Paul Krugman’s book End this Depression Now is predicated partly on a simple argument that government must act in an economic downturn as the spender of last resort. Along the way he has to explain that this is currently not happening, that per capita government expenditures have trended down over the last two years, and that this can explain the weak recovery. In fact, by one set of statistics, “we haven’t seen spending cuts like this since the demobilization that followed the Korean War,” Krugman writes.
This is in fact the kind of recovery Republicans claim to want:
What should be done about the economy? Republicans claim to have the answer: slash spending and cut taxes. What they hope voters won’t notice is that that’s precisely the policy we’ve been following the past couple of years. Never mind the Democrat in the White House; for all practical purposes, this is already the economic policy of Republican dreams.
So the Republican electoral strategy is, in effect, a gigantic con game: it depends on convincing voters that the bad economy is the result of big-spending policies that President Obama hasn’t followed (in large part because the G.O.P. wouldn’t let him), and that our woes can be cured by pursuing more of the same policies that have already failed.
The numbers do not lie on this. It’s very clear that government expenditures began falling in 2010 and have not abated. We have had a growing investment gap since that time.
Krugman helps let Obama off the hook here, saying that the problem was how the GOP wouldn’t let him spend more. But he does point out that the spending boost from stimulus ran out by early 2010, at which point Democrats still held Congress. And as we’ve seen, the Obama Administration is heavily invested in letting everyone know that spending has decreased on their watch. Republican obstructionism adds to the tale, but this was a President talking about a pivot by the end of 2009, talking about shared sacrifice and “skin in the game” for everyone since before the inauguration. If the President wasn’t a willing participant in the shift to austerity, he certainly wasn’t a major oppositional force. And now he’s bragging about it.
There’s no question that Republicans will double down on the policies that stunted the recovery. There doesn’t seem to be much of a question that the current Democratic leadership will follow, and not be dragged kicking and screaming, into the same reality. And yet austerity has been a total failure all over the world.
The way to break the cycle, as Will Hutton writes, a change of course rooted in Keynesian economics must commence. And “although such proposals will be fiercely opposed by the British, German and American right they need to be beaten back. After all, it is their ideas that have brought us to this pass.” But this is the entire problem. Those ideas aren’t being challenged. We have a Democratic Party in the United States unwilling to engage in a battle of ideas. It’s been that way for 30 years. That’s why we’re where we are.
Larry Summers has found a way to restate stimulus in the language of market economics (that we should pull investment forward in an environment of low interest rates, just like any corporation would do), and perhaps that offers the best opportunity for a breakthrough. But it still attempts to fight these wrongheaded ideas about expansionary contraction through the back door. Nobody is challenging them head-on, regardless of what the facts show.





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We need to stop calling OBAMA a Democrat.
FDR, JFK, were Democrats!
Obama and the other phony Dems in DC got the economy they wanted. Obama thinks that Reagan, Bush Jr, were economic GURUs.
The only good thing OBAMA has done, is woke up real progressives and liberals.
Keep in mind the recall in Wisconsin would not have happen 10 years ago.
Yes! Obama saved the GOP, he also brought progressives and liberals back to the game.
Obama generates enormous hate on the Right and Left.
Progressives and Liberals did not know the power they had over OBAMA, they will soon realize how they can control OBAMA and other Dems.
At the end of day Obama can act, talk, walk, like Reagan all he wants but the only people that may vote for him will be Progressives and Liberals. “Thus his big problem”
History will not be kind to the OBAMA White House! Obama and his staff of idiots really thought that a black guy, could get conservative votes. Obama thought he could be Clinton, and disregard the Left and it would not come back to bite him big time.
What will Obama say if the following happens
Dems win the Senate
Dems win the House
and Dems lose the White House?
this just may happen.
Welcome to the Obama effect! the elites can’t be happy.
Obama kept the GOP alive and he also woke up Progressives and Liberals.
Paul Krugman knew he was right, every real progressive and liberal knew Obama economic policies would failed, and they have.
November 2012 is going to feel like November 2008 when it comes to the Economy.
Feet of clay
My usta be hero on Sunday talking heads-
KRUGMAN:. The bitter irony here has to be for Obama, certainly for people like me, is that if the Republican answer is “let’s slash spending, let’s have low taxes,” that’s actually the policy we’ve been following. Yeah, this is real government spending, so it’s federal, state and local combined, deflated, you know, adjusted for population growth and inflation, and it is plunging. It’s plunging mostly because of cutbacks at the state and local level,
Then of course he goes on to blame the Republicans which is his job as the Democrat’s premiere celebrity apparatchik*
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06…
But reality intrudes:
Under Obama, a Record Decline in Government Jobs
New York Times
January 6, 2012:
When Barack Obama ran for president four years ago, he appalled some Democrats by saying Ronald Reagan had been a transformational president.
Three years into his presidency, he has exceeded Reagan in one area: reductions in government jobs.
Particularly devastating has been President Obama’s unwillingness to recognize the importance of public employment in sustaining the economic recovery, in providing a lifeline to a fast-sinking African-American population, and in providing a crucial bulwark against Corporate America’s efforts to drive down wages for all workers.
The failure of Obama and other top Democrats to defend public spending and the public sector—along with their incessant repetition of other key pieces of conservative economic dogma—has allowed Republicans to divert America’s attention away from its most pressing problem: the prolonged, agonizing jobs crisis.
*Krugman (inadvertently) on Krugman.
May 17, 2011, 9:42 AM
Apparatchiks:
“…they’re supposed to serve the movement, not point out inconvenient facts.” http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/17/apparatchiks-2/
Any issue framed in the usual GOP vs. Dem crap can be automatically dismissed as total nonsense.
Why Krugman is full of shit, in one simple chart:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/bernanke/GTL%202.jpg
The chart is part of a larger piece that lays out why the world’s economy is faltering:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-debt-saturation-and-money-illusion
Europe’s economy is exhibit ‘a’ for just how wrongheaded this push for further austerity is. End of story.
For me, the biggest disappointment is how the GOP has successfully controlled all discussion on the major topics of the day. We constantly find ourselves playing on their side of the field on everything.
With an economy teetering on the brink of contracting again, no talk of additional stimulus.
With health care still out of reach for so many, no talk of insertion of a govt. option into the existing health care law.
Et cetera, et cetera.
Agreed. Why anyone here would quote krugman beats me. summers is scum. sure let’s all quote the views of the morally bankrupt summers a man who helped derail the regulation that in turn got us here in the first place.
The truth is trillions have been spent bailing out crooked bankers and not investing in real tangible assets. So now we have loads of debt and no collateral/assets except the tax payer, to show for it. Yep and soon we will borrow even more to repeat the same old same old.
Bernanke and O’Bummer fronted for an experiment in Greater Depression Economics. Krudman got the job of gate-keeper contrarian.
Can neoliberals stand having Keynsesianism rescue them from a 30 year fraud?
Too much pride, too much ideology, too much power, too many lies, and they don’t believe in capitalism anyway.
If Krugman is full of shit, I would hate to think what Obama is full of?
Kafka, Paul Krugman has been right from day 1!
Let us take a trip down memory lane
Bush started two wars? Yes
War cost a lot of money?Yes
Bush cut Taxes? Yes
Cutting Taxes decrease Govt. Revenue? Yes
Bush cut taxes “Revenue” started wars “Increase Expenses” and the GOP along with their good buddy OBAMA wants to scream about Deficits?
Yes!Obama kept Bush wars going, and Obama kept the Bush Tax Cuts!
It does not take a smart Economist like Paul Krugman to figure out, that Tax Cuts and Starting Wars = LARGE DEFICITS
Name the only president in the History of man kind to cut taxes and start two wars? BUSH JR
Name the only president in the History of man kind to keep taxes low, and continue two wars? OBAMA
OBAMA is making FDR look like a SUPER HERO daily!
It would seem that all of what we have been going through is a feature, not a bug. Shock doctrine writ large all over the world economy.
I was at a concert last night where the women’s chorus sang a song called “Rosa Sat”. The words included “Rosa sat so Martin could walk. Martin walked so that Barak could run. Barak ran so that we all could fly. . . ”
All I could think was “how dare he?!” how dare this president promise so much to so many (and so many who continue to make excuses for him) with I intention of filling them, a con artist of the first order crushing the hopes and lives of so many.
How dare he!
Read Rob Urie’s “Getting Dazed and Confused with Paul Krugman” at Counterpunch:
Ludwig’s right. “Krudman got the job of gatekeeper contrarian” Why anyone still gives credence to Krugman is beyond me
A “Republican economy” with a Democrat “unwillingness to challenge it”? Really?
“Krugman helps let Obama off the hook here, saying that the problem was how the GOP wouldn’t let him spend more. But he does point out that the spending boost from stimulus ran out by early 2010, at which point Democrats still held Congress. And as we’ve seen, the Obama Administration is heavily invested in letting everyone know that spending has decreased on their watch.”
“That’s why ‘helicopters’ were not ‘deployed.’”
If, “We have a Democratic Party in the United States unwilling to engage in a battle of ideas. It’s been that way for 30 years,” then why is it a reasonable conclusion to imagine that there is a practical difference between the two parties?
There is no reason to let Obama and his team off the hook. None at all.
For instance:
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/100961/memo-Larry-Summers-Obama
is that private debt?
Or interest earning fiat money, which is not debt?
Here’s the nonsense statement in the article you quote:
Money is created by the Government is a fiat system. The Federal reserve can only create money for Banks, who loan the money. it requires the Government is spend money on jobs, one example is Wars (a poor investment, nothing is built for future use), another is infrastructure (Much is built for future use).
One also need to distinguish between money invested on production, and money chasing inflated assets, a ponzi scheme. The housing bubble was a ponzi scheme.
Failure is the route to success?
uh huh.
Well, if trending down from a 40 year high of 7% over 2 years explains the weak recovery, what explains the recession?
Maybe it would be the continuous increase government spending per capita for each of the previous 10 years in a row.
It doesn’t make sense to dismiss Krugman for defending Obama. He wants what’s best for this country, and any fool knows that Obama is a better choice than the idiot Romney. If things are bad under Obama’s leadership, think what it would be like if the House of Representatives were driving the train. We’d never recover as a nation. Ever.
If you thought Krugman was wrong in his prescription for the economy, then it would make sense to treat his semi-defense of Obama as grounds for rejecting his ideas. But no one things that letting the repubs run things will make anything better ever. Krugman is the only public voice we have talking sense on the economy.
“Obama and the other phony Dems in DC got the economy they wanted.”
Indeed. Are there no true Scotsmen among them? :)
That may be the single most stupid comment I have ever seen on this site.
Because the alternative is inconceivable for compradors.
I agree!
Yes, it does make sense because the defense simply isn’t true. It wasn’t the Republicans who charged full speed ahead with the Catfood Commission. It is a complete fabrication to claim that Obama is some passive bystander on the deficit when he’s the one who lead Democrats to call for spending cuts. Saying that Obama is a lesser evil is not the argument that Krugman is making, if it was then at least he could be taken seriously because he wouldn’t be making a transparently false argument.
“Under Obama, a Record Decline in Government Jobs”
Ah yes. One of the main features of the good cop-bad cop, false dichotomy con of the two party system. Democrats talk like “Democrats” while acting like Republicans. Republicans paint Democrats as Socialist, big government spenders based on their rhetoric instead of their actions and thereby more efficiently advance the interests of corporations and the 1%. I’ll be voting for Democrats again this year because they have convinced me that they open their eggs on the correct end.
WOW! agreed. Gee we are in trouble when people who long posters and readers here still think that.
Yada yada yada.
And he’s not talking sense. QED.
You can’t see the game?
Also part of the problem with the Krugman defense is that you can’t argue that things would be worse with Republicans driving the train because that defense relies upon Republicans driving the train right now – otherwise you’re simply wanting it both ways. If afterall Republicans aren’t driving the train and Obama is, then Obama rightly deserves the blame based upon the argument itself.
In other words, Obama can fuck up the economy for the proles because the only alternative allowed is even more fucking.
“Krugman helps let Obama off the hook here,”…
Krugman is a just another fraud… an Obama apologist… a tool and a shill for corrupt politicians…
That would be the corrupt Democratic side of our totally corrupt Democratic and Republican government.
We simply cannot continue to elect corrupt Democrats and Republicans… doing that is what has given us the totally corrupt government we have now.
If the preznint of the United States, and the leader of the democratic party, doesn’t want it challenged, it aint gonna be challenged.
For over three years, the progressives who put him on track for the White House have been trying to his job for him.
More and more of us are sick of his cutting off our legs while we’re doing it. (The DNC’s dogging it on the Walker recall comes instantly to mind…)
If we fall in line for another four years of this, then we deserve anything that happens to us.
Of the GOP’s beating up on poor, brave, Obama: how did they “block” him, when he had those big margins in both houses?
It’s a rhetorical question: all they had to do was whisper “filibuster” and he shat himself. If that’s stopping him, then for God’s sake, let’s help him out of the White House.
100%
Anyone voting for Corrupt Democrats or Corrupt Republicans in the coming election… has no one but themselves to blame.
They [anyone voting for D's or R's] are now the problem… they have knowingly and willingly participated in electing a bunch of crooks.
I agree with that. If we want to help people get their lives back we must support this. Krugman is one of the very few who have a prescrtion to fix this thing. Summers is flat out wrong on his economics, but if it breaks the log jam then go for it. Not time to weigh the theoretical merits.
the question is will progressives tolerate another four years of OBAMA? probably not.
Obama is going to be the downfall of the current corrupt DNC.
Obama and his staff are very confuse at the present time, they actually thought the USA wanted Black Hoover? WOW
Obama game plan was simple, attack progressives and liberals like Clinton, and he would get some conservatives to vote for him. “the Clinton plan did not work for OBAMA”
Obama has instead become the most polarizing figure in the history of USA politics.
Obama and his team of dummies never will understand race politics.
the only people that will ever vote for OBAMA are liberals and progressives. period!
this fall we may see
Dems win the house and senate and lose the white house
how it is very simple, OBAMA will get a large part of the black and latino vote, however, liberals and progressives may not vote for him, and without the progressives Obama loses, however all the other dems on the ticket win.
We tried Empire Keynesianism, Military Keynesianism, Privatized Keynesianism.
The shit don’t work.
And Tyler Durden is full of crap.
Uh huh.
Is it time to weigh the lies yet?
I’m a life long liberal/progressive…
I WILL NOT be voting for Obama The Fake.
Let me write this in small words. Romney won’t make things better.
You are free to offer some realistic solution better than Krugman’s. Please write a diary explaining a better solution, and some plausible and doable road that will take the voters of this nation there.
Until you do, your words are gentle winds fluttering the willow tree.
Another brainwashing victim [lessor of two evils].
If you vote for – REWARD a corrupt politician… then YOU are to blame… you are doing exactly what the corruptors of our government want you to do.
What a fool
Qui tacet consentit, so Obama is responsible even if he’s just been passive, which with his Catfood Commission and calls for “shared sacrifice” austerity along with putting the social safety net on the table make him one of the perps not one of the victims. Supporting Obama only advances austerity and attacks on the social safety net and this isn’t even going into what support for Obama means for non-economic issues.
“Let me write this in small words. Romney won’t make things better.”
Not that I’d vote for Romney, but when there’s a Republican in the White House Democrats at least pretend to care about certain things instead of making excuses for them. Obama was supposed to restore the Constitution, not double down on Bush policies; Obama’s signature policy is from the Heritage Foundation; etc. Things seems worse under Obama since at least when Bush was in office the Democrats fought what the President did, but now with Obama in the WH, the Democrats cheer loudly for the same things and worse when Obama does it instead of Bush.
it is going to be interesting to see if Dem candidates running for office reach out to Obama or stay clear of OBAMA.
Obama is becoming very Toxic
keep in mind, there is no loyalty among thieves, and the current dems in DC are mostly crooked
Thank you for that amusing, cultivated insult. My words will continue to flutter your weeping willow tree, nonetheless.
Let me put this in two words for you. Wealth redistribution.
Are you a gatekeeper too? All that “pragmatic” crap got us here. You can’t blame it all on Thuglicans. Pragmatism is a failure.
To answer your question directly: NO
“Let me write this in small words. Romney won’t make things better.”…
And neither will Obama!
Which is why a growing number of Americans [non-brainwashed people who can think for themselves]… wont be voting for either of the corrupt Democratic or Republican fake candidates. We will be voting… but NOT for those sleazy, corrupt, frauds.
Wealth redistribution: Ok. Now how do we do that? The only way I know is through taxes. What are the chances of that happening in any major way in the next, say ten years?
yes I do blame this on the thugs in the first instance. It was the housing bubble that blew up under Bush. That blow up was a very serious matter and could easily have led to unemployment very much higher than we saw. But I would agree Obama has not done near enough to fix it, so I certainly understand the anger towards him.
So true. I’ve got no issue with 3rd party candidates, and if that’s anyone’s flavor, have at it.
The reality is that either Obama or Romney will be elected in November. No amount of snark or vitriol directed at Obama is gonna change that.
Given this, I don’t see how hoping Romney winning helps anything. And please spare me the tired, dog eared cracks about slavishly following Obama. Nothing could be further from my truth.
It never is.
I keep hoping O will fall off his donkey on the road to Damascus or something.
“I’ve got no issue with 3rd party candidates, and if that’s anyone’s flavor, have at it.”
Thats EXACTLY what I am going to do. I stand up for what I believe in.
The battle to take back the country from the Corrupt Democrats and Corrupt Republicans will not be easy… they are corrupt and the 1% and their shills/dupes intend to keep it corrupt.
The change that is coming wont happen overnight… the battle is on. America and it’s future is at stake.
We simply cannot continue to elect crooks to run our government. If you vote for a crook… you have no one but yourself to blame. I REFUSE to participate in electing crooks to run our country.
It is truly sociopathic behavior.
“But if that is truly the case, let them pay the debt. That would be the real test of this ‘we.’ I write this because what has been missing in recent years is any sense that the ruling elite, the plutocrats, see their lot as in any way tied to ours.”
Ding!
Obama will be known as the guy who… DESTROYED HOPE.
Hope is one of the most important qualities a person can possess… and Obama The Fake USED it to commit fraud on the American people.
I second the question…
HOW DARE HE!
I agree with your premise, and I was all for supporting 3rd party candidates around here when it was most unpopular a few years ago.
Chances? Bullcrap. Are you a gatekeeper too?
The bubble blew up under Bush so it’s the Thuglicans who done it? You are confused, comrade.
My loyalty… is to the American people, our country and it’s future…
NOT… a bunch of crooked, sleazy politicians.
Anyone who votes for these crooked Democrats and Republicans has actively and knowingly participated in corruption… and REWARDING corruption… and they have sold out their country to a bunch of crooks.
“by early 2010, at which point Democrats still held Congress”
I dispute that. At every turn the Blue Dogs undercut any legislation that might be Progressive and those that remain after the 2010 elections continue to pull the same crap and weaken any initiative that might be helpful to Progressive goals. While the “50 State Strategy” put committee chairmanships in the hands of Democrats, it certainly didn’t increase the number of Democrats with more than a modicum of Liberal philosophy, primarily because in many districts Progressives are simply not electable so it’s Blue Dogs or Republicans, and the Republican party has skewed so far to the right that moderates have become Blue Dogs. That is the problem, and it means that Progressives are pretty much screwed because they will be a minority for the foreseeable future. Many on this list actually want things to get worse, believing that this will encourage the electorate to move back to the left. I’ve vehemently disagreed, primarily because history shows that as rich and powerful societies decline they often move towards totalitarian, right-wing stong-men in an effort to regain their former glory.
so, you are going to argue that Romney’s Supreme Court appointments are going to be no worse that Obama’s? Keep in mind that Supreme Court decisions set the course for generations while laws made by Congress are easily modified. Since Reagan was elected the U.S. has been moving to the right, and that accelerated after 9/11. What this means is that you are being marginalized by an increasingly right-wing electorate with a decidedly militaristic view of its place in the world (and the public majority’s approval of drone assassinations, indefinite detention, Guantanamo, and the waterboarding of terrorist suspects proves that assertion). If that doesn’t ring a familiar bell, it should.
Sometimes things have to be demolished and rebuilt.
Some believe the Republicans would advance this path to recovery.
I do know this path is fraught with uncertainty, and probably much death. We cannot know what system of government lies on the other side, it may be a system that is worse than the one we enjoy today.
Amen. Reviewing the Decline & Fall of the Roman Empire is instructive.
Gibbon’s book is not light reading. Not a light book either.
Excellent and concise.
“I dispute that. At every turn the Blue Dogs undercut any legislation that might be Progressive and those that remain after the 2010 elections continue to pull the same crap and weaken any initiative that might be helpful to Progressive goals.”
Last time I checked Blue Dog Democrats were indeed Democrats. They just serve as very convenient excuses to try and act like it’s not the Democrats doing things when it is indeed the Democrats doing things. You’re arguing that BDs are better than Republicans, but that undermines your premise that Democrats held Congress.
“and the public majority’s approval of drone assassinations, indefinite detention, Guantanamo, and the waterboarding of terrorist suspects proves that assertion”
Yes, thanks to the Democrats. You’re reminding me exactly why I don’t like the Democrats.
Clinton was neither progressive nor liberal. He was a corporate neo-liberal tool. NAFTA and deregulation of the financial industry, precursors to our current economic disaster, both instituted during his presidency. He was instrumental in creating the pain we’re enduring today.
Obama appointed Elen Kagan… to the business friendly supreme court…
You know… THIS Elen Kagan…
From 2005 to 2008 Kagan served on Goldman Sachs Global Market Institute’s Research Advisory Council…
So YES… I’m saying that BOTH Obama and Romney are both corrupt, self serving scoundrel politicians… and all this supreme court stuff is just Obmabot crap. Both parties are fully aware of who controls the supreme court and they both intend for that to CONTINUE.
And…she worked for Monsanto (can’t wait to see how she votes IF any lawsuits re: Monsanto ever get to SCOTUS (prolly not), AND she voted with Roberts and Scalia to erode Miranda. AND he nominated her, and she accepted the nomination knowing ahead of time that she would have to recuse herself from half the cases on the docket. A real peach, that one.
Reread my comment. I am asserting that Blue Dogs are what used to be the moderate Republicans and that there are now no moderate Republicans. The Democrats welcomed the “new” Democrats (as part of the “50 state strategy) and the result of that was the neutering of the Liberal wing of the party–which still exists, but because of the
Blue Dogs lacks the power to significantly influence most legislation. Meanwhile, the American electorate has moved significantly to the RIGHT and now disdains the progressives. Watch the recall in Wisconsin–that is an illustration of my point.
So Kagen equals Alito??
So Kagen equals Scalia and Roberts?? You can’t be seriously making that assertion.