Lindsey Graham was one of the more vocal critics of the withdrawal of troops from Iraq. He said that the Obama Administration “failed” by not being able to secure an agreement with the Iraqi government to allow troops to stay beyond the end of 2011. He added that “I fear this decision has set in motion events that will come back to haunt our country.”
That’s the context for Graham’s most recent remarks on Afghanistan, where he pronounced himself “ready to pull the plug.” Take note of the reasons for his ennui.
Graham, who has been one of the strongest congressional supporters for continuing the U.S. military mission in Afghanistan beyond 2014, said today that unless Karzai relents on his demands that the United States immediately hand over control of Afghan prisoners and end night raids against insurgents, there is no way the U.S. can achieve its objectives in Afghanistan and therefore should just end its involvement there.
“If the president of the country can’t understand how irrational it is to expect us to turn over prisoners and if he doesn’t understand that the night raids have been the biggest blow to the Taliban … then there is no hope of winning. None,” Graham said in the hallways of the Capitol Building just before entering the GOP caucus lunch.
“So if he insists that all the prisoners have to be turned over by March 9 and that we have to stop night raids, that means we will fail in Afghanistan and that means Lindsey Graham pulls the plug. It means that I no longer believe we can win and we might as well get out of there sooner rather than later.”
First of all, as Jim White points out, the prisons will get turned over to the Afghans over a six-month period, in all likelihood. And the Afghans have been all too happy to torture prisoners rather than letting them loose in the streets.
But consider that this dispute between the US and Afghanistan mirrors the dispute with Iraq. In Iraq, US officials wanted to keep troops in the country under the protection of legal immunity. Iraq considered it a red line, refused to grant immunity, and as a result we pulled our troops out. In Afghanistan, the situation is very similar. The US wants to continue night raids. Karzai considers that a red line. As a result, Graham wants to pull our troops out. The same guy who criticized the Obama Administration for “losing” Iraq wants to “lose” Afghanistan, on his terms, with a pullout.
Personally I don’t mind the hypocrisy. I think we should take Graham up on his offer. We have no business in Afghanistan anymore, and if transferring detainees to their prisons is a prelude to getting out, I’d welcome it. So let’s thank Lindsey Graham for joining the Out of Afghanistan caucus.




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We had no business in Iraq or Afghanistan in the first place. Just as we have no business in Iran.
Thanks DDay.
Agree, let’s take Lindsay up on his offer.
The pos is probably just shaking down his defense contractor buddies, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing…..
They need his help to keep outsourcing U.S. defense work.
Counterfeit parts from China found on Raytheon, Boeing systems
Agree.
Yes or any other nation for that matter.
During the cold war, and maybe still today, Brazil made spare parts for Soviet military equipment. According to my “source” (late husband), the Brazilians did it a lot better than the Soviets. The latter’s equipment was so bad, you had to know (presumably from serial numbers) where it had been manufactured and in what particular way the parts were ill fitting. Apparently the Brazilians were better at keeping those records than the Soviets.
At least that’s the family lore, and I’m sticking with it, as it makes a good story.
We all know what’s going to happen in Afghanistan when we leave. They will go back to living in the 17th century with the men in complete control and women being of zero importance – and we can’t stop it. We could stay there 25 years and it wouldn’t change so we need to get out now. We cannot change a culture.
Soviet occupation moved some Afghani women towards modernity. They brought some to be educated in Soviet schools and trained as doctors. They went home & oriented their practices towards women. That was one of the great tragedies of the Taliban winning the civil war. Those women had to quit practicing, stay home, and other women had no access to medical care, since they couldn’t go to male doctors.
Agreed…I never thought I would agree with Lindsey Graham until he finally came out, but yes I agree.
That hit the proverbial nail on the head.
Boy howdy……our country has a steep learning curve.
“I fear this decision has set in motion events that will come back to haunt our country.”
No, Mr. Graham, the events that will come back to haunt our country were put in motion back in 2003 when we invaded Iraq.
Careful…….watch that guy. Whenever he starts to make sense, I’m wondering what he has up his sleeve.
Apparently,, when it comes to “losing wars”, the senator has a “flexibility of conviction” just like Romney.
Agreed, THAT boat has already left the dock.
I’ve been trying to buy some “proverbial nails”. You know where I can get some? Lowes doesn’t carry them.
Night raids , bombing from 30,000 feet and drone warfare sure are the most honest , open and foolproof way of killing the right people without being exposed to much danger.
Does this clown have a wet spot in his pants talking about a “midnight raids ” ?
http://www.axiomatic hardware.com
Did Miss Lindsey just wake up from a dream where she was anointed Queen of the USA?
Goes back much farther than 2003, to at least 1953 in Iran with the overthrow of Mossadegh and the installation of the Shah.
In a bold move Queen Lindsey pulls the troops out so that they can be deployed to Iran on the first day of a Newt Gingrich administration.
Excellent idea, Lindsey! As a fellow South Carolinian (“too small for a republic; and too large for an insane asylum” James Petigru: Feb., 1861.) I heartily endorse your courageous (if belated) stand to get us out of “Enduring Clusterfuck #1″…IF the Afghans won’t let us hone our nocturnal search-and-destroy skills on their men, women, and children.
The selfish wogs demonstrate (along with the Iraqis) a level of ingratitude that is breathtaking.
By all means, let us substitute real (and taxpayer funded) viagra for the chaotic and astronomically expensive surrogate stuff that we’ve been scarfing on for, lo, these many years.
I realize that every time our bold liberationists have droned another wedding party into whatever bogus afterlife their pagan tomfool religion dangles for them, it means that you and the rest of the real patriots get a collective hard-on that a cat couldn’t scratch, but after all of the flying body parts and white-hot thirst for revenge that our efforts to make Afghanistan safe for the Fortune 500 have ginned up, surely enough is enough, and I’m delighted that you, too, are ready to bring ‘em home.
Your bud in paying eternal homage to John C. Calhoun and Strom Thurmond, TB.