Scarecrow has already gone on in this space about the New York Times’ big takeout today about the “kill list” – the President’s leadership in presiding over a list of suspected terrorists that the US then assassinates with Predator drone strikes. There’s a lot that can be said about this article, most of it from Glenn Greenwald. Note that the Administration has minimized civilian casualties by changing semantics, using the term militants to refer to all adult males within a particular kill zone. And Marcy Wheeler adds that John Brennan has been proven as a liar through this article on the subject of civilian casualties.
I want to focus on the incredible context for this article. For despite the participation of dozens of Administration officials – many of them on the record – in detailing the inner workings of the targeted assassination program, we’re still operating in a world where the US government officially denies that any such program exists.
In this article, you have President Obama’s current national security advisor, Thomas Donilon, speaking on the record. Former Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair – who gives the distinct impression that he resigned over these drone strikes – is on the record. Former chief of staff Bill Daley is on the record. Plenty of other senior intelligence officials are quoted on background. The word “drone” appears 17 times in the article. That includes this passage:
It is also because Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent [...]
This counting method may partly explain the official claims of extraordinarily low collateral deaths. In a speech last year Mr. Brennan, Mr. Obama’s trusted adviser, said that not a single noncombatant had been killed in a year of strikes. And in a recent interview, a senior administration official said that the number of civilians killed in drone strikes in Pakistan under Mr. Obama was in the “single digits” — and that independent counts of scores or hundreds of civilian deaths unwittingly draw on false propaganda claims by militants.
This acknowledgment of civilians killed in drone strikes effectively acknowledges the existence of a drone program, as does the rest of the article, multiple reporting on drone strikes that continue to this day, entire books about the drone program, on-the-record quotes in the recent past from the Defense Secretary and the President himself, and on and on.
But the official position of the government is that the program is classified, and its existence cannot be verified. As I reported last week, in a recent filing in federal court, the government sought to cancel a FOIA request on documents about the drone program from the ACLU, arguing that even though Administration officials have spoken about the program in public, it remains a secret. They claim in the brief that national security would be threatened if they publicly acknowledged the program. But here’s a long takeout with plenty of participation from the White House, entirely about that same program.
This is absolutely maddening. We can’t have a debate about the efficacy of drones in the Obama era, because Obama’s Administration will never admit its existence, in the process keeping facts about the program that would offer a broader discussion a secret. Instead we get one-sided pieces like this, told from the Administration’s preferred perspective, the information in which comes only from a particular worldview. It happens to still be fairly damning in this case, but it’s not a complete picture. And the continued appeal to state secrets on the drone program at this point, after an article like this, is revealed to be mostly a joke.





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Obama: drones we can believe in.
No, it’s absolutely about a police state. If you think they’re acting two-faced about the foreign drone program, just wait until they play both sides of the coin about the eventual domestic drone kill program.
And with no collateral damage either!
They don’t need to kill american citizens. They can arrest us as “suspected terrorists” and detain us indefinately.
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Uh oh.
Also in article says Obama supervises the program and is the one who gives the kill orders. I read several months ago on another site that claims to have a WH Insider that O was in charge of the program and gets off on giving the kill order, and now it is confirmed in NYT. The insider also said several months ago that O will try to use the race card, and that he was against taking out OBL. This latter point has since been covered in MSM. WHI has said many things and seems quite a few are proving to be correct.
Nothing like a little Neanderthal* chest-pounding to make classification issues go away, eh? Damn, if this self-preening bloodlust doesn’t sound just like the Chimp.
But, you know, vote Obama and stuff.
I remember another justification from another time that sounded like this: “If he’s running, he’s VC.” It seems we’ve learned precisely nothing in the interim.
Perhaps HL Mencken was right when he said, “Americans know what they want and they’re going to get it good and hard.”
*–apologies to Neanderthals, most of whom were probably more civilized than the current POTUS.
Lewis Carroll, meet Franz Kafka.
I can’t wait to see the excuses for Obama if that happens in his second term.
I’m like Greenwald. If this EXACT same thing were going on with Karl Rove giving George W. Bush advice on who to kill and who not to kill with drones, the entire left would be united and loudly proclaiming how wrong it is.
But Obama does it, and….. only “firebaggers” from the left point out that it’s still wrong.
The guy admits he gives kill orders. The guy signed a bill giving him the authority to arrest and detain any American citizen ANYWHER in the world with NO rights whatsoever (not even habeaus corpus). The Guy argued before the SCOTUS that he could sign a piece of paper and that means a person becomes a “non-person” and is not entitled to any right an actual person would be.
And yet right here on this site, a majority of commenters are going to vote for them. They’re going to vote FOR THAT GUY.
It’s just remarkable. TPTB can just manipulate the two parties to be just different enough that normally sane folks, believing they’re just doing the best they can, perform an insane act. I don’t think it would’ve argued 50 years ago whether Americans voting for a President that declared he could arrest and detain you forever, and rendition you to be tortured, and even kill you, would’ve been a sane voter. Today it’s a majority apparently.
This country is going to get exactly what it deserves when it votes for someone supporting policies like that.
Fired up? Ready to go?
What, the base isn’t happy? What’s wrong with you people?
Everything’ll be fixed in the second term.
This is Obama’s version of “government transparency”. Don’t you just love the 21st century redefinition of terminology? Someone should publish a 21st century version of Webster’s Dictionary so we can document the extent to which words now mean the antithesis of their original definitions.
Except for Jill Stein, the other two will do the exact same thing. And I am not really sure about Jill stein.
Yes, it is all maddening. But what are any of us gping to do to change it?
I agree with you but you make it sound like we get a choice. We haven’t had one of those in decades if no longer.
Yet another example of the farcical rubric:
“National Security”
The only thing this deception secures is power for a minority.
We have a choice as to whether to vote for either of the two candidates on the ballot that will carryout these policies. No one is forcing anyone to vote for Romney OR Obama. Those that do, do so by CHOICE.
The only other option is Jill Stein?
Obama goes all Blood_Guts drawing up assassination lists, using drones, armies and elite Special Forces against men, women and children far from the USA.
On Capital Hill, ‘Thor’ surrenders without a fight on Guantanamo, Public Option, deficits. He can’t even deliver a veto he previously threatened to use, pursue bank fraud or keep the Dems in line with his agenda.
(To be fair, he does go Godzilla against legal medical marijuana users).
And that “choice”, OFG, is more than a simple “exercise”, it is CONSENT.
It is agreement to murderous behavior, it is assent to the destruction of the Rule of Law and civil society.
Those who vote for evil … enable evil.
So the “choice” is not simply a political act, it is a moral decision, as well. It reflects, directly, in these times, the personal and human “values” of ALL of the participants …
DW
As a particularly perceptive woman said long ago, “If voting changed anything it would be illegal”.
“This is absolutely maddening.”
This is maddening because the official position of the US government assassination program which includes the ever encroaching police state around the world is ‘Don’t believe your lying eyes.’
When the government disavows any knowledge of any secret assassination program yet touts its supposed successes, it causes conflict in the mind of the rational observer of these events. Logic dictates that the lack of accountability eventually leads to abuse.
Only a “Democrat” will be able to destroy the Rule of Law and the New Deal without even token opposition. Obama is that man.
I’m still trying to figure out how it would be different if McCain had been elected. Why is it taking so long?
GAME SET MATCH
that is preciely why we must elect Mittens
newspeak 1984
Bluedot12 says “what are any of us going to do to change it?” Contribute $$ to the ACLU. I can and I have and I will. And they are also in my will.
You can do the same.
What’s the difference between Obama and Romney?
Trick question, there is none. Hah, got you there!
Come on … cut the guy a break. This tactic worked with the Israeli nuke program for decades. Can’t Obama have even four measly years of being disingenuous without everyone getting up in his grille?
This is exactly what I have decided: contribute to the ACLU and work for the National Lawyers Guild. Then I work on local campaigns that really matter. I have no more words regarding Obama. He’s simply off doing something I cannot relate to and actually doing worse for us than any other president in the last few decades. I read a statistic in an Op Ed for WSJ basically saying that under Clinton 45% of the money from the recovery went to the 1%, under Bush 63% and under Obama 93%. When you further factored in the debacle you just know they are going to make out of the Bush tax cuts and not allowing them to expire AND the automatic cuts set for next year, there is no doubt whatsoever that Obama is and has been a truly, horrendous, verifiably awful progressive president.
I think that since the assassination of John F. Kennedy, all serious candidates for President must be approved by the CIA.
> They don’t need to kill american citizens. They can arrest us
> as “suspected terrorists” and detain us indefinately.
No, no and no. That was the GW Bush Old New World Order. In the Obama New New World Order, he just kills you.
Obama is an evil man.
If McCain had become President, Democrats would still be frothing at the mouth over mere torture instead of cheering on for outright assassinations.