I think that the President’s announcement yesterday on marriage equality is worthy of praise. Yet I also see John Cole’s point that, at the end of the day, the President merely expressed an opinion. Presidents expressing an opinion matters more than, say, me expressing one, but we can judge on actions and not words. And there is a list of advances over the last four years on gay rights.
That’s why it’s so puzzling that, on the same day as this expression of opinion, the Administration reiterated that they will not sign the executive order banning workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation at federal contractors. That nugget is buried at the bottom of this Sam Stein piece chronicling the evolution:
The senior administration officials declined to say whether the president would now push for gay marriage to be part of the Democratic Party’s platform at the convention. They also said they were not changing positions on an Executive Order that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation against federal contractors. The president has said he would not sign that order.
Keep in mind that the boycott by LGBT donors had nothing to do with the President’s position on marriage equality. It was because of the executive order. I suppose that now, the campaign feels they will reignite LGBT fundraising with the marriage equality shift, so they don’t have to lift a finger on something tangible.
It’s a weird thing to hold out on. Nobody doubts that the President could do this tomorrow with the stroke of a pen. It would not change in any way the need for legislation like ENDA to ensure protection against discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace, but it wouldn’t inhibit it either. During the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal, the Administration and the Defense Department passed a number of executive orders and administrative rule changes to limit the damage from DADT. That had no impact on the repeal process. The idea that a lasting piece of legislation would be needed to ensure workplace protections for gays and lesbians is not a good excuse here. The point is that nobody doubts this is within the President’s power, he’s already made himself more than clear that he’s on the side of greater equality and civil rights, and yet the Administration just doesn’t want to perform this gesture, which would add protections for untold thousands of gay and lesbian Americans. Is the political risk of offending swing-state voters in North Carolina less potent than the risk of offending federal contractors who would not be allowed to fire somebody because they are gay? Is that the point here?
I’ve been trying to find out whether the donor boycott is still operative at this point, and haven’t yet been successful, but I’m still working on it. Certainly, we know that nothing has changed with respect to the impetus for the boycott.




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The EO would be the next, best step now. A holding pattern is a long way down the list.
It seems to me the only way for the Feds to wrest control away from the states is for DOMA to fall first, and then go proactively from there. A very progressive Dem trifecta would still be needed, and how likely is that in the foreseeable future?
Do the EO soon. O could hang his hat there for the time being.
At this point in American history, if you see Obama on tv, switch the channel.
Do yourself a favor. If he’s speaking he’s lying or dissembling.
I will not abide the codifying of anti Constitutional religious beliefs.
Each citizen is free to believe any religious tenet they choose, or not choose….
I do not accept stealing Death Earned Constitutional rights to enter into a legal contract because such contract is against someone’s religious views..see Amendment One of the US Constitution (it is not “just a piece of paper”…somewhere along the line, someone in your family probably died to protect this “piece of paper”
Equality for all, under the US Constitution should be self evident.
Is it so hard to imagine what will follow if religious beliefs are allowed to become law.
Obama has long been all rhetoric, no action. On Every.Single.Issue. His idea of throwing a bone to his base is to utter a few words, while he does the opposite.
Like when he signed all those job exporting trade deals, incl Korea (he pushed through Congress). At the same time he did this, he was stumping in small towns, on a worthless job’s bill he knew wouldn’t get passed.
Art of deception.
Actions speak louder than words.
There is no action.
We agree.
Relatively speaking, it’s easy for Obama to verbalize something. It’s the doing (executive order ending ENDA etc) that would actually show his values. He seems unwilling/unable to act on values.
It’s easy to talk the talk and tough to actually walk the walk.
Which is why it is so effective to go on the internet and bitch about things in the real world.
The existing EO:
Executive Order 11246, As Amended
The contractor will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.
It could easily accommodate another amendment to add sexual orientation.
Again…
Coward.
Isn’t that what you do on your blog?
Just sayin’.
Does anybody remember what we did before the internet????
He’s the leader, so lead not follow the polls.
I’m too young to remember before the internet :(
If Friends is an indicator America hung out in coffee shops and swapped partners.
The powers that be must drag ever last microgram of division and distraction out of every social issue that comes up. No opportunity to steal our money while the left’s attention is focused elsewhere can be allowed to go to waste.
TPTB still want to make a couple more attempts at stealing the social security trust fund before the LGBT distraction goes away for good.
Triangulation is a thing of perverse beauty, isn’t it?
This is his MO. Pretty much all the time. State an opinion, then abdicate by saying, “Well, it’s a States’ Rights issue.” Today HuffPo has him saying Biden’s remarks were getting ahead of things. No Exec Order. Nothing real, just an opinion that sets the Twitterverse alight with hosannas. It seems the American polity has taken, “Action speaks louder than words,” and made it, “Actions matter not. Only vapid talking points matter.”
There’s no real downside to BO’s opining on Marriage Equality. There is also no downside to being a phony and pledging to do nothing. In the end, neither side is happy… which makes Obama rather happy, it seems. This way, he can sound “progressive” while still acting like a homophobe. Winning!
With respect to Global Warming, he says “the planet is in peril,” yet he is pushing forward with Keystone XL, which will guarantee his words come true.
Same as it ever was.
always do and turn off the radio when I hear his voice.
No actually, that’s why it’s so effective to be the fucking president of the united states and do absolutely jack-shit for the regular folk but offer daily whore service to the 1%.
lol… something like that.
What possible reason? He must have been told that he won’t be invited to play at Augusta National or Olympic Club, and several others.
I think it’s fine to “bitch” on the Internet, especially if one also takes action in various ways, as I do.
Why shouldn’t I bitch here (and elsewhere), if it’s the truth as I see it???? Why not?
I also do a bunch of other things politicially and in my community. As far as I’m concerned, it’s of some small value to have people express their opinions on sites like FDL. There *have been* commenters who claim, at least, that not just the blogs posts but the comments have given them insights they wouldn’t have had otherwise. It’s a “conversation,” imo.
That said, I’ll vetch that I think Obama is all talk & no action, and I’m willing to say that, imo, I truly don’t see a lot of diff bet Obama & Romney. Both work for the 1%. It’s just that Obama sometimes tosses a bone to the base. So what? Via his mouthpieces, he’s also told his “base” that we’re f*cking stupid, that we need drug tests, and so on. It’s not like Obama hasn’t resoundingly *dissed* his base on a number of occassions. Why should I *ignore* that, whilst watching him kowtow to his 1% corporatist masters?
His actions speak louder than his words to me, and so far, I’m not happy with the third term of GW Bush. JMHO, of course.
No, no, and no. Mr. Fierce Advocate’s official position is only personal, which is as it should be. He’s waiting for someone with some political power to do something about this human rights abuse, and then he’ll follow along with them, maybe vote on it or something if he happens to live in that state. See, the most Historic Presidentin’ always requires that you lead by following, and never by leading. Learn that immediately so that thin-skinned pricks like TBagg won’t hypocritically tsk tsk you to death.
You probably got an email from the ACLU that kvelled about Obama’s historic bully-butch pulpit unequivocal opinions. ACLU urged its members to thank the president.
How low the mighty have fallen – eh?
Don’t think I got *that* email, but who knows bc I delete ‘em all without looking. What’s the point? I’ve seen enough Veal Pen pom-pom waving already. Bah humbug.
Basically, Obama didn’t even come up to Dick Cheney’s position on gay marriage.
Cheney said, “With the respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone.” Then, going on to say people should be able to do what they want re: marraige.
Obama said, “Should” be able to. Not, “are free to…” or “have the right to…”
A parsing on par with Clinton. His refusal to sign the exec order confirms it was intentional parsing.
My view is that you can’t have freedom only for some.
Obama needs to make a much cleaner statement and get rid of the parsing. He’s trying to have his cake and not get any calories.
Even if Obama signed an EO, experience has shown that his wimpy Justice Dept. is unlikely to enforce it, so it would probably be another symbolic gesture.
Obama finally voices the same position he put in writing in 1996, without the promise of acting to remedy the situation. tjbs points out the reality and you go defensive to protect your boy friend. Great way to exhibit your objectivity.