Earlier I took a look at how negotiations in Afghanistan on a long-term military agreement were breaking down because of resistance to night raids by US forces and US-run prisons. Associated to that is the fact that Afghans and Pakistanis, like most people I assume, don’t particularly like it when you kill their citizens and desecrate their most sacred rituals, no matter how much you apologize. One such apology caught my eye today. The US and NATO apologized for inadvertently burning Korans at one of their air bases:
US and Nato forces have rushed to apologise for discarding and possibly burning copies of the Qur’an, as thousands of furious Afghans gathered to protest outside Bagram military airbase.
Some carried ancient hunting rifles and others used slingshots to pelt the outer walls of the airbase with stones for several hours, despite the bitter cold, shouting “down with America” and other slogans.
The crowd swelled to as much as three thousand, and police stationed on roads leading to the base turned back other would-be protesters from further away, according to General Mohammad Akram Bekzad, Parwan province’s police chief.
NATO ended up firing rubber bullets into the crowd to disperse them, another tactic that’s sure to win hearts and minds.
This is at least the fourth incident I can think of in Afghanistan of desecration of the Koran. In this case, holy books taken from prisoners at Bagram mistakenly went to the incinerator, as it’s customary to burn waste on the base. Afghan workers intervened and stopped most of the burning, but at least some pages of the Koran were singed. And as a result, 3,000 Afghans protested outside the base.
Generals can apologize as profusely as they want, but the issue has less to do with Koran desecration as it does a loss of control. The whole concept of “winning hearts and minds” given the unequal power relationship between the US and NATO forces and the Afghan civilian population is totally misguided. Kevin Drum writes:
Rather, the lesson to be learned is that stuff at this level is inevitable. You will never run an operation so perfectly that nothing like this ever occurs. And yet, this is precisely the kind of thing that is routinely used to gin up outrage at a moment’s notice. We think we can somehow win the hearts and minds of Afghans, but how can we do that when an incident like this can easily ruin a year’s worth of good works? Even with the most perfectly run operation, incidents like this are going to happen at least once a year.
We are not going to win their hearts and minds. In the past half-century American military operations have never successfully won anybody’s hearts and minds. It’s time to acknowledge this and leave Afghanistan.
It’s a i worse than that, in my view. American military operations don’t win hearts and minds simply because of the structure of the power relationship. People don’t actually like having their country occupied by a foreign force for years. That’s really all there is to this.




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Giving credit where credit is due, it seems like Obama has finally decided that Afghanistan is a fool’s errand. There’s a rump faction in the military trying to negotiate some formal military presence, but this effort is fatally undermined by Obama’s committment to end combat operations in 2013, if it wasn’t already dead. What we’re going to be left with, I’m afraid, is a futile effort to use special ops to assassinate opposition leaders in hopes that will keep the country stable.
Gee, if we could only get the U.S. military to commit such a faux pas every day (what’s the proper way to dispose of korans, or bibles, for that matter anyhow), maybe they’d kick us out of all muslim countries.
What makes you think O has changed his mind about Afghanistan being the good war?
Oh yippie hooray. I’m being ‘modded’ on another comment.
Why is it OK to arrest somebody, take their property and then destroy it? I guess the police in the USA have done it to the Occupy people, so is it going to be the norm now? Property is sacred, but only some people’s property.
The H&M bs is really really really old. Reading Stern’s book Terror in the Name of God, pub 2003. U.S. was already hated by Muslim countries then. Any U.S.ian who hasn’t caught on yet is more than a decade behind the times. That would be par for the U.S. military.
Remind me again – WTF are we doing there?
Pretending that we haven’t lost. Ya see, the diff betw the Soviet empire & the U.S. empire is that the U.S. empire can pretend longer.
On edit: She: I promise to fake it. He: I promise not to notice.
I agree.
The next time we decide to fight a war, we fight to win, or we don’t enter.
We have the ability to win the war, just not the will to fight the war.
Given all that’s been written about Afghans and The Koran over the last decade or so, whoever gave the go-ahead for this particular incineration was an idiot of the first order.
Shit! Just when everything was going SOOOO well, something like this happens.
Damn, if we didn’t have bad luck, we wouldn’t have no luck at all.
In case you hadn’t noticed, the U.S. hasn’t won a war in quite a long time. The Soviets won WWII for us. You could call Grenada (heh) or the first Iraq war as a win, but only if you have a deep sense of ironic humor.
“The next time we decide to fight a war, we fight to win, or we don’t enter.”
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Winning DOES seem to have been an elusive goal for say….40 years or so.
I take that back…..Grenada was a rousing victory.
I stand corrected.
Great minds think alike.
My buddy at the pentagon says they DID put Grenada in “W” column.
Official scorekeeper has us, since 1950, 2-1-2
Just one more reason to get out of Shitholeistan as soon as possible. We can leave McCain and Graham behind to fool the enemy.
Normally you would owe me a drink. But I just poured the rest of the big bottle of Bombay Sapphire into the reg bottle I keep in my freezer, and I had a little left over. Oh dearie me, I asked myself, just what should I do with that…
That would be the U.S. military.
Empire makes you stupid.
That’s why Israel is going to bomb Iran, btw, in a related topic.
Afghanistan is home to many hard working, brave, and very hard put upon people.
Not castigating you for being politically incorrect, which you are, but reminding you of teh fundamental humanity of people all over the planet, esp those who U.S. chooses as targets.
They say halitosis is better than no breath at all. YMMV.
I thought Israel would bomb Iran the minute they had the hint of a credible nucleur threat. I would if I was them.
But…so many of the Iranian nucleur scientists and engineers are having such really bad luck with their old cars, which as we know, can be a fire hazard, especially if they are driving 1998-2004 Ford Explorers, that may not be necessary.
Oh, the 2004 Audis are prone to spontaneous ignition too. And not in a good way.
Dude: Where have you been??
That’s friggin’ brilliant.
Thank you for saying this eCAHN
The “burning the Koran” is a bit overblown. Muslims have no problem stabbing cartoonists to death on the street, pedophilia dancing boys, killing and maiming women for men’s “honor”. The Koran is a book like any other book, a bunch of paper that goes into the trash if too many around taking up space. Spare us the faux religious outrage. We see enough of that in Santorum and his whacked push for a “Christian government”.
And we always have the Samson option, don’t we, pardner?
Faux religious outrage? Were’d you see that?
“People don’t actually like having their country occupied” but there we are. The US religion needs your disrespect. In fact, somebody demolished two of our symbolic monuments and we obliterated a country that wasn’t even responsible, among lesser crimes against humanity.
That, however, has the earmarks of a necessary provocation, doesn’t it?
Do you find it ironic that this land of supposed religious freedom and sometimes freedom of expression had witch hunts for people who didn’t have a deity? They were only trashing sacred ideas and their faith got obliterated too.
Is the US not a proselytizing nation (of a more dangerous false faith)? Does that faith not offend your conscience more persistently?
It’s time for a wall of separation between that bad faith and government comrade. Perhaps that’s exactly why Santorum is in there instead, no?
It’s not the like of Santorum’s hypocrisy raised here. Under focus is a system which provokes real grievance.
What the fock are we still doing over there? Now it’s just about killing and degradation of eveything the soldiers despise about being there. I’m sure there will be a My Lai type mass killing any day now.
The grunts know they are being lied to by Obama and his fools at the State Department and the Generals still think that victory is just around the corner. A few thousand more troops and another trillion dollars is the commitment to this fantasy reality.
American exceptionalism is the idea that refuses to admit that after the fall of the Soviet Union that a rag tag bunch of “ragheads” could defeat the elite killing machine that is the US military. When it’s really a matter of home field advantage. Duh.
General Petraus is no Alexander the Great. That is for damn sure.
Grenada?
How could that be a win? A bunch of Cuban doctors and medical students. It’s like scoring a win for the New York Yankees against a team of Little Leaguers.
If they count Grenada as a “win” do they count Lebanon that same year as a loss. When Reagan cut and run after the barracks bombing that same time in 1983?