President Bill Clinton will campaign tomorrow in Milwaukee for Tom Barrett in his recall fight against Scott Walker. Greg Sargent writes that this was a late-game decision that involved heavy lobbying from leaders in the Democratic Party.
People like to extrapolate from last-minute campaign events like this about the state of races. I’ve heard others look at the mobilizing against non-existent voter fraud on the right and assume that Walker allies must think the recall is going to be close. In reality, this recall is a particularly hard one to figure. It’s fairly unprecedented, especially in a state like Wisconsin with high political engagement. Both sides appear to have plenty of enthusiasm, and there are few undecideds. Public polling has shown a consistent lead for Walker, but private polling from the Democratic side shows a tie race, and Republicans have not countered that with polling of their own.
To figure out what will really happen, I think you have to factor in what Sargent writes here:
Labor and Dems are widely believed to have a superior ground game to that of Walker, though it’s still unclear whether it will be enough to compensate for Walker’s seeming lead in the polls. A Clinton visit, Dems hope, will galvanize base turnout (the black vote in Milwaukee, for example) just enough to put Barrett over the top.
Ah, the ground game. This is seen as the savior, with labor throwing a lifeline to Barrett to pull him over the finish line. There’s one thing about this that I can’t get past. The goal of Walker’s anti-worker bill was to decimate public sector unions, to ruin the funding base for Democrats in Wisconsin elections. In other words, the bill was designed to deal with close races like this, to give Republican candidates an advantage. And a story in the Wall Street Journal sticks out like a sore thumb on this point:
Public-employee unions in Wisconsin have experienced a dramatic drop in membership—by more than half for the second-biggest union—since a law championed by Republican Gov. Scott Walker sharply curtailed their ability to bargain over wages and working conditions [...]
Wisconsin membership in the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees—the state’s second-largest public-sector union after the National Education Association, which represents teachers—fell to 28,745 in February from 62,818 in March 2011, according to a person who has viewed Afscme’s figures. A spokesman for Afscme declined to comment.
Much of that decline came from Afscme Council 24, which represents Wisconsin state workers, whose membership plunged by two-thirds to 7,100 from 22,300 last year [...]
Membership declines could be self-perpetuating, said Mr. Chaison of Clark University. With diminished dues, unions deliver fewer services, making membership less appealing and hampering recruiting.
Simply put, public employee unions were decimated by the assault on collective bargaining. They’re losing members at a rapid rate. That means they’re losing their funding base. And that means that their efforts will be that much less effective. That was the entire point.
This could be much of the reason why, in that Marquette poll out yesterday, when asked whether they supported restrictions on collective bargaining for public employee unions, one year after the anti-worker law, 55% of Wisconsin voters said yes, and 41% said no. There isn’t really anyone left to tell voters otherwise.
The state president of the American Federation of Teachers is quoted in the article saying that a failure in the recall spells doom for unions nationwide. There’s a lot of truth to that. And that’s why it was so important for the national funding to flow into Wisconsin to take a stand here. Clinton’s presence moves in that direction. But it may be too late.





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David, when the dems stopped supporting ACORN, the word should have been out to every union and organization exactly where the dems stand.
Per the poll, the people seem to feel there’s a difference between Public employee unions?
Favorable 40%
Unfavorable 45%
And Private employee unions?
Favorable 44%
Unfavorable 35%
Anyone up for helping crowdsource the 7,000-plus-page Scott Walker email cache?
Here’s one thing that was already found:
Walker’s trying to do a classic data dump, related to this case:
Defeating Walker 101:
Spread this story: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/31/1096118/-Scott-Walker-reveals-that-HE-is-John-Doe-OOOPS-
Do these actions:
#1 If you can’t donate to Barrett or do GOTV for him, try this: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/31/1096250/-ACTION-Help-crowdsource-huge-cache-of-Walker-emails-now-
#2: If you can donate or do GOTV:
a) Get the SaveWIDeerHunting ads on the air: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/30/1096044/-WI-Hunters-vs-Walker-Where-Your-Money-Goes
b) Donate to Barrett via ActBlue: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/debate-fund?refcode=DailyKosGS
c) Make some phone calls: http://www.barrettforwisconsin.com/media/blog/2012-05-make-five-calls-to-get-out-the-vote-for-tom-barrett
The people have clearly spoken. Hopefully this marks the end of the over inflated salaries and benefits of our public workers.
This makes perfect sense; as wages are dropping and benefits are being slashed to nothing for most people, everyone not in a public union looks on and becomes jealous and incensed.
The union members would be better served by focusing their efforts raising the wages and benefits of all people, not just themselves. With this narrow focus and feeling of entitlement union members have right now, unions are doomed. If you all can’t or won’t see that point, then increasingly you all are going to find that unions simply vanish. And really you’ll have no one to blame but yourselves.
That’s pretty much indicative of my feelings too. The reason, when I was looking for a new career in 2001-03 after 28 years of being a travel agent, I discovered that, whereas entry level public servants make modest incomes, if you hang around long enough, that being 10 years or more you are on easy street. And, if you can last 20-30 years, you can live on easy street and have a place on the beach too.
BUt, don’t get me wrong, Walker is a despicable bastard.
You’re a good person. Wish we had more like you.
Irrespective on how one feels about public employee unions, Walker is a typical republican shill and needs to be removed.
Will someone please explain why union membership dropped? How does dropping out of the unions benefit someone?
And Clinton? More like an un-helpful hand; the Dem leadership just doesn’t want to admit to his treason of Democrat principles.
“Simply put, public employee unions were decimated by the assault on collective bargaining. They’re losing members at a rapid rate. That means they’re losing their funding base. And that means that their efforts will be that much less effective. That was the entire point.”
Given that an imbecile (hey, even a Republican could figure it out) could predict this, the lack of Obama (and whatever else he is, Obama is very bright) donning comfortable shoes, the lack of an EFCA vote, the lack of any token effor to reform NAFTA, etc. tells us who the President and establishment Democrats support, and who they don’t.
They do not support working people – as a matter of fact, they act against our interests.
Why should I lift one finger or give one dime to the SOB’s?
Romney?
So?
I suspect that the loss comes as a result of union dues not being collected on behalf of the union and that they must be paid by the employee directly.
Plus, without collective bargaining, the usefulness of belonging to the union is greatly diminished. If the union agreements are like most public employees union agreements, then the union must represent all employees in the bargaining unit, irrespective of union membership, when the bargaining unit employee is subject to discipline or loss of wages. So, without the advantages gained by helping the union pay for bargaining wages, benefits and working conditions, there is no incentive to be a member.
Very accurate and well said. Public employee unions are paying the price for having largely ignored what was going on in the private sector. (“We got ours, why care about you?”)
There is also the problem of confounding extremes; while private sector wages, pension, and working conditions went down the tubes, many public sector employees got sweetheart deals with excessive or even lavish pensions. The icing on the cake was that many states did not adequately fund these pensions, and now face huge shortfalls. (IL, NJ, CA among the leaders.)
You either have unions for working people (public and private) or you don’t have unions. It’s all very simple.
Yep.
Got numbers to go with those findings?
Because studies such as the one referenced in this article show a different picture. As the author of the article says, and as it says in the item quoted by Phoenix Woman, coming up with valid statistics needs to consider types of jobs, proportion of different types of jobs, etc. For example, I think I once read that among the highest paid federal employees were doctors in VA hospitals. Well, sure.
Due to factors like outsourcing, union busting, and all the problems in the economy, we’re surely in a race to the bottom regarding wages and benefits in the private sector, so the story becomes not that private sector workers aren’t making a decent wage, but that public sector workers are making too much.
Overall, wages for the bottom 90% have been flat over the past 30 years. Arguing over who among them are making “too much” is a distraction to divide and conquer.
I don’t even think it’s within the cognitive framework of these people to even understand why most are thrilled to see public unions getting gutted, and why Walker is increasing his popularity by doing the gutting.
And if they can’t grasp that point, the union movement is pretty much defunct. Maybe after all these corrupt unions are swept away, a more civic and fair minded public will force a new type of union on to the oligarchs.
Obviously things are different in diferent states. I can only speak of Texas. I have numerous friends who hold or held public sector jobs. Local and state. IN some cases, I discovered what they made, others shared that with me. THey all made pretty good salaries after 10+ years and are those that stuck it out past that rerceived very nice salaries and benefits and are now retired,some after 25-27 years on the job. That retirement pays them 70-80% of their top salary and has allowed them to retire at ages 57-62.
And that is bad because? Why is ‘work’ -engaging in effort for others profit(which is what most do)- held in such esteem?
Take away the banks causing the chaos in Europe and they had a much more realistic way of looking at life.
Oh, I lived in Texas from 1990 to 1996 and can olny agree with Molly Ivin’s about it:
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/quotes/a/molly_ivins_2.htm
Thanks reddog and greybeard.
OK let’s say those numbers are representative, and in this case are higher than what you would find for comparable work and years in the private sector. The the question is still do public employees make too much or do private employees make too little.
With worker wages remaining flat for decades, while other markers such as CEO pay and corporate profits soar, and our country’s wealth disparity is among the worst in the world, my answer would be the latter.
Some charts
When you hear about someone having a really great ground game .it’s DNC code for saying yoyo because we don’t see how we benefit by any perceived coziness in our self-serving future . .
I find the excoriation of the public unions to be a bit misguided in this thread. A lot of rightwing boilerplate about “easy street” after retiring after 25 years. Nice mythology that. I expect better from this site.
I think people who wish to see public unions gutted are horrible humans who enjoy human suffering.
Absolutely. People are just “stunned” that Democrats haven’t created a countervailing narrative to the Republicans’ “kill regulations/kill big govt.; set the free market free!” They haven’t created one because they believe in their very hearts in that very same narrative.
“Unions are icky, poor blacks and Hispanics are icky, people without advanced degrees are icky…..”
Unfortunately, it’s not all mythology. I’m in a great position to know, because my mother retired from city goverment in the late 1980′s after 25 years. She had a modest pension, plus SS from her pre-public employment years. But it is nothing like the retirements they give out today. Here are some excerpts from what Contra Costa Times columnist Daniel Borenstein found in his investigation of state and local pensions in CA:
http://city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html
Yeah, I’ve had that article thrown at me by several of my conservative colleagues. It’s full of begging the question and plays games with the numbers. No one’s doubting that a lot of states have pension-funding problems and are clearly going to simply tell their public employees to bugger off, your pension’s going to be shrunk to the size of a rat-turd. But since you supplied a link to one state’s issues, I thought I’d let public employees’ union speak for itself. http://www.seiu.org/a/publicservices/fact-check-on-public-sector-pensions.php
And marym wins this thread! Do not let the “divide workers” strategy conquer.
I wonder what the boogeyman of the .001ers will be when all unions are eradicated from the country? (aside from minorities, I mean).
Thank you for saying what needs to be said. All this white, middle-aged, bourgeois disdain for workers is the primary reason I don’t come to FDL very often anymore. Usually, what I find here is the so-called “progressive” agenda, slightly left-of center with labor consistently missing. Thanks again.
Capital is organized with airtight and impenetrable solidarity, while workers are pointing the finger at each other.
Why shouldn’t working people have good benefits and retirements? Why should fear and insecurity be the aim?
I’m at or near the bottom. My retirement plan is a bottle of vodka and a shotgun. We need to talk about raising workers up instead of tearing them down.