The prospect of an Israeli attack on Iran has become more realistic in recent weeks. Israeli officials told the AP that they would not even inform the United States in the event of a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. And there’s a sense that the window for an attack that would actually damage the nuclear program is short, perhaps just through this spring.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu arrives in Washington next week for talks with the White House. He plans to pressure the US to come out more firmly for military action, according to Haaretz. And according to this AP story, Netanyahu was the one behind the information that the Israelis wouldn’t warn the US:
Israeli defense officials confirmed that there are no plans to alert the U.S. ahead of time about any operation against Iran, though they stressed no decisions have been made on whether to attack. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a confidential security matter.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak delivered the message to a series of high-level U.S. visitors to the country, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the White House national security adviser, the director of national intelligence and top U.S. lawmakers, all trying to close the trust gap between Israel and the U.S. over how to deal with Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
Netanyahu delivered the same message to all the Americans who have traveled to Israel for talks, the U.S. official said [...] But the apparent decision to keep the U.S. in the dark also stems from Israel’s frustration with the White House. After a visit by National Security Adviser Tom Donilon, the Israelis became convinced the Americans would neither take military action, nor go along with unilateral action by Israel against Iran. The Israelis concluded that if there were any strike they would have to conduct it unilaterally — a point they are likely to hammer home in a series of meetings over the next two weeks in Washington, the official said.
First of all, this won’t change the target of opprobrium from Iran in the event of a strike, which would include US as well as Israeli targets. The idea that this would shield the US from criticism is hokum. Netanyahu just wants to go it alone, despite the risks to his own country and allies, and the threat of a wider war. American credibility would fall along with Israeli lives.
The other issue here is that Netanyahu’s cowboy unilateralism is unpopular in Israel, whose public would prefer a coalition-based approach.
In a poll conducted this month by Professor Shibley Telhami of the University of Maryland and Israel’s Dahaf Institute, only 19 percent of Israelis said they would support an Israeli military attack on Iran if it is not approved by the U.S.
But that’s not even the most striking result of the poll.
The poll suggests that the reason that the majority of Israelis don’t support an Israeli military strike on Iran without U.S. approval is not because they are afraid of making the U.S. angry. The poll suggests that the reason that the majority of Israelis do not support an Israeli military strike on Iran without U.S. approval is that they share the cautions of U.S. officials against an Israeli strike on Iran: they think that the costs would be high, and the benefits small or nonexistent.
I don’t know if Netanyahu cares about public opinion, or rather whether the most important public opinion to him comes from his far-right base. He has more of a stake in institutional support rather than support of the broader electorate. And like most neocons, he probably has some delusion of grandeur about fighting a noble war from his armchair.
But this would be absolutely catastrophic for the region and for the state of Israel.




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Of course Israel won’t. Bibi outranks Obama in the U.S. military’s chain of command.
Bibi has Obama’s number, even the unlisted ones. If he’s so unpopular at home, why isn’t there a no confidence vote in the Knesset?
Let’s see: we have 2 or 3 carrier-based fleets in the region that are there partly at a deterrent against attacks against Israel. In the event of war, there would be enormous pressure on the US to intervene, making these forces potentially legitimate targets. US forces and lives would be at risk. So this madman says, “I won’t warn you in advance when I put you all at risk, and put you in the position
where you might have to save my nation.
I would tell this madman he’s not welcome and refuse to talk to him directly. Under no circumstances should Obama meet with such a dangerous blowhard. Let him go talk to Lieberman, et ilk.
We have naval power, we have AWACS and sophisticated radar. We have planes and missiles. Bet we could even get plane watchers to inform us of Israeli activities.
So, why can’t we just take out Israeli warplanes obviously flying in the wrong airspaces?
And we should also get going to the Security Council to get passage of resolutions warning Israel against any such illegal war. But…the US government won’t do that, fer sure.
If netanyahu attacks Iran, which I don’t want to happen, I want him to do it without telling us and then be on his own in whatever results. I do not, under any circumstances, want to support his recklessness. I realize, however, that he is 0′s boss, so we will be dragged into a war we don’t need, and, I think, most of us do not want. Due to netanyahu’s control of the US congress, we probably have no choice. Anyway, this will give 0 more opportunity to attack the US population with more shock and awe and drive us deeper into the control of the 1%.
“The idea that this would shield the US from criticism is hokum.”
Of course. See, you know there have been all sorts of back channel communications, and this is the best the most powerful nation in the world could extricate from it’s best — “no daylight” — ally? The public statement that Israel is trying to shield the US from implication, accountability? Doesn’t even pass the laugh test.
And how many believe for an instant that Obama would actually sit it out, would not join in a big way? Political pressures in the US, orchestrated by right wing zionists, will demand Obama respond. Even if Obama hadn’t continued to dig the US/Israel “tail wagging dog” relationship deeper — in no small measure due to the cesspool of American politics on this issue.
Pathetic the small maneuvering room the all powerful US has in the face of the Israel Lobby. If Obama had any balls, I might not think it such a done deal.
This just in: the main pipeline delivering oil to Saudi’s Persian Gulf shipping terminal complex has suffered a huge explosion, cause uncertain at this point. Apparently this pipeline is the major link in shipping Saudi oil to both Asian and Western markets. It’s likely there will be a sharp spike in prices, worse than we have been experiencing recently, in the coming days. A small dress rehearsal of what the world will be experiencing in the coming West-on-East Armageddon simulation?
Popcorn futures are soaring. I might even have to get a TV again.
Don’t forget satellites. No, Israel won’t have to tell us, we’ll know.
Easy enough to blame Netanyahu; he’s just doing what irresponsible meglomaniacs always do. But the more responsible factor lies closer to home; the abject subjugation of the American political system, Congress, executive/DOS to the Israel Lobby.
McCain & Graham are doing snoopy dances.
And Joe Lieberman is about to call his doctor for an erection lasting longer than four hours.
The irony is that the Saudis apparently want this war as much as does Israel, and are counting on Israel and the US doing their dirty work for them.
Ya got me on that one!
The world will accept that we knew nothing of the attack or had any means of preventing it when we tell them we have had our fingers in our ears and were going “LA-LA-LA-LA-LA….”
More kabuki. It was the US Congress that gave the Bush administration carte blanche to initiate preemptive war based on thought crimes, nonexistent WMD. Now we have the three US Senators, the real Axis of Evil, from the 51st state, strongly advocating an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. The US govt. will probably use the “lubricant” of “humanitarian relief” to give military support to the CIA/Mossad instigators in Syria, as well. Support for both actions surely meets with the approval of our “ally” Saudi Arabia. They can’t tolerate the emerging influence of the Shia in the ME. The unholy US/Israel alliance is the number one purveyor of global terrorism. I’m disgusted and ashamed to be associated with these policies, but unfortunately there’s little we can do to make a difference.
I say don’t even let him enter the country.
Sounds to me as if Obama’s and Netanyahu’s common bosses have decided to bomb Iran.
Netanyahu may be happy, and Obama sad, but there’s nothing either can do about it.
In return for their cooperation, Netanyahu get’s to advance his expansionist agenda and Obama gets to continue making believe he’s in charge.
I’ll bet the US public thinks that the “I” next to Joe Lieberman’s name stands for independent, when it obviously stands for Israel.
BS. Of course they would let the US know (or the other way around – the US would let Israel know when to do it). I read this as Israel playing along with US intentions to deny involvement.
How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
I’m convinced both Obama and Netanyahu are working for the same boss, whose identity we can only guess at.
Israel must inform the US of what’s going on. How else will Obama know when to have checks cuts, bombs resupplied, spare parts delivered, protesters arrested, supportive PR broadcast???
I realize Liberals have an intense hatred of Israel, but Iran IS working on getting the bomb, which if successful would absolutely create a ME arms race. Go watch tv and let Israel do what it needs to do.
If you don’t get a TV you’ll have to wait for the movie……..
I agree.
I agree we WILL know. But not “in advance”. I’ve been saying for a long time that the Israelis will NOT “check” with us before they launch a pre-emptive strike. I think THIS makes it clear.
THe only quewstions my mind is “Is this clear to Ahmadinejad?” Let’s just say, it better be.
Just because I, or anyone, disapprove of Israeli policies does not mean that we hate Israel. Is it okay with you if Israel makes the entire ME explode? I think the leaders have gone mad to even consider such a thing. And I say that we should not encourage nor abet it. It’s crazy.
My reply button is not working, but Jim @22, why should we roll over for the zionists in their desire to dominate the ME? I don’t watch tv, and netanyahu is certainly one to deny the nuclear deterant to anyone else since they have so many. I guess that only the likudniks should be allowed to run things in the ME.
So, what you are saying, if I may put this in “Rocky and Bullwinkle” terms…We KNOW who ees “Fearless Leader”. We don’t know who ees “MR BIG”.
Eees NOT guy from “Sex and the City.”
Can someone explain the difference between being told that a threatened attack has been ordered and not being told? Once you’ve announced that you won’t tell, you’ve already ensured that all will be on heightened alert. If nothing else, this helps the Israeli military locate and monitor the US ghosts in the machine, and who if anyone is trustworthy.
Ain’t it funny though that Bush was warned by bin Laden well in advance.
We need to allow for the fact that there are many OTHER “states” in the ME and adjacent and contiguous countries who do not wish the crazy duo of Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah to posess nucleur weapons. THey just haven’t been as forthcoming as Israel. Many Arab states are just a fearful of those two “wild and crazy guys” as are we.
If Israel attacks Iran, Israel should face international condemnation and absolutely no support from the US. At that point, furthermore, all US aid to Israel should be suspended indefinitely or just eliminated.
Iran getting the bomb has a far better sot of destroying the ME than Israel taking out Iran’s nuke program. S Arabia has already stated they will arm if Iran does.
Thank you for the predictable ‘Zionist’ comment, lest anyone think I was wrong about the intense Liberal hatred of Israel. Check your map, Israel occupies less than 1% of the ME land mass. So much for ‘Zionism.’
Troll alert! He probably believes that Iran wants to destroy Israel, when they really voiced objection to Israel’s oppressive Likud government. I think Jim will murder someone sometime, so he should probably be incarcerated with no right to habeas corpus, immediately.
Link please?
The Saudis know that “you can’t trust another Arab any further than you can thrown him”. And, them Persians are the worst.
Something from over at ZH. Passing it along without comment.
That’s true but how much more unstable can you get than Pakistan? Iran seems a model of decorum by comparison.
No, I believe that a nuclear Iran will destabilize the ME. A destabilized ME will be an extremely bad scenario. I know pro-Israel Liberals are almost non-existent (very sad), but don’t confuse them with ‘trolls.’
These “wild and crazy guys” as portrayed by the corporate US media. I’m sure they’re a really credibile source of information.
It’s too late to destabilize the ME. The U.S. has already accomplished that.
Dude…that’s pretty interesting. Thanks for that! It’s nice to know the game plan “in advcance”.
You don’t have a link to the “Vegas odds” do ya???? NOt that I’m a betting a man. Just curious.
I have always been a big supporter of Israel – I’m not Jewish – but I simply cannot support what they are doing now regarding Iran or the Palestinians. I don’t think the Israeli people want a war with Iran either. Bibi is doing what our president does – ignoring the people.
Seems we are on the glide path to war. All the back room generals have lined up. That includes Johnny Boy, Lindsay the Great and Snoppy Dog Joe. Yeah.
As usual…you have a very valid point. But, one has to look at this from Israel’s perspective. As with roaches, better to treat the nest than try to stomp on all those roaches once they invade your kitchen pantry.
Might be worth throwing $20 on the table…
Don’t care what you “believe”. Israel is the disruptive force, along with the USA, in the ME, not Iran. Progressives are pro-Israel, not pro-Zionist.
Right. Who says we have an “inefffective” foreign policy? Ineffective in what regard???? :-)
Thanks!
One only needs to look at the accompanying photo with this article to see how war equal profits and religion and ideology are nothing more than control mechanisms for the ptb to get humans to kill other humans . American made warplanes and weapons is America’s stock in trade.
Didn’t realize you’d lost your rationality. Now you’ve become a seer. Iran’s crime is that it won’t take orders from the US, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. Their nuclear program is within the bounds of the NNPT which they signed. Israel and India are not signatories to that treaty so perhaps we should attack them. Your statement sounds like you’re channeling Bush/Cheney.
The ME has been destabilized for as long as I can remember. When do you ever remember it was,just such a great place to spend a few weeks kicking back?
So Israel , Being GOD’S CHOSEN, deserves weapons their targets may not possess ,what a fucked up god.
I suspect that this is more about regime change than a nuclear threat from Iran. Recall how we were told from WW II forward that those irrational, world grabbing Ruskies were going to nuke us……until they never did. But the USA was fighting for its own domination of world markets and world resources. Now if Israel wants to adopt a preemptive aggression policy and violate international laws, why should the USA go along with it?? The leaders here in the USA do go along with Israel because they want to, feel politically obliged to do so, or are afraid not to go along with Israel. Well, lookee here, ten American Senators told Obama he must join with Israel to attack Iran. The Israeli people do not want to attack Iran. The American people do not want to attack Iran. Seventy million Iranians do not want us to attack Iran. Just look really carefully at who is driving this charge to war, and don’t forget to look at signals from the EU and from Saudi Arabia.
We’ll double it with this congress.
It has a little more to do with Israel’s neighbors choosing to try to wipe it off the map many times. Targets lol
Obama should sign a bi-lateral non-aggression pact with Iran and not tell Bibi.
The U.S. wars (Carter Doctrine dontcha know) have made it a lot less stable. Although Kermit Roosevelt’s overthrow of Mossedeq sure helped start the newer round. The Brits & the French did their best before they left, but just couldn’t get it quite as divided as the U.S. has managed to do.
It appears we’ve seen this theatrical display before. Is the US & Israel playing some whacked out version of Good Cop vs Bad Cop? The US may be playing the Good Cop – reluctant to smack the Bad Guy (played by Iran) and trying to keep the Bad Cop from going psycho. It’s a distraction because both “cops” want regime change and they want it now.
No, that would be the patriarch Jacob (‘which is Israel’), whose son Joseph was given the task of developing the science of agriculture, which according to James Burke (Connections) developed into civilization itself.
Begging your pardon….I’m not condoning a pre-emptive strike by Israel. I just understand it and fully expect the WILL do it. Hey, I’m NOT gay, but I understnad what “they” see in Ryan Secrest. :-)
Regime change in Iran doesn’t work out so well. If the people of Iran want regime change then they will do what other countries have done in the “Arab Spring” – it’s not for us to do.
BULLSHIT BUDDY go sell your love of death and destruction as GOD’S CHOSEN spokeperson.
We’re talking about the end of life as we now know it with this dickish behavior.
They used to have a nice little beachfront resort on the “Sea of Galilee” around 302 AD. Nice seafood buffet on Sundays.
I agree……THEY started it.
O always needs someone’s skirts to hide behind. His worst two years where when the Ds had control of congress. Had to really get good kabuki writers to figure out his way around that one. After 2010 he could hide behind Rs skirts.
But when it comes to ME, Nuttyyahoo has a skirt as big as those hoop-thingies in GWTW.
Actually, I think the “good cop-bad cop” strategy is pretty sound. Question is, has Ahmadinejad seen enough American TV??????
Some Iranians were very unhappy about their country’s last presidential election, so they must be very unhappy about their president. The Iranian governments, sacred and secular, are probably poised to wage battles on several fronts. The civilian populace could make all the difference.
Iranians are a pretty patient bunch. Only the Cubans can compete with them in “how long they are willing to live under a despotic dictator without a revolution”.
Didn’t “the Shah” actually leave the country and die before they “technically” overthrew him?
Pop always (almost always?) goes with leaders in place when country is attacked, no matter how unpolular. Regime change thru attacking a country is a fool’s choice.
Besides, while Akmydinnerjacket is unpopular in Tehran, he has a lot of support in the sticks.
They won’t warn us, but the AIPAC whores in Congress won’t care. They’ll pass a resolution supporting Israel’s attack just the same. Oh, and maybe upping the annual aid package, just for good measure.
“The civilian populace could make all the difference.”
———–
I know several Iranians. They tell me that those disatisfied with the government in Iran just move here. To many, the “Ayatollah” is more powerful than the Pope or Oprah.
Two wrongs don’t make a right: I have been to the Holocaust museums in Jerusalem and in Washington, D.C.. I have seen the fruits of war in the deaths of neighbors and friends in Vietnam. Now it is my turn to be the old man and to say to these warriors: “Enough”. I saw thousands killed in Gaza in January of 2009. Thousands killed in Southern Lebanon. “You cannot have the lives of my neighbors children who are in the U.S. Army and managed to survive Iraq and Afghanistan.” You don’t have permission to turn my family into the next collateral murder video when the retaliatory strikes hit us here at home. Enough. We don’t want any more war. We hate war. We promise to completely despise any leader who starts another war!
Prez Barry O’bama needs to whack Bibi with his shillelagh and state for the world to hear, that the US will not participate in Israeli national suicide. Time for some tough love. Until Israel is forced to negotiate with neighboring states, there will never be any Mideast peace. Once Israel realizes they alone are responsible for their future, maybe the voters there will sweep the Zionists from power forever.
You’ve mangled the quote, it’s “Pop always said ‘Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer’.”
Family analogy. My older brother, a preteener at the time so I was too young to remember but this is lore, so it must be accurate, came home from school one day messed up from some fisticuffs. Our mother, in trying to get to the bottom of the mess, asked him who had started the fight. In his inimitable fashion he stated: I hit him back first.
Both work.
Oh, then you were joshing @36 when you said Persians are Arabs.
I also know Iranian expats, one whose father was one of the Shah’s finance ministers, was brought up in England, attended public school there (here we call them private or boarding schools), was called ‘n*****’ by the Brit brats, and says Iran’s nuclear weapon ambitions are to control its own population, not to threaten anyone else.
I imagine that the reason for the talk between Bibi & Obama is to make sure they’re both on the same page of their To Do list: first take out Syria (“Hey, Bibi, we’re arming those gangs!”) and then take out Iran (“Bibi, let the sanctions soften them up. Be patient, you’ll still get a chance to kill something! Remember, I’ve still got to get re-elected.”)
I’m feeling sick.
See new edit, Mod
LOL!
That wasn’t a reply to @1
Surely the get “NYPD Blue” over there……….
Looks like Assad got temp victory in Syria.
Can you imagine what O would have done should there have been foreign armed resistance in U.S.? Insert-name-of-location-here would have looked worse than Fallujah.
“Homs” ended being a “Bay of Pigs” when nobody came to their help like in Libya.
No joking, please comrade.
Here’s hoping that Russia and/or China has done just that… except now they need to tell us and Bibi to ward off the pre-emptive strike against the non-existent nuke weapon program.
Oh yah, how’s that Libya thingy going for the r2p folks.
Interesting wikileaks doc about how Russia & Israel combined against Iran.
Concur! I guess O & NATO are still light-headed from their recent Excellent Libyan Adventure and are now ready to replicate it in Syria before heading on to Tehran.
Going back to my Kermit Roosevelt comment earlier, he wrote his memoir after ayatollah returned. Memoir is 1980ish. Kermie did think overthrow was just a grand adventure, so much fun. No recognition whatsoever of blowback.
Occupy AIPAC: Saying No to K Street Control of Congress and War on Iran…
…It is only appropriate that we stand in solidarity with the Arab demonstrators who risked their lives to demand the ouster of their dictators. AIPAC stood on former Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak’s side for years and is now using its power to encourage support in Congress for war with Iran. AIPAC’s preferred policies support the current right-wing Israeli government and go directly against the American people’s interests. And AIPAC has a reputation of bullying those who support real diplomacy. Last year an alleged member of AIPAC physically assaulted and injured me when I interrupted Prime Minister Netanyahu’s misrepresentations to Congress. Thomas Friedman was altogether right when he noted late last year in the New York Times that Netanyahu should understand that “the standing ovation he got in Congress… was not for his politics. That ovation was bought and paid for by the Israel lobby.” It was a pathetic and abject display by the US Congress, but it is the reality Americans face as war with Iran looms on the horizon.
Have you read Stephen Kinzer’s All the Shah’s Men? His description of Kermit and Operation Ajax reads like something out of a Grade B movie. Highly recommend it if you haven’t already done so.
Interesting yes, but your link includes many qualifiers as to the veracity of the alleged intell swap.
Looking for insight or analysis for avoiding ‘war’, finding none here. How about alternate takes, like if there is no attack, if talks break out instead. Any predictions?
I haven’t read that but Kermie’s memoir is a hoot & a half. Have read another Kinzer book and have high respect for him but doubt that he could outdo Kermie’s unintentional self-mockery.
Not linking so much for its veracity but instead to probe extent to which there are wheels within wheels.
Another example: Had to put down Seale’s bio of Asad (his spelling) pere at 1973 war when Egypt betrayed Syria. Seale’s book was pub in 1988. Just the other day, this came up.
Thanks for recommending Kermit’s memoir.
Very true but the left in the US prefers to dump only on Israel and not the Arab nations that are pushing – and providing fly over rights – for this attack to happen so as to preserve Sunni over Shi’ites in the Muslim world.
You actually believe that life in Cuba was better under US control with Batista, rather than under Castro? Infuckingcredible.
Saudis have maintained plausible deniability better than U.S. On just about all their sins. They are better at hiding behind
skirtsrobes than even O is.I’ll also put Kinzer’s book on my list. His Overthrow is exactly the book I was looking for for 3-4 years before I read it in 06.
Actually our sanctions have caused them to resent the West:
This from a visitor to Iran from Occupy:
“In addition, she said United Nations sanctions against Iran are “really hitting the poor and middle-class people” and undercutting opportunities for uprising from within.
“It sort of positions people against the West rather than allowing them to find spaces of dissent within their own country,” Gautney said. “It sort of unifies the country, and it gives them something to unify around.”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/03/01/us-professors-travel-to-iran-to-discuss-occupy-wall-street-movement/#ixzz1nuLxlw87
I think Lieberman and McCain will have four weeks’ worth of erections once war begins, and they won’t need Viagra to do it. For them, war is the strongest aphrodisiac.
Let the venal backpedaling begin in earnest…
Obama officials talk tough on Iran ahead of Netanyahu visit…
Bombs away…! *gah*
You’re rapidly losing me DDay. I hate to say it but once again you seem to suggest that Iran is pursuing a weapon AND THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF THAT! Even if you aren’t suggesting a weapons program, this needs to be pointed out every, single time it’s mentioned, rather than just dropping the phrase “nuclear program” and leaving it at that.
The truth will out.
Wow!
The decision’s been made. No longer necessary to talk about the fine points, as in truth.
I had exactly this discussion with a friend before the Iraq invasion. But THERE ARE NO WMD’S I ASSERTED. He looked at me like I had 3 eyes and said, “That’s irrelevant. The U.S. is invading.” He was right and I was wrong.
Boy, you’re quite the troll. I said nothing of the sort.
The decision’s been made. No longer necessary to talk about the fine points, as in truth.
It is only a matter of time now, It’s so f*cking maddening…! *gah*
It may be irrelevant but the day I throw up my hands and give up trying is the day they wrap my in my funeral shroud. Maybe you can stand to just watch the world go by but I can’t. Nor will I! And I hope nobody likes it.
More power to you.
Okay. How the hell does CUBA = Iran? They both have four letters and are hated by the US PTB but other than that, they couldn’t be less similar.
And less to you apparently. Some of us want a better future but I guess when you have everything you’ll ever want, you can afford apathy.
Man, I hope so.
Do you mean to tell me that our fierce warrior president/Nobel Peace Prize laureate doesn’t plan to call Bibi’s bluff by telling him that whichever government attacks first in the Middle East will feel our mighty Nuclear Grapes of Wrath rain down upon them?
Jim…doesn’t the US have a boner trying to get these middle eastern countries to emulate the United States. Come on Jim, what could possibly be more American than getting a nuke?? WE should be celebrating Iran’s “Americanization” no?? I don’t get your complaints.
Isn’t this a good time to suggest cutting Israel’s allowance? And then doing it?
Yeah, pretty simple fact that’s left out by media.
I think CTuttle nailed it a few days ago in a diary, it’s all electioneering posturing . . .
Most know that an Israeli attack with or without US (without is a joke) is a global disaster . . . .
Russia
China
Pakistan
India
France
Germany
Britain
Sorry, but this is all agit-prop, as should be obvious by now.
The USG really, seriously needs plausible deniability and this is one feeble attempt at getting it.
“We weren’t warned and now we have to get into this shitstorm, because apparently we’re a bunch of know-nothing wankers,” or so the presser will reveal.
Dammit, this is getting really old.
The ME was a washed up backwater after their period of enlightenment during the Dark Ages (they were a gift to mankind in SO many ways at their height of civilization) until WW1 militarized the entire globe and began consuming mass quantities of gasoline for war and war machines.
N the ME was back on the pap, not for mankinds progression, but for its downfall.
N it’s been a major clusterphuck ever since WW1, because of it.
Nice, pretty much as CTuttle laid out a few days ago, with his TRUMP card being it’s all hasbara to cover up settlement encroachment and Palistinean abuses, ongoing all the while as the trumpets of war sound and the cry of havoc makes the hounds quiver n anticipation.
Meh.
No attacks, ever.
Russia.
China.
Pakistan.
India.
Nukes.
Germany, France, Britain.
Oil n nukes.
It all adds up to one global clusterphuck and a huge global population reduction in a very, very short time should Israel attack Iran.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Wish everyone would get that, and quit mouthing and echoing the jive of media and such cow towing to neocons, Likud, and the corporate fascist asshats who own the globe and every thing on it.
Even the global corporate fascists few wouldn’t want this attack, it puts THEM at risk for their future in terms of profits and well, nue fallout knows NO barriers.
Simple. No attack.
Ever.
;-)
Uh, no mention of Iran there, just Russia, Georgia and Israel?????
N Russia has business with Iran, it’s loyalty is to that, not Israel I don’t think, not any measure I know of according to Cole, Escobar, Giraldi, et al ad infinitum or even CTuttle!!! lol
Anyhoots, you’ve made some great comments on this thread and elsewhere for ever about this issue, with lots of links and I appreciate it all.
Me, no attack, never.
Russia.
China.
Pakistan.
India.
Europe needs Iranian oil, and they need gas and oil pipelines from further east that might run thru Iran . . .
No attacks.
Tuttle nailed it, it’s electioneering and cover for Israeli abuse of Palistinineans and their lands.
Hoss, your diary a few days ago regarding electioneering and cover ups for Israeli further abuse and incursions against Paistineans was brilliant, loaded with links and impossible to refute or ignore.
Yer best evah, hoss.
*G*
Wish all of FDL folks would read it and GET it.
No attack.
Russia.
China.
Pakistan.
India.
N gas and oil routes, Afghanistan, Turkey (don’t FUCK with The Turks) and so on.
Corporate fascist business likely does not want this war, by any means.
Neither do the 1% if one subscribes to the thot there are global families of hundreds of years who control and manipulate wealth to their advantage (Bilderberg/Tri Lateral Commission/Council Foreign Affairs and more I can’t recall). They would all suffer if Israel attacks Iran, the whole planet will suffer.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
N if it does I’ll eat crow. ;-)
Heh, US gambling interests would say HAYALL YES!
;-)
But now the mob is legal and on wall street.
;-)
Yeah, again, Tuttle nailed it all . . .
Electioneering.
Cover up for settlement expansion.
It’s all hasbara!!!
As to yer critique of Mr. Dayen’s writing, I’ve no answer, it is what it is.
Funny he’d get something like that either wrong or overlook it or fail to emphasize it . . . not like him.
Can’t believe you think that . . . Escobar, Giraldi, Cole, many others say rhetoric is up, but attack no.
Heck, even YOU posted info saying no attack and why!!
You buy this hasbara crap? NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
No attack, it’s doom for all, not even the 1% families want that.
It’s manipulation just to fan the thots of war . . . you know this. Why did you go off the deep end of fatalism there will be an attack?
Killin me, just when I agree with ya, you FLOP like a gator with a wildebeast in it’s jaws. ;-)
Sure, that’s a given, only . . . our erected offals are bought and paid for by the corporate fascists who run and own us all, including our erected and annointed offals.
So, that ain’t gonna happen.
Not ever.
Nope, short of a US revolution, impending global horrors after an attack on Iran, mama nature’s wrath and the inevitable collapse of our empire (they all collapse once they fail to account for the benefit of the masses, history shows this) it’s gonna be business as usual, massed be damned here and abroad, and the decline will continue until the walls of the 1% fall once again, as they have in the past.
;-)
Thank you.
No attack it’s all a smokescreen for two reasons.
Elections and Israeli settlement incursions and abuses of Palistineans.
Welcome to where I think sanity prevails!
*G*
Oh well, they all went away and I was late to the dance once again.
Got my fonts in on it, tho.
;-)
Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to either Col. Lang/ Philip Giraldi/ b at MOA, or any other’s, Larue…? It’s going to be a ‘false flag’ op that sparks it, and It’s only a matter of time…! 8-(
In your comment it wasn’t evident that you supported Castro rather than Batista and US interests. Your support for the Israeli govt.’s perspective engendered my remark. Try to be more specific in your comments and this misunderstanding won’t recur.
I stated nothing of the sort, but since you think I did, both countries were the victims of US support for the dictators that oppressed these nations for the benefit of the US. I’m sure you’re aware of those facts.