Yesterday we had a big national discussion about the choices women make in their lives. Ann Romney at one point said right-out, “We need to respect the choices that women make.”
At the end of yesterday, Arizona’s female Governor, Jan Brewer, signed a bill banning abortions after 18 weeks and creating a new definition of “pregnant.”
Despite its name, critics derided the Women’s Health and Safety Act that Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law today as cruel, dangerous, and hostile to women—likely to deter many Arizona women from seeking an abortion, and to distress those who nonetheless go through with one.
Life starts earliest in Arizona, which now defines gestational age as beginning on the first day of a woman’s last period, rather than at fertilization. In practice, that means the state has banned abortions after about 18 weeks (20 weeks from the last menstruation) except in the case of medical emergencies. While that provision has been much discussed, abortions after that point account for only about 1 percent of the procedures currently performed.
The stipulation likely to be most widely felt is what experts are calling an effective shutdown of medication abortions. These nonsurgical abortions are usually performed within the first nine weeks of pregnancy, and account for between 17 and 20 percent of all abortions, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive-rights advocacy group. While women often take the pills at clinics and in their homes, the bill now mandates that a medical provider must have hospital privileges within 30 miles of where the procedure takes place. Many times clinics or homes are not within 30 miles of hospitals, and the distance prevents providers from other cities or even states from caring for women, says Elizabeth Nash of the Guttmacher Institute. Another factor that could contribute to what Nash called a “shutdown” of medication abortions is that the law requires abortion pills to be administered using outdated protocols, confusing providers and obscuring proper use of the drugs.
There will be no sense of irony around this, that the national discussion around women’s choices came from the exact same party that promotes restricting women’s medical choices. Everyone will just keep having the stupid season discussion they were having.
Incidentally, the anti-abortion measures signed into law by Brewer yesterday include a mandatory ultrasound, a 24-hour waiting period, forced education in public schools around adoption and birth, forced advertising in abortion clinics about the dangers of “coercion,” parental notification and mandatory counseling. It’s the smorgasbord of abortion bills.
It’s the new definition of gestational age, where a woman can now be considered pregnant by the state of Arizona before ever having sex, that threw me. This completely upends the justification of a “fetal pain” bill, because it draws the line before the arbitrary point accepted by anti-choicers of when the fetus can feel pain. There’s no reason for this provision to be determined in this way except to just chip away at the law a little more. It’s almost like someone from an anti-choice group threw it out in a meeting, and everyone laughed, but then they figured, “let’s give it a shot anyway, and see what happens.”
But remember, “We need to respect the choices that women make.”




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Does the Woman have to pay for the ultra sound?
Are there any exceptions for rape and incest? If no then we can attack the bill by pointing out some rapists brag about how many kids they have and I am sure are all thinking of moving to AZ.
Funny Jan has not done anything about date rape drugs or mandatory genetic testing of any persons who maybe the father if the woman does not know who the father is then there is no child support I know a guy who left the state when his girl friend got knocked up (it wasn’t rape) he came back home only after he knocked up a girl in the other state. Low income guys can avoid child support by getting paid under the table and not having a mailing address for to long.
If Fathers are not held more accountable then chances are many of these women will go on welfare.
Dangers of coercion to have sex in the first place or to have an abortion if knocked up? If its coercion to have an abortion shouldn’t we insist that having a child you can’t afford is often a ticket to Welfare and even homelessness ?
That having a child derails many a young college student? That adoption does not guarantee the baby will grow up in a loving family? Just look at the fairy tale of Cinderella and how she was treated by her step mom and step sisters.
Yesterday’s “signature” demonstrates that Arizona is still on the “cutting edge” of conservative politics and which is emblematic of where our America is going to be, if Democrats in Congress don’t get off their hands, but unfortunately, some of the highly-ranked Democrats have their “hands out” in search of the monies that enable their re-election efforts. Now, where’s that legislation that establishes “public campaign financing,” otherwise, America is lost to the poor and the diminishing Middle Class?
Jaango
I’ll never forget the GMA show several years ago where three teenage girls were grilled about their pregnancies and the little goody-goodies said they “would never abort”, which was met with approval by the interviewer, a woman. They always get women to sell each other out.
I thought, at the time, “where are the daddies?” as these young girls were being humiliated on national TEEVEE. How come they didn’t get up there too?
Of course, it was rhetorical thinking as we all should know that the boyz/men get off scot-free and the “morals” are in the woman’s/girl’s hands.
right, try wrestling with someone who outweighs you 2-3 to one
the original double standard
Ok now I am very confused I try to think like GOPers sometimes to follow their faulty logic chain to understand them better and find holes in their logic but this chain has no links to follow. Can someone explain this to me?
Yes a serious anti abortion bill would have penalties for men and mandatory genetic testing of anyone who might be the father plus a serious attempt to find fathers who skip town and go off the Governments radar.
Does the GOP really want this fight Newt, Rush, Ex Gov Sanford, Sen Ensign, Sen Vitter they all cheat on their wives and in Rush’s case have several wives but no kids. Either they are all sterile or they get their girl friends abortions.
I don’t understand this:
prevents providers from other cities or even states from caring for women,
How can they prevent an abortion on an Arizona citizen who opts to go to CA or any other state? What about a visitor to Arizona who becomes pregnant during the visit?
America IS ALREADY lost to the poor and diminishing middle class. But I am hesitant to immediately blame first those worthless politicians because the Republicans have so brilliantly succeeded in convincing the public to vote against their own interests. We Liberals are viewed as communist throw backs to the bolshevik revolution with promises of long bread lines, a bottle of vodka and dark flowering torn livingroom wallpaper while the Conservatives offer hope with the possibility that at any moment the American voter can and will strike it big and be living the Hamptons. That day never comes and people end up at the end of life living on the social programs that the liberals initiated and fought a lifetime to ensure that all people would benefit from. Blame the voters.
And the DNC, in their infinite wisdom, thinks it’s time to end the “War On Women”.
http://tinyurl.com/cf2gj3n
Blame religion. More people need to see Sam Harris’ video on Free will.
Is Jan trying to rally the Catholic vote in her state? Most of the Catholics in her state are Mexican but no Mexican will vote for her well I am sure that a few might place abortion ahead of racism but not many.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/jan-brewer/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html
While I don’t understand the quibbling about condoms because they are birth control. I thought it only fair to mention it. Regardless 98% of Women at least once have sex with someone they don’t want to have a child with.
Abortion is there when birth control fails.
I wonder what Jan’s polling will look like now? I wonder how much this will hurt Mitt in AZ? A look at other GOP states that have passed anti abortion and other anti women bills Wisconsin comes to mind with the anti fair pay for women bill and how that changes Mitt and local GOP polling with Women would be a great follow up post) (hint) :)
Hi I might be going to Portland Tuesday
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/07/23/sunday-preaching-the-silence-of-jesus-on-abortion/
Is Jan wrapping herself in the bible on this if so this diary might be interesting for anyone wanting to take her down.
http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/cavalier/Forum/abortion/background/judaism1.html
With Abortion it all goes back to pleasing the church we know this because GOPers never talk about helping single Moms and instead want to cut their welfare benefits.
However Fallen Women in an age where abortion was known and practiced were accepted by Jesus wanton sex was not approved but then again JC never said squat about abortion. Its funny when the Fundies read into the bible stuff that was never there.
We can attack this bill by pointing out Jan and the GOP don’t care about single Moms and want to cut their benefits. We can attack this bill by pointing out JC never said squat about abortion.
Boy, there’s so much totally WRONG with this pile of shit I don’t know where to begin.
To answer TCU @7, pregnant without having sex….I only recall one such incident previously.
And, although the republican legislaturds in AZ are typical moronic assholes trying to force their morals on everybody else, this Brewer woman is certifiable.
I am disgusted in all this. REALLY disgusted. I canonly hope and p[ray that the various courts overrule all this. I think there is some hope for that.
Let’s hook up. My e-mail can be obtained from Suzanne.
I only recall one such incident previously.
The Immaculate Conception?
Actually, it was Barbara McCartle, my junior year. But, yea, that would be a good way to put it.
From what I’ve read, this bill will also forestall medically-necessary abortions — when the health and life of the mother or the fetus is at stake.
There’s a set of testing at 20 weeks for fetal abnormalities, this new cut off at 18 weeks strands women whose pregnancies have gone wrong on the side with no medically needed healthcare, if that healthcare includes abortion.
Gotcha
Gotcha Starbuck hope I go things are looking iffy
Good luck.
One such incident hey if I a girl believes she got pregnant and claims she did not have sex or got pregnant from sex then is it ok to abort? After all it did happen once and who is the GOP to challenge another’s religious beliefs?
Arizona is a huge draw for nerds now–One can get laid days before the blind date. Arizona is so bassakwards Sarah Palin had to find a house there. Makes me feel a tinsy bit better about home.
I would like to know if the rapists will be allowed to sue for joint custody?
Back in the day when I was told my kid’s due dates, the doctor calculated it from the first day of my last period. But then again, that was Kansas!! Just sayin’ is all.
Couldn’t we just craft an amendment to the Constitution that would do the same thing as the separation of church and state with respect to medicine and State? I am as against abortion as anyone, have all those darned religious caveats about it, but the state has no business legislating this! This is beyond the absurd, which is the only good thing about it.
I think that Immaculate Conception is the idea that Mary was born without sin. Once the Church discovered that a woman contributed an egg to make a baby, Mary had to be without sin or it would have been passed on to Jesus.
1. Period. Uterine outer lining “refreshed”. Thus the blood and “stuff”.
2. 2 weeks later (approx.), that uterine has a new lining and is ready to accept a fertilized egg for implantation.
3. Thus, conception/fertilization, happens around the the 2 week period. At approx. 2 weeks, the ovary, aka “egg bag”, releases an egg. Woohoo.
Now it makes it’s way down the fallopian tube to the uterus. Ride baby ride. As it approaches the uterus, ie. right before it gets to the uterus from the fallopian tube, that is the best time to “meet” a sperm (aka the “winner”) and wham, bamn, thank you ma’am, fertilization can happen.
4. Thus the time of “conception” should be 2 weeks (approx.) after the last period.
5. The human body, as with all animals, “checks” the DNA of the fertilized egg for any abnormalities, ie. trisomies and other errors. If an error is found, the fertilized egg is naturally miscarried, ie. aborted. Abortions by the human body, ie. natural miscarriages, happen to 33 to 50% of all fertilizations, with most women not even knowing they had a miscarriage, because it happens early, and is a natural check by the body to make sure the DNA is OK. Other factors, minor, are such things as stress and nutrition.
Yes, Dawg himself is aborting 33-50% of all pregnancies. The error-checking system is not flawless and becomes more flawed as the age of the egg/sperm increase. Thus the info. by doctors that women over the age of 35 have an increased risk of DNA damage, ie. trisomies (eg. Downs). And yes, the “age of the sperm” (ie. how old is the male) does matter. For men, the magic number is approx. 45 years.
The reason for this is simple. Women aren’t “making” any “new” eggs. Whereas men produce sperm on a regular basis.
It’s actually a great con on people to say we start from the last period. Because most people don’t know any Bio, and think that’s when conception/fertilization take place. They basically used this ignorance to shave 2 weeks of the time allowed to get an abortion.
Sick and twisted on their part. But remember, not stupid. They know exactly what they’re doing.
Thanks Republicans. I say, I think your new 10 ton necklace looks simply smashing on you. Be sure to wear it to the elections in November. What do you say women voters?