For those thinking that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would say one thing in public and another in private while in the White House, you can probably put that to rest. For reports are leaking out about that White House meeting, and the best that can be said about it is that Netanyahu hasn’t put the bombers into the sky just yet:
Benjamin Netanyahu assured President Barack Obama on Monday that Israel has not made any decision on attacking Iran’s nuclear sites, sources close to the talks said, but the Israeli prime minister gave no sign of backing away from possible military action.
With Obama appealing for more time to allow international sanctions to work against Tehran, the two men agreed to keep up their coordination on the issue, but differences remained on how to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons [...]
Behind closed doors, Netanyahu confirmed to Obama that Israel has yet to decide whether to hit Iran’s nuclear sites, though it retains the right to use military action, the sources close to the meeting said.
But there was no immediate sign that Obama’s sharpened rhetoric against Tehran and his plea for Israeli restraint had caused Netanyahu to reconsider what Washington fears could be a rush to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.
Meanwhile, Netanyahu later last night addressed AIPAC and said, “None of us can afford to wait much longer. As prime minister of Israel, I will never let my people live in the shadow of annihilation.”
So isn’t this the imminent attack on foreign soil that Eric Holder was talking about, the one we cannot wait to become operationalized? (removes tongue from cheek)
Netanyahu held a prop in his AIPAC speech, a letter from the US Department of War turning down a request from world Jewish leaders to bomb Auschwitz. The implications are terrifying. Here, by the way, was the summation of the evidence presented by Netanyahu to contradict the consensus of the US intelligence community and, if reports are to be believed, the Israeli intelligence community:
“Amazingly, some people refuse to acknowledge that Iran’s goal is to develop nuclear weapons. You see, Iran claims that it’s enriching uranium to develop medical research. Yeah, right,” he said. “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then what is it? That’s right, it’s a duck. But this duck is a nuclear duck and it’s time the world started calling a duck a duck.”
So “I said so is why” will stand as the logical basis for military attack. Good for the Guardian for pointing out that US intelligence maintains that Iran has in fact not decided yet to build a bomb.
If this wasn’t “loose talk of war” I don’t know what is. You see it everywhere. As Paul Werdel expertly pointed out, the chyron on former AIPAC lobbyist Wolf Blitzer’s show read, “A military strike on Iran’s nukes?” The potential has become temporal. They just have nukes now. The goalposts have shifted. It’s no different than what Mitt Romney did in his op-ed today, only it’s coming from CNN.
If a rush to war looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. And in this case, we’ve seen this duck before and it doesn’t end well.




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And the ultimate irony is we’ll need Atomic Weapons , AKA weapons of mass deestruction, by the way of bunker busters loaded with depleted uranium. Don’t worry the DOD assures us there will be no negative effects from the dust cloud .
I’m wondering what Israel would use against Iran. A 15 ton MOP can’t be carried on a fighter, and it would seem a MOP would be the only thing capable of possibly getting to a deep underground bunker. Maybe they’re contemplating cargo planes with fighter escort. All sitting ducks, if Russian or Chinese “visitors” show solidarity with Iran by temporarily stationing interceptor forces there. Would that be an effective deterrent?
And the 5000 pounders. . . An F-16 might carry what, three or four of those? Or maybe only two mindful of the distance? That won’t do much. And if they’re attacked by other fighters they’ll have to drop their load short of target, or likely get shot down.
But suppose Israel did somehow blow up underground bunkers containing Iran’s nuke ops there. What becomes of Iran’s nuke material billowing up from underground? How much of it will there be and where will it drift in the wind?
Hillary Mann Leverett says that O has agreed to Nuttyahoo’s terms for war on Iran in second term. Phrase of art is “stay on current course,” meaning completely open to inspection, civilian power/medical isotope program, which Iran will not give up. She agrees there was never an intent on the part of any prez to negotiate with Iran. The only saving grace is that the intent is to so weaken Iran by sanctions, complete embargo, other actions, first that it, like Iraq, becomes a pushover. That will take time.
BTW, Valerie Plame notwithstanding, HML says she never saw any evidence that Iran ever had a nuke bomb program except for the ridiculously forged ‘smoking laptop.’ When I asked Plame on a book salon awhile ago whether there was any other evidence for her claim that Iran had one but ‘gave it up in 2003,’ she ignored my Q.
(My bold. David, why did you type those words?)
A letter from WWII is his justification? I am sure we have some of our own letters we could hold up and read as examples of our sovereignty being violated through espionage.
What a crock to use an old “prop”. Is this some kind of blackmail?
I hope you’re correct about HML, and hope she is correct.
Yet I wonder if she would be among a tiny handful of insiders who would be privy *and* free to speak such, rather than to postulate off the cuff.
Could also be disinformation. Time will tell.
Is our protector, our Nuclear Umbrella a metasticized cancer ?
Talk about packaged death, the biggest, bestest bang for the buck, prepackaged suicide but they sure did shorten the last war when that was over.
Rare photo of Bibi…
Any time someone says, in the course of trying to convince me: “You see”, well, I know the speaker is trying to convince him/herself.
Blitzer should be called on the carpet for the “bomb Iran’s nukes” bit on his program. That’s naked misinformation.
Leveretts (both of them) left USG over the invasion of Iraq. They both worked in D and R admins. Neither has ever said anything that wiggles my BS detector. They are in my hero column, not yet developed feet of clay.
BTW, HML says there will be war with Iran in O’s second term. Do you favor war? Is that why you hope she is right?
Allegations that the state of Israel is in the shadow of annihilation due to Iran; comparison of now to past failures of the world to protect Jewish people in WWII; claims that Iranian leaders are not rational actors and that they cannot be negotiated with through diplomacy so as to undermine Obama’s argument on behalf of ‘letting sanctions work’; and finally, asserting the existence of a nuclear bomb program that Iranians dropped plans for in 2003 according to the 2007 NIE. Listening to Netyanhu was like listening to the Bush/Cheney/Rice/Powell bomb-Iraq team and we know how that worked out.
When you look clearly at the broad accusations made against the Iranian leaders and the Iranian people, you have to entertain the idea, that Israel’s leaders and USA’s leaders are engaging in racism against Iranians. Accusations that they lie, cannot be trusted, are irrational, and are ‘evil’ sound a lot like how one group devalues the basic humanity of another group whom they fear or hate.
Meanwhile the sanctions really do hurt everyday Iranians (not the leaders). But the response of the everyday person to deprivations is to unite against the manipulation of outside foreign powers. Wouldn’t we Americans rail against people who manipulated our oil markets, raising the price of gas, and blame those Wall Street manipulators and speculators instead of calling for regime change of our own government??? So don’t expect the Iranians to respond to sanctions except by further uniting against the USA and Israel and the EU.
Israel wants Iran destroy (as do the Saudis) so that they (I&S) maintain their hegemony in the region.
Iran never had a nuke weapon program. See second paragraph of 3.
Netanyahu has Obama by the ‘nads. It’s not too much of a stretch to say that he can decide if Obama has a chance at a second term or not. Does Bibi prefer a republican in the White House? If one piece of Israeli ordinance goes into Iran, the answer will be “Yes!”.
That leaves us with Obama bribing him to, at the least, hold off on an attack until AFTER our election in November.
And eCahn’s as right as can be about Israel and the Saudis sharing the same desire to keep Iran’s mid-east stock from going up. In fact, if Israel decides to attack Iran, I’d bet money that the Saudis have already told them they can use their airspace to get there.
We already ran this in Iraq where our humane SOS madeline claimed that 500,000 dead children from ten years of sanctions were well worth it. So what’s the number of dead Iranian children a Million or 2 before we feel a twinge of guilt ?
Netanyahu’s ability to speak to the fears and the traumatized in his speech last night, and his ability to engage the emotional mind, was truly shocking. I think most Americans are afraid to even “think” of challenging Netanyahu’s lies. It was truly high-drama, spell binding stuff.
The point of sanctions is to hollow out the country to the extent to which it will be a pushover when invaded. Guessing that’s what Albright was talking about.
Not to me. To me he seems like someone suffering from Freud’s female hysteria.
Liz Cheney was at AIPAC on Sunday and beating the drums for war. Picked up right where Deferrment Dick left us in 2003.
I guess the Israelis have had Saudi overflight rights for a long time, maybe since forever.
It’s funny (or would be if it weren’t to serious) how long it took me to figure out that the Israelis and Saudis are allies. They are both BFF of the U.S.
It seems to me that the only question now is when we are going to attack Iran militarily. Will nuttyahoo (to steal eCHAN’s appelation) force the issue and go before the US election, or allow 0 to look statesman like and wait until after the election? If jeb gets in the race there is a good chance that 0 will lose anyway.
re: Israelis and Saudis…I think this is a case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” The Saudi Royal family looks upon Iran and Irag as threats to their peaceful enjoyment of their billion$$$$. Can’t hardly blame them for that. And, towards that goal, The US and Israel are natural allies.
Like they say, the only thing better than owning a trampoline, is having a neighbor that owns a trampoline.
I think that’s not quite right. As I understand it, both I&S have hegemony in the area, but owing to diff factors. The Israelis bc they are so militaristic and the Saudis bc they are Sunnis and have the best oil. The latter don’t make a lot of noise that is reported in the U.S. but sometimes you read how askeerd they are about the Shia crescent. The area of Saudi Arabia with Ghawar, the world’s largest oil field (currently known) has a majority Shia pop, which extends along the crescent until Iran. With Shia now in charge in both Iran and Iraq (thanks to U.S.), the erosion of Saudi hegemony is significant, even though Shia are only 10-15% of Muslims.
Ditto Syria, controlled by a small majority called Alewites, often referred to as a Shia offshoot.
Question then is like John f.Kennedy or more towards the Dan Quayle type of statesman ?
“evidence for her claim that Iran had one but ‘gave it up in 2003′”
As I recall the only public evidence was an Imam saying that they had stopped the effort because getting atomic weapons was against the principles that being a Muslim required.
They have changed Imam’s since then. The medical need – the research reactor need – was filled a couple of years ago – so this is all a waste of money, or it is the cost of running a bluff and getting some respect, or it is a program to get near a weapon (say 6 months away) as a talking point in the future, or it is a program to get a weapon ASAP. Intent is hard to determine.
Thanks for the update. All them a-rabs look alike to me. THAT explains a lot.
I learn alot from you. Plus, I get to look up new words every day.
Real win-win.
I agree – Saudi agreement (but perhaps not flying airforce cover) – is likely already in place.
YOU really threw a BUNCH Of variable into the mix.
Thank heavens we have the best intelligence network in the world at our disposal……the Israelis. /s
If I may ask my learned colleagues……
Do yo think Ahmadinejad is crazy enough to “give” the US or Israel sufficient inducement to lauch a military attack???? I’ve watched this guy. I don’t think he IS a nut. But, I was wrong with Sadam Hussein and Charlie sheen.
Both grand ayatollahs have foresworn nuke weapons and Khomeini even foreswore use of chemical weapons as being unIslamic after Saddam attacked them with them. Khamanei’s rejection of nuke weapons has been manifold, including repeating it within the last week or so.
Medical isotope need grand bargain was set to go & U.S. threw a monkey wrench into it, so Iran’s needs have not been met on that front.
The nuclear power need is to that their oil supplies are available to export to pay for imports that they can’t produce themselves.
What? You never heard of the smoking laptop???? And the green salt method of producing whatever isotope you need. It’s a hoot ‘n a half.
I think we know this is not about nukes but Iran’s support of Hamas & Hezbollah and especially its refusal to trade in petrodollars. Where’s the discussion of the latter? We saw what happened to Saddam & Ghadaffi when they did it. Also watch out, Venezuela. Looks to me like it’s the international banking cartel that has Obama by the nuts, and the same will go for any installed puppet president. They all serve the same masters which are driving our country to ruin.
He’s only half as crazy as his mistranslations and characterizations you read in the U.S. press.
Israel & U.S. & prolly Saudis have agents provacateurs running all over Iran and they haven’t bitten yet, much to the dismay of I, S, U.S. Guessing they won’t, but who knows.
If he doesn’t (he’s just suffered a major setback in local elections), he’s up for reelection next year, iirc. He might mind his Ps&Qs until then.
If all that happens as I’ve sketched out, there will have to be a Gulf of Tonkin or Remember-the-Maine excuse.
“500,000 dead children” is based on the death rate increase after (the condemn by the group making the 500,000 claim) GH Bush banning of chlorine exports to Iraq – a boycott Congress did not “allow” Clinton to modify (albeit he could have just taken the heat for giving Iraq the supplies to make chemical weapons).
It is moot as what part of the increased death rate -to the child deaths – was caused by Iraq stealing food aid meant for the kids, or was caused by the Iraq gov stealing aid meant for the water system, and that which was caused from lack of chlorine to put into the water.
Sadly the current enrichment push serves no domestic power or research need. They have shown they can re-supply their reactors without aid from the west (although some in the west claim they are close but not really able to do so and the photo op and speech was about last weeks election).
Moving from the current 800+ machines enriching U238 to 3000 machines – the stated goal over the next year – serves no purpose other than to get a weapon. The other 2200 machines are already in place in Iran – why?
Albright (or Aldim as I am fond of calling her) did not dispute the figure.
BTW, don’t forget that the vaunted idf lost to that powerful war machine, Hezbollah, and the idf can’t forgive that. Since Iran is Hezbollah’s biggest supporter, nuttyahoo and the likudniks want to punish Iran. Somehow the feeling seems to be that with a quick strike by the idf and our forces, Iran will roll over and bow to our combined hegemony. I think that this ‘thinking’ is nonsense. Our nation will probably go bankrupt and the israelis will have to resort to nuclear weapons based on “they made me do it.” Of course the nuclear dust will all be contained within Iran and we will feel no effects at all from this war.
I agree – Ahmadinejad is not crazy and indeed in some ways the good guy of Iranian politics.
Indeed Ahmadinejad is the “peace” side versus the Supreme leader who speaks of never getting a weapon as he also demands full speed ahead on putting everything needed to put a nuke bomb over Israel and the EU.
Do you think they “understand” that if the US and Israel “are convinced” they are near to producing a nucleur weapon that Israel, with or without US support or consent, will very likely try to damage that capability????
eCAHN thinks a “precipitous event” would be required to initiate a military strike.
The math is simple – two death rates and a population and multiply.
And lack of Chlorine makes for unsafe water and unsafe water causes diarrhea and death in children. Hard to argue with any of that.
I was only upset to find how simple it was – the only US act was adding Chlorine to the banned products list so as to stop Chemical Ali from redoing his thing a second time in southern Iraq.
Israel will not need an event, in my opinion – but I have been wrong so often I don’t bet on me being right on anything (the wife can explain and detail just how often I am wrong).
But the Israeli attack on Syria’s new “secret research reactor” did not need an event – and we were not told in advance. I don’t recall an event before the Israeli attack on the Iraq nuke reactor.
“Never Again” is more than just two words in Israel.
I don’t exactly trust him – he’s apparently a Hojjatieh millenarian, but that being said, I don’t think he’d have his hands on the nuclear trigger.
What is the casus belli here? I appreciate that neither Israel nor the United States regard themselves as bound by international law (just like an unnamable German dictator), but the rest of the world sees things differently, and are bound to react to an attack lacking even the patina of legal justification for preemptive war. Israel’s fears are not legal justification.
Thank you.
That was what I was getting at in my comment at 4.
Simple and to the point Knut.
The last part of your reply to newcarguy engenders the question that has never been sufficiently researched and answered. Was 9/11 an inside job or not?
Interesting that the Zionists running the Israeli govt. are so belligerent towards their Arab neighbors(except S.A.) and the Persians, when it was the Nazis who were responsible for the holocaust. I’ve never understood why the Zionists embrace the tactics employed by the Nazi regime when it comes to Gaza? Both peoples are semites.
No, I don’t favor war.
I just hope that she is right that nothing that way would commence until O’s second term. Even some breathing room is welcome at the moment.
Yet as you say, she left USG. So she’s out of the loop, no? I doubt those in the know would confide.