
U.S. troops in Kandahar, Afghanistan (photo: startledrabbit_III via flickr)
The Administration revealed Sunday that the United States and Afghanistan had reached a preliminary agreement for the continued presence of US forces in Afghanistan for another 10 years after the supposed withdrawal of “combat forces” in 2014 .
The agreement was widely expected after the Administration and Karzai regime appeared to resolve earlier disagreements about who controls armed night-time raids — they do, unless we do — on Afghan homes and who controls the imprisonment of detainees (ditto).
Two things struck me about the New York Times coverage. The most obvious is why this is being announced now, even though the details are apparently not final.
The agreement, whose text was not released, represents an important moment when the United States begins the transition from being the predominant foreign force in Afghanistan to serving a more traditional role of supportive ally. . . .
The American and Afghan negotiators have been working hard in recent days to complete the draft so that it could be signed before a NATO conference in Chicago on May 20. There, decisions are to be made on how much money and support will be provided to the Afghan security forces after 2014 and by whom.
Telling the American people we’re going to continue occupying Afghanistan, though without “combat forces” after 2014 for another 2+10 = 12 years seems an odd thing for the Obama folks to be saying now for any reason that’s not strictly political.
According to The Guardian, Afghanistan’s President Karzai made sure the media knew what he expected:
Today Afghanistan and the US initialled and locked the text of the strategic partnership agreement,” said Karzai’s spokesman, Aimal Faizi. “This means the text is closed, and both sides will now review the document and do a final consultation. In the US it will go to the houses of Congress and the president; in Afghanistan the president will consult with national leaders plus both houses of parliament.”
But what about the Administration? After multiple polls have shown the American people of all political stripes are tired of the war and are ready to bring the troops home, even if that poses risks to the current Afghan regime, you’d think this is the kind of story that would be quietly dumped with the Friday evening trash. Yet the news came out Sunday night so that it would be one of the lead articles on front pages Monday morning and a lead story on the evening news.
Unless Karzai jumped the gun, my guess is that the Administration concluded that a story reminding Americans we’ll still planning to be in combat in 2014 and still occupying some magically pacified nation for another decade thereafter is better news to occupy voters’ attention than scandals involving the GSA and the Secret Service and the amnesia induced news that Americans think Mitt Romney has a better clue about fixing the economy.
But I’m more interested in the characterization the Times gave to the supposed agreement. Are we supposed to take this view seriously?
The agreement, whose text was not released, represents an important moment when the United States begins the transition from being the predominant foreign force in Afghanistan to serving a more traditional role of supportive ally.
Perhaps I don’t understand the diplomatic meaning of such polite language, but it seems to me that if you have spent a dozen years with tens of thousands of your troops barely preventing a determined indigenous uprising from retaking a country against a corrupt and unpopular regime you installed, and you think it’s going to take another year or two to get to the point where your installees are doing all the fighting instead of your soldiers, it’s rather optimistic — or maybe deluded — to think you’re going to turn this around in the next 18 months or so. It’s even more strange to think so if your chief weapon — unmanned drones raining indiscriminate death from above — is the very thing that is answering Donald Rumsfeld’s musings about creating more enemies than you’re killing.
When an “agreement” is negotiated between (a) an occupying army with 100,000 of your troops in country and (b) a regime whose survival depends heavily on your troops’ protection from being overrun, it doesn’t seem credible that you’re about to embark on some grand “transition” from being a “predominant force” to being just another “supportive ally.”
The United States is the occupying military power, and under this agreement, we’re still going to be the occupying military power in 2014. And given our and the Karzai regime’s dismal track record in standing up a sustainable, independent nation, the agreement says we may remain the occupying power for another decade. So what is the Times talking about?





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Excellent posting.
The NYTimes with all the stenography that fits:
“The agreement, whose text was not released, represents an important moment . .”
This is like an “important moment” in my family when my son and I “agree” that if he isn’t home by eleven I’ll pull the car keys. In Afghanistan there have been several other similar “important moments” recently when the US and the puppet Karzai government have reached “agreements” on prisons and house raids. The moments have been so “important” that the agreement texts can’t be released. (This is the same dark procedure followed previously in Iraq, by the way, with the withdrawal agreement AKA SOFA. Of course this alleged agreement is the opposite of withdrawal.)
Reminds me of a mordant “joke” that has turned out to be all too true:
So, they didn’t release the text of the agreement. No shock there. When they do release it, I bet there are a lot of classified annexes witheld. Those will be where the real agreement is, whatever text is released will be carefully cleansed for public consumption in both countries.
I suspect the real deal between JSOC (not the US government) and the Mayor of Kabul (Not the afgahn government) reads like this: We give you lots of money. You let us do as we please.
Boxturtle (Am I the only person amused by the Worlds Superpower dealing directly with a Mayor?)
Well that’s certainly a relief. If we were to pack up and leave, the terr’ists would win.
Wait. Hunh?
Very good.
BT…your few words have sized up the WHOLE situation nicely………oy
10 more years of minting/printing money for the MIMC
NO $$$$ for medicare,and SS ….no can do,austerity for the 99%
KICK THESE BUMS OUT you too Obie
As I typed on this subject earlier, there’s no point in the U.S. being the biggest baddest empire if it can lose longer in Afghanistan that the Soviets.
Questions how many forces are not combat forces? Just what do non combat forces do? How much is this projected to cost? Just how much did we pay to bribe Afghanistan to allow this?
It’s like Afghanistan sings a siren song to empires that are about to fall.
I know that I’m being extremely naive here, but didn’t “agreements” with other countries used be called “Treaties”? I read somewhere that these “Treaties” had to be approved by the Senate. Silly me.
American foreign policy has ALWAYS taken place without the consent or approval of Americans, largely unbeknownst to them–it’s living proof that we are no democracy. It’s also the reason this country is wealthy, or was; the middle class is up to its knees in largely unacknowledged blood; it’s the small price we pay for suburban peace and the hissing of summer lawns. (Why do you think liberals were so eager to go back to sleep when Obama was elected? When he commits the selfsame acts that we called Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes criminals for?)
From henceforth we proceed, mover openly, in the name of a globalized ruling class; middle class Americans just continue to pay for it with their taxes, while the ruling class pay little or none.
Obama just read President Johnson’s bio I take it he just lost the Dems the next election after he gets reelected and paves the path for another GOPer like Nixon to win on a Peace with Honor theme.
Or maybe he just created a third party or a revolution. The success of the two party system depends on Afghanistan staying the same or getting better both parties suffer if it gets worse.
NONE of them are combat forces. They are all trainers, diplomats, classified.
Same things as combat forces, they just let the Afghan’s take credit/blame for it.
That’s classified.
“bribe” is such an ugly word. Can we please refer to it as an “incentive”?
Boxturtle (now you don’t have to listen to the next WH press conference!)
Any bets this move frees up troops in Afghanistan to move to the borders of Iran? Any bets that Mercs will take over many combat duties in Afghanistan and given their track record make things even worse in Afghanistan?
Thank you, scarecrow. As you point out, the NYT is doing a massive frame job here:
“… serving a more traditional role of supportive ally. . . .”
What is traditional about this? The clue is in the word ‘serving’. I just posted on the Diner this from Washington’s farewell address:
“The nation which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave.”
I don’t know whether the US can be accused of having an habitual hatred or an habitual fondness towards the Afghani people. It all depends who’s answering the question, I guess.
But the ‘slave’ bit I get, and so does the New York Times. Obviously they are already chained and fettered.
Seems to be covered.
Indeed!
Our hubristic foreign policy is slowly leading to our demise as an empire.
Since the US is the poison injected into the Afghan body politic we need to withdraw ASAP in order for the Afghans to have some sort of future without our presence. And, we need to withdraw in order for us to have some semblance of democracy.
That’s why it’s not a treaty. Obama couldn’t get a resolution declaring “Apple Pie and Motherhood day” through the senate without somebody adding catfood to it, never mind a treaty.
Boxturtle (I think we could “solve” the senate by letting each party pick out two senators to fire)
United Nations:
Afghanistan
“The Afghan displacement is one of the most complex and protracted refugee situations in the world, with 1.7 million registered Afghan refugees still in Pakistan and 1 million in Iran”
and
Iraq
“Some one million people remain displaced throughout the country, of whom hundreds of thousands live in dire conditions. Most are unable to return to their areas of origin because of the volatile security situation, the destruction of their homes, or lack of access to services.”
“heckuva a job.”
The cost will be another cut to SS and Medicare right after the election at a minimum assuming they don’t cut it all to save the banks again and continue the war. Plus the Fed will print so much money that inflation will rise assuming that all goes well with the coming war with Iran $10 a gallon gas alone will cause inflation.
Bee keeping will suddenly become a great hobby for everyone who can’t afford sugar and hates corn syrup.
The stock market will crash again but on the plus side there will be a lot less money in the budget to bankroll new nuke plants and green energy world wide will get a boost.
The border area near Iran is an unfriendly place. We’d spend most of our time protecting our Butts, as opposed to annoying Iran.
I’m sure you’re right about the mercs. But they won’t be combat troops, just contractors working security issues for Defense or State.
Boxturtle (One of the classified annexes likely says Contractors aren’t subject to Afghan law)
A million Afghans in Iran getting educated in Iran who all want to go home? We have to invade Iran given Iran’s oil wealth they can all be educated and trained much better than Pakistan’s refugees trained into an army. But of course Condi/Bush/Obama foresaw none of this.
Gloves would be off I’m guessing thats part of the deal with Afghanistan and it would make sense for us to risk it to move some Iranian army units away from their oil fields and cities. I bet we are moving fighter planes and bombers to Afghanistan already.
Any bets the GOP rubber stamps this but final details only come out after the election so the GOP won’t hurt Mitt’s chances?
I think you’d lose that bet. Our bombers would operate from Deigo Garcia or from US territory, just like in Iraq. Our fighters would work from carriers. No real advantage to basing in Afghan terrotory.
The first hint that ObamaLLP is serious about hitting Iran will be the movemnet of bombers to D.G. Then you’ll see an aircraft carrier stay nearby when it’s replacement has already arrived.
Boxturtle (Your second hint will be Bibi saying nice things about Barry)
The fig leaf is in place. Afghanistan now begins a transition from and occupied state to a client state. Money to finance Afghan “contractors” to help out the transitional Karzai government.
Right on the money. Exactly.
On Iran, I don’t think that politically Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton can sell another war before the election. And the talks are still going on. I still see the US backing off this one. The news that the West won’t take Yes for an answer is beginning to seep out to the war-weary public.
I agree after the election but as far as selling a war goes Gulf of Tonkin *cough* accidents can do that.
Last I heard we had three aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf so you win that one.
I was going with Hugo in Venezuela would be toppled we can’t go to war with Iran with Hugo in charge he would cut off our oil.
But you maybe right about Bibi being the next sign.
Hugo lossing power maybe the third sign.
Yet another resource war. Maybe if we did things like figure out how to reuse the rare-earth-containing electronic devices on which our society depends (perhaps by using bioremediation to pull rare earths out of contaminated soil, should recycling old computers and cellphones not suffice), and use sustainable forms of energy generation, these wars might not be thought so “necessary”.
Not for the war-weary. It’s too obvious. My bet is that Obama and Clinton would take renormalization of relations (CIA station back in Teheran) as means of ending the conflict.
Bibi won’t be saying nice things about Barry anytime soon. That’s not why Sheldon Adelson props him up with Israel Hayom as well as more blatant financial support.
If it become four or five aircraft carriers, that is the signal. i.e. carriers beyond the Fifth Fleet. For example, Sixth Fleet (Mediterranean) movement through Suez (which would raise issue with the Egyptian public).
Yeah. Right now, Obama doesn’t want even the rumors of wars with Teheran, as those drive up oil prices which put strain on the economy and thus his approval ratings. (Any attack on Shiite-majority Iran would also likely open the “defense/security contract employees” still remaining in Iraq to revenge attacks from Shiite-majority Iraq, and probably make life even harder for US troops in Afghanistan. The last thing Obama wants is seeing a 21st-century Khartoum writ large.)
Netanyahu, on the other hand, is not only Sheldon Adelson’s favorite pet project, he’s also been chatting away with another longtime buddy, Mitt Romney, presumably on just how he can help Mittens win in November.
57% of our budget on MIC. The biggest most expensive Embassy(Military Operations Base) ever constructed in Iraq. Vast amounts of Lithium and other resources in our new Afghanistuck military/Freedom Colony. Hope everyone had a happy Earth Day.
Ummn, so we’ll be there after we’re no longer there?
* Scratches head *
I shouldn’t find that funny, but I do, in a mordant kind of way.
“training and advisers”, like lots of other countries that don’t make it into the news because there are not “comabat troops”. The doctrine of “forward deployment” run amok.
5 or 6 aircraft carriers and we are occupying Iran.
Netanyahu has to convince the IDF and Mossad to actually do something very stupid if the chest-beating comes to action.
Takes a major airlift of Army and Marines to occupy a country. Multiple aircraft carriers just increase the number of simultaneously hittable targets or the intensity with which a small number of targets can be hit repeatedly. Per usual, the first move would be to suppress Iranian air defenses.
But Iran is a huge country. Huge enough that the logistics are like doing something in Western Europe from scratch. Even air strikes would be very expensive. I think that the US military has an accurate sense of how big this would be, and like the IDF, seem to be reluctant.
Whoo! That is one sweeping, hard-hitting article, Scarecrow. You quite took my breath away.
We need a “Grover Norquist” to demand a pledge from each congressional candidate that he/she will not vote for any appropriation for military forces to remain in Afghanistan after 2014 or any State Department officials beyond normal diplomatic staffing requirements.
Not only that, but watching C Span coverage of the Parliament, it was so depressing to see the elected officials cheering on Cameron when he explained to a Parliament member how the expanding war in Afghanistan is necessary. After all, that Muslim government invited us there, so we can spread our economic policies and democratic way of life to those who live there.
Accordingly, “Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
Another adage proven to be true!
Sounds like a good idea. BUT, we’ll just change the definiton of “military troops”. We’re pretty clever.
Yep. Awesome summation of all the mistakes we’re repeating.
Regarding new wars, I’m keeping an eye on Jordan which has a long border with Syria.
news report, Apr 23,2012
AMMAN — Jordan and the US on Sunday discussed preparations for a military exercise that will be held in the Kingdom in early May with the participation of 17 Arab and foreign countries.
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff Lt. Gen. Mashal Al Zaben met with his US counterpart Gen. Martin Dempsey and reviewed the plans for the military drill, for which Jordan has been preparing since the conclusion of a similar exercise in June last year, the Jordan News Agency, Petra, reported.
According to a statement posted on the US Department of Defence website, the drill, “Exercise Eager Lion 12”, will take place from May 7 to May 28, bringing together more than 8,000 participants from over five continents.
The land, sea and air drills are aimed at strengthening military-to-military relationships of participating partner nations through a multinational approach, the statement said, quoting Dempsey’s spokesperson Marine Corps Col. David Lapan. (end news report)