So here’s a new development in this Nancy Pelosi/Bush tax cut situation. Last night, a new coalition called “Americans for Tax Fairness” was formed, composed of nearly 30 labor unions and progressive groups. They have a Facebook page here (UPDATE: That is not a Facebook page for this iteration of Americans for Tax Fairness, but an older page for an unassociated group with the same name). The Wall Street Journal has a story about them here. And their entire reason for being is to call on Congress to let the Bush tax cuts expire beyond $250,000. This is the same figure that’s in the President’s budget. But it’s not the figure Nancy Pelosi used in her letter this week to John Boehner. She defined “middle-class tax cuts” as everything under $1 million in income. The initial press release from Americans for Tax Fairness specifically criticizes that.
“We established Americans for Tax Fairness to help make the economy work for all,” said Americans for Tax Fairness Campaign Manager Frank Clemente. “To achieve this goal, we need adequate levels of investment in critical areas like education and rebuilding infrastructure that create and sustain jobs. We also need a balanced and equitable approach to the federal budget challenges we face, which includes protecting critical services for the middle class and the most vulnerable. This requires that we all pay our fair share of taxes, especially big corporations and the richest 2 percent making more than a quarter of a million dollars a year.”
There are proposals on the table to end the Bush tax cuts for those making $1 million a year. One of the coalition members, Citizens for Tax Justice (CTJ), estimates that 43 percent of the tax revenue would be lost if the threshold for extending the Bush tax breaks is set at $1 million in income rather than at $250,000 – the level President Obama has proposed. In addition, CTJ estimates that half of the breaks resulting from moving the threshold from $250,000 to $1 million would go to people with income exceeding $1 million.
Just to shed some light on how these coalitions get formed: it doesn’t happen overnight. It’s not like Pelosi sent her letter on Wednesday and you have a coalition critiquing her by Thursday afternoon. When you have large organizations like the AFL-CIO, AFSCME and SEIU, pretty much every economic think tank on the left like CTJ and the Economic Policy Institute and the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, along with big progressive organizations like MoveOn and the National Council of La Raza, you need a lot of lead time to confirm everything out. In other words, my working thesis is that this coalition to push for the expiration of the Bush tax cuts at the same level of the President was in the works for some time. Then Pelosi inexplicably changed the dividing line, and Americans for Tax Fairness rushed out their product to counter her.
So now we have a fight on the left over tax revenues. And it’s not even a particularly good fight. $250,000 a year isn’t exactly middle-class, either, and both approaches assume that the Clinton-era tax rates were too high for 98% of all Americans. That actually may be the case on January 1, 2013, just on the level of not wanting to pursue tax-side austerity. But over time, there’s no reason to suggest that the Clinton-era tax rates were overly burdensome. There may be a better way to structure the tax code other than the Clinton-era rates, perhaps through expanding the EITC or giving refundable tax credits at the low end and keeping the rates higher on income, so that everyone pays a bit more on their early dollars while the poor still benefit from lower taxes. The Bush tax cut structure certainly doesn’t do that, and until you unwind those tax cuts, you’re not going to get a fairer tax code.
Anyway, the point is that Pelosi’s action has really damaged the ability to come to a decent resolution on the revenue side at the end of the year. The consequences of her shift is that 50% of the foregone revenues go to millionaires. And as for how this would work with the Buffett rule, the Administration that created the Buffett rule still wanted to go with $250,000 as the dividing line, and they clearly amassed a very large progressive coalition behind that principle.
What a mess.
P.S. Incidentally, I am glad that Americans for Tax Fairness also supports deriving MORE money from corporate tax reform than a revenue-neutral approach, which has been the watchword of the Obama Administration on this.





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…the point is that Pelosi’s action has really damaged the ability to come to a decent resolution on the revenue side at the end of the year.
The point I think you know but don’t really address here is that Pelosi is not saying anything that wasn’t coordinated with and approved by the Obama White House on the Bushbama tax cuts. Pelosi is a consummate Democratic pol, and what she’s doing here is carrying water for the administration. She most certainly is not speaking out of turn. If she had been, she’d have had to walk those comments on the tax cuts back almost immediately. And she hasn’t.
This is where Obama intends to go. And Pelosi’s job is to put it out there and make it the new “centrist” Dem baseline. I’d bet on it…and I am not a betting man.
The Wall Street wing of the party fires back:
Sure, raise taxes so Obama can funnel even more money into voluntary wars and nude body scanners. Sounds like a great plan.
In 1945, Corporate America paid $1.50 in taxes for every $1.00 paid by individual taxpayers (that’s you and me).
Today, Corporate America pays $.25 (that’s twenty-five cents) for every dollar paid by us.
Time to kick it back to the 1945 rates.
Those will always be paid for — or didn’t you hear Republican Majority Leader John Boehner say that he was holding the budget hostage just so the Pentagon wouldn’t be touched in the next round of austerity insanity?
This money would actually go towards non-DoD stuff for a change.
This money would actually go towards non-DoD stuff for a change.
Yup. The TSA. The Department of Homeland Security. Banks. Wall Street. Outfitting your local law enforcement with more paramilitary gear. Domestic drones. Increased surveillance. And other good stuff!
Romberry,
I think you’re on to the game. The day before Pelosie’s statement, she & Boner (aka, Boehner) met with Obama in the WH to “talk about the debt ceiling.” The saem day as Pelosie’s statement, Boner floated his debt ceiling position: raising the ceiling should come from spending cuts & tax reform.
By pretending to fight over the debt ceiling in July, the president & Boner can play good cop/bad cop, kick the decision into Dec. with the lame duck congress. After the election they’ll come to a “compromise”. Wanna bet Social Security “reform” is part of the grand plan?
I don’t believe anything they say publicly.
Repairing that bridge you ride over, ect
The BushCo tax cuts for the rich will be extended (again). The last time Obama extended them he had much bigger margins in Congress. Why would it be different this time?
$250,000, $1 million, why the arbitrary number. They’re Bush Tax Cuts For The Rich. End them all!
Yes, end them all. I agree with you. Why- because you can’t get a deal
with the Repugs that cuts out just the 1%. If I remember right,this would
raise $4 trillion (over 10 years) which would basically “solve” our deficit
problem. Also it is how to “hard-a.s” bargain. Not that Obama,the CAVER,
would do this. And while maintaining this position,all other financial
issues to be solved-including raising the debt ceiling,not touching
SS and Medicare,and the like.
I don’t know why I keep doing this david, it seems you never participate in your own threads, anyway I must point out for everyone else since you don’t ever seem to get it
these are NOT the bush “tax cuts”, they are the obama “tax cuts”, bush’s “tax cuts” EXPIRED
that’s the first thing
the second, they are NOT “tax cuts” they are a redistribution of middle class assets into the pockets of the wealthy
buy I sure am tired of responding to authors who don’t participate in their own threads
I don’t have too many issues with firedog lake but this is one of them, authors MUST participate on their own threads, it NEEDS to be a rule here
Yep, it would be nice wouldn’t it.
Thank you! I was going to say that if you had not. George Bush could not possibly have signed any tax cuts in 2010 because George Bush was not president in 2010.
So When is Nancy going to endorse Mitt? With Blue Dog Dems like this who needs Republicans?
Seconded on writers responding to threads thats one of the things that make FDL great and helps drive comments. Comments mean the more time we spend at the site and I am sure help with advertising that helps fund the Lake.
Responding to ideas from comments helps make our writers better. I have been calling them the Bush/Obama tax cuts for the rich myself small difference but I can see your point.
This is more proof of what a fraud Nancy Pilosi is.
Proof of what a fraud the entire Democratic Party is. Obama isn’t a CAVER he is a tool of the 1% Corporatocracy. We currently are powerless and will watch what we know will happen this year. Austerity and suffering for the 99% and more wealth collected by the PTB.
You’re right.
Thanks Perris, Yep those are the Obama give away for the rich
title of article is off though, Tax Cut Fight on the Left
Obama, Pelosi, Democrat party is NOT the left.they are corporate representives of the 1% and Banksters, rightwingers
the left and progressives should be throwing out these bums
there is no left or progressive party in the US
Greece seems ahead they replaced their 2 party system with a new party
that represents the citizens of Greece instead of the Banksters
there is no left or progressive party in the US
I’m not so sure about that. Unfortunately, getting people who say they are liberals/progressives to actually vote that way is another question. Lesser evilism (or paraphrasing Glen Ford at BAR, more effective evilism) is apparently all the rage these days.
Read the planks of the Green Party platform. It’s progressive. I’m voting Green and against all incumbants this year and 2014 and 2016. It is one of the only avenues I think can reinstitute a Democratic system to our nominal Constitutional Democracy. If you agree to be in a democracy you have to agree to Majority rules with respect to minority rights. We are running things opposite of that right now. Majority want wars ended, social programs strengthened, clean water, green energy, no nukes, legal pot, etc. Every poll shows this but here we are.
For the record I own a business (one of Boehners “Job Creators”)and know it is simply absurd that I would not hire an additional worker if it cost me an extra $3 per $100 of income (the rate going from 35% to 38%). Any none lying business person would say the same.
Whether or not its over $100k or over $250k to let tax cuts expire misses the main point. Most business people do not pay themselves a huge amount in wages (so they can avoid FICA taxes). Much of their salary per say is in stock options, or dividends or capital gains and that is where we need tax reform.
Since it is a talking point and we don’t want to have tax austerity I believe that Bush tax cuts should end for those above $250 k per year in income. But more importantly all income whether it be from work or dividends or capital gain NEEDS to be treated as regular income for federal and FICA tax purposes.
Fox news is prone to say that 40% of Americans don’t pay tax when what they mean is no federal income tax. I say that 100% of wealthy Americans don’t pay their fair share of FICA tax-which funds Social Security and Medicare. Count all wages not just wages from work for FICA tax and eliminate the special treatment of capital gains and dividends for Federal tax purposes (ie all income taxed as REGULAR income) and we go a long way toward tax equality.
The best move would be to tax everyone at a base 10% rate (from current 7.9% rate) for FICA and have no cap on it and tax capital gains and dividends as regular income and we are really moving forward. If that happened then we suddenly are fully funded FOREVER, we could immediately lower full retirement age to 62 (and partial down to 60) which would open million of jobs to the younger people entering the job force and MOST importantly we could immediately go to MEDICARE for all which would actually be very positive for true American grown business’s. Oh and by the way, since corporations are people too (according to Romney) they should be allowed to pay the full new 10% Fica tax on their own gross income (like worker do) since they get the same rights politically as individuals.
Bottom line let all Bush tax cuts expire (including special treatment on dividends and capital gains) and at start of 2013 propose a tax cut for those under 250k or better yet under 150k. While doing it propose taking cap off Social Security portion (cap already off Medicare portion) and treating all income as regular income for SS and Medicare purposes.And since Corps have right of individual they also should pay FICA tax on themselves. NOW THAT WOULD BE SOME TAX FAIRNESS.
May I put your name in for Treasury Secretary after the revolution?
I know that people on FDL are smarter than this thread implies.
The Pelosi letter and comment was ONLY meant to box the GOP in. Her letter referred to doing something on the tax cuts NOW.
She knows Boehner is not going to up the taxes on ANYBODY, 200K, 500K or 1 million.
She did it to have a good talking point of “he won’t even raise taxes on those over a million!! This guy is nuts!” or meaning to that effect.
It makes Boehner look even more unreasonable. Not raising over 250K, somewhat unreasonable, over a million? Extremely unreasonable.
No legislation is actually going to come up now. Pelosi knows that. She is trying to get a Dem majority in the House. THAT’s her goal. She wants the issue, and wants it framed the best it can be. She knows very well that no laws of any kind on this issue are going to come up before November.
So, people here getting ALL worked up about Pelosi saying a million is astounding.
Pelosi’s letter was a PR ploy and nothing more.
While coordinated with the WH, the WH not saying it preserves their option to go to $250 when the actual time comes. “Pelosi said that, not us…”
FDL people are smarter than this.
Know I could do a better job than the corporate whore who is there now in my sleep lol.
By the way re-instate Glass Steagull and Full one page no exemption Voecker rule TODAY. A bank should be either a commercial bank (with access to fed window and guaranties) or an investment bank BUT NEVER should be allowed to be both. GS was main culprit in getting those changes and should be criminally punished for it. Most Wall Streets bigs should be in stripes and I don’t mean pinstripes. Dimon and the boys are the essence of what is wrong in corporate culture today. And why I am at it when is the media going to finally get down to the difference between private equity (ie Leveraged Buy Out firms) and venture capital (investment in quality start-ups). The difference is huge and is the difference betwee “angel” investing to build business and vulture capitalism which destroys it.
love your post, one addendum which you did touch base on but I would like to touch base again;
I would find a method for equalizing regressive taxes so the poor aren’t paying more then the wealthy on use taxes fees and services, regressive taxes are the real problem that never seems to find a solution
Yes, it does seem like she picked a big, safe number. Most random people would easily support “taxing millionaires”. It’s a really catchy concept, see? Simple message, repeat it over and over, lather, rinse, repeat.
And then, I think nothing will actually get done.
Is it true that SS fund has been raided several times in the past by transferring money to the general fund? Would SS be solvent if Government just paid back what it took out?
SS has 2.6 trillion in US obligations in it right now and is currently fully funded until roughly 2032 (less every year that we give a 2% payroll holiday on it). SS fund has zero to do with the debt and anyone who claims so is an out and out liar.
SS/Medicare is the most progressive tax we have in America. With a true Medicare for all it would be even more so as since you would pay (hypothetically 10%) on all income (wages and dividends and capital gains) those who were wealthier would pay more in real dollars for the exact same care. Medicare is meant to be a base coverage thing so those who wanted more could always go the supplimental route. As far as SS am sure there would be a need test administered so that even though someone would pay in it 10% on all income would be some diminshing return on benefit payout as SS is not meant as a full retirement program but more a base anti poverty program. Example I would give was that no matter how much paid in maybe a cap of $48,000 paid out per year or $4000 per month. Now that hedge fund manager making 5 billion per year and geting to pay in to FICA at 10% rate or 500 million per year may not like his 48k per year payout plus free base medical coverage thru medicare for all but think he can soldier on through with his remaining 4.5 billion per year before Federal income tax which COULD then be lowered to starve defense expenditures.
that’s actually what they are afraid of, paying back bonds taken against social security
they used ss to claim surplus to justify “tax cuts”, things like that
also, why in the hell does the labor class pay into it against their entire salary and the wealthy pay into it on a fraction of their salary?
Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems the right thing to do is let ALL the Bush tax cuts expire. Also, it’s a more achievable goal. The median annual household income in America is less than $50K – not $250K. Can the Dems possibly be that out of touch?
yes
I understand what you’re saying, but I think there’s an art to staking out a position for political advantage: she has to consider that her position might actually become law someday.
Also, it’s far from certain that pre-compromising on this issue will net her more votes than if she hadn’t done it.
I don’t know as though a cap is really needed. Are you aware of the current “bend point” system? I don’t have the details here, but it works something like this. Whatever your average pay-in was, you get 90% of the first $500. Then you get 30% of the next $5000, and then you get 15% of the rest.
This way people with low average incomes still get enough to survive, and people that pay in more still get back more, although not a big percent.
Probably more politically expedient not to have an absolute cap but still favor it at some point. Using the hedge fund manager example and greatly simplifying it lets say he pays into SS a true 500 million (10% of 5 billion not counting portion going to Medicare). Even at bent 15% his payout if top 40 quarters were at that rate would be almost 75 million per year which would not be acceptable at all lol….
A 10% pay in rate uncapped would do so much. Currently breakdown is 2.9% Medicare and 5% SS (I believe) so could bump SS retirement portion to 6% and still raise Medicare portion from 2.9 all the way to 4%. Those amounts uncapped on 100% of all income not just wages would be enormous….
A Maximum Wage Law is what’s needed. A progressive, 100% marginal tax rate for anything over X million — the specific number I’d be happy to negotiate. THIS is a “job creator.”
Coming here late and skipped the previous comments so one or more may have already hit this point, but…
Are you fucking kidding?
Exactly what are labor unions — led by sellouts like Trumka, Gerard, etc. — going to do if the Dems don’t follow along?
Answer: Nothing.
Progressive groups? There are no genuine progressive groups that would align themselves with these sellout unions.
This is all election year kabuki posturing.
I’d be willing to have the first $40,000 of all income tax exempt. It’s insane to take money from people making $20,000 or less. It’s like asking to create a situation where we need to subsidize them for necessities.