Mark Zandi now predicts that the job market will come back at a much stronger clip than he previously expected, with the jobless rate under 8% by the end of 2012 and under 7% by the end of 2013. Zandi is the guy who predicted a bottom in housing prices in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011. One of these days he may be right, and all of Washington will hail his analytical acumen.
In fact, he may even be right about the labor market. First-time jobless claims came in last week at the lowest rate since April 2008. Indicators show a mildly higher consumer sentiment, a slight pickup in manufacturing and decent, if sometimes mixed, signals from small business. The expectations are for another 200,000-plus jobs report tomorrow morning.
So Zandi may actually have nailed this one. But yet. There is a persistent pessimism from economic analysts, based not only on potential headwinds (Europe, gas prices or supply shocks), but because of a run-up in economic activity from mild weather in January and February and a buildup of inventories. Most forecasts have a slowing of growth later in the year, although that’s precisely what Zandi is breaking with in his new forecast.
For a representative version of this argument, consider Betsy Stevenson and Justin Wolfers, from Bloomberg:
Consider the current economic-policy debate. Most forecasters suggest that as the recovery slowly grinds on, unemployment will fall to about 7.5 percent by the end of 2013, from the current 8.3 percent. While this isn’t great progress, it is fast enough that some have argued against further stimulus.
We know, though, that the consensus forecast is highly likely to be wrong. Unemployment could fall to 6.5 percent, or rise to 8.5 percent. Each of these possibilities needs to be considered, and weighed according to its potential benefit or harm.
If unemployment falls to 6.5 percent, there’s no overwhelming reason for concern. Historical experience suggests that inflationary pressures are unlikely to build unless the jobless rate drops to 5 percent or 6 percent. Even if inflation does accelerate, the Fed has ample power to reverse course by raising interest rates to slow growth.
By contrast, the longer-run consequences could be dreadful, if we find ourselves with 8.5 percent unemployment fully six years after the recession began. Europe’s experience in the 1970s and 1980s demonstrated that persistently high unemployment can become entrenched, leading to further unemployment in the future — a process economists call hysteresis. Skills atrophy, hope fades and people lose contact with the networks that can help them find work. If this occurs with the millions of U.S. workers who have been without jobs for more than a year, it will be costly and very difficult to undo.
The point here is that you almost have to err on the side of doing more in order to avoid the worst-case scenario. That is what we have not done over the past few years. With the current Congress, it’s unlikely fiscal policy will change its trajectory. But it’s worth knowing that the cost of doing too little is far higher than the cost of doing too much. A recent paper from no less than Larry Summers (with Brad DeLong) showed that. In a “liquidity trap,” basically when interest rates are up against the zero lower bound, Summers and DeLong found that more fiscal spending helps an economy in BOTH the short run and the long run, for many of the reasons described by Stevenson and Wolfers.
There are two policy choices, in other words. We live with the status quo and hope that the analysis actually undershoots the mark. Or we prepare for the worst while expecting the best. Actually, the third choice is to undermine the recovery with sharp fiscal cutbacks. We’re seeing how that budget-cutting strategy is working in the states and in Europe. The answer: not well.




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The answer: not well.
Not well for the 99%. Very well for the 1%.
Both the quantity and the quality of the jobs matters.
And the jobs produced in the `recovery’ so far have been, on average, McJobs.
More and better
Democratsjobs.Great post. The reason I read FDL.
There are quite a number of people who have formed alternative methods for estimating unemployment:
Alternate Unemployment Charts: http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts
TrimTabs: Here’s Why The Real Jobs Loss Number Was 5x Worse Than What The BLS Reported: http://www.businessinsider.com/trimtabs-heres-why-the-real-jobs-loss-number-was-5x-worse-than-what-the-bls-reported-2010-2
9% Unemployment Rate is a Statistical Lie: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27435.htm
I guess my question is why do we trust the same set of people who were blindsided by 2008, and who actively participated in the restructuring of our economy which resulted in the 2008 crisis to present realistic unemployment numbers?
Plus it has been reported that the WH is engaged in “social engineering” (i.e. they lie about how “good” things are going – remember “green shoots?) to help solve the economic crisis.
I think it would be in our best interest to be very skeptical about measurements, methodology, and projections from those very people who have a vested interest in keeping the American public in the dark as to the true extent of our current predicament. I can look around with my own eyes. I can talk to my neighbors and co-workers. I can see all the empty business, for sale signs, and empty homes. Things are much worse than they have been reporting since 2008, that’s pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.
And this analysis coincides perfectly with the signing of the JOBS Act. How serendipitous for the Obama administration–and surprising from an analyst who has helped them out in the past. And the jobless rate will reach 8% by the end of the year, you say? I guess we will have to keep Team Obama operating the levers for another 4 years in the Emerald City.
Plenty of grills to be cleaned and burgers to be flipped.
Unemployment is the enemy of those who live on wages. Inflation is the enemy of those who live on rents, interest and dividends.
In our case it is pretty clear which enemy the government will attack and which it will ignore.
hello?
“Plus it has been reported that the WH is engaged in “social engineering” (i.e. they lie about how “good” things going – remember “green shoots?) to help solve the economic crisis.”
The economy functions much like any religion in that it is based on belief and articles of faith. I suspect this religious quality goes up as an economy moves away from manufacturing toward finance–the less things you can put your hands on, the more need there is to lean on faith. With this dynamic, it is essential in times of crisis to keep up the spirits of the congregation or else they will lose faith and drift away, and the coffers will go empty. And a god is no god at all if there is no one to worship it or carry out the sacred rituals. “Our watchword is Confidence!” say the monks on TV reminding us of the cost to the stock market should we let our faith slip. The Chairman of the Federal Reserve is the Pope, Obama is an archbishop, and Zandi is a priest delivering a homily.
So, at 200,000 a month we’ll need, what… 5 years to get to the “accepted” rate of unemployment? Nevermind the quality – or lack thereof – in the jobs that are/will be available…
Most of the good jobs will never – NEVER – come back.
The writing’s on the wall, and it ain’t poetry.
I was a no-go at another column.
Technology, technology, technology.
Or, if, I’m not to that personally-guaged as fabulous person’s
taste, I consider FDL a haven, and I happen to think curiosity
led humans over one mountain after another.
obviously an “all is clear” signal = “the fix is in.”
It would then also mean: asymmetries (principles held in your face
but thrown overboard per convenience; no, much more than that!
it’s: small risk welcome, large risk taken without forseeable limit
STILL! with you shouldering the losses–in every sector with influence.)
And that is bankrupting the U.S., though you are blamed,though other nations are blamed (the divisions allow the middle classes to blame
the people across the border while they get shafted all over the place.)
And so, the modi of operandi vary a little, but it’s always figureheads.
I saw on YouTube a lecture at Stanford about the Chinese eating our kids’
lunch.
Actually, their middle class is starting to enjoy rising minimum wages.
Their leaders use Communism as a pretense for control, something more
solid than Bloomberg’s need to check the quality of the food you want to
donate to the hungry in NY, but they’re smarter.
They’re not quite the Ming Dynasty, who put the nobles at bay, but
our leaders need to shaft you means they will shaft your money right into
the Chinese, who are perfectly good people otherwise, of course.
But then they’ll be locked out.
So. It’s the same old story. Your local ego-creep mstrbtg onto you your
slavery and saying all’s right on the night.
If you strip away the “transference, arrogance, and vanity” then the
East and the West are identical.
In the West, the royals assumed names per regional assignment.
In the East, just emporers.
That’s why the trolls on the occ boards seek division every stupid-
transparent way.
About that lecture.
My docs know my medical truths.
My accountant knows my stock market score (quite well, thank you-
she teaches forensic accounting at a local major univ.)
So as to the folks in China: if they’re educated and democratic,
they’ll have healthy and happy communities.
We won’t only if we lack in education and democracy. If we don’t
it’ll be because we are falsely told this column’s headline story.
I haven’t believed that for a long time.
It’s been decades since it only took one wage earner to
keep his / her family in a house / put a couple kids through
college–comfortably.
Today’s academic sharecroppers feel compelled to sell their ideals
to make up their loans.
neat system, huh?
The more you suffer, the easier the arrogance and the transference.
If you sold the stuff the people remaking the rules bought, you’re
paying for their mistakes open-ended big-time. We’re talking
homes. You’re handing your life to them.
You’re handing your birthright to them.
What’s different this time is it’s transparent.
So.
Which is going to go away?
The asymmetry?
The transparency?
Hmmm.
Neither too soon.
But obviously never the transparency.
So, you found your way to FDL.
Everyone else has their casino economy and their transference
and their mollifications.
So, now I give you and your friends and mine, who never found their way to FDL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpozeekT1iY
Your comments are some of my favorite to read on FDL–especially liked the one on the Martin case from the 20th.
Thanks for the link to the play.
Thank you kindly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5AjSGrZbxw
Great! “The Fatal Glass of Beer” is a favorite, as is the pool bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQYNvEPi9-s
Some related articles re the Summers paper:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/fed-we-are-liquidity-trap-which-can-only-be-cured-inflation
http://www.interdependence.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Paul-McCulley-Fellows-Paper.pdf
Hey Mark Zandi, didja ever hear the old maxim “a stopped clock is correct twice a day”?