Austerity has clear negative consequences for Greece, but one of the major problems in that country is an inability to collect taxes. That’s why all the austerity measures to “increase taxes” in Greece, without setting up or funding a new tax collection system, made no sense. And the one solution that did move in that direction, to couple property taxes with power bills, has failed miserably.
You guessed it, people stopped paying their electricity bills and now it looks like the power company – which had to be bailed out last month – has stopped even trying to collect the levy.
“Well-informed sources suggest that the new bills the company is issuing do not include the property levy despite the law providing for the first installment concerning 2012.”
The government had hoped to raise €1.7bn-€2bn from the levy in the fourth quarter of last year. But a massive unions-led civil disobedience movement against this “injustice” scuppered that and a ruling that it was illegal to disconnect people’s electricity supply for non-payment sent the collection rate even lower.
I don’t have a really good answer to this, other than the fact that we know that continued austerity inducing a depression causes mass social unrest pretty much everywhere it’s been tried. If you want people to follow the law, you need to provide them with a glimmer of hope that the law will help them succeed instead of pushing them down into poverty. Maybe it’s civil disobedience, or maybe it’s just an inability to pay.
Meanwhile, the idea that this is just a problem limited to Europe, without consequences for the United States, has been rendered inoperative by simple math. Jared Bernstein took a look at budget deficits in the US year over year and finds that we’re implementing a significant amount of austerity of our own, despite the fragile economic state:
…what matters in terms of foot-on-the-accelerator is the change in the budget deficit, and the fact is we’ve been letting up right as the economy appears to have a slowed a bit. Add state fiscal drag and the growing unemployment insurance cuts and you get the picture.
On the first point, the figure compares the budget deficit so far this fiscal year with the one from the same months of last FY. Last year’s was $150 billion more negative. Annualized, that’s enough to drive the unemployment rate a half-point higher than it would otherwise be.
Then there are all the state job losses, which are also keeping the unemployment rate elevated, as I show here.
Finally, as my CBPP colleague and UI expert Hannah Shaw points out, over 400,000 long-term unemployed persons in 25 high-unemployment states have lost UI benefits so far this year as the extended benefits program is ending in states across the land.
This is a global phenomenon of austerity coming out of the Great Recession, which in some cases is pushing countries back into recession, and which in all cases is dragging on economic growth despite elevated unemployment.




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Hey, Shooter! Come over here and defend your austerity!
Facts are not involved in defense of austerity so I’m sure he could do it. :)
It is just amazing to me that the central institution in all this is ignored and/or castigated, even as trillions are spent trying to get it going. Where do jobs come from, where do tax revenues come from, what is deficit spending trying to jump start? Business.
And yet, business is blamed for everything bad in the economy, even as it is the main driver of the economy. What’s that got to do with austerity? Everything.
Regarding austerity in isolation, what is the opposite? What we have now. We have a world which is supported by printing and borrowing. 40% of our budget is from borrowing/printing. Do you folks actually think such a system can go on indefinitely?
I’m amazed that Greece is essentially forced to provide free electricity, how long do you think that can go on? The proverbial free lunch is the left’s mantra with no plan on how to pay for it. how long can that go on?
At some point, countries have to act in a responsible fashion or suffer the same fate as Iceland, Greece, Italy, Spain, etc. etc. etc.
You can have a little austerity now or a whole lot later, your choice.
Following the law? Let’s get the pols to start. Ha. Then maybe the peeps will consider it.
So do those Greek shipping magnates ever dock their yachts in Greek harbors? How about a raiding party, throw the guy in jail for tax evasion & see how that works to get him to pay his taxes.
Biz decidedly does NOT create jobs. Consumers do. Even Henry Ford knew that.
Austerity is like evolution, climate change and the unrestricted ability to possess and carry firearms. The facts are in. We know the answers. Austerity during recession = bad, evolution = true, climate change = happening and at least partly anthropogenic in nature and a lack of reasonable gun regulations = more shootings. My question is why are we still having a debate about these things? It’s like arguing whether gravity exists or if the Earth is nearly spherical, there just isn’t any merit in arguing to the contrary of established fact.
Austerity isn’t the problem.
Being broke and still spending money is the problem.
Why would anyone think the slackers of the world could solve this problem?
But there’s ways around that too, isn’t there.
The MSM in America has Tea Party drones, without a B.S. in anything close to an Economics Degree, talk about cuts to safety net middle class programs as if they’re a done deal, already. Not a mention of cuts to the 1%ers regarding estate, capital gains, or income tax rejiggering on these brain dead talking-head shows. Couldn’t do it, wouldn’t be prudent. The muddled middle is confused. And that is just where both parties want them. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Europe takes a hard left turn and points the finger, correctly, at the problem. It’s the corrupt political class and Wall St. who should become a lot more austere. And, pronto. Will the birthplace of democracy point the way using the American practice of civil disobedience in the face of injustice? No taxation without representation ring a bell? While Americans sit on their hands, and take it in the shorts without a fight, Greek Irony is at play, again. What a Tragedy.
Define “broke” please. Because you can’t compare your own finances with national and world finances. It’s like comparing apples and oranges. In that case they are both round fruit that grows in trees but that’s where the similarity stops. In the case of micro vs macro economics, they both involve money and arithmetic but that’s about the end of the analogy. You say that austerity isn’t the problem and that being broke and still spending money is. If I’m reading this right, that’s exactly what austerity is: not spending enough to prop up a faltering economy because some clueless politicians think that debt = being broke.
“Austerity isn’t the problem.” It certainly is when you have a classic demand driven Recession, commonly referred to as a deflationary spiral. Somebody has to keep money being pumped into such an economy and this is what the State is there for in such a situation. ]It seems counter-intuitive but its not. Right now the people running the show are all doing a JFK jr. and all its doing is making the death spiral of their econs even worse.
This is odd. It is kind of like, when you lose your job, you can expect to not live so well until you get a new one.
The creaky floorboards have been around for years with guys like Krugman saying, “no big deal, don’t worry.”. No repairs got done, and we’re falling through the floor. And, you can’t “wish” the broken boards to stay whole.
For Greece, the end is near, literally. They won’t make it to June. Austerity is going to look pretty good then.
Austerity IS the problem aka aggregate demand.
I blame the banks. Are they business? Or just thieves?
Austerity is a scam supported by knaves and fools .If pressed ,its defenders will admit growth would never occur until we render ourselves to debt peonage so we can be competitive with Vietnam to attract investment capital .The banksters collapse the economy ,externalize $11-trillion onto the taxpayer ,and then work this austerity hustle to further hobble economies into a state of fear and desperation via which they can steal and monopolize all public wealth .These bankster parasites gutted the revenue base and hence created massive budget shortfall.As housing and portfolio values disappeared this devastated consumer demand and without this demand unemployment soared and the receipts plummeted .We need demand .
austerity is
there will still be a greece come july 1 inhabited by 6m(?) humans
what there might not be are many european banks holding greek bonds – a firesale is unlikely to save many of them
the biggest loser in the medium term is likely to be germany if greece is forced out of the euro, paving the way for spain and portugal, if not italy
trading costs with multiple currencies and customs duties across multiple borders are not going to be useful to the german exporters whose major markets are within the eu and it will not help german tourists across european borders either
it is easy to blame greece or potugal or spain for borrowing but their lenders were mostly german and french banks and don’t forget goldman sachs’ creative accounting
greece desperately needs to close tax loopholes, rather than new taxes
Did consumers build the factory, pay the workers, buy the raw materials? No.
If your argument were true the day laborers in front of the Home Depot should be building a house on their own with no property, no permits, no wages, no wood, and no plan.
Demand is ever present, the money to pursue it isn’t. That requires a job.
Not being able to pay back that debt is being broke, and currently the US, Japan, and the EU fit that description. We haven’t paid down our debt since 1956. We just keep piling it up. That’s being broke. The only difference between us and Greece is that people still think we can keep borrowing so they’ll get paid off.
It’s commonly known as the greater fool theory of finance.
Ok let’s try it this way.
What is the purpose of trying to boost aggregate demand? To jumpstart business, yes? But demand never goes away. You still want new clothes, a new car, a new house, yes? So what’s the problem?
Oh yes, money. You don’t have enough money to pay for those things. Govt can’t give you enough money to buy those things either. So what to do? I know! You get a job.
Is that sufficiently simple? No job no demand. Business is the driver of the economy, sole producer of wealth (goods and services), and basic provider of demand.
Ahh, yes. The typical rightwingnutjob answer. The lazy rich telling people who’ve worked harder than they could imagine that they should “work harder” or “get a job”.
Pray tell me, think of the appalling examples of poverty throughout time and place—those people just not want to work?
Rich people stealing wealth from everyone else?
-stewartm, in a nutshell
The problem with Greece is multifold. But its principal one is being the world’s most thoroughly entrenched oligarchy. Really, the Greek rich are so shameless they even make the Russians blush. So faced with watching their country collapse around them, they increase their efforts to steal national wealth and avoid making any contribution at all to financing the state. The state itself is complicit in this since it is composed of oligarchs, or wannabe oligarchs. Oligarchs had an excellent system of baubles they could hand out to useful idiots in the general population in the form of well-paid civil service jobs for which actual presence in an office etc. was not required. As far as I can tell, no one of these 10′s or 100′s of thousands of civil servants have been fired either. There’s much more besides. But so far, not one single Greek politician, including the radical left leading in the polls at the moment, have made any meaningful proposal to actually collect tax from the mega-rich. As eCahn suggested, throwing a few in jail might radically change the collection situation in a matter of days.
In your rush to judgement you missed my point. So let me try again using your example…
Of course they want to work. Why? Aggregate demand. They want food, shelter, clothes, etc. But according to people upthread, aggregate demand is sufficient to produce employment. Considering your example, that’s plainly wrong. Those people are poverty stricken because they have no jobs. Why are there no jobs? Because there are no businesses. Business is a requirement for jobs, which is a requirement for satisfying demand.
Are we on the same page now?
While I’m at it, rich people don’t steal wealth from everyone else. They create wealth. They are wealthy because they have something other people want to trade for their money. Did Steve Jobs steal? How about Bill Gates? Warren Buffet maybe?
Business is the only institution that creates wealth, (goods and services). Look around you, everything you have came from business. Not Govt, not labor, business.
Any questions?
Hey shooter you do realize free enterprise doesn’ t even need capital or could have county -based capital for trade expediency .It’s just paper dude .Keeping at the village level .which is what conservatives say they desire ,we have a shop-owning entrepreneur.he is both labor and business .and he relies on ,you guessed it ,to sell his tasty pies .As demand grows ,he hires other workers and regional lenders ,and pie eaters ,lend him paper for expansion .I f capital flow remains rooted as Adam Smith endorsed .it has circular accountability within a loop of labor ,investor and revenue .However .it all starts with the consumer investing paper,eggs .gold nuggets or whatever,on a gamble that the pie tasting good .You are not a learned man ,so if you also need to be schooled on why royal mooches are anti-American thieves and parasitesI,I will school you on macroeconomics .
You don’t actually have the *demand* unless they have the *money* to buy those things. The demand doesn’t exist if the money has been stolen from them.
And in all those examples across time and place, the poor were poor because their wealth nearly always had been taken by elites at the top–be they European feudal nobles or Chinese warlords or whatnot.
It’s the same here. Lookie at the incomes of the top 1 % (shooting through the work the past 30 years), lookie at worker productivity (climbing ever upwards the past 30 years) and then look at worker pay (downward the past 30 years).
It’s *theft*, pure and simple. Sometimes passive theft, by taking away worker protections (the equivalent of giving someone no police protection against thieves) sometimes active theft (by requiring the workers fund yet another boondoggle for the rich). But still *theft*.
-stewartm
???? That’s not how it works. It doesn’t start with the consumer. It starts with a pie. No pie, no consumer. The business of making pies has to exist before consumers can buy them, yes? That means the piemaker has to have a recipe, ingredients, and an oven, before anything else happens, much less hiring other people.
Demand can’t increase without money from jobs. Where do jobs come from? Business. Any questions?
We don’t have sufficient demand because some unknown person or persons stole all the money? Really? OK, tell me how your money has been stolen from you.