A positive side effect of Barack Obama’s shift on marriage equality, aside from revealing Andrew Sullivan’s daddy fixation, is that it has forced a good bit of the Democratic establishment to come off the fence and to support equality themselves. Since the announcement last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer and Illinois Governor Pat Quinn have all endorsed marriage equality.
But perhaps the most interesting angle came from South Carolina Representative James Clyburn, also a member of the Democratic leadership in the House. Clyburn, who had managed to get to May 2012 without ever expressing an opinion on marriage equality, not only endorsed it, but leapfrogged Obama by rejecting the President’s state’s rights approach to the issue.
“I, like the president, have evolved to a point of marriage equality. I have not always been there … I have grown to the point where I believe we have evolved to marriage equality,” said Clyburn on MSNBC’s “Daily Rundown.”
“However, I depart from the president on the state-by-state approach. If you consider this to be a civil right, and I do, I don’t think civil rights ought to be left up to a state-by-state approach,” he added [...]
“State regulation is one thing, but the granting of states the right … I don’t think that’s a good policy and I have a problem with that,” he added.
It’s notable for a prominent African-American politician to point out the flaw in the President’s logic on marriage equality. Obama has basically said that he takes the personal position that same-sex couples should be able to get married, but that states have the ability to decide this on their own. Outside of his announcement, Obama has typically opposed state-based marriage equality bans, like the one in North Carolina last week. And at the federal level, his Administration has stopped defending DOMA, which if overturned would give federal recognition – and rights and benefits – to legally wed same-sex couples.
But the state’s rights approach to this has ugly similarities to the civil rights battles of the past. As Digby pointed out at the time, the President’s position is “not all that different from someone saying in 1963 that it’s their personal belief that it should be legal for people of different races to marry but they support the concept of states deciding the issue on their own. ‘States’ rights’ has always been used as a shield for bigotry.” Perhaps someone like Clyburn, a former leader in the Civil Rights Movement, is most attuned to this.
Perhaps the Administration feels that, if they rejected a state’s rights approach, they would be compelled to forward a Constitutional amendment on marriage equality, something they felt they couldn’t touch. But the overtones of the solution they came up with are unpalatable to those who witnessed first-hand how state’s rights could be used to keep legal discrimination in place in swaths of the country.




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One thing this Administration thinks it excels at is triangulation, so the States rights ploy is both typical and cowardly. Vaughn Walker already gave an air tight decision for LGBT rights on Prop 8 that even our current crop of Supreme Zealots will be loath to reverse so why even broach an Amendment with zero chance of passage.
Let’s see…. State’s rights worked well for the institution of slavery, Jim Crow / segregation? Might as well throw state based health insurance corps in to the lot also…….
So how can anyone expect equal protection under law when certain state’s have work against, the supreme law of the land? Look at America’s history………….
Congressman Clyburn is astute and correct. Ask Dred Scott how it worked with the SJC. Coward ass motherfuckers like Taney protected the slave owners and their business models while raping life and the liberty of human beings. This is no different and anyone who thinks “states protect rights” is delusional and smoking crack cocaine! Protect them business models and the amoral moralizing maggots that fuck this republic and the governed daily? No silent German here………..
i, of course, support rights for all Americans including Gay Americans – I just cant do anything about it
i, of course, think the prohibition of marijuana is a failure – I just cant do anything about it
i, of course, support rights for Americans to collectively bargain in the workplace – I just cant do anything about it
i, of course, support the public option in health care – I just cant do anything about it
i, of course, stand for the rule of law in America’s financial sector – I just cant do anything about it
i of course condemn Ameica’s telecom companies for their illegal surveillance of American’s phone lines and e-mails- I just cant do anything about it
It all about rights being obliterated to protect money and power! Scumbags………..
Obama took the option that would allow him to be the least possibly supportive yet nominally be on the side of marriage equality. Kinda like he did with DADT.
Obama didn’t say he supported Gay marriage. He ‘affirmed’ that same sex couples should be able to get married. I don’t think that legal term is accidental. North Carolina Amendment 1 left the potential of a boycott of the Democratic Convention in Charlotte. Obama can’t afford that. Biden ‘s big mouth didn’t help. Obama looked stiff and uncomfortable in that Roberts interview.
Like someone being forced to eat his peas.
It’s a variation on the non-denial denial.
When you saw that Obama’s new stand on marriage was the same as Dick Cheney’s old stand, you knew it wasn’t going to last.
Forget Obama.
Had Obama been president prior to the Civil War he would likely have left the issue of slavery up to the states. Worst Democratic president ever!
How is a “state’s rights” approach to marriage supposed to work?
Bob and Alan live in North Carolina, which will not issue a marriage license or perform a ceremony for same-sex couples.
So Bob and Alan go to Las Vegas and get married.
They’re married.
Then they go home to NC. Since when can a state refuse to recognize a marriage from another state? They are married as far as their Federal taxes are concerned, but single as far as their NC taxes are concerned? Or if they have income from another state that recognizes same-sex marriages, they are married for that portion of their income? They can adopt a child in another state, but if they move their family to NC their adoption becomes null and void?
I just don’t see how this works.
Medical marijuana at least could be workable as a state’s rights issue, but I don’t see how marriage can be.
State’s rights is a Republican dog whistle.
He is claiming a liberal position while endorsing conservative policies.
Classic Obama.
Hats off for Clyburn from another angle: the stupid prejudices of black clergy. Which, like white clergy, is far worse in the South, which Clyburn has to deal with.
This was really brought home to me by a recent airing of NPR’s program “Tell Me More” hosted by Michelle Martin. (I love this program, never miss it.) She had black clerical guests to respond to this development and they made me throw up. Apparently Christian hatred trumps all decent human social functioning, regardless of race and regardless of historical experience with injustice and prejudice.
I was a bit surprised. My lens was clouded by the NAACP’s efforts in behalf of trying to defeat Amendment One in NC.
I’m feeling less alone the more people start to speak out about how empty Obama’s “support” really is.
Feeling the same as you.
Sigh.
Lincoln left slavery to the States.
Slavery was ended when Georgia became the 27th State to ratify the 13th Amendment freeing the slaves in the four slave States, and that amendment took effect on December 18th, 1865.
Any slave owner in a rebel State could have retained his slaves by moving with his slaves to one of the four slave States not in rebellion, so Lincoln was only freeing slaves as part of economic sanctions on rebelling citizens when US Army took control of territory as part of occupying martial law.
In Lincoln’s inaugural address, Lincoln supported a pending Constitutional amendment that would prohibit a future Constitutional amendment to end slavery.
So, Obama is no different on gay marriage than Lincoln was on slavery.
Anyone condemning Obama on gay marriage needs to equally condemn Lincoln for not only doing nothing to end slavery, but for actively supporting continuing slavery.
Just like Lincoln who left slavery up to the States.
I hope you consider Lincoln the Worst Republican President ever so we can appreciate your understanding of history.