The WaPo editorial board’s biggest problem with the “rough justice” foreclosure fraud settlement is that robo-signing is a “victimless crime” because all those people were behind on their payments anyway, and that lucky duckies foreclosed upon might be getting $2,000 erroneously. That’s the media we have.
Put aside the looming presence of servicer-driven defaults, fee pyramiding and other forms of abuse that drove people into foreclosure. In the world of WaPo, all defendants in criminal cases “guilty of something” would go to jail, regardless of prosecutorial misconduct. This is a recipe for law enforcement to use any and all means to send suspects to jail: in particular, manufacturing evidence. Well, just substitute bank servicers and their allies for law enforcement and that’s what we’re talking about here.
And to grouse about $2,000 to someone who lost their entire livelihood amid a vast system of criminality… I mean, even Lorne Michaels offered the Beatles $3,000 to reunite. We’re talking about the token of tokens. That’s the bare minimum you would expect to recover for families in any Fair Debt Collection Practices case. It borders on insult. “We stole your home, enjoy the couple months rent.” I haven’t seen one individual, in all the positive comments about the settlement, try to defend that.
I’m aware of the notion that this deal represents a “down payment”. But I don’t think anyone is saying it’s a down payment for those foreclosure victims. People were sold fraudulent mortgages and kicked out of their homes with fraudulent documents. In any criminal case the suspect would be let out of jail based on such prosecutorial negligence. Instead, these people are getting $2,000 and a pat on the head. And they’re only getting it if they sign up expeditiously, so we can expect the clerical errors holding up the payments.
This is the reaction I would expect:
On September 25, 2010, Monica and Ricardo Zapata should have been out celebrating their tenth wedding anniversary, or enjoying a candlelight dinner inside their five-bedroom home 30 minutes inland from West Palm Beach, Fla.
Instead, the couple packed and left their dream house behind. After two failed attempts at a mortgage modification and what the Zapatas describe as a suspiciously timed foreclosure sale, the bank managing their loan ordered the couple and their two children out. That day, the Zapatas lost more than $100,000 in mortgage payments. In the months that led up to the foreclosure and those that followed, they also racked up thousands of dollars in stress-related medical bills and family loans. Ally Financial, whose predecessor, GMAC, handled the Zapatas’ mortgage, declined to comment on the details of the Zapatas’ claims.
Now, under the terms of a government settlement with Ally and four other companies that allegedly mismanaged millions of loans and introduced fraud to the foreclosure process, nearly 2 million homeowners are slated to receive a negotiated measure of justice. About 1 million homeowners who owe their banks more than their homes are worth will be eligible for a principle balance or interest rate reduction, making it less likely that these people will default. Another 775,000 borrowers who lost their homes between 2008 and 2011 will be eligible for a one-time payment of up to $2,000 [...]
“I try to be a grateful person, really I do,” said Monica Zapata. “But it’s almost a slap in the face when you consider everything we’ve been through.”
Go read the whole thing to see the ordeal. The Zapatas are one of many hundreds of thousands of American families who have gone through this. I’ve talked to them. I’ve shared their stories.
The good news is that borrowers do not release claims in exchange for a payment. The bad news is that they have had their financial lives ruined and cannot exactly afford the legal team to actually act on those claims. The money paid directly to states in the settlement could go to legal aid, but it also could go to fill some budget hole.
I’m actually going to have a more constructive piece at some point today, with some ideas for how to make the best of this settlement. But I keep looking at that $2,000. As Yves Smith said yesterday, “We’ve now set a price for forgeries and fabricating documents. It’s $2000 per loan.” Yep, upend 300 years of established land title practice, pay $2,000, get out of trouble. It’s a weird, inverted kind of Monopoly.





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I pray that no federal judge is so naive or unworldly as to be unacquainted with the fact that states are suffering severe economic contraction right now and are desperately hunting for any cheesy way to generate revenue (slots, racetracks, giant casinos next to racetracks, privatizing toll roads, privatizing utilities, you name it). Federal judges also know a great deal about monitoring & controlling financial & administrative behavior of city and state bureaucrats (e.g., receiverships over overcrowded prisons, abusive group homes for disabled, schools resisting integration, violent police depts — see Oakland).
So, I doubt that any federal judge will blithely sign off on a deal that is being advertised as benefitting homeowners when all the cash could be converted into general revenues to close budget holes. We need to keep pulling on those threads then find a way to intervene in the settlement case in federal court and show the judge that the whole sweater is unraveling.
OT: Meanwhile, great live blog at the Guardian covering the chaos in the Greek parliament and threats by police unions against IMF & Euro zone dictatorship.
Open lawlessness, unabashed attacks on the powerless… I feel like I live in the early 19th century.
It’s the Whitewashing Post. Quelle surprise. *sigh*
Geez, where have we heard that before? Oh yeah, my ass is still sore from that one.
HUD Scty. Donovan was just on WNYC’s Brian Lehrer Show (available for listening later today) and said the $2000 (huh? ranged down to $1500 yesterday) payout is only for those who tried to refi or something and experienced things such as the bank losing their paperwork…or something like that.
Plus, if the banks find more people who deserve/fit the criteria for principle reduction, the amount of the settlement can go up to $30B. Note, it is the banks who select those who will get principle reduction; the homeowner is not to his or her little head about who and how. There will be lists developed, then the deserving will be notified. Or something.
At least CREDO calls it for what it is
Where can I buy a pitchfork?
Chump change you can believe in.
I wonder if BackEnd’ll be here to comment.
I almost threw up when I read that gibberish about ‘rough justice’ and ‘victimless’ crime.
Remember, David, FDL does not condone violence.
The irony would be delicious if it weren’t revolting.
Back in the 1990′s the Post thought that making false statements to a grand jury
was a crime worthy of impeachment.
Yves Smith was on Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now” this morning on Pacifica radio. There were good questions and the show did a decent job presenting the big picture of how puny the relief is. But we need to get someone who understands litigation better than Yves does to roll out a sharper legal analysis.
Yves was not able to explain very well the differences between monetary relief (“legal” remedies) and injunctions (“equitable” remedies). Maybe there wasn’t enough time, or the audience wouldn’t get it even if she did try to explain (NBC told her last night to “dumb down” what she said about the deal).
The settlement as proposed includes that fat set of changes to servicing standards (PDF currently posted on the settlement home page here). That PDF, called “Servicing Standards Highlights,” IF it will have the force of law under the supervision of a federal court, will be a permanent injunction forcing the banks to abide by the standards on pain of contempt of court. Contempt of court for violating civil injunctions usually results in fines and certain “adverse inferences” against a party’s defenses. In certain situations, with a determined and courageous judge, contempt which occurs in court in front of the judge can result in imprisonment.
The gist of what I am talking about is that this one case, under this one judge, is about to convert all mortgage servicing activities, all mortgage account administration activities, and all foreclosure activities by all of the five banks into a nationwide (except Oklahoma) permanent injunction covering every mortgage on every home in the country (ex OK). Fines for violating that injunction should not be limited in any way by the dollar amounts recited as the value of the settlement. The fines the banks could be forced to pay for violating that injunction, if they continue their chronic stupidity, could easily equal the cash payments to be made to individual states.
I am not selling this settlement, it still sucks even if all of the potential injunction enforcement remedies are used by the federal court. But nobody is paying attention to the injunction enforcement because so far no progressive legal expert has been rolled out to show how the injunction can be exploited to keep the banks on a leash, permanently.
I’m going to steal your comment for future use. OK?
The whole thing makes me see red.
I’d bet most of these people would like to see a little JUSTICE done to these thieves rather than get a $2000.00 insult.
Don’t spend it all in one place….esp Walmart!
I feel like the Mafia is running this country.
Now, Obama is caving on birth control pill issues as well.
What a MESS these men have made of this country; world and planet. I hope their dingus’s rot off.
The Washington Post is a propaganda organ for our oppressors. The 99 can easily destroy the Post by simply ignoring it. The Democratic and Republican Parties can be destroyed the same way. The way to make the best of this settlement is to resolve to overthrow the Fascist (Democratic and Republican) regime that is enslaving and impoverishing us all.
I wonder how many people were forced into foreclosure by believing that HAMP was going to help them, and then they found that they were paying unaffordable late fees, serviceing fees, and their credit rating had been destroyed as well. Any program that Obama and Holder have cooked up is likely to be a recipe for disaster for the individual homeowner. Oh, and the banks are going to administer the program and decide which borrowers are “worthy”? Good luck with that. Sounds like Son of HAMP to me.
Be my guest.
“But nobody is paying attention to the injunction enforcement because so far no progressive legal expert has been rolled out to show how the injunction can be exploited to keep the banks on a leash, permanently.”
Can you share some of your stash?
Heh. Downpayment, indeed.
Let’s take this example of how the “Servicing Standards Highlights” treat “anti-blight” initiatives, which is something we don’t usually talk about here.
What happens when these conditions and rules become “the law” nationwide, under a permanent federal court injunction covering the five banks with the most foreclosed properties? What if those banks start paying $2,000 fines for each violation of these rules, forever?
The only down payment this represents is toward the savage injustice to come.
read the source documents, stoner
Try the yard sale of the latest foreclosure victim in your area.
“Governor,” Walker and WI Attorney General Van Hollen were out with early statements immediately claiming the settlement cash for the the State’s general coffers. No citizens are going to see any of that money in Wisconsin.
What if pigs fly?
This bubble has burst and they have been bailed out and let off the hook for all the wrong doing. They’ll move on to another game — another casino. You think they want another boom and bust just like this one? No, there will be another gamble, another fraud — and they’ll be bailed out and let off the hook again.
THEY even don’t want to do again what they’ve gotten off the hook for — and what you claim there will be an injunction against. Fuck, they’ve pilfered that way — been there, done that.
The horse done left the fuckin’ barn.
KMA
Thank you, David, for staying on this. The comparison to Greece is an apt one.
Mortgages in general, even home ownership itself, are so disrespected by this fraudulent settlement that like Greece we have no alternative at this point but to collectively go a different direction and starve the beast – not out of any violent revolutionary stance, but out of the mere act of living in a positive fashion. We cannot perhaps change the current system (the PTB have it all clamped down) but we can make the needed changes simply and collectively as weeds in concert grow through cracks in the cement. It will happen because it has to.
I’m reminded of the following from Lao-tse:
“The highest goodness is like water. Water is the symbol of humility. It always seeks the lowest place. It dwells in regions which people detest, and yet it is good and necessary to all living things. It benefits all things and does not compete with them. Further, water best illustrates the principle of wu wei, or effective inactivity, because it is soft and yielding but can wear away rock: There is nothing softer or sweeter than water and yet there is nothing better for attacking strong and hard things.”
Dday, I remember reading in the past few weeks, that the settlement was also going to include other banks than the top 5. However I read on the Foreclosure Settlement site that it is strictly the five. Has anyone heard about the other banks, HSBC, etc?
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there are many press releases from many enforcement offices touting their actions against mortgage brokers (as in selling fraudulent mortgages above) & document falsifiers stealing homes (example, quit claim deed frauds- again, equating to stealing homes using fraudulent documents also as above), but the losers busted are always penny ante local fraudsters. I think it is instructive to listen to administration public relations people describing the same offenses when committed by a big bank as being somehow fundamentally different & requiring the abandonment of application of the rule of law .
Seems to a regular person that there are 2 sets of rules – 1 for easy to bust mopes who rip off 10 people, and another for campaign contributing Mercedes driving mopes who rip off 1million people – and believe me, patting me on the head and telling me I just don’t understand & they know better is really not a good game plan.
Thank-you for writing about this debacle. You’re the first that I’ve heard or seen to address this horrer. It astonishes me that anyone with any notion of justice can address this and not be throughly disgusted. Watching Schneiderman on Maddow last night, I was appalled that he was so upbeat about the whole thing. Clearly these people have no clue what it means to lose the largest investment most folks make in their lifetime not to mention the roof over their heads – their homes.
The WaPo editorial was probably by their dipshit fiscal wizard Charles Lane. From time to time they roll him out for a “live chat” in which he usually just spouts neocon or supply-side drivel. The last time he was on a live chat he even contradicted the headline WaPo put on his own editorial (“Bush tax cuts helped the rich grow richer”). He loves to gin up BS myths about Social Security and Medicare. Just a useless tool, IMHO.
you said it was my “stash” that made me write the way I did, so you started it you baby
The Sacramento Bee had a huge headline today about “distressed Sacramento homeowners” will get a $1.2billion settlement.
True? Probably.
Disingenuous? Most definitely.
Bah!
The article does highlight how home-owners will get between a whopping $700 to a fabulous $2000 depending on a whole slew of conditions. But article written as it’s been discovered that Santa Claus really really exists, and he’s coming to town with sacks of money for all.
Inside is a letter to the Ed stating plainly that “it’s all the fault” of homeowners who “bought more house than they can afford” if they’ve gone into foreclosure. Only the 99% is “at fault.” Of course, the 1% bankers, etc, are innocent blameless lambs who should get bailed out by 99%er tax dollars because…
Yes, that’s most likely true. And the Schneiderman’s of our nation, along with lapdog Rachel Maddow, are highly paid to appear upbeat about travesties like this. It’s who they are and what they do best.
You highlight why I stopped watching RM a looooooooong time ago. Too bad that she’s such a shocking sell-out, but that’s what she is.
WaPo news account here, not the editorial Dday trashed, says there may be other smaller banks joining in:
Yesterday’s piece in the the Times offered this:
So far I haven’t seen a list naming all the other “nine” banks.
Careful, I just read that the FBI is monitoring internet websites to ferret out terrorists who speak out against our government.
I’m pretty sure they have my name already.
Nothings going to change until Americans grow some balls and start rioting, burning and shooting EVERY DAY.
Until the time comes that the Stazi won’t come out of their bunkers unless they have Bradleys and 50 troopers, well armed……
I watched a few minutes of Iowa AG Miller and team on CSPAN from yesterday’s morning announcement and about what a great deal they achieved. I had to shut it off before I got sicker.
I missed Schneiderman on cable last night, was probably watching comedies. Did he say anything about an “injunction” or about “the federal court will be in charge?”
Fair enough. My point is that it is no longer in any of the crooks’ interest to:
–make bad loans
–robosign paper
–securitize bad loans
–give MBS full of bad loans triple AAA rating
–buy fraudulently rated CDS
–bet using derivatives on the whole thing collapsing.
So an injunction against doing so is pissing in the wind. The real issue is that the perpetrators have been made whole, are now larger, and are looking to find another scam. And own the political system.
They came in the back window, stole our money, and got off. They’re not coming in the back window next time, Fractal.
Fractal, your posts have been very helpful throughout this horror. I can’t really assimilate the legalities I have to admit, but I am remembering a question asked on one of the comments to one of David’s posts that I thought I had an answer to – the question was: why are the big banks so eager to proceed with foreclosures when the results are so obviously dire? My not well substantiated answer was and is that I remember someone pointing out that foreclosures are more profitable to banks so that is why they have a no holds barred attitude that includes robotsigning towards doing them, homeowners be damned.
So now my question would be, in light of the points you are raising, is profit to the banks still the prime mover in this settlement? You seem to be pointing out ways in which that may no longer be the case, or am I reading you wrongly?
x2
Guess who is getting shout outs from the Obama campaign and Maniac83? FDL has been sent to the Group W bench along with Daily Kos.
We should hear the reasons that the President has for this Banker Bailout. Here they are. The President’s propaganda machine is shaky, having to depend on TPV, of course.
(1) FDL is only pretending to care for the 99% while the President truly cares about the 99%.
(2) A million “distressed” homeowners may be helped, but this is a small number of homeowners and a small amount of financial help. 17 B divided by 1 M = $17,000.
(3) Two K per homeowner fraud is laughable.
(4) 5 B for States is $50 M per State, enough of a bribe to be effective.
(5) It is all “can” and “may” which should be interpreted using the PResident’s past history of betrayals.
(6) It is not bitching and moaning to demand justice and perpwalks, follow the law, and punish criminals. This President wants to punish the antiwar, pro-environment, and ultra left because the President is THE ONE PERCENT
(7) This Settlement is so terrible that it needs a Total Information Awareneness attack, with personal, vicious and false propaganda.
Kudos to David and ALL my colleagues here at FDL for such outstanding contributions.
This really makes me sick. I have NEVER been so disgusted in our government and our political leaders as I am now. Even during Cheney/Bush. Hell, I expected those guys to screw us.
I’m with BSb now. I’m voting “Green Party”.
“Group W bench”
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You might have to ‘splain that reference to our younger readers. :-)
Although we have indeed been relegated there, “We did have fun playing with the pencils.”
Yes. Exactly right. I do agree with you and those are great angles to explore further. For example, Yves says that RMBS investors are basically telling all of Wall Street to go fuck itself on ever trying to ever sell another fucking mortgage to anybody. They killed their own golden goose.
But I want to make sure folks here understand that I’m not claiming the injunction supervising the foreclosure fraud deal would cover RMBS fraud (or REMIC trust failures) or other securities fraud (including derivatives & CDS) or ratings-agency fraud. The AGs claim they will go after all of that other shit, but I’m not buying that until I see some real action.
Meanwhile, we have bigger problems than us snapping at each other. See Frank33 @44.
A pathological Liar, A bullshit artist, and a wolf in sheeps clothing walk into a bar and the Bartender says…Hi Barack.
and to econobuzz @43
We need to separate out the roles of the banks as lenders from their roles as servicers. The servicers which are owned by the banks make lots of money from piling on pyramiding late fees, servicing fees, force-placed insurance fees and interest. Those revenue streams are clearly identified in the big banks 10-Qs and annual reports 10-Ks filed with the SEC. It’s quite striking. (Hat/Tip to Yves and, I think, creditslips(dot)org or propublica(dot)org.) I read the JPMorgan 10-K for 2010 and it expressly disclosed that servicing fees are rising as an offset to losses on non-performing mortgage loans! Wow. A built-in counter-cyclical earnings cushion. Genius.
So, the servicers makes piles of money by stalling foreclosures, delaying them, holding them off as long as possible, because when foreclosure is finally imposed, the servicers recoup all of those fees & interest off the top before the lender gets back its principal & interest.
This sounds like a conflict of interest? Maybe, if the bank which owns the servicer actually still owns the mortgage loans. But, as we know, the banks sold off most of those loans a long time ago into RMBS.
Barach, sayS, “That’s future former MR PRESIDENT to you.”
Ahhhhhhh, the girls and Michelle liked it better in Chicago anyway.
We did TOO Mr. President.
I suppose we ALL have to hope and pray that Mitt romney is not nearly the flip-flopping, bumbling fool he plays on the campaign trail.
Thanks on the ‘off topic’ link to Guardian blog on Greece, Fractal. The following really caught my eye:
“1.54pm: Greece’s largest police union has threatened to issue arrest warrants for officials from the country’s European Union and International Monetary Fund lenders for demanding deeply unpopular austerity measures.”
Wow. Wouldn’t that be something.
Could you make it a little clearer who those assholes are who wrote shit attacking Jane and Dday by name? Don’t make us drive web traffic to the assholes’ websites, please. Just tell us who they are.
“This sounds like a conflict of interest?”
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I was thinking that too. And, me, I’m not that bright. It seems to me that this “settlement” simply legitimizes all the past criminal behavior and now “sanctions” future criminality with “we the people” getting hosed…AGAIN!
I was on a road trip over the holidays, riding with my 25-year-old son, and he had his MP3 player hooked up to the speakers and when the opening chords of the next song began, I recognized the song and looked at him and we both laughed…it was Arlo telling the tale of Alice’s Restaurant. He cranked up the speakers and we both sang along. It turns out it is one of his favorites, too…and we both knew all the words.
Amazing how that song and the ludicrousness of the political times has come ’round again.
yep. wild. Reminds of me of when the NYPD union members stood in uniform on the steps of Foley Square and made similar threats. Wasn’t that under Giuliani?
I have known some Greeks in my time. They are a “dangerous” and very emotional bunch. Even worse when they get drunk.
I say let’s send Geraldo over there to report of things for us.
I learned “Alice’s Restaurant” when I was in college and my roomate would play along on the guitar. We went all over the college to parties performing it. I can still DO most of it after about 4 Dos Equis.
it doesn’t cover crimes of any kind, so nobody is getting out of jail because of the settlement. Maybe the bankers will continue to skate because none of the DAs and States Attorneys have shown any balls to attack white collar mobsters who steal homes, but nothing in the settlement protects bankers or mortgage servicers from criminal prosecution.
Girls, girls, kiss and make up. We’re all on the same side here, last I looked. And we’re all cranky if we don’t have a stash of our own. ;-)
Yes, yes – thank you so much! I remember that discussion now. It’s the servicing fees, stupid. So, that will continue uninterrupted?
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“Amazing how that song and the ludicrousness of the political times has come ’round again.”
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Those who don;t leasrn from history are destined to repeat it.
“If three people,three people a day, walk into the government, sing a bar of Alice’s Restaurant and walk out, we will have a MOVEMENT.”
c’mon Frank. Don’t just drop that shit bomb and leave. We need to know wtf is going on with “thepeoplesview(dot)net.” Are they just a bunch of Black Bloc anarchists?
MY thankls fro all you do too. I thought this settlement would “prohibit” any “other” civil or criminal activity against these banks.
Thanks Fractal,
It must have been just some of the spin swooshing around as everyone dug for details. It looks as though they only settled with the big five: Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and Ally Financial.
I wonder what happens to the next biggest 10 banks?
Father rapers. heh heh heh
I am not an expert on Deaniac. He was kicked out of DK. Who has not been? But OFA and the Obama Campaign used ThePeoplesView.net for attacking Paul Krugman and anyone else who is not an Obama sycophant. That is a sad choice, but obviously Obama’s base is shrinking and his support in the Web-O-Sphere is shrinking. I would not worry about the traffic to TPV. They are a desperate bunch of clowns.
So I blame the President, and Axlerod. But mostly we should blame the Dee Cee Press Corp. That is an empty core of oppressed press agents for corporations, who do more to conceal the truth than anyone. And we should be grateful that D-Day, and the rest of the malcontents here, are annoying the hell out of Obama and his Hedge Fund bosses.
Well, I have hope. Policemen also are homeowners.
Deaniac83? Fuck him and the whores he rode in with.
LOL Good one.
Calls himself “Deaniac83.”
When I was in college, I went with one of my fellow students to check in on a friend of his who–I am not making this up–was living (more like camping out) in an abandoned and boarded up old church. I didn’t ask questions, but I always assumed his draft number had come up and he was hiding out. Ever since, when I hear the song, that memory pops up and I wonder what happened to that guy.
And you can’t turn your back on ‘em.
I was told once by a scientist that once Humans have destroyed the environment that only cockroaches would survive. Question..has this already happened and nobody told us. Take a closer look at Blankfein, Dimon, and Obama.
Meanest, ugliest father raper of ‘em all was sittin’ next to me on the bench.
They do bear a striking resemblence to Gregor Samsa, don’t they??
Don’t make me speak up in defense of cockroaches. :-(
Name dropper.
What’s wrong with whores? Most are just a bunch of young women, pushed out into the streets, being run and exploited by often violent men. (I can also think of no group that has a greater need for free birth control, but that belongs in another thread).
We need better swear words.
I am a “bastard”, so I have never been fond of that one.
I suggest we concentrate on excrement, because most folks do not like the smell.
Yes, I am being silly. Sometimes it is best when really disappointed with the world.
oh, no, not at all. The “Servicing Standards Highlights” that I linked to @14 and quoted a chunk from @22 have a ton of new restrictions on servicing fees.
If the permanent nationwide injunction issued by the federal court is monitored and enforced with stringent sanctions for contempt, these will be the new “laws” prohibiting mortgage servicers from pushing homeowners into foreclosure with bogus fees (pp. 8-9 of PDF linked in upper right corner here:
These are the type of simple suggestions that can turn things around. When you say most don’t like the smell it is true. But some do at the waste treatment plants. I saw signs there once..YOU’RE NUMBER 2 IS OUR NUMBER 1 and YOUR FLUSH IS OUR RUSH.
The smell is just like you might imagine it :)
thanks. new to me. If I have time over the weekend maybe I will work sideways through the Goggles to see what others are saying about TPV.
There are a couple new threads upstairs, so let me bug out for a while. I’m late finishing that car repair I was sposed to do yesterday.
Keep it real, y’all. (And read your source documents. *g*)
Check ya later…
Just heard Bernie Sanders totally waffle – finally halfway through his hour of everything but, a caller on Thom Hartmann zeroed in on a pertinent question – ” Does the settlement allow for criminal prosecution?” Well, Bernie just couldn’t say if this settlement would be enough – HE COULDN’T SAY? And he never answered the question.
For some “Meta” context. As I said, Deaniac is just a sad clown. I consider them an unofficial part of OFA. They, TPV have made attacks against everyone who is anyone, Glenzilla, Krugman, Dean Baker, Keith Olbermann…and all the other ultra lefties. Their defense of the Mortgage Settlement is defending a criminal conspiracy.
And I choose not to ignore them. They attacked FDL. They also attacked Bradley Manning and defended the torture against Manning. I have issues with TPV.
It is interesting that FDL and DK get catapulted with clumsy propaganda. There were a lot of flaming Posts flying back and forth in the classic FDL versus DK war. Most of the DK Posts attacking FDL were from folks such as Deaniac and BlackDog. There was too much criticism against the President from some people at FDL. And I confess I was one of those people who was unkind with some of my comments against DK. Now DK and FDL must unite because the friend of my enemy is my…something.
Thank you again! I was just on janeyeresick’s diary which was dealing with the service issue and failure of $2000 compensation, so my slow comprehension is enormously helped by your explanation. Sorry to be such a dud.
“Whores for “horse” lol. My dear, I think you need to read this: http://my.firedoglake.com/realitychecker/2011/08/20/fleshies/
If you are a “dud,” then you are my favorite dud. ;-)
Too bad they left out a prohibition on the servicer getting fees/commissions from the forced place insurance company. Unless things have changed, the bank/servicer does get a fee (commission of sorts) for placing the policies. In my opinion, that provides incentive to put the insurance in place, and therefore needs to be prohibited.
:)
In my own defense, the inferences from both David’s and Fractal’s patient expositions are best expressed in this from Janeyresick’s diary:
“BUT WAIT, we have to remember that the individual homeowner still has the ability to sue the Behemoths themselves! And of course the individual homeowner and their Legal Aid attorney will be able to get a more equitable settlement? Think about that – if it’s true than the settlement is an even greater travesty than thought possible. If it is not true it will be because the settlement has established a baseline for the damages as two thousand dollars.”
It’s those ‘but waits’ that really bog me down. Used to be there actually was legal aid – I took advantage of it myself back when. But now –
I suppose it could be a wintertime activity for the Occupies? But wait, it’s already spring…
I shall go out and plant a few more peas.
if libs boycotted the washington post; as i have said for years we could cause the wapo to suffer enough to change back to a responsible paper. since the progressives were effective against glen beck’s advertisers why has this not continued against the corrupt media outlets of our country?
Come to think of it, I have a fondness for the F word. Fucking has truly gotten a bad name….and it leads to that possible holy event of baby birth which is much more likely if no contraception is involved (STDs are for a different discussion). I think many people like to F…ornicate!
I have no problem calling the father rapers in DC and their associates “shiteaters, shitspewers, shitfaces, pissheaded mother-whoops” etc. But really “terrorist” fits the bill best. They strike fear into any with half a brain if they’re using it (the brain I mean). The fraction of 1% are exempt from that statement (do they even have half a heart…I mean brain?)
It’s beyond ridiculous. Legal Aid attorneys are always swamped with cases, they can’t compete effectively. Plus, I’ve seen where the settlement has been defended on the gounds that the AGs THEMSELVES don’t have adequate resources to take the banks on. No, this is exactly what it looks like. A sellout of the public interest by whores with no souls or integrity.
” The fines the banks could be forced to pay for violating that injunction, if they continue their chronic stupidity, could easily equal the cash payments to be made to individual states. ”
It’s not just stupidity that has driven the massive court fraud involved in foreclosure. Banks, through their own negligence and greed, have destroyed the document trail necessary to prove standing to foreclose. Thus, their agents, the foreclosure mills, file counterfeit documents, forged signatures and perjured statements with the courts in an attempt to show that they actually do have standing. That isn’t going to change; the paperwork is irremediably hosed. If they want to foreclose, they HAVE to photo-shop missing documents and signatures.
The banks actually do very little foreclosing themselves – they hire agents, typically attorneys like the infamous David J. Stern, who operate foreclosure mills. So, do the fines apply if the banks aren’t actually filing and managing foreclosure case? Foreclosure mills aren’t parties to the amnesty settlement so, surely, they can’t be fined?
A determination of who actually holds liability for fraud in foreclosures performed FOR the banks is a big open question for me.
The newest scam appears to be cornering supply of non-precious metals. Goldman Sachs and others have bought/built enormous warehouse facilities which they’re stuffing full of aluminum and possibly other metals like copper.
Aluminum is in damn near everything so the cost of this deliberately caused supply disruption will be borne by all of us.
Sound familiar?
So the investors in RMBS, 401k plans, teacher and firefighter pensions, municipalities, eat the inflated servicer fees instead of the banksters.
Yeah, that sounds fair.
The group ‘W’ bench defined:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0a6iWHSWbA