It’s a sad commentary on our media that the President had to answer questions yesterday about drones for the first time, and the questions didn’t come at a White House press briefing or major print interview, but in a virtual YouTube town hall with members of the public. FDL’s Kevin Gosztola covered this at The Dissenter last night, but there’s more to say about the disconnect between the concerns of the media and the concerns of ordinary Americans in that.
But let’s actually move on to the substance, which occurred at around 26:00 of the Q&A. Obama was asked about drone strikes in Pakistan, and per the LA Times, he had this to say:
President Obama offered a vigorous defense of using unmanned aircraft to kill Al Qaeda operatives and other militants in Pakistan’s tribal areas and, in the process, officially acknowledged the highly classified CIA drone program that U.S. officials had refused to discuss in public until now.
“I think that we have to be judicious in how we use drones,” Obama said Monday, adding that they have been used for “very precise, precision strikes against Al Qaeda and their affiliates.”
Obama went on to say that “obviously a lot of these strikes have been in the FATA,” the acronym for Pakistan’s federally administered tribal areas, and for “going after Al Qaeda suspects who are in very tough terrain along the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.”
“This thing is kept on a very tight leash,” Obama said. The U.S. does not use drones “willy-nilly” but in a way that avoids more intrusive military actions.
The truth is that we don’t have much to go on here; it’s very much a “trust me” answer. If we tried to get more specific information about that tight leash and how drone strikes are authorized, we’d hear that the executive branch must keep its state secrets and not reveal sources and methods.
In fact, just a day before this answer, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta revealed new information about assassinations of American citizens using the drone program, stating that the President personally signs off on the attacks after receiving recommendations from national security officials. Previous statements declared that the President didn’t have specific final say over the strikes. He’s been in office three years and we’re just learning some of the details.
Panetta’s justification, by the way, was a mess:
PANETTA: Without getting into the specifics of the operation, if someone is a citizen of the United States, and is a terrorist, who wants to attack our people and kill Americans, in my book that person is a terrorist. And the reality is that under our laws, that person is a terrorist [...]
PELLEY: They’re not entitled to due process of law under the Constitution of the United States? They lose their citizenship if this administration decides they’re a terrorist?
PANETTA: If this person wanted to suddenly raise questions about whether or not they’re a terrorist, and they were to return to the United States of course they would be entitled to due process. that’s something we provide any US citizen. And for that matter frankly any terrorist who is arrested, we provide due process to that individual as well. But if a terrorist is out there on the battlefield, and the terrorist is threatening this country, that person is an enemy combatant, and when an enemy combatant holds a gun at your head, you fire back.
The “battlefield,” of course, is defined as the entire world, including Yemen, the site of a drone strike just yesterday. And Panetta’s legal argument for targeting US citizens amounts to “if they’re a terrorist, then they’re a terrorist.”
The use of drones for surveillance has also become an issue violating the sovereignty of foreign nations. We see this being used now in Iraq, to the dismay of the ruling government. Obama said that their drone surveillance planes couldn’t even get fitted for weapons, so there’s nothing to worry about, as if panopticon-like spying on a sovereign nation is a non-issue.
Thirteen people died in that Yemeni drone strike, by the way, and “at least four” were considered Al Qaeda. Up to nine of the others were just collateral damage, despite the precise, judicious, careful targeting asserted by the President. And we in fact know that hundreds of civilians have died at the hands of drones over the past few years, regardless of whether our government will admit to it. This violates international law, I thought I’d poke my head up to say.
Clearly the policy dynamic has moved toward wider use of drones, a more antiseptic policy that doesn’t involve providing ground troops or having to go through that messy Congressional oversight. Obama fully acknowledged this yesterday. “For us to be able to get them in another way would involve probably a lot more intrusive military action than the ones we’re already engaging in,” he said. In other words, this is the new American way of war, the covert over the overt. And considering that core Al Qaeda is already decimated, I guess we won’t know who the drone strikes target next. That’s on a need-to-know basis. Maybe for the next virtual town hall.




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Many thanks for this, David.
More news from the (potential) war front. Clapper’s at it again.
U.S. officials see increasing threat of domestic attack from Iran
“Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper said that a failed 2011 plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States in Washington has convinced U.S. intelligence officials that the leaders of the Iranian government are increasingly likely to support attacks on U.S. soil.”
LINK.
They can’t be that stupid. Obama is just lying in the same disgusting tradition as the last president.
But, who can they imagine would actually believe them?
This is very disturbing. Is it just me or is this the kind of shit that dick Cheney would be doing/saying?????
We killed thirteen people in order to “eliminate” four “alleged terrorists????
I wonder what it was like living in Europe back in the middle ages when the powerful Magnates could torture and kill anyone they wanted to. It must have been very easy for them since they thought they were above the law or they made the law. Glad I live in a Constitutional Democracy under the rule of law and where freedom isn’t just a word.
Remember when “alleged” meant you “might” be guilty.
Obama is scarier than Bush at this point.
I wish I could disagree. I’m just really disenchanted with Obama. If he MAKES me vote for Romney I’ll never forgive him.
“Targeted assassinations violate well-established principles of international law. Also called political assassinations, they are extrajudicial executions. These are unlawful and deliberate killings carried out by order of, or with the acquiescence of, a government, outside any judicial framework.
“Extrajudicial executions are unlawful, even in armed conflict. In a 1998 report, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions noted that “extrajudicial executions can never be justified under any circumstances, not even in time of war.” The U.N. General Assembly and Human Rights Commission, as well as Amnesty International, have all condemned extrajudicial executions.”
http://www.marjoriecohn.com/2011/05/targeted-assassination-of-osama-bin.html
“Fortunately”, we don’t pay much attention to what the U.N. says. /s
He has lots to say about drones, but he ignores all questions about weed.
Stated in the last thread but worth repeating. Obama deserves nothing but contempt. Nothing he says from this point on is relevant.
Solution;
Make everyone a millionaire on planet earth.
$1,000,000.00 x 6,500,000,000 = $6,500,000,000,000,000.00 that is $6.5 QN
Some conditions maintain creativity.
Why should a busboy get paid less than the president they both have dirty jobs.
OK then no drones necessary!
Hell, we don’t even honor the international Treaties and Conventions to which we’re signatories. Of course if the rest of the world paid any attention to US history, they’d know that the word of the USA is only a matter of convenience. Just ask any Native Americans still alive.
Nothing that has come out of his mouth since his passionate Senate speech in opposition to retroactive telecom immunity, prior to his pro vote, is relevant. The fact that he requested Joe “Israel” Lieberman as his mentor was a monumental tell.
No one is making you vote for evil, whether it is the “greater” or “lesser”. Not voting is also a choice.
The genie is out of the bottle. What are they going to do when someone starts using drones on us?
This sounds pretty scary – you’re entitled to your Constitutional rights unless we decide to kill you first. Aside from the issue of how can someone be both a soldier and terrorist, how can the US not be a battlefield by their own logic?…Wouldn’t the US be the frontlines of the battlefield by their logic? There’s Constitutional protections for US citizens accused of treasonous acts just as there is a distinction between criminal allegations (being a terrorist) and being a soldier (being an enemy combatant). Also by this logic that a US citizen loses their rights once they leave US soil, doesn’t this logic mean that there could be drone strike on Roman Polanksi or anyone else the US accuses of a criminal act who is outside of US soil?
US exceptionalism
They already are, and the cops are even discussing using them in public.
He was irrelevant to me when he screwed us on FISA.