What I couldn’t understand about Eric Schneiderman’s lawsuit against MERS and three banks today is how it could possibly square with any settlement on foreclosure fraud. These are precisely the same issues, after all. The settlement would cover robo-signing and other falsified documents, and the lawsuit seeks damages, through MERS, over robo-signing and other falsified documents. So what gives?
The answer is, according to what I’ve learned, is that it’s a carve-out. Schneiderman can pursue this case and also theoretically join a settlement. This may or may not be true of other cases with other AGs. The timing of Illinois’ lawsuit against Nationwide Title Clearing yesterday seems significant in that regard; perhaps Lisa Madigan also secured a carve-out for her case. It’s plausible to think that AGs are being told to get out their lawsuits now, prior to a settlement, and they would be allowed in the event of a settlement. Schneiderman still hasn’t agreed to the settlement, but in the event that he does, the case dropped today would be able to go forward.
So this makes me wonder why banks would agree to a settlement, then. They must be truly desperate to start the foreclosure machine in states which will not get a carve-out, if they can’t stop New York, Illinois and other states from these lawsuits.
Additionally, private label mortgage backed securities investors have begun to make noise against a settlement, seeing that they would essentially be paying for the banks’ misdeeds.
The state Attorneys General, federal agencies, and certain mortgage servicers have worked for approximately one year on developing a solution to address our national foreclosure crisis. The time now may be nearing for a settlement of claims of alleged wrongdoing by servicers. AMI and mortgage investors have neither been involved in the negotiations nor are aware of the ultimate settlement terms. In anticipation of a possible settlement, however, AMI cautions these negotiators not to rush into a settlement, but rather work to get a properly constructed settlement that helps distressed homeowners with the right solutions. “Investors in mortgage trusts, such as unions and pensions, do not service these loans and certainly did not create these woes for borrowers. The use of mortgage trust money (from pensions funds, unions and charities) to settle the investigation is tantamount to a bank bail-out. We expect that principal modifications of private mortgages made to satisfy any kind of settlement will involve only mortgages held by the settling parties and that the criteria for all additional principal modifications be firmly established,” explained Chris Katopis, AMI’s Executive Director.
AMI would only support such a resulting settlement, if any, if appropriately designed to address such alleged wrongdoing while not implicating innocent parties. AMI is on-record as supporting long-term, effective, sustainable solutions to the housing foreclosure crisis. It is generally supportive of a settlement if it ensures that responsible borrowers are treated fairly throughout the foreclosure process; while at the same time providing clarity as to investor rights and servicer responsibilities. The settlement should be designed in a way that ensures that investors, who were not involved in the alleged activities and, who likewise were not a participant in any negotiations, do not bear the cost of the settlement. Specifically, mortgage servicers should not receive credit for modifying mortgages held by third parties, which are often pension plans, 401K plans, endowments and “Main Street” mutual funds. To do otherwise, will damage the RMBS markets further and limit the ability of average Americans to obtain credit for homes for generations to come.
More noise is being made about the other issues with the settlement. As Loren Berlin and D.M. Levine write, the restitution for homeowners does not look adequate. Relief would go more, based on the terms of the settlement, to homeowners with more equity and larger homes, upending the expectations of who actually needs help. And questions remain about the enforcement and the monitoring committee.
But with this massive carve-out – questioning the private mortgage registry system for the third-largest state in the country – I don’t see why banks would feel like they cleared any kind of hurdle in agreeing to a settlement.



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Another possible reason for these latest suits could be to put pressure on the banks to sweeten the settlement to an amount closer to the actual damages the banks would face in court.
Thank you, DDay, for this update.
Those Attorneys General of states which do not pursue a “carve-out” certainly run the very real risk of appearing stupid, complacent, or brazenly complicit.
The apparent hubris of the political class … federal, state, and local … is simply astounding.
“The people” may well not be inclined to forgive and forget, nor should they.
DW
How to contact Kamala Harris, CA AG
Mail Attorney General’s Office
California Department of Justice
Attn: Public Inquiry Unit
P.O. Box 944255
Sacramento, CA 94244-2550
email http://ag.ca.gov/contact/complaint_form.php?cmplt=PL
Voice: (916) 322-3360 or
(Toll-free in California)
(800) 952-5225
Fax: (916) 323-5341
AG Harris may be constrained in dealings with BofA by a prior settlement with Countrywide in 2008, unless her office can show the agreement was abrogated by Countrywide/BofA per new Bloomberg article: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-03/california-s-solo-mortgage-probe-complicated-by-2008-deal.html
Thanks, Arbusto. That certainly adds more urgency to comment #3.
As if those AGs don’t already appear stupid, complacent and brazenly complicit already? Thank you for a giggle on a somewhat chilly and dreary day!
That needs fleshing out, please. If possible by Sunday evening (“before the markets open in Asia! hurry!”)
Yves Smith* is linking to your post above in her update near the bottom of this post. What needs fleshing out is what does “carve-out” mean? And who says it is a “carve-out?”
Carve-out is not a legal term in litigation; it may be a term of art in contract negotiation (thus, in the settlement talks).
We have used the term “grandfathering” here to refer to litigation that will remain active even if a multi-state deal is reached. Is “carve-out” just another word for “grandfathered?”
But who is agreeing to carve, and what exactly is being carved? Did the three bank defendants agree NY AG could sue at the same time as imposing settlement terms for the same conduct? Does the multi-state deal include a specific clause allowing “carve-outs?”
*I usually have a bone to pick with Yves’s quibbling over tactics she assumes the litigants will need to pursue. In this case, as usual, I think she distracts from her key points by wandering off into suggestions that the discovery burdens will be daunting for the AG’s office. That defies common sense; the case was filed by the AG for, as a poster said above, the third largest state in the country. They can handle obtaining & examining MERS filings & bank documents. The complaint is replete with citations to depositions given recently by BAC executives to the U.S. Trustee (bankruptcy court). Discovery won’t be insurmountable.
Heretofore, chicagogal, the attorneys general might, in some cases, have been able to claim some “confusion”, now however, even the most unreasonable doubters among “the people” must be perceived as having both truth and merit on their side, leaving the “reluctant” ay gees with little to say and much egg on their pompously fatuous faces.
;~DW
Wassup with Kamala? What are the last several cases her office filed against banks or mortgage servicers? Should be highlights on her home page.
Well, yes, the notion of a carve-out raises all of these questions and more. My assumption from my reporting is that the leaders of the investigation at the state and federal level – HUD, DoJ, the Iowa AG – agreed to carve. I don’t know if the banks agreed as well. Their next move will tell that tale. It may be similar to grandfathering, yes.
Maybe I should have asked “who” will get carved? Maybe if NY AG is allowed to maintain the new action against MERS and three of the banks & their captive servicers, the 1,800 NY homeowners who may benefit most directly from remedies in the NY case will get “carved” out of the multi-state settlement? In which case, their “slice” of the pie of mortgage principal reductions or monetary relief would be given to other homeowners.
Or, worse from the banks’ perspective, but better from ours, the whole state of NY might get “carved out” of the multi-state settlement.
I didn’t have time to check Bloomberg until just now. They posted this story on Schneiderman’s new action at 3:20 pm today.
The real carve-out in this suit is the ability for Schneiderman to pretend he’s doing something for the consumer while he’s really selling out.
NYT ran this Reuters wire story at 2:46 pm.
Neither Reuters nor Bloomberg explained the possible impact of the new action on the pending multi-state deal. None of the banks would comment to either outlet. MERS told both outlets that the action is baseless and it would fight the case.
We are working with facts & evidence over here. We need help with some facts that might show what or how or who he is selling out or at what price.
If Dday’s sources are correct, the new lawsuit is proof that he is not selling out.
My guess is, when all is said and done, one of two things will happen:
a) Schneiderman will be “blindsided” by a court ruling that some “obscure” parsed phrase in the settlement deal really did actually, you know, release liability on this suit. Eric the Sellout with be flabbergasted, and oh, sooo upset, but “sorry, did the best I could”.
b) Somehow this will be subsumed by a DOJ RICO suit that will end up going nowhere.
Let’s face it: Schneiderman didn’t get to sit up in Obama’s box at the SOTU unless he sold out. He knew the optics, and so did Obama.
Besides, if you caught it on Schneiderman’s MSNBC appearance, he mentioned that prior to becoming AG he “spent 15 years working for financial institutions on Wall Street”. From whence he came, so shall he (someday) return. (And in the interim, the FIRE sector will be a welcome source of campaign contributions as he runs for Gov or Senator on his way to being the next Obama Trojan Horse faux advocate for regular people.)
Kamala has a Facebook Page, which I have commented on in reference to the settlement.
http://www.facebook.com/KamalaHarris
I like that we can all post and have our comments show up, and then other people add onto the subject!
Well, BP, you may be proven correct, yet with today’s suit, Schneiderman has let enough cats out of the bag that, even if he is “blindsided” or outmaneuvered, an insight previously unavailable has been presented to the people.
If you’ve not done so take a few minutes and check out the PDF which Fractal provided on DDay’s other post on this
topic.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2012/02/03/schneiderman-sues-three-big-banks-mers-for-deceptive-practices-illegal-foreclosures/.
See comment #34, for the link.
It is worth a gander, seriously.
DW
Fine idea. I don’t happen to Fook the Bace or Fake the Boco or whatever you modern kids do over there, but I hear you can collect lots of comments and start revolutions and so forth, so that would be a good thing to kick off before the weekend.
You are too kind…. Yves Smith actually posted the ScribD link over here.
I finally broke down and registered for a ScribD account, which you will need if you want to read the actual complaint AG Schneiderman served today. The complaint sued three of the five banks who may be covered by the multi-state settlement, if that is ever signed, along with mortgage servicers they own, plus MERS and MERSCORP.
What’s up with Kamala? According to the AG CA webpage, doesn’t appear to be much.
The two most recent entries having to do with mortgage fraud consist of a nice photo of her meeting with homeowners facing foreclosure in Stockton, Jan 19th, and a photo of her with NV AG Masto when they announced their Mortgage Investigation Alliance on Dec 6th.
BTW, Masto doesn’t have to wait until her 38 questions are answered to initiate any legal action (a la Schneiderman), does she? Thnx.
Complaint, pdf direct to you (
scribd)I think I see why the banks are still in on the settlement.
My guess:
- they must still be getting of very easy
- the AGs have a very solid case
- the people are rising up against them (long live OWS)
- Obama has to deliver some heads or he won’t get reelected
Oh and one more thing, Bernanke just told them that they will be getting free money for another two years.
Carve outs or not, MERS skirted registration statutes in all 50 states. Nobody knows who owns anything anymore. The banks can’t foreclose without crap documents. I no longer have any idea who has the right to enforce my mortgage. I know it’s not the servicer I send money to every month or the mortgage company shown on my documents.
There aren’t just clouds on title. There are hurricanes all over the country.
Thank you all. Another example of the excellent work this site produces. Sometimes I think of us as castaways on a desert island chucking out ideas in empty beer bottles, and finally – finally! – one floats ashore in an influential state like New York.
One can only hope…
Schneiderman’s suit names “Bank of America, J.P. Morgan Chase, and Wells Fargo”.
During the big crash in September, 2008,on 9/29/08 to be exact, Steve Liesman on a CNBC show called “Squawkbox”, in what appeared to be a rather candid moment, named the banks he called “the club” who he said would be backed by the full faith and credit of the US Treasury. The banks he named were:
JP Morgan
Bank of America
Citigroup
Morgan Stanley
Goldman Sachs
What about Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and Citigroup? Do they have no exposure in this mortgage fraud situation?
Obama urges passage of mortgage relief
“The blueprint is intended to help borrowers who are up to date on their mortgages to refinance and take advantage of low interest rates, which could save an average of $3,000 a year.
. . .
“The plan also includes a government-led effort to make foreclosed properties that cannot be sold available to renters.”
LINK.