An important story from James Risen shows why anyone with a passion for more war who talks about the “intelligence” on Iran’s nuclear program should not be listened to. In fact, we know precious little about that program, and even what we do know gets shifted by new information all the time:
While American spy agencies have believed that the Iranians halted efforts to build a nuclear bomb back in 2003, the difficulty in assessing the government’s ambitions was evident two years ago, when what appeared to be alarming new intelligence emerged, according to current and former United States officials.
Intercepted communications of Iranian officials discussing their nuclear program raised concerns that the country’s leaders had decided to revive efforts to develop a weapon, intelligence officials said.
That, along with a stream of other information, set off an intensive review and delayed publication of the 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, a classified report reflecting the consensus of analysts from 16 agencies. But in the end, they deemed the intercepts and other evidence unpersuasive, and they stuck to their longstanding conclusion.
The intelligence crisis that erupted in 2010, which has not been previously disclosed, only underscores how central that assessment has become to matters of war and peace.
The official assessment of the US intelligence community maintains that Iran has not decided to pursue a nuclear weapon, having stopped their program in 2003. But every so often a new piece of information comes up, goes through the chain of command, and ultimately is found insufficient. What this shows more than anything is a failure of the actual intelligence assets of the US, despite deploying drone capabilities over Iran and using whatever means necessary to get the information out of the country.
We already went to war once in that part of the world based on bad intelligence. Risen’s account doesn’t give me any hope that we have improved our capabilities to any degree. One opinion at the top could turn the same dodgy intel and analysis into a casus belli for war. That’s how the Cheney Administration handled it, and that’s how it will get handled by someone who wants the war to go forward.
It makes you wonder why “intelligence” is seen as a rigorous field of study.
I guess we could use a certain blond-haired woman who worked on Iranian nonproliferation issues at this point, before being outed by her government as an agent.
Much more from Marcy Wheeler.





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Disagree with several points.
What program did they have before 2003? Are you referring to the smoking laptop and the green salt plan that didn’t pass the giggle test?
Who sees intel as a rigorous field of study? Read Knightly’s Second Oldest Profession, wherein he explains that the spook biz has built in fatal flaws. To name but 2, the fact that it is secret is a major incentive to come up with bogus stuff, and (prolly a corollary of that) every failure is an excuse for bigger budgets. Could be the second biggest moral hazard enterprise after insurance, where the incentives are to collect premiums and pay no claims.
Finally, despite all that, U.S. intel on Iran’s nuclear program is quite good. Hot & cold running inspectors (so far despite the new head’s sellout to U.S. & Israeli neocons), that Iran would have to withdraw from IAEA to make a bomb (what DPRK did) and Sy Hersh’s article several months ago wherein he revealed that U.S. has isotope sniffing satellites constantly overhead, ‘secret’ truck weight measuring devices at the entrances to known & suspected bomb development sites, so that diversion of material can be measured.
wouldn’t it be easier to simply figure out a way to make peace with Iran?
Is Iran really a thtreat to Israel or the USA, or Europe?
ridiculous.
Europeans and Americans have been screwing around inside Iran, stealing, colonizing, and installing dictators, for hundreds of years. Under the circumstances The Iranians are remarkably peaceful.
yes, see “bomber gap”, ” missile gap”, etc.
really, how many things have they gotten right?
who knows what they’re actually doing?
incredible.
at best that’s a kind statement, in any event it’s deceiving one to make that ignores the facts
the statement seems to make the case the “intelligence” was good gathered in good faith but simply bad information, that’s not so, that “bad intelligence” was not intelligence at all it was deliberately manufactured misinformation, I believe manufactured misinformation does not qualify as “intelligence” by any standard at all
I’ve said it often: opium.
And someone in the administration pushes back against the war fever:
Unfortunately many are ignorant of these facts. Folks believe whatever media tells them. Dementia comes to mind.
That is what these folks rely on….
hundreds?
reallly?…do they really mean “hundreds”?…that would be correct if they meant 100′s of hundreds
Stovepipe Part II?
Hundreds of sailors on an Exoceted destroyer. Ground war not included.
We already went to war once in that part of the world based on
badsexed-up intelligence.Get it right, ok?
How would we know if they had any ‘good’ intel?
After all, if they’re not going to tell us the truth, and they’re clearly not owing to their obvious determination to go to war, then how in the world can we possibly have this conversation.
For myself, I listen to Ray McGovern on inteligence matters;(from Consortium News)
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Words that do not go together–President Santorum, Jumbo Shrimp and Military Intelligence.
There can be no peace with Iran b/c the nuclear issue is a concocted issue. The real issue is that Iran enjoys primary hegemony in the Middle East, except in the despotic countries and Israel, and the U.S. wants to remove that power from Iran. This real issue has existed much longer than the concocted nuclear issue, which is fairly recent.
The official government approved “intelligence ” in.re. Iran will be whatever the Neocon/Neoliberal rulers of the Coporate US/Israel/Saudi Arabian Cartel decide it will be. This is the USA, dedicated to creating its own reality, facts and evidence be damned.
http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Things%20Come%20Undone/
Funny how we went from 20,000 dead under a Bush era war game to only hundreds when Iran has gotten faster than sound Sunburn anti ship missiles and we lost 20,000 troops when we did a war game and they only had Silk Worm Missiles.
Have American ships and anti missile systems gotten that much better?
Who’s holding Obama’s feet to the fire to force him to employ diplomacy with Iran as he is with North Korea, and as he promised to do in the campaign, taking heat (not on his feet) for it?
Obama’s form of diplomacy is economic warfare against a country that is in complete compliance with its treat obligations, a treaty (NPT) that the main instigator Israel hasn’t even signed and refuses to do so.
Regarding “intelligence” the US and its allies have already provided baseless “intelligence” to the now-puppet IAEA for publication in its recent report.
This shit has been going on at least since 1953 when the USA/UK deposed Pres. Moasaddegh and replaced him with the Shah and SAVAK.
Are they nuts Iran wants us to send in troops they saw what Iraq and Afghanistan with much smaller populations were able to do to us!
Why attack the American fleet when oil tankers are so much easier to sink? The more oil tankers Iran sinks the more the price of oil goes up thus helping Iran pay for the war.
http://www.salon.com/2005/09/14/planes/
My bold No one Could have Predicted might be a better name for our Government who despite being warned only listens to what they want to hear and then claims nobody warned them.
Of course they never read FDL.
Iran has many military options.
– long-range rockets targeted on Israel
– sinking ships with submarines, mines and/or missiles. An aircraft carrier has a crew of 5,000+ and the US has two there now and possibly three in a few weeks.
– thousands of Americans around Baghdad, fifty miles from Iran and in what is now a firm US ally. Mar10: TEHRAN – Iraqi Vice President Khodair al-Khozaei has said that the consolidation of ties between Tehran and Baghdad will definitely deal a heavy blow to the enemies of the two countries. (guess whom he means)
– Hezbollah and Hamas will support Iran with attacks on Israel.
– blocking the Strait of Hormuz, and more
And political options, since most of the world including Russia, China, and India support Iran.
Perhaps this is all “sabre rattling” to further enrich Obama’s friends in the OILigarchy.
Excellent comments all.
But this is like not going to involve us, not initially at least. The “ball” is “Israel’s court”. Natanyahu told us, several times and he made it imminently clear on his last visit. If and when Israel considers Iran a serious and viable threat THEY will step in and intercede. And I don;t think THEY mean with economic sanctions and nasty certified mail.
Good points Don. All. But everything I have seen indicates that both Ahmadinejad and al Khameini do NOT want a war with Israel much less one with us on their side. And, let;s all get serious, Netanyahu appears to have a “hair trigger”. Everybody over there beter be verrry careful. Obama, howevere many mistakes he has made, will not send us to war first. Although I won’t say if he will join in with Israel IF and when THEY go all “preemptive” on us.
Shalom, Schlameel and Schlamozzel.
correction on my #20– Iraq is now a firm IRAN ally.
Let’s all hope the Mullahs don’t sink a carrier out of a fit of pique. You know the shit will hit the fan after that.
That’s true. Israel controls this game for now. If they were sure we would follow them, they would likely go. But there is that element of doubt. But they have a hole card. If the current negotiations net nothing they may have a call on Obama.
Iran has not been cowed by all the crippling sanctions and bombing threats.
recent headlines:
-West must accept our nuclear program’s success
-Iran not to make concessions on nuclear program
-Iran’s Parliament Speaker Warns Talks Under Threat Won’t Bear Fruit
-Iranian expert: Fully-operational nuke facility Iran’s trump card
In fact Iran has in many ways become stronger, and the west weaker. Iran has the world’s third largest oil reserves and Iran is in Asia where the oil is needed, so it’s time to break the west’s stranglehold on oil and on its financial transactions. That’s being done. The US is forcing Iran to look eastward and it turns out to be good for Iran and bad for the west. The East is rising and the West is sinking.
Iran has experienced a US-backed war on its homeland before and it doesn’t seem to be shirking from the possibility of another. It has a lot of fine weapons, for one thing, weapons that can sink ships, as well as strong political backing for standing up to the West.
Currently we have the interesting spectacle of Admiral Greenert, the Chief of Naval Operations, crowing about sending additional minesweepers to the Gulf and arming ships with Gatling guns. This must be amusing to Iran, with its thousands of mines and missiles.
Anyhow Greenert has no US operational responsibility — he’s not in the chain of command. The responsible combatant commander (under Goldwater-Nichols) is General Mattis at CENTCOM, so Greenert is simply having a PR holiday to sell newspapers and impress NPR (National Public Relations).
Iran knows all this, and more. Iran has played the US like a cat plays a mouse for years now. They are really quite good at it, and they have a strong international diplomacy that doesn’t rely on intimidation like the US does with its phony intelligence.
Damn.THAT may not work out too well for us.
And, after all we did for those guys.
Regarding Israel, I wouldn’t take them too seriously. Israel, with US concurrence I’m sure, has taken I/P completely off the table with this good-cop, bad-cop routine about attacking Iran. No more talk about settlements! None on Palestinian statehood! Vanished!
Both the US and Israel love that to pieces. They have something they can agree on, as long as it can be controlled.
Sure talks under threat will not bear fruit. Do you suppose they would agree, like, yeah go ahead and threaten us, we will cave. We are not to the brink just yet so neither side feels particulary threatened except perhaps Israel. They are the ones I worry about.
Let’s just hope they use ISRAELI intelligence. Not ours.
Kind of ungrateful of them, eh?
Glad you’re on OUR side dude. You seem know more than the Brookings Institute and George Will combined. :-)
Surprised the shit out of me.
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I don’t think we should EVER liberate those SOB’s again. Hell, I’d cut off their HBO too.
“You (guys) make me want to be a better man.”
News report:
Iran’s new Fordo (Qom) enrichment facility became operational in January 2012. It is under 90 meters of rock. The US has bunker-busters. The US 5,000 lb GBU-28 can penetrate 20 ft concrete, the new 30,000 lb GBU-57 MOP 60 ft concrete. Not nearly enough to cause more than some surface damage.
The Fordo facility is under full IAEA surveillance.
The thing to be concerned about w/the Israelis so eager to start a war with Iran is not the Iranians but a false flag operation by the Israelis.
If one of our carriers gets sunk we better make damn sure that we actually know who did it.
Remember the USS Liberty. The Israelis have no compunctions about shooting on an American ship if they think it is in their interest.
I suspect that “American officials” were not being entirely truthful, which is why “The results of the war game were particularly troubling to Gen. James N. Mattis, who commands all American forces in the Middle East, Persian Gulf and Southwest Asia . . .”.
General “Mad Dog” Mattis wouldn’t be particularly troubled by a couple hundred dead souls, but a US aircraft carrier going down with five thousand might trouble him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_debate
Unrealistic?