy the safety net, go to war and despoil the environment without the scrutiny that would accompany an “R” proposing the same policies.
Is not the lack of organized response to Obama’s perfidy at least as depressing as Obama’s perfidy, itself?
How many of your neighbors know about Obama’s backstabbing wrt ACA?
Should we wait upon the Veal Pen to lead the charge in educating the unwashed masses about the corruption of the Democrats?
Meanwhile, Occupy Wall Street had months to issue a condemnation of both the Democratic and Republican parties for their roles in doing away with Glass Steagall, via Gramm Leach Bliley. But this no-brainer was beyond their capacity, apparently.
Let’s review the options for exposing the unwashed, unblogged masses to the fuller extent of White House duplicity:
Obama .. Nope
Congress .. Nope*
Veal Pen … Nope
Occupy WS … Nope
OK, here’s the 64 dollar question: Who does that leave?
* the Republicans’ criticism of ACA cannot offend their corporate/healthcare sponsors; hence, the talk of socialism, death panels, etc.
Yes, and I’m glad to see Jane saying JR’s old boss doesn’t get to reinvent himself. Progressives will never forget is correct, and more than any other single issue, this was the one that first got firepups seriously talking about not supporting Obama in 2012, and more broadly, aboutthe absolutely uselessness of the Democrats at the national level.
Spot on -
The only provider price they worried about were for-profit hospital room charges not being affected and drug prices being set wherever the compasny wished to set them.
Actual care provider prices – which are a reflection of folks trying to pay off student loans in the only country that makes health care professionals take on $200,000 in loans before they start – were not a concern because they did not want to upset the finance industry built around student loans and Bush’s 2005 law on “you owe the loan until the grave because you can not discharge in bankrupcy”.
It’s already too late, holeybuybull. Rocky and Justice will not make the CA ballot, and his (largely clueless) organization still seems to think he should be atop a coalition ticket with the Greens, if that coalition comes to pass. I think that’s going to be a very hard sell to the Greens – and without their ballot lines, an Anderson candidacy in the General will be no more successful than his ballot access drive was in California.
He’d have been much smarter to run as an Indie this time and launch the party after the election, giving it a full four years to organize and grow before the next cycle.
Jill Stein.
“Why shouldn’t it?”(be a surprise that Obama is right wing, not even center” ,,,, – well
Nuances were indeed ignored, except by the 18 million that voted for Hillary
While we did have the Hillary 2002 war vote was after Bush told Congress the “secret” that he had intel on the atomic work that was going out to terrorists soon, we did indeed have Obama, as an unknown state senator, give a speech to a lunch crowd against the invasion. Very brave.
Lunch pail workers lined up behind Hillary – and are still there, as Obama did indeed promised to walk the line with union members… it is just many did not believe him as he had never done so before.
He did promised to protect Florida’s coast from offshore drilling…but the state was already governed by those making the same promise.
He promised us a public option in any healthcare reform bill…but Hillary had already fought the insurance companies – and no one could recall Obama fighting any company – indeed those of us in the 93 fight knew that the only voice for single payer back then was Hillary – as later extremely briefly noted, and noted was Bill’s opposition, in her book..
Yes, the man ran as a clear progressive alternative to the corporatists that had been in office – via spokespersons telling us how the DLC was all one shade of evil – so Hillary could not just be “not against Business”, she must have sold out, ignoring Obama’s DLC connections.
I wanted to believe Hillary when she asked her supporters to vote for Obama because it was important to have a Democrat as President – I’ve since decided I – and Hillary – were wrong.
But I must admit I was and am surprised how far right wing he turned out to be. So in many ways I agree with you.
No matter – in 2012 Hillary is not the issue – indeed there is no issue – and no reason – to vote the President line (I won’t vote for the GOP – but then I won’t vote for Obama).
And that is the problem with an “umbrella” organization. As soon as leadership is established..it can be compromised.
I will never forgive the Obama administration. We have experienced devastating policy from him.. and that is what counts. No democracy in that leadership. They did not just dump on progressives- they dumped on all of his proper populist support. Unforgivable. These are American families they screwed-assholes.
Protest vote it is.
Well, thanks for the assessment, but I have to point out that not just Hillary’s vote for Bush’s bloody shitmire, but her continued support for it after it had been utterly exposed as a cruel, monumentally wrong, lie, were anything but nuanced, as was HER smooching rightwing ass. Since she was stupid enough to think that she could do that and still hang onto her liberal support and get to the White House, we were able to dump her before she got the nomination.
Obama pretty much sustained the myth about being a progressive until he’d capitalized on it. No points for Hillary by her cozying up to the shits, as she ran, in my opinion.
The main thing that needs to come out of this, in fact about all we have left, is to show everyone that if you kiss up to the people who’ve created the mess we’re in, whether it’s pre-election or post-election, progressives will make you pay a political price for doing it.
We really need to find someone willing to primary Mr. Centrist.
Me three.
Isn’t it a little late in the day for that?
Rocky Anderson for President!
Wow. A grand plan all along.. Obama hands it back to the rightful party of business. After totally trashing the Democrat platform and party. Wow.
As if Hillary’s not a shill for Wal-Mart, the defense industry, the banks, etc., etc. She’s more of a hawk than Obama and takes pride in neoliberal policies. Both of the Clintons should be exposed and banned from leadership positions.
Big vicious rabid feral Rats.
spot on,excellent points. since voting results are unvarifiable who knows what is going on…. if voting was effective it would be illegal….
name one liberal who has gone after blow job billy for signing off on glass-stiegal’s repeal. how much damage was done to the country by that piece of white trash?
Internet won’t be taken away, it’s become too important to big business. It’ll just be crippled for the peons.
washington post and new york times no likee peons finding news on internet. it kills their ability to lie and propogandize Boycott bad media companies-vote with your $$$$
” Voting is the opium of the masses “. Emma Goldman
Primary… are you kidding me ?
Whoever primaried Obama would be just as corrupt as he is. This is the kind of mamby pamby weak ass shit thinking that has to stop.
Worshipers of the corrupt Democratic party are all alike. You fear REAL change.
I don’t disagree with anything in your article but the headline is quite misleading….
The head of HCAN was not an “insider”.
An “insider” would have been someone working for Obama.
I’m going to the polls to vote for the proposals and admendments, but not voting for any dem (or repub). They make private deals with the devil (people who run/manage a biz or corp)in the shadows. When we hear “this pol has blah campaign dollars” we should be asking the nominees “who gave you money and what did you promise them”.
I decided at 1 1/2 yrs into O’s presidency not to vote for him and in the time since decided not to vote for the others that put this country in this mess. I believe there are consquences to ones actions.
Hey raybeck, your definition of insider is absurd .Real insiders are the the ones for whom Obama works.A general definition would be those with direct access to policy formation inside the power loop .HCAN was inside that loop as a p/o rep.and betrayed its constituents by capitulating to power-elites who despised a real p/o .Thus ,contrary to his duty of standing for something ,Kirsch went for anything with his tail tucked up his ass .Obama won the battle but in the process made himself a one-term president under whom not a finger has been lifted to give economic relief and entitlement security tin this depression .
Worked for Bubba, didn’t it? He eviscerated welfare, pushed through NAFTA, GATT, and signed off on the repeal of Glass-Stegall, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraki women and children, committed war crimes through NATO in the Balkans, and helped to impoverish the American middle class by allowing the tech bubble to inflate and burst in March 2000.
Whichever Democrat got into office, Social Security was going to be the bullseye and the Republicans could sit back and eat their popcorn while their opposite numbers fucked over working people while pretending to be their defenders.
It’s truly amazing how everyone just whistles past the meaninglessness of “public option” and the mysterious way it became the coin of the realm in prog-land.
Really? 2+ years and STILL the obsession over the “Public Option”?
Good grief.
No wonder conservative activists are such much better and more effective at actually WINNING!!
No obsession. Just re-register independent and vote for Gus Hall. Or somebody.
There is no such thing as winning for progressives under the current, bought and paid for, election system. They’re all whores, except the (very few) exceptions who prove the rule. Money talks, bullshit walks.
Good grief, you’re on the wrong blog. So…walk.
Right. But we’re talking about the furthest toward a real reform that Barry said he would go, not what everyone knows should have, needs to, and in every reasonable and enlightened developed country has, happen(ed). Single payer advocates were shut out from the outset despite incredible support from the public in numerous polls. Which, like a raft of other early decisions, proved that Barry was a sell-out from the start, not bludgeoned into being a sell-out as KOS, Yglesias and their ilk have at various times argued.
It’s just kind of weird that at this late date, virtually no one will admit that “public option” meant no fixed thing. No set concept of how many people it would cover (Obama indicated under 5%, possibly much lower), and how in such a corrupted environment it would be allowed to be meaningfully competitive with for-profit insurance. The details didn’t matter, because a bunch of professional lefties went all in for something, anything, that could be called “public option,” regardless of any benefits for average Americans and regardless of how aggressively they marginalized single-payer advocates.
Dayen and company see betrayal in what the Democrats did (and I won’t argue with that). But what about what the big bloggers and advocacy organizations who suddenly and imperiously decided this wafty “plan” was the only game in town, rather than pushing for something, y’know, that would actually solve the problems if enacted?
I guess it was decided that it was ok to “pre-compromise” on single payer, but not on the public option, since that decision was made before the talks began. Call it giving Barry the benefit of the doubt? I also agree that the public option was beyond nebulous. It was described very differently at different times by different people and things got really bizarre when the discussion got around to how it was eventually going to lead inevitably to single payer.
I guess the point of this discussion is that Barry and the Dreamers sold everyone out, no matter where on the slippery slope you pounded you piton in.
Maybe it got traded away because the White House believed that it ultimately could not get the votes.
Of course given that the ACA was ultimately passed via reconciliation (a tactic that VSP’s everywhere insisted to us DFH’s was not possible…until they did it), the “ultimately could not get the votes” excuse doesn’t really hold water. An excuse is all it was. That’s all it ever was.
Yes, Google bucks didn’t hurt. I’m afraid people are drawing a false lesson over SOPA. Activism of the people didn’t seem to have that large an effect. It wasn’t until some big money corporations that were also opposed came to the party that anyone in government seemed to be swayed.
California.
That’s why I said ‘not principled enough.’
Hmmmmm:
Obama secured the nomination in early June 2008. So summer 2008 seems a bit early to be dealing away the public option.
I vaguely recall you reporting on such a deal in June 2009, and I did find a link to this August 19, 2009 article by you, which refers to such dealings:
In any case, your reporting on this matter was months and years ahead of the rest of the press.
“It was decided” is the rub. Where was it decided and how?
How is it that the top tier prog bloggers and activist groups rallied around the wafty “public option” agenda?
What was the process? Was anyone bankrolling incentives?
And why will practically no one, even at this late date, admit what an undefined nothingburger “public option” was and remains?
Just a guess, but I would suppose it was a combination of $ to lobby for the nothingburger, and also someone reaching out from the WH to make the bloggers “part of the debate” (co-opting). The rest just sort of piled on via the echo chamber effect.
And what should have been a learning experience hasn’t been.
Yes, indeed.
It’s been so long since I read that Bruce Dixon post that I forgot about it. Well, at least I have the argument ingrained into my memory (well, mostly, I think).
Black Agenda Report should be required reading.
I caught an interview with Rocky Anderson on the Norman Goldman radio show a couple of weeks ago (Adam something or other was guest-hosting) and was supremely unimpressed.
Anderson has politician-speak down, almost as well as Obama and the big boys and girls in Washington. You really can’t tell what his positions really are. He talked mostly on illegal immigration and gave no clue at all what he actually supports doing.
After that interview, I looked him up online to see how someone running as an alternative to the fork-tongued politicians could have mastered double-speak and come off, to me, sounding just as deceitful as those he’s running against. He’s a lawyer (GW Law) and politician (run for Congress in 1996) and a two-term mayor (Salt Lake City).
Even if he were to share all of my leftist positions on the issues, since it’s extremely unlikely he’d win the presidency, the coyness of political-speak, aka lawyer-speak, isn’t what we need right now out of an alternative candidate. We need somebody who tells it straight, who leaves no room for doubt on his position as a champion of the left.
IMHO.
I share Jane Hamsher’s contention that the public option was traded away very early, possibly as soon as he secured the nomination. Before elections is when these deals get made. Before elections, like now. To see Obama’s (or a Republican president’s) plans for after 2012, look at who is contributing to him. Where the big money is. Look at what those big donors’ positions on the issues are.
But I digress.
I realized that Obama had traded away a public option when single payer was taken off the table before negotiations ever began and its advocates were barred from the debate. Because single payer was threat you always had to keep front and center, if you expected the principals to negotiate in good faith.
The only reason that sincere consumer advocates would have to take single payer off the table was if they had no intention of fulfilling a commitment to a public option.