From Chicago Tribune: “”The FBI will always investigate and bring to justice anyone who resorts to violence as a means to harm, intimidate, or prevent the public’s right to access reproductive health services,” Teresa L. Carlson, Special Agent-in-Charge of the FBI office in Milwaukee, said in a statement.”

Really? Sure doesn’t seem that way. I’m sure on-high will counsel her on her overzealous statement.

Lighten up, Francis

I see that neither charge involves terrorism. Why not?

With all the Spying on Lefties internet, phone calls even sending in police to infiltrate us OWS, the Peace Movement etc one wonders why don’t the Feds take down the Anti Abortionists? Do we wait for them to get a nuke?

What Right to Life Groups does he belong too? I bet the Feds won’t investigate them at all because we are the real threat. Hitler’s BrownShirts got a pass from the cops because they spread hate and kept people divided. The Racists and anti abortion nuts seem to get the same pass for the same reasons.

Jesus’s silence on abortion is telling. Its not like he was unaware of the practice Greek, and Roman medicine was quite aware of birth control and abortion. (facts listed at end of article)

Point to me where Jesus spoke against either Birth Control or Abortion in the bible? Though some Christians seek laws against it!

Point to me where Jesus said that Woman should risk their lives or sanity to carry a child? Though some Christians seek laws to force it!

Point to me the parable where Jesus says a woman who was raped must carry the rapist’s child? Though some Christians seek laws to force it!

http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/07/23/sunday-preaching-the-silence-of-jesus-on-abortion/

Maybe Atheists should start passing out copies of this diary at his jail for the prisoners:)

Grady has a history of criminal convictions and run-ins with the law, including a 2004 conviction for manufacturing or distributing cocaine and a 2011 no contest plea to resisting or obstructing a police officer.

Sounds like we shold call him Churchy McPro-Life.

Riddle then discusses at length the abundant but neglected evidence in Dioskorides and Soranos (16-56) for herbal (oral) contraceptives (ATO/KIA) and abortifacients (FQO/RIA). These chapters ought to be required reading for those who believe that the conceptual world of Greek medicine is wholly alien to and disjoint from ours. First, laws and precepts from Plato to Talmud show that ancient people believed that oral contraceptives worked to reduce fertility (16-20), and they distinguished contraception from abortion (20-24). Riddle evaluates the prescriptions of Soranos 1.61-3 by reference to numerous modern pharmacologic studies which show that nearly every plant claimed as contraceptive by Soranos and which has been tested, in fact works

From Hippokrates to Galen, Greek medical writings contain a variety of contraceptive prescriptions, whose known ingredients when tested show anti-fertility effects (74-86). Such knowledge was acquired in the same way that we have learned over centuries and millennia which plants are edible, cure headache or heart trouble, etc. (87). Observations of low fertility in animals by herders allowed further discoveries (88). In the Late Roman Empire and Early Middle Ages the tradition survived, albeit weakened, in standard medical texts (89-107). The difficulty was the Roman Church’s well-known opposition to abortion and contraception: yet in Macer’s influential XI-A.D. herbal, pennyroyal is still given as a birth control herb (108-117).

http://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/1993/04.04.08.html

Israel was conquered by Alexander the Great who brought Greek medicine to Israel and was later conquered by the Roman’s who also used Greek medicine.

Jesus was criticized for hanging out with Fallen Women any bets Fallen Women knew about Greek and roman birth control and abortion methods?

http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/07/23/sunday-preaching-the-silence-of-jesus-on-abortion/
Fallen Women did not fall often if they kept getting pregnant and if they hung out with JC and 12 guys in the desert somebody got busy.
The Church only preached celibacy later early Priests could get married. Its time we confronted the Fundies with the Bible on this issue.

Are the White Nazi Prison gangs going fundy? Coke heads tend not to be anti abortion nobody sane wants a crack head to deliver a child addicted to coke especially the crack heads they know what their lives are like. Somehow somebody changed his mind and it was not his former criminal peer group of cokeheads.

The law of homicide in the Torah, in one of its formulations, reads: “Makkeh ish…” “He who smites a man…” (Ex. 21:12). Does this include any many, say a day-old child? Yes, says the Talmud, citing another text: “…ki yakkeh kol nefesh adam” “If one smite any nefesh adam” (Lev. 24:17) – literally, any human person. (Whereas we may not be sure that the newborn babe has completed its term and is a bar kayyama, fully viable, until thirty days after birth, he is fully human from the moment of birth. If he dies before his thirtieth day, no funeral or shivah rites are applicable either. But active destruction of a born child of even doubtful viability is here definitely forbidden.) The “any” (kol) is understood to include the day-old child, but the “nefesh adam” is taken to exclude the fetus in the womb. The fetus in the womb, says Rashi, classic commentator on the Bible and Talmud, is lav nefish hu, not a person, until he comes into the world. Feticide, then, does not constitute homicide, and the basis for denying it capital-crime status in Jewish law – even for those rabbis who may have wanted to rule otherwise – is scriptural. Alongside the above text is another one in Exodus that reads: “If men strive, and wound a pregnant woman so that her fruit be expelled, but no harm befall [her], then shall he be fined as her husband shall assess…But if harm befall [her], then shalt thou give life for life” (21:22). The Talmud makes this verse’s teaching explicit: Only monetary compensation is exacted of him who causes a woman to miscarry. Note also that though the abortion spoken of here is accidental,

http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/cavalier/Forum/abortion/background/judaism1.html

Sometimes I wonder at the lack of Scholarship of Fundy Preachers.

So has Rick S said anything yet chances are this guy was inspired by Rick’s ranting for the Wisconsin Primary. Will Rick stand up for his psycho or deny him three times before the cock crows?

Good question and may I add why are anti abortion groups not listed as terrorist organizations?

And why aren’t the TV and radio talking heads and religious leaders who foment hatred of Planned Parenthood being likewise arrested for inciting terrorism?

Brilliant!

If their actions are any indication, the vast majority of Christians don’t give a shit about what Jesus had to say. “Love your enemies . . . do good to them that hate you,” “my kingdom is not of this world,” “you cannot serve God and mammon,” “blessed are the cheesemakers,” “whatsoever you do unto the least of these,” and a host of other dictates from Jesus apparently find no purchase among most who call themselves Christians. It’s a very strange religion.

My question, exactly.

TCU. One could debate with the followers of stories. That would be a fools errand. The story has been bent from the get go. They bend it still today. There is no reason from these people. And why are they not classified as terrorists? Perhaps be cause the ones classifying are of the same bent. The world is full of ignorance-just the way it is.

We debate them to show them the facts not to change their minds but show moderate voters what the facts are. If we cede the ground we let them win. They claim the bible as an authority so lets show them what the bible says and thats nothing.

True so thats we we bring up the bible and show them to be hippocrites.

Good question!

Somewhat OT, but today’s religious fanatics use their “religious beliefs” as an excuse to get away with, well, murder. Similar to some Muslim sects that say the Koran says that women should have clitoridectomies, which can be fatal, or lead to huge & ongoing & terrible complications for the women to whom this barberous act is perpetrated on… all in the name of keeping them “clean” for men.

There is no such thing in the Koran.

There is nothing in the Bible about abortion or birth control, and as you point out, those things were available and regularly utilized back in the days of B.C.

It’s all about power, domination and control… mostly of women, but also of men. Why people buy into this shit is beyond me.

The fascist media wasted not one instant demonizing and villifying Planned Parenthood for having the nerve to call out Nancy Brinker & her grifting Komen “Foundation” for cutting off funding to PP.

How DARE PP question the PTB???

Shortly after that debacle, which the fascist media went after PP, not Brinker and her sister grifters at Komen, we suddenly were “treated” to the spectacle of the RC pederast “bishops” demanding the birth control not be funded by RC institutions health insurance. That led to known CRIMINAL & huge grifter Daryll Issa calling forth a Spanish Inquistion “panel” to question why women should have any rights or even be allowed to be seen in public – why should we not go the full Taliban? “permitted” to have birth control covered by health insurance, which was somehow NOW deemed as “unamerican” and/or crazy and/or socialistcommunistKenyan Nazi.

This led to El Lushbo – putative leader of conservatNazi’s – to yell at a young woman that she was a Slutty McSlut Slut for having the temerity to have a sex life, perhaps, much the need for ANY kind of medical assistance, and then that fat pustulencal blight *demanded* that Sandra Fluke send him sex tapes!!!!

And where have conservatives, the so-called vast great “Christiany” allegedly “family values” crowd been throughout all of this??? Why *denouncing* PP & Sandra Fluke, of course.

Do I wonder if someone *encouraged* Francis Grady to bomb this clinic? No, I don’t wonder it… it’s almost a foregone conclusion.

Will the fascist media really follow this? Doubtful. It’ll be a blip on the horizon. Will the Fibbies and others really follow through with any sort of “real” muscle? Doubtful. They reserve their real investigative powers spying on citizens’ lives, esp anyone who challenges the PTB, like the Occupy movement.

same as it ever was…