The Congressional Budget Office is out with their economic projections for the fiscal cliff. They pretty much match Goldman Sachs’ prediction from last week, but these are the numbers Congress is likely to parrot for the next 6 months, so we’d better take a look.
CBO projects that $607 billion in deficit reduction items are at stake at the end of 2012, when various tax and spending measures expire. Because the cuts will begin at the beginning of the calendar year and not the fiscal year, we’re talking about a substantial cliff:
Most of the policy changes that reduce the deficit are scheduled to take effect at the beginning of calendar year 2013, so budget figures for fiscal year 2013—which begins in October 2012—reflect only about three-quarters of the effects of those policies on an annual basis. According to CBO’s estimates, the tax and spending policies that will be in effect under current law will reduce the federal budget deficit by 5.1 percent of GDP between calendar years 2012 and 2013 (with the resulting economic feedback included, the reduction will be smaller).
When they refer to economic feedback, CBO means that federal revenues will shrink as a result, because economic growth will be stunted and unemployment will rise. In fact, CBO predicts a recession for the first half of 2013 if all the items on the fiscal cliff are allowed to go through.
Under those fiscal conditions, which will occur under current law, growth in real (inflation-adjusted) GDP in calendar year 2013 will be just 0.5 percent, CBO expects—with the economy projected to contract at an annual rate of 1.3 percent in the first half of the year and expand at an annual rate of 2.3 percent in the second half. Given the pattern of past recessions as identified by the National Bureau of Economic Research, such a contraction in output in the first half of 2013 would probably be judged to be a recession.
This represents about a 4% drop in GDP for 2013. In fact, CBO projects that GDP would grow 4.4% in 2013 if everything is extended a year. That includes the payroll tax cut, which nobody actually expects to be extended.
I do question the 4.4% growth projection, which is sunnier than virtually every economic analysis I’ve seen. But the 4% drop in overall GDP fits with other data. On the flip side, extending the policies indefinitely would raise the debt to GDP ratio, whereas allowing the policies to expire would lower that ratio.
CBO sets this up as a choice: risk a recession in the first half of 2013, or risk a larger debt crisis down the road. Those are not the only alternatives.
For example, letting the Bush tax cuts expire and then coming back with a different set of “Obama tax cuts” could reshape the tax code to promote a healthy middle class, while taking in more revenue. Eliminating tax cuts at the high end would hardly affect growth to any real degree; Jared Bernstein puts it at about $24 billion in “foregone stimulus” for 2013, and I think the number could be lower; you’re talking about tax cuts that largely are going into bank accounts, which for the truly wealthy should not impact their spending whatsoever. The key about a tax cut expiration policy is that it’s not like the fiscal impact of expiration starts pounding within a week; you could design a retroactive policy, where the Bush tax cuts are dead and buried and pressure is put on Republicans to pass a new round of tax cuts to avoid recession.
That won’t be entirely true, however. I wrote yesterday that Washington is calling this choice at the end of the year “Taxmageddon,” but the taxes are not the real issue; it’s the trigger cuts and the expired unemployment insurance, which would hit growth much harder than the taxes. Those would have to be dealt with in that calendar year; I would doubt that you could get retroactive trigger restoration after the fact.
CBO offers the option of “changes in taxes and spending that would widen the deficit in 2013 relative to what would occur under current law but that would reduce deficits later in the decade relative to what would occur if current policies were extended for a prolonged period,” and that’s basically the grand bargain strategy. But CBO is not specific about it.
And granted, all of this makes far too many assumptions about the November elections and who will actually be in office come the following year.




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And our good prez, who came in with those heavy margins in both houses, and a real mandate for change, has basically done jackshit, other than to show himself to be Ayn Rand-lite…
As with the mid-terms, I think the voters are onto him:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/poll-romney-now-leads-obama-florida-125757880.html
Romney will surely be worse, but about all he has to do is avoid major fuckups, and I think his chances will keep improving.
If Obama is elected, which is what most people expect, and if the Republicans keep the House, which is what I expect, from the figures you have posted here the US economy will experience its worst year since 1932. Put that together with a euro crisis, and we really will have a Great, as opposed to moderate Depression. 2014 should be an interesting year.
I think you can expect the next President to go after Social Security, whether it’s Obama or Rmoney.
I’m voting for Jill Stein. I voted for Obama last time, but he’s lost me.
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tan…now you know those CBO guys are a bunch of “gloomy guses”. They never see the naked woman in the room, only the fact that she has necrotizing fasceitis. I’m sure that Boehner and Obama, with the help of those three outstanding patriots Timmy Geithner, Eric Cantor and Mitch McConnell will not allow the economy to get worse.
Hang on…..”no, I don’t want to go back the hospital ward. PLease, no more ECT, I’ll be good. Not the straight jacket, please, I’ll go…”
I LIKE tuna, mac n cheese.
I’m in Texas. State is red anyway. My vote is Jill Stein too.
BTW, we’re ordering some “Jill Stein Stein” beermugs. I’ll let you know when they come it.
Jill stein is clearly the better choice. But she can’t win. So not sure I want to waste a vote on her. Gonna wait awhile longer. We could be headed to a real depression as someone already said. This debt limit bs may be the worst of all to face as we know where the austerity freaks stand on that.
Obama still doesn’t get that he is not supposed to be a passive observer to all this shit. He should be leading. Takes a little effort and vision. Fresh out of that stuff. But he can cheer lead what strikes his fancy on any given day.
Tuna may be too expensive. How about Mac and cheese?
Buy the dented cans. They’ll give them to you 25% off.
No. You musta missed my plan. Allow me to serious. Democrats in “red” states vote for Stein. Republicans (assuming we can find some reasonable republicans who don’t want to vote for romney) in “blue” states vote for Stein. That way you are not wasting your vote. With the electoral college, your “cobtrarian” vote in a non-contested state is useless anyway. You add up all the Stein votes and that shows both parties how many people are disgusted with them. A third party can’t “elect” a candidate, but we can be a power, the 15-18% that actually decide an election.
Hey, best plan I’ve heard. I got this from Willie Nelson in one of his more lucid moments.
Oh, yeah, but Obama’s now TALKING shit about Romney. That means Obama should be on Rushmore, right? :o)
Seriously, I think you nailed the post-election thingy, even if Obama wins. I mean, WTF is Obama going to have left to barter away to the republicans?
If Romney’s opened up a 6 point lead in Florida, that’s bad news for Mr. Centrist. If he falls into a double-digit deficit there, he’s political roadkill. In this election, you lose Florida, and you lose.
“He should be leading.
I agree, except, I’d change the tense to:
“He should have been leading…three years ago.”
Now, I think it’s too late for him to make any real changes in the american political and economic landscape. His political gonads are sitting in that mayo jar on Boehner’s desk, and after 3 and a half years of “bipartisan” failure, I have doubts that the voters will trouble themselves to return them to him.
You know what? You’re right. I live in a red state. so I may indeed do just that.
He may have the rest of his life to figure out how he screwed up an historical moment. But history won’t give him a pass.
My vote was wasted on Obama, because he did win, and then did so many things I abhor.
I live in Ohio, but I won’t have Obama’s murders of women and children in our so-called “War on Terror” on my hands again.
Or his related suppression of the press.
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The experts say that Florida and Ohio will very likely decide the winner. Both are “tossups” right now.
OTOH, many say Romney can’t win. The reason, women and hispanics. Too big of a “gap” with Obama.
Anyway……Friskie’s “chicken dinner” is pretty good. Just stay away from the “super supper.”
Spot on post, David.
There is an analysis that is out (CBO I believe) that has the cliff with and without the Clinton tax rates returning – and it is only a 0.5% reduction in next years GDP growth.
ZERO POINT 5 PERCENT !!!! 0.5% !!!!!
The Clinton Tax rates return and we have a president that can reshape the fairness of the code – but I guess that is something the White House Staff does not want. Obama Tax Cuts would not be as strong a legacy as Obama destruction of Medicare and Social Security in the Grand Bargain.
I think, and you know how much that pains me, that Obama is planning on destroying Romney in the debates. His flip-flopping may likely be a big problem. Een Georege Will has mentioned it. He calls it Romney’s “flexibility in conviction”. The “elevators for my cars” incident has really turned a lot of people off. Lastly, a lot of evangelical Christians may not not vote for him.
IF, and it’s a big IF, 15-18% of the populace votes “none of the above”, might, just might, give both parties a message. I won;t vote for Obama again either but no way I’ll vote for Romney.
Always enjoy our posts and comments.
Ditto. Jill Stein and no incumbants in primaries.
Don’t recall seeing you here before. You seem to think the same way I do. His use of drones for “extrajudicial assassinations” and the innocent people they have killed (I head as many as 1,200) was the last straw for me.
Can I order you a Jill Stein Stein???
When are the mugs coming in??????
You can’t describe voting for who you want or believe will do the best job as President as a wasted vote. Vote your conscience not your fear. Voting for winners won’t change anything because the game as it is currently played is rigged. If progressives stopped voting for lesser of two evils maybe 2016 will be a different story. Now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their country. (8th grade typing class)
We can’t order them from China so I’m having them hand made in Taos by American artists. p.s. is $350.00 each too much?
This ain’t no government project!
I got a Chinese guy her that can deliver them for just 75 cents apiece. He’ll imprint them with Jill’s name and “Go Green”. Only problem is they got an American flag on them with only 48 stars.
Is that a deal breaker????
We may be lucky if we still have at least 48 States in a few years.
How many stars on the Chinese flag?
I figure, if we don’t send any mugs to Alaska and Hawaii, nobody will get pissed.
Obama’s been an extremely effective leader, if you’re a Bankster, Health Insurance provider, Big Oil, Big Pharma, MIC warmonger, Industrial Farmer, Security provider, etc. If you belong to the 99%, not so much.
It doesn’t really matter which one of these two yahoos win, except that Obama will be able to dismantle the New Deal and murder/disappear more people without “Democratic” token objections. The people of the USA will, once again, be the losers.
Yes. Just…yes.
Will they say “Jill” on the front? I mean, it is already a stein, right? Don’t really need the last name on it.
I’m more a fan of ProPlan, for dogs. Cats practically aren’t from planet Earth. Their food is different, they have to be prescribed different medications, they have those funky eyes, etc.
Plus, ProPlan never had the problems with tainted Chinese ingredients.
I didn’t think of that. They DO charge by the letter. Thanks!
You OK with the stars thing?????
I heard that ProPlan is very good over wheat pasta. Kinda pricey????
I’m all about quality.
I’m a little concerned about the 48 stars. If I want to use the mug as an icebreaker to talk about Jill Stein, I don’t want to make it seem offensive by having a bad flag.
Is it visible?
It’s on both sides, front and back.
In that case, I think I’ll pass. I really like that idea, though. Kudos.
I was in Florida on Election Night 2008. Obama won the election an hour and a half before he won Florida. So with or without Florida, it’s winnable. Stick with reality, it’s more exciting. And (big advantage) it’s real.