The first thing that popped in my head yesterday was the massacre by Lt William Calley in Vietnam in the ’60s. Before yesterday I think we hadn’t had anything quite approaching that despite all that’s happened in Afghanistan so far.

But this time, is it history repeating itself? I wonder if there will be a war crimes trial, or if nowadays it gets chalked up to a derangement and the shooter isn’t held responsible for the act. Time will tell.

Gotta call on Colin Powell to write the coverup report.

Lieutenant Calley.

he is on Ambien now,and they have Kissenger to sub

imo…nothing will happen,no female privates available to take the fall

US should assume Iran seeks nukes: Kissinger

(AFP)

12 March 2012

WASHINGTON — Former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger said in an interview on Sunday that the United States should assume that Iran is actively preparing to build nuclear weapons.

Kissinger, 88, was asked on the CNN show “GPS” if the threat of an Iranian nuclear weapon was so dire that Israel would need to launch a military strike in the near future.

“I am very uneasy with the so-called intelligence report that say we don’t know whether they are actually working on nuclear weapons,” Kissinger told CNN

maa, thanks. No Hugh Thompson, Jr. in Kandahar.

Colorado Territory Militia at the Sand Creek Massacre 1864

7th Cavalry at Wounded Knee 1890 was payback for Little Big Horn.

The soldier acted alone from the grassy knoll firing magic bullets.

The understandable mention of My Lai reminded me from whom I a learned about Hugh Thompson, Jr. I had never heard of him until Mary Beth Perdue mentioned him in a thread.

I never thought I could feel so much pain over the loss of someone I never met. She was a great patriot and a great humanitarian.

i just read that Calley walked…omg didnt know that…..oy

The Assassinator in Chief runs the show, his drone kills good- these kill bad ?

Quick eric get out a copy of that declaration of war to see just what we expect to win.

You’re the Attorney General claiming we”are at war”,well where the hell is the declaration ?

An act, AUMF, cannot supersede the constitution EVER !

I call the “lone gunman’ the Tillmanization of the story.

Obama was such a coward when he doubled down on Afghanistan. At least we can hope that his moral cowardice will push him to leave now that staying would make him feel bad.

Yes, separate from this incident, the assassinations of citizens with the AUMF is pretty firm evidence of them being unconstitutional. With allegations that Awlaki was a soldier waging war against the US, treason is the only crime explicitly spelled out in the Constitution and Awlaki wasn’t so much as indicted, but merely Obama leaking to the press, which is hardly checks-and-balances. If a citizen is falling under an AUMF that would mean Constitutionally you’d have to go after them for Treason, not that a lack of an AUMF would itself let you assassinate.

Obama is like the opposite of Lord Nelson putting the telescope over his blind eye – Obama does the same thing by simply not investigating so no evidence is found – where he does it to cover-up rather than out of bravery. If Obama can avoid it, no evidence will be found (because he won’t let evidence be looked for) of multiple gun men.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2108798,00.html

lone crazy?

Why are we there?

he is simply an awful human being…phoooooooey!

I just can’t understand why the Afghan people don’t appreciate the overall good work being done for them.

2001 St. Petersburg times

“KORAK DANA, Afghanistan – U.S. attacks on the Taliban’s southern headquarters of Kandahar hit a bus at the city gates Thursday, killing at least 10 civilians in a fiery explosion, the Taliban and residents said.

Previous night-and-day bombardments have almost emptied Kandahar of its half-million civilians.

Bombing at Kandahar persisted into the day, while overnight attacks elsewhere struck targets around the strategic northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif – where opposition forces are trying to close in from the south – and in the western city of Herat.”

and, in case we forget:

“The United States and Britain launched the military campaign in Afg ha nistan Oct. 7 after the Taliban refused repeated demands to surrender bin Laden,”

USA will not leave, as Dave says, until they are thrown out. Who knows when that’s going to happen.

lots of good reasons ($) for the US to stay.

been asking that for 11 years. lithium?

bin laden dead…lets leave,okay?

It doesn’t really matter to me whether he acted alone or not-the guy was on his fourth combat deployment! How can we be so stupid as to structure our military that way? Nobody is a functional human being anymore after four combat deployments, IMO.

It’s like we have a compulsion to prove that every empire that goes there, dies there.

oh and that war on drugs?

not always a big deal I guess:

Time magazine:

“Between 2005 and 2009, Afghanistan’s yearly opium output jumped from 4,000 to 7,000 tons, and it now accounts for more than 90% of global supply, according to the United Nations.”

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1996120,00.html#ixzz1ouc9AZV2

so, heroin addicts everywhere, be grateful.

yeah, after they did him in, there was some mumbling, about now getting out.

too much money still on the table.

i read a study done in WW2.after 250days in combat people go postal,the deployment for Korea in the 50s was 9 months period…the top brasss know this

Those “addicts” are merely “peripheral”, mafr, the money-addicts ALWAYS come first …

DW

that’s one of the worst best jokes of this

impoverished afghans have been driving out better armed, more numerous invaders for decades, centuries, yet we have to be there to

“train” them to fight.

yes,as always ,back in the times of Alexander ,its the gold,and loot

yup

have to burn the village/country to save it.

This is way too similar to Iraq when the military was to start winding down ops there. IMO, there are a rogue group in the Pentagon and on the ground that want war forever. It would not surprise me one bit if these kind of actions are to prevent the ending of combat troops in Afghanistan.

After reading, watching, and understanding more of what is going on behind the scenes, the military is trying to run things instead of the President and law.

And the money-addicts, sadlyyes, are ALWAYS the last to leave, except for the poor schmucks who have to “cover” their royal asses …

DW

That’s the best reason I’ve heard so far.

and this is what turned me against BHO

http://www.thegrio.com/assets_c/2010/08/obama-and-sasha-swim-thumb-400xauto-11985.jpg

as i said phoooooey

Crazy isn’t it? We’ve been training them for at least six years now. Either they are dumber than dirt or our military is. Gotta say it.

The combination of long supply lines and tough terrain/geographics always defeats invaders. Takes a DFH to understand that, not a West Point graduate.

Actually have encountered comments suggesting that “we” should just have “nuked” “them” from the beginning … mafr.

When karma comes to the “homeland” it is going to be an unholy bitch …well deserved, however … as karma ALWAYS …is.

DW

Heh! A West Point GraD has never had to scale a city scape in a family car to get from one end to the other in 30 minutes or less.

we have NO money for SS,medicaire,birth control
bullets,generals troops….p l e n t y

They undergo U.S. training to know how to fight U.S. better & to steal U.S. weapons.

im sorry this country is totally bolixed up

gotta be some percs

Good morning, DW. I remember, very early on, seeing Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) questioning a military panel, and stumbling across the fact that they were deliberately allowing the heroin trade to flourish, At the time, they were running PSA’s here telling us that if you smoked ONE JOINT, you were helping the terrorists. Ryan pulled back, clearly understanding he was about to expose something VERY problematic. I knew right then that we were totally lost down the rabbit hole.

Well, yeah, killing people affects your attitude. Nobody could have anticipated . . .

Yep.

The Prez and talking heads keep repeating those words about our, “Strategic Interests”. I wish they would just go ahead and tell the country exactly what those are.

Ronnie Raygun more honest than Obie

heard about this this morning:

coming from Walter Jones, house of representatives, March 7

Mr. JONES submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

“CONCURRENT RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.

Whereas the cornerstone of the Republic is honoring Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That it is the sense of Congress that, except in response to an actual or imminent attack against the territory of the United States, the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress violates Congress’s exclusive power to declare war under article I, section 8, clause 11 of the Constitution and therefore constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under article II, section 4 of the Constitution.”

they paid for the study ,but tossed it out the window

Btw, I was at the book salon last night. You did darn good! I was trying to find an opening to ask about other economic theories, but it just wasn’t there. I didn’t want to start flaming warz.

laws,what damn laws…how about a swim in the Gulf,compete with pre added oil,so you tan faster

But did they not already vote away that power and give it to Bush?

Most of them want to bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.

cause that’s what the French, and the Americans did in Vietnam.

I hate this.

It does matter as far as how much we are being lied to by Mr Transparent Hopeychangey. It’s two different issues, like with Pat Tillman there was two different things – the friendly fire itself and the cover-up by the top brass who got promoted by Bush and then promoted again by Obama…Stanley McChrystal. The cover-up with Tillman became the larger story than the friendly fire itself.

People have to wake up that this is Bush’s third term in many ways, but worse as the ACLU has even declared Obama worse than Bush.

Army suicides rose 80% after start of Iraq War: study
LINK.

Do you have a link?

It would be a start, though I’d guess it will be quashed asap.

I believe it was the war powers act that was jerked along with the Patriot Act.

Thanks.

Narrowly defined economic theories are one of my betes noires.

It’s a miracle I was alert enough to do that. I’d taken Nyquil the prior 2 nights as decongestant for my cold so I could sleep thru. Made me incredibly groggy next day. Last night I took reg decongestant and feel much more alert today.

i guess Mittens wouldnt be any worse

forgot to ask if its abating?

Yes, thanks.

Grog or not, you did excellent. So did a few others I will not name, but like I saidm, I really would have liked to see his thoughts on other theories. Particularly the Marxian and how to make change to the problems we have.

hurray

Mixed economy, like western Europe had before Sark & Merk & Cameroon got ahold of it.

Plus, I’d like to know how wars and quagmires are supposed to be good for an economy in these days. Maybe back in time, but it is not bringing us out of the great recession.

bullet makers in right to work states make min wage….arms makers in a few families make the bigbux

Jones is a “bad” Republican from North Carolina, mafr, merely “out to score political points” (as will be, possibly “correctly”, immediately claimed) and the Democrats and their somewhat rabid supporters will immediately rally around the Obama flag … why even a major FDL front-pager, as rc, has informed me, has pooh-poohed the Constitution … as irrelevant “on the field”, presumably meaning the “everywhere battleFIELD” … one imagines.

In fact, Congress AND the Judiciary are quite complicit in this treason, for such it, if we are to honest (and why not?) Barack Obama’s behavior and assumption of the “power” to kill, anyone, at any time and anywhere, including, right here, in the “Homeland”, as “articulated” so very triumphantly by Attorney General, Eric Holder, most certainly IS …

Ah well, let’s talk sports heroes or wardrobe “failures” shall we?

Who is dancing with the *stars*?

And who are the rich having for lunch, today …

Speaking of which, what is on the menu at the Senate Dining Room today?

Priorities and comity … fir$t thing$ fir$t, old bean!

DW

and that about sums up Merika today…through the Matrix

“Stim” from war too narrowly focused, too small, too constant. WWII prep went up to something like 10 or 20% of GDP (can’t find chart right quick & don’t really remember number), now it’s around 4-5% and has held steady within a percent or so for years. To stimulate economy, it must go up rapidly in short period.

Way back when I speculated on a forum such as this that we might be seeing a reverse presidential stack to the Vietnam one with respect to these wars. If indeed that holds true, with Obama eagerly donning Bush’s bloody boots, it is perhaps a done deal that he is ‘elected’ once again, but now he’s wearing Nixon’s. Complete with Kissinger. How poetic.

I’m looking forward to his impeachment.

Whatever works to get him out and give us a moment of peace before those of us who lived through Vietnam and saw its aftermath move on.

Let him live out his days as did Nixon, a dead soul just going through the motions.

State sponsored terrorism. O’Bastard is the Terrorist in Chief. Random murder has been a common occurrence wherever Imperial Legions have been deployed. Americans = murderers. This is the work of elected Democrats and Republicans in Washington. If you support Democrats or Republicans YOU are responsible for these murders.

It is merely a question of the Right “right” war, PP … “we” are assiduously “working” on getting “there”, there is a “red line” or two, to cross, then … its across the Rubicon and on to Wealth Everlasting …

Buck up!!!!

America will soon be on the march!

Hup! Twoop! Treat!

If we ain’t Gawd’s Chosen People, than who in hell is …?

Dopes sing eternal …

DW

You won’t get any disagreement from me, I was just making a more limited point. But you are exactly right.

It was on Drudge this morning.

Second that – eCAHN was great. I lost my cool at the end, but I was hopelessly late due to forgetting the time change, put it in anyway. Lots of wellcontained comments, though – you guys are good!

Oh.

I didn’t see anything about it on his website.

Did you note that Nicholas returned and responded to your question, there, at the end, juliania?

DW

Top right column on Drudge, right now.

walter jones:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.CON.RES.107:

walter Jones

“Even though more retired military people live in Jones’s district than in most other districts in the country, he has discovered that many marines who served in Afghanistan agree with him that the United States is fighting a hopeless, never-ending war for a corrupt government. Jones, who gets down on his knees every night to pray for God’s guidance on the issues he will be voting on in the House of Representatives, is conscience-stricken about all the American lives being lost or ruined in Afghanistan and Iraq. His conscience, laminated to his guilt for voting to invade Iraq in 2002, has radicalized this conservative Republican from rural North Carolina into doing everything he can to get the roughly 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan the hell out of there.

Jones is seeking co-sponsors on a bill that would force President Obama to send a plan to Congress to pull all our troops out of Afghanistan. Jones is especially eager to win over Republicans to his side in hopes of compelling Boehner to become more flexible on the pullout. As of the May Congressional recess, Jones had forty-one co-sponsors signed up, including seven Republicans.

Jones has allied himself with liberal Democrat Dennis Kucinich on many issues raised by the “war on terror” and Obama’s decision in late March to go to war against the Libyan government without bothering to get Congressional authorization. “We must not let any war continue absent legal authorization by Congress,” Kucinich said. He contends that Obama not only violated the War Powers Act of 1973 but also the Constitution, which empowers Congress, not the president, to declare war and provide for the common defense, in Arti-
cle 1, Section 8. Kucinich has vowed to force a vote in the House “to end US military operations in Libya.” Jones and Kucinich are discussing filing suit in federal court to force a judicial ruling on whether Obama overstepped his constitutional bounds regarding Libya.

Jones is also a point man in an effort in the House to grab back from the president the powers the founding fathers gave Congress to declare war and provide for the common defense. Not since 1941, when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, has Congress exercised its right to declare war. Jones sponsored a bill that would subject a president who lied in giving the reasons for going to war to prosecution by the Justice Department. The measure never left the subcommittee. As for Obama’s bombing of Libya, Jones said, “We’re neutered as a Congress. It’s like we don’t exist.”

I don’t give any clicks to Drudge. I’ll take your word for it.

http://www.thenation.com/article/160950/walter-jones-antiwar-republican-north-carolina

Made it onto rawstory.

500,000,000,000.00 of you tax dollars…who got it?

The bill for the war has already exceeded $500 billion and more than 1,900 US troops have been killed, with the total number of foreign troops killed approaching 3,000.

Understandable. I use Drudge to keep me informed about what the enemy is up to. ;-)

boy are we $tooooooooopit

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/29/us-usa-war-idUSTRE75S25320110629

Noted. Thanks for the tip, DW.

Very interesting response that he gave. I actually wasn’t defending Keynes, just stating what seems to me an obvious fact, that if you are committing chicanery it doesn’t really matter what system you pretend to do it under, it is still chicanery.(Which is too nice a word for it.)

I sincerely hope, mafr, that Walter Jones might be heeded, for he is articulating the truth. However, the truth is shunned and avoided to such a degree in this nation at this time, that those who employ it are branded as dissidents and threats, as nuisances and kill-joys, and often as much worse.

Jones, at least, is a Congressman, and has protection not enjoyed by most.

HR 347, presumably, does NOT apply to him, as it does to all of the rest of us.

I hope that Walter Jones may find a “platform”, safe from the assault of “Homeland” “Security” and police whimsy … that he might catch the ears, the minds, and the hearts, of his fellow citizens.

The truth needs as many friends as it may impress or reach.

No matter how many people whom it might piss off, as SD daily, five every week, reminds us that it often may do …

DW

By the way, for those who only remember the hugely indigestible Clinton impeachment proceedings, let me tell you the Watergate hearings were a civics lesson none of us will forget. Impeachment can be a shining moment when it is done for true reasons of high crimes and misdemeanors against the state.

Of course, it does distract from the important business Congress is doing, like a memorial to Ladybird’s roadside beautification project, or a plaque commemorating the first Girl Scout Cookie to sell over a million boxes (I think it’s the peanut butter cookie – I’d vote for that one.)

Oh, I remember coming home everyday from college/work to watch the Watergate Hearings. Frequently staying up ’til 2AM to catch up. The Clinton impeachment was a nothing but a bunch of stupid republicans pissing into the wind. Watergaste had SUBSTANCE and riveting testimonf by John Dean and others. It was a shining star in our country’s history. Nothing like the massive embarrassment we have witnessed the past 12 years.

Glad you guys worked out this Afghanistan thing BTW.

It’s not what the law says but who Executes it or skips over the unpleasant parts, like the torture photo album o thumbed through and didn’t execute any laws relating to illegal torture.

Execute in this case means anything BUT murder.

Pat Tillman, All American Hero, unconfirmed assassination FBO dick.

They are connected, newcarguy. Extremely important diary came out with depth of emotion in the comments yesterday – worth a read – from Wendy on this subject. Watergate came about because there was Vietnam, and politicians probably as seedy as some we have today found their better angels in the process and made something grand, a new founding of the republic if you will.

We need that now.

Thank you.