The turnout numbers in Wisconsin have been percolating all day, and this has continued as we near the close of the polls. Turnout all over the state is coming in extremely high, as voters register either their support or discontent with Scott Walker. There’s talk of turnout exceeding 100% in Dane County, home to Madison. That is possible, because of same day registration. So with an influx of new voters, you could end up with more votes than the number of registered voters from the beginning of the day. Milwaukee turnout is also reported high, approaching 2008 Presidential levels. GOP strongholds are being a bit more tight-lipped about their numbers, but they also expect high turnout.
Some early exit polls have somewhat better news for Republicans, but also for Democrats. The makeup of voters looks similar to 2010 on ideology. However, self-identified Democrats are running above self-identified Republicans by 35-33. This split was more like 39-33 in 2008, but this is an improvement from the 2010 makeup. One good sign is that 1/3 of all voters come from union households. That’s higher than the last two Presidential elections.
Daily Kos Elections has a good guide to the benchmarks that Barrett would need to hit to get on a winning pace. However, if turnout just blows the doors off in Dane County and Milwaukee, he may not necessarily need to be at this level everywhere.
President Obama holds a six-point lead over Mitt Romney among early exit poll voters, but that’s in line with some of the public polling that showed Walker in front.
I’ll be watching and adding comments throughout the night.
…AFSCME has sent voter registration forms and ballot to select wards in Milwaukee so people can go out and vote. There have been scattered reports of people walking away from the polls because they have to wait for forms.
This bodes well (provided AFSCME gets the forms out before people leave), as turnout in Milwaukee is seen as key to victory. But elevated turnout in red areas would make it that much harder for a blowout turnout number in Milwaukee to make a difference.
…Brad Friedman has a primer on how to protect your vote in Wisconsin.
…NBC projects the gubernatorial race “too close to call” as the polls close. The exit polls, reportedly, show it 50-50. Wow.
…We now have some early numbers trickling in. I thought that the numbers would turn to Barrett late, because of the voters streaming in over in Milwaukee. That’s holding up. Walker leads 61-39 right now with 14% of the vote in.
Walker: 161,284, 61%
Barrett: 103,126, 39%
Trivedi: 1,479, 1%
Hari Trivedi is a third-party candidate who qualified for the recall, and a receptacle for disgust with both sides from a sliver of voters.
…for those numbers, 16% of Dane County is in, but just 5% of Milwaukee, the largest county in the state. So these are subject to change. Follow along here.
…And NBC projects Walker has won the recall, with 21% of the vote in. There was a brief flurry of hope on the exits when the polls closed, but it looks like they were recalibrated as the night went on. That was an earlier night than I expected.




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David –
What about the tweets that have been coming out about polling places running out of registration forms and delays causing people in long lines in heavily Dem areas like Madison to leave without registering/voting?
*heh* I just had to retweet this gem…
Dr. Isis @drisis
Despite raising $30 million, Scott Walker’s event tonight is cash bar. That might actually justify a recall #wirecall
Last call for Scott Walker? I hope so.
Our polls just closed too, hoping for a great progressive win in NM CD1.
Let him keep the Governorship, then face a messy legal fight, which torpedoes the Repugs & Teabaggers in November.
Too close to call, eh? We’ll see…
This one’s a nailbiter! Setting expectations for the worst, hoping for the best – for my part here.
As I mentioned before the ratio of monies spent right now, something like 10:1 Walker:Barret is quite spectacular considering how close the previous polling has been.
We’ll find out soon!
It’s probably more important for the 3 R state senators to be recalled. If the Dems control the Senate, Walker can do a lot less harm. IMO
Yep. It all depends on when Scottie sends Kathy Nickolaus in for the jump shot.
Can someone please confirm that the Dems just need to pick up one seat in the WI Senate, for control …
Tweets are saying Exit polls are 50% to 50%.
Rachel just said the presidential race in WI went
54 Obama
42 Mitt Romney
(base on people voting today in WI)
this may be the key to everything
I don’t think WI has many independent voters, Scott Walker sort of got rid of those who like to play in the middle
Wow, that may be the way the Pres. helps Bar….very interesting. Thanks
Yes, just one. It’s 16 to 16 presently so one Dem would change the leadership. And it’s 4 Rs up for recall. I thought it was three.
…NBC projects the gubernatorial race “too close to call” as the polls close. The exit polls, reportedly, show it 50-50. Wow.
Ditto that with CNN and CBS…! ;-)
Twain !
Thanks for that.
Confirmed from a wingnut source.
Democrats need to win just one of the four Senate recall elections taking place in the state to regain control of the Senate. It’s believed they have a better than even chance in one race and a 50-50 chance in another.
I just hope they don’t cheat like they did with the state supreme court election when an election official was caught with the votes held on her personal computer.
Hey, Petro. Hope you’re having a nice summer.
Three are up for recall. the fourth is a regular election because the state senator who was up for recall resigned.
Thanks Boo !
How are you doing ?
Tweets saying Drudge calls election for Walker 57 to 43. Yeah. Only if Nicklaus is Sec of State.
We had 2 great weeks, followed by 1 chilly week … will be back to BBQ season this weekend though ! *g*
Huffpo is showing the same, with 4% of votes counted.
GOP and DEMS in DC are terrified!
It funny watching the MSM, especially MSNBC as they try to tie OBAMA to WISCONSIN, like OBAMA came and march around WISCONSIN.
this has a lot to do with OWS!
the 1% vs 99% terrifies the Rich!!!
it funny how Karl Rove thinks he is the only one that can suppress votes,
when one looks at a GOP rally, one does not see a bunch of brain surgeons, what is good for the GOP may be come one of the weapons of the Left
the Rich know that left has the most intelligent people in the USA, and if the Intelligent left decide to attack the Zombies of the GOP they are in big trouble.
Just read on the Uppitywisconsin site live blog http://www.uppitywis.org/</strong>:
USUncut: RT @kweidleman Republicans at Walker HQ cheering after only the first 1% tallied. They tend to like that number. #WIrecall #WIunion [via Twitter]
Tuesday June 5, 2012 8:26
Retired, resigned, I think there was a serious medical problem with immediate family.
I remember that now that you reminded me. Thanks.
Second thanks to everyone for your concern and attention. Life-long WI resident here.
Thanks for your fight….Good luck.
I think everyone became Cheeseheads when this started. Wishing you the best.
This Iowan is rootin for you good guys, nonquixote.
I hereby invoke the spirit of “Fighting Bob La Follette”, one of my personal progressive heroes on your behalf.
Go Badgers
nonq, I am a UW grad, have lots of MadTown pals, from Mifflin days. So yeah, we are on pins and needles tonight. Plus also across the country, our types of folks, “get it.” We want what you want. We want it bad.
Also, nonq and everyone who has been fighting this on the ground in winter and summer, THANK YOU so very much.
Seconded. This one matters. A lot.
Third !
Indeed.
Didn’t graduate college myself. The Waukesha county college I attended was not too fond of anti-war protestors in 1970. Scholarships kind of disappeared.
I saw John Nichols and the Wisconsin Band at the kickoff of the recall Rick in MI recently. I hope Walker gets his pink slip tonight.
Anybody have a link to official numbers with reported precinct tallies?
Yeppers, she was being recalled and did not want her name on the ballot, oh, and, uh, I think someone is ill.
*aargh* She’s baaack…! Nickolaus’ recall role in question…
…While Waukesha County Executive Dan Vrakas and his chief of staff insisted Tuesday that County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus was not the one in charge of election duties for the recall election, she appeared to be at the helm.
Nickolaus refused to respond to questions in her office, turning her back and closing her office door while a reporter waited at a service counter. Her deputy, Kelly Yaeger, didn’t respond, either…
DDay’s got an update up top…
MSNBC just called it for Walker…! *gah*
Over.
I don’t understand why that woman is not in prison.
makes my stomach hurt.
@thebradblog is tweeting links to results as they come in and asking peeps to take screenshots.
If MSNBC had been around back when they would’ve called it for Dewey, too…
That was fast!
already?
Thank you.
I think there were actual family concerns. Don’t believe everything th medai says. My neighbors are staunch R’s and we interact and watch out for each other everyday.
DDay up top…
NBC home of David Gregory and Chuck Todd are predicting a Walker win. GE must be thrilled.
Things are looking good for us normally I would not expect such numbers unless it were Chicago Daley was mayor and an Irish Catholic was running for the WH. I wonder how long before the GOP screams voter fraud any video of people waiting in line to vote and and what are the waiting times to vote like an hour, 2 hours?
And…
The Democrats fuck up another opportunity.
Huff called it for Walker:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/wisconsin-recall-results
Do they care about their “neighbors” across town?
*waves to nonquixote*
Didn’t you say once that the scholarships dried up midway through your 4 years?
How could Wisconsin Democrats tee up a recall like this without being sure they had it in the bag? This is a miserable failure that will demoralize Democrats from coast to coast.
No wonder Obama stayed away. I thought this was a lot more a sure thing than it turned out to be.
And Walker’s stock in the Veepstakes just went way up.
Wow. This hurts and I don’t live in Wisconsin.
nonquixote – I’m sorry you have to continue to live with this fuck.
Anyone have any numbers on the senate recall races?
No shit. I am perplexed and disheartened.
AARRGGHH. This gives Walker an opportunity to claim a mandate to govern as he has been. I was hoping he’d be tossed by a wide margin.
If Debbie and the DNC had done what they should have the story might be different. but they have no guts.
What do you care? You claim they’re all sell outs. If you were consistent, you would be glad if Barret is really losing.
So which way is the wind blowing in your brain today? Walker win bad, because you prefer the Dem to win, or Walker win good because all democrats are sellouts?
If she follows true to form we hear nothing from her until after the election when almost all the vote totals arein then her magic lap top will push Walker over the edge. Assuming she risks the Justice Dept who are in the state going over everything she has.
I would not be surprised if the JD has undercover watchers monitoring things it seems strange the JD would be in Milwaukee when her county was the source of vote fraud allegations. I smell a trap:)
I just finished watching Chris Hayes’s Sunday show, and he pointed out that both Obama and Romney stayed far away. Wanted to distance themselves from all of the heat, apparently.
Plus, I am reminded of November 2000, with a network calling it prior to actual results.
I’ll patiently wait for actual poll results.
Huffpost and NBC have a reason to lie lets not panic.
TBogg says the Walker victory is good news for Obamicans!
What NBC just said is this?
Obama beats Romney 54 to 42
and Walker wins?
The People of WI voted for Obama and Walker?
something is not making any since here at all
the USA govt. must see things coming un-done big time
I expect the Dems will win some senate seats to sit up divided govt in WI
I see the work of dark forces at play here
This is the state that took all night to nominate a state supreme ct justice? WOW what a nation
I did not think that Wisconsinites would be as dumb as Floridians. To vote for a candidate that you know is a criminal. Wow.
Obama’s poison is quite potent, still working after two years. Who’s going to vote Democratic when they plan to sell out SS?
Turnout close to 2008.
http://dailykos.com/
Mighty strange indeed
I am truly surprised that only 46% of Americans believe in creationism.
There is a price to be paid for stupidity. It’s a wonder the middle class in this country hasn’t eroded much further than it has, but it will.
Nonqui, you really fought the good fight. Thank you and Norske and everyone. Still hoping….
The rural areas are very conservative and the metro areas more progressive. And there ain’t no way in hell the rural areas are going to be progressive. Not in my life time. And with the metro areas losing people……
Heck, I’m reminded of the Kloppenburg-Prosser race for the WI Supreme Court just last year… Kloppenburg won on election night, but Prosser got the victory after Nicklaus worked her magic in Waukesha. I imagine, she’ll turn her counts in last again. Honestly, they should force her to go first, then let everyone else report and let the chips fall where they may…
If Walker’s “win” holds up his agenda is set to go nationwide. He’s automatically on Mitt’s shortlist for VP. The American people with it’s “democracy” fetish (Citizens United and an infrastructure of propaganda and indoctrination that hasn’t been seen since the fall of the Soviet Union) is deserving of everything that is coming their way.
If you chase the CSPAN link in the WI section you see the state senate races.
In two of those races the Dems were polling ahead or even with their Repug counterparts. However, in the reported precincts so far, they are losing by larger margins than Barrett.
This would indicate that we only have Republican heavy areas reporting at this point.
This might not be over folks.
Psst, see Ashland, Bayfield, and Douglas counties… just sayin’.
Americans prefer superstition to science. It’s hardly surprising that the U.S. is devolving into a 3rd World nation.
Given Mitt’s current polling against Obama a VP who just won a state would be a big help that means Mitt doubles down on Tea Party ideas in the Presidential Election.
Nixon had a VP once who ended up going to jail too.
Pro-Obama electorate keeps Walker. WTF?
I’m horrified. There are no words.
A candidate with the jail hanging over their head is a badge of honor for any Republican. Republicans just don’t care.
well the turkeys sure love to vote for christmas and scrooge walker promises to deliver
not sure I get that either. polls show O winning over R but walker winning now
Your right this isn’t over unless the GOP is using vote fraud again in which case this will be a long night. How long does the Justice Dept wait before they announce an investigation?
http://www.bradblog.com/
NBC has OBAMA winning by 12 points over Romney? and Walker wins?
something is not adding up here at all!
I think the ELITES OF THE USA really fear the idea of everything coming un-done like Paul Krugman said
Keep in mind a Barrett win scares the hell out of the Corporate Media!
MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, want all of that campaign money spent on ADs this year.
the idea of a grass root movement defeating TV ADS destroyes their bottom lines.
Kloppenburg-Prosser race takes all night! and the Walker vs Barrett race take less than an hour to Call?
this is borderline insane!
Obama- the Republican.
The dumbing down of America continues. The only down side is they have to import engineers and scientists from overseas.
U.S. students can’t afford the costs of an engineering/science degree. Besides students today are more interested in being rich celebrities than actually contributing to the betterment of society.
NY Times says based on “early votes and exit polls”….Is that enough to get it? Sounds tenuous to me.
For a long time I’ve thought the 50/50ish split in polls was so that whomever the PTB want to win could “win” without too much squawking by voters. I guess the PTB want Walker and OBama in a big way…and they don’t care who knows it.
The recount lawyers were paid for weeks ago – guess it is time to check the voting machines and file challenges.
Scratching my head as well. Makes no sense.
It adds up to vote fraud lets hope the Justice Dept has the stones to make the call.
From the BradBlog;
The BradBlog is the gold standard as a source for understanding the issue of wholesale election fraud.
My amateur guess is that it has something to do with the successful vilification of unions.
Most if not all Democrats are sell outs. You haven’t realized that yet? Aren’t you the Pollyanna?
I agree
the ELITES know the USA is coming un-done
I expect the WI senate to go Dem, magically
this way THE ELITES keep Progressives and Conservatives happy
the ELITES hate real DEMOCRACY, the idea of govt by the people for the people is EVIL, the 1% just hates it
Obama can’t win by 12% and Walker win? this make no sense at all
Truly- let it all come undone. A Barrett or Obama win will not put the punishing wage and employment and retirement penalties back in place for hard-working families- while we make war all over the world. Democrats are just the other side of the coin. What policy has Obama done for us people- for our cherished way of life? What have the unions done? In Michigan it has been a sell-out that started with Granholm (D.) and escalates with Snyder and the greed crowd that sits or shits on Lansing.
I wonder if NBC etc are using the old numbers of who would win to make their projections and not factoring in the huge numbers of voters registering to vote today then they claim Walker won early and hope that depresses Dem turnout?
Maybe Republican voters rejecting Mittens?
40 years of demonizing unions is finally paying off. The U.S. electorate is the most ill-informed, misinformed and ignorant of any electorate in the industrialized world. The “people” that buy into this are deserving of what the PTB have in store for them. Unfortunately, many who are undeserving will suffer even more.
And I heard some commentary that alot of voters really were “morally” against a recall as not the way to change Governors…A purist outlook, I guess.
So either Walker loses and then there might be a recount or Walker wins and we have a recount if the Justice Dept decides to get involved.
Given this information either the Justice Dept makes a stand or Obama might as well stay home this election. Because other states will see that vote fraud won’t be punished.
By NBC you mean GE don’t you? You don’t think they are an impartial representative of the 4th Estate do you?
Yes, I heard that also and agree with it.
Better to be Black than a Mormon.
So even MORE people voted for Scotty than in 10, and R new voters are way up? So they looked at what he did, and said “great job killing off those greedy teacher’s unions, let’s have more of that”? Jesus tittyfu***** Christ.
Remember this is the State of Ed Guein and Jeffery Dahmer. I guess I am not too surprised. I live next door. Wisconsin is becoming the Mississippi of the North.
Yep the misinformation has swayed generations now. It’s not the corporations sending jobs overseas, it’s the union goons who are keeping the private sector wages low. The ultimate in scapegoating, repeated year after year.
I’ll say something equally unattributed to you as you attributed to me:
So you must be pleased with the supposed Walker victory?
See how that works?
For gawd’s sake I can walk and chew gum and actually think at the same time.
I challenged a commenter on a previous history of comments.
With 48% of vote in, Walker 58%, Barrett 41%. CNN and Fox calling it Walker. Dem heads exploding everywhere. Too funny.
I simply don’t believe it.
keep in mind the banks got 16 trillion from the FEDERAL RESERVE all of this was tax payer money
Unions did not get 16 trillion dollars, yes UNIONs have problems
the mission of THE ELITES is always to keep the USA GOVT a going concern
they fear, the grass roots, look around the WORLD, the radical left is taking over
A Walker loss would energize the LEFT like never before in the USA, and this is what the Elites fear
Dems and Reps are court jesters both work for the 1%
Always remember Bankers got 16 trillion, Main Street barley got 1 trillion
the USA GOVT is beyond Corrupt
I mean, the simplest interpretation is that it was a rejection of Barrett.
I’ve got a feeling the Republican voters are being reactionary. All those dirty hippies that Occupied the Capitol Building last year make for great imagery if you want to incite the idiots of the Right Wing.
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Comcast has the majority stake in NBC now.
58-41 with 50% in… gap closing a bit.
Thank you, I needed that.
Too sweet
Thats fine. I will do the same when Nov comes and Obama needs my vote.
Econobuzz, You agree with the analysis or the principle or both?
GE sold NBC but yes they still have their people in place at NBC and no I would not claim any MSM as an impartial representative of the 4th Estate.
My pleasure.
This election was about the people in this country…not the politicians.
The state senate races still have huge margins of victory for the Rs too… This runs very, very contrary to recent polling.
Wtf?
My apologies. I misinterpreted your post.
I agree with the analysis that lots of folks may have felt that way — and I can somewhat understand that feeling.
and what does Comcast contribute to the MIC? Most likely surveillance technology.
When will we recognize that electronic voting machines were designed and are controlled by republican backed money.
& #85
Spiro Agnew. . .? I don’t think he went to jail, which was remarkable considering all the bribery $ he took. He got disbarred, had to resign as VP, and wrote a big check to the gov’t.
Agnew’s having been a County Executive in Maryland should have caused Nixon to disqualify him as a running mate. Those execs were crooked as a $3 bill back then. Nixon never could connect any dots.
Propaganda
58/41? It better get closer to 50/50 or they’d better recalibrate those vote-counting machines before November.
Milwaukee County 12% reporting Walker winning I guess the good areas have more poll workers and are reporting in first but does anyone really expect Walker to win there?
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/wisconsin-recall-results
57-42 now. 58% reporting.
They’re trying to cover the spread by which Obama leads Romney. LOLOL
Just another reason I may not get off my couch in November.
We need locals who know the counties to weigh in.
I’m having trouble believing it too.
Hmmm, I wonder if Milwaukee County is waiting for Waukesha County to get their numbers in before they submit theirs. Heh. Heh. That could be fun ; )
Surveillance AND propaganda. Joe Goebbels would be impressed.
Wow. You can misuse state resources, ram through legislation without sufficient notice against state law, but using the state constitution-allowed recall election, somehow that’s not cricket-strange morality up there.
Bill Clinton: Bush Tax Cuts Should Be Extended Temporarily
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/bill-clinton-country-is-i_n_1572069.html
this is how the ELITES work CLINTON is telling the World the BUSH TAX CUTS should be EXTENDED?
still think Bill Clinton is a Dem?
If Walker loss the entire DEM agenda would be driven by OWS and the DC DEMS don’t want that
OBAMA wins by 12 % and Walker wins? not logical
the whisper campaign will be” the people of WISCONSIN don’t like Recalling Governors? really
what a funny nation
However, I think the Elites are in for a very, very, rude awakening!
someone is going to talk, there is no way OBAMA wins and Walker wins
I see no reason to trust the computers used to count the votes the first time.
A ‘recount’ means running the ballots through the same scanners again.
This process stands in stark contrast to the hand count of every ballot as prescribed by Minnesota law, and what we witnessed in the 2008 Senate race between Al Franken and Norm Coleman.
Elections have become an issue of faith and emotion, that is a mysterious process shrouded in shadows.
I hope so.
As Emma Goldman said, “if elections really changed anything they would be outlawed” or something very close to that. U.S. “elections” have become a chumps game.
The evidence so far doesn’t look too good does it?
Mansion where Romney’s having his $$$-a-plate dinner tonight has 2 paintings by Hitler for decoration-and the library has an autographed copy of Mein Kampf, in case they need to refresh their studies.
This makes no sense. Right up until yesterday it was too close to call and suddenly Walker has these numbers? I don’t believe it.
I can’t believe Eau Claire and Lacrosse aren’t gonna turn blue, too. Kloppenburg/Prosser had several western counties along the river break Dem, I’m surprised none have yet.
We will need a hand recount of the paper ballots that went through the scanners and computer experts to look at the diebold machines. All hope is not lost :)
I agree but I suspect some folks feel that way, right or wrong.
But YMMV.
Voting in the USA is all Faith Base
the Elites will never give up power! they never have!
the idea that OBAMA can win by 12% and Walker win is not logical or practical
Wisconsin must have an AWESOME ECONOMY!!! for OBAMA to win by 12% and for Walker to win also
And shouldn’t we have known that since at least 2000…? And Ms. Harris could not have been the first.
When I think of all the millions flowing in from the right on this one election – money that could, I don’t know, feed and educate some children, say – I want to projectile vomit.
Seconded! Especially when Madison the capital has 119% voter turnout that means 19% of voters are new voters registering to vote today any bets not many of them are Walker voters:)
Walker wins. And Slaves who think in the terms of their masters continues to be our biggest problem IMO.
We were prepped for this Twain. Remember all the stories in every news outlet (including this one!) about how ‘it’ll all come down to turnout’?
We’re going to be told that Republicans came out in droves and Dems didn’t fucking vote.
I don’t buy it.
Link?
I don’t believe it at all. Not at all.
As Garrison Keiller said tongue in cheek during the Bush adminstration “We’re all Republicans now.”
I don’t buy it either. Something really smells about this.
It was a piece on Rachel Maddow’s show tonight.
It least according to the counting machines…
Does Koch Industries produce voting machines?
What better way for the repugs to continue the gutting of our democracy than to have Walker win by a large margin. They think we are going to slink away.
This is why I stopped watching Rachel. I can’t stand people who cover the stories that really matter.
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I don’t believe it either, but watching the party going on at the Walker headquarters got me thinking about the turmoil that would result from challenging all that rabid ignorance.
It’s plain to see that the Walker backers actually ‘believe’ that the turnout consisted of people like them.
Our only hope is a return to paper ballots.
Look at the map
No Waukesha. No Dane. No Milwaukee.
No faith left,
Voting has been “privatized” by republicans.
this is not about turn out!
Obama wins by 12% and Walker wins also
this is not logical at all
the ECONOMY along would drive down OBAMA numbers
something crazy just happen tonite
If Barrett fares 60-40 or better in the remaining precincts he’s got it by a point or two.
Anyone wanna offer odds on the chance of that happening?
Yes, exactly.
You’ve been paying attention.
That’s a good sign. I figure if Barrett fares 60-40ish in the remaining precincts he can win by a 1-2 point margin.
They ARE all sellouts. Even Barrett wasn’t the candidate favored by labor in the Dem primary.
I care because of the depressing overtones for anyone who thinks that the system can be changed by anything short of armed insurrection. Frankly, I don’t think the Dems wanted to win; they don’t want the populace getting the idea that they can up and interfere with either party (or both parties acting together) running government as they wish.
I also care because it demonstrates why we have such a long way to go to our country, and our labor movement back. This loss is just more proof of how the union movement has sold out its members and cut off its own nose. Over the past three decades, big labor has stood behind two contradictory groups: public employee unions, and DINOs like Clinton and Obama who wanted to gut private sector unions. They were successful, which inevitably led to the current situation where public employees enjoy pension benefits that are often lavish, either by an objective standard or relative to ones in the private sector, but those same public employee unions have done nothing, NOTHING, to fight back against cuts to private sector unions.
Now, the chicken(shits) are coming home to roost.
Portage, Lacrosse, and Eau Claire are all light, too. Those numbers may yet move.
The Walker voters would rather keep the Repug they know — Obama.
If Walker wins by big margins, then we know this is election fraud (Jimmy Carter’ll tell ya) and is a test to see if “the sleeping giant awakes” or if the PTB can save their money and just rig the Nov election without bothering to pepper the teevee with ads, etc.
HuffPo: 17% of Obama supporters voted for Walker.
There you have it.
…because R’s are mad as hell and D’s are complacent. I can see that analysis emerge.
For months I’ve been writing that America isn’t anywhere near as progressive as most on this list want to believe, and have been warning that the electorate is moving ever more rightward, and have been doing so since the 1980′s. I really think many here on simply in denial and cling to the “true belief” that as things get worse the shift will be back to the left, while my own fear is that the shift will be even more to the right. Obama is to the right of the progressives because the damned electorate is to the right of the progressives and there is no way that anyone to the left of Obama (or Clinton) will get the marks in the voting booth. Guantanamo, drone killings, indefinite detention, TSA searches, invasions of privacy, etc. are all supported by the majority of the electorate, and furthermore, the Republicans are even more right-wing, especially socially, than the Democrats so the two parties are NOT exactly the same. Those that don’t realize that are dooming the rest of us to even more right-wing bullshit. The right-wing got us Citizens United, which likely got Wisconsin a win for Walker, and Citizens United will completely destroy the Liberal movement in this country by making it nearly impossible to be on the left and still win an election. Those that vote with their conscience instead of with their minds will be put up against the wall when the really right-wing stong man takes over, and the masses of the electorate will be watching and cheering. And I still see the same progressive bullshit right here in this thread–blaming the loss on the DNC, on Obama, anything but the FACT that the right wing simply has more voters than the left wing (and that is exactly why Obama leads in WI when Barrett loses).
Are you talking about an honest count?
I fear that far too many people still have “faith” in the American electorate. A Mencken quote that has stood the test of time seems appropriate.
“When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost… All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” President Romney, yeah that sounds about right.
It’s nice to know we can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on such a horribly apparent issue. This only solidifies the denial that our country lives in and pushes us that much closer to our demise.
There is no turning back. There will be no progressive correction. We are on the path of all empires before us who are unwilling to address the problems that face us and although Europe is a wonderful testament to austerity and what it holds, we must revisit the full effect of the Great Depression before we will even consider acknowledging our plight.
Yes, the “evil unions” are undermining our recovery. Forget the past 12 years of tax cuts and doing the bidding of big business, it is all the union’s fault why things are faltering. If everyone else was willing to go for the short term goal of a slightly higher paycheck in exchange for less benefits and/or pension, unions who were actually looking out for their members shouldn’t be able to benefit. *lol*
We are so doomed. Nice job idiots in Wisconsin, you will give us that nudge to send us off the cliff into austerity and the destruction of any semblance of what came out of the Great Depression or allowed for the middle class to flourish.
Now, we are full on into the race to the bottom. Until Americans are willing to work for the same wage as the slave labor in China or India, we are doomed. Labor cannot be allowed to have any right or say in the business of our new feudal lords.
Let me know when the crash hits.
Yes. If we exclude Waukesha county :)
This map from the Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel appears to have more precincts reporting than TPM’s map.
Waukesha will try and out wait Dane and Milwaukee to find votes at the last minute given the numbers of new voters coming into both those counties and registering to vote on election day this will be a long long night.
I think the Dems might have gotten some brains and are holding off announcing Dane and Milwaukee until Waukesha reports in.
It’s been scrupulously reported since 1988, there have been indictments and convictions, so why don’t you already know about Ronnie Dugger’s work?
Thanks for that.
In the counties that Barrett is winning it would appear that there aren’t enough votes left to close the gap.
Milwaukee County just turned blue — only 27% of precincts reporting so far. Meanwhile Waukesha County has 83% of precincts reported in — maybe Nicklaus is fretting that people are watching her shenanigans this time.
I see you’ve been paying attention too.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show/#47699135 @ 7:23
Link edit didn’t work.
If this exit poll holds up, it explains the discrepancy.
56-43 with 71% in…
Well, right….I started to mention the graveyard votes, but decided against it….;) Thanks.
Sure and right you are. The righteous, sensible and honest people are what the elite (both parties) fear and for good reason. They have violated so many of them-for their wealth. Truly corrupt. True liars all.
Unions in Michigan sold out for sure. Just what the elite wants.
This is just too disturbing for me tonight. I gotta disengage now or I’ll be too discouraged to fight another day. As SD says …Never. Give. Up. Nite all.
No. I don’t expect Barrett to pull it out either.
What surprises me though is how few counties broke for Barrett. I thought it was stupid of him to run again after losing to Walker last time and even more idiotic for WI Dems to support him. Still, I would have expected him to lead in more counties than he did.
I really don’t understand it.
From what I hear from friends and family though, the carpet-bombing of ads has been relentless. So who knows, maybe money can buy elections and people believe what they’re sold.
That’s a rout.
WFT is going on. none of this makes sense. there is no way walker has this much of a margin and yet O would win in just a few months. this is in your face fraud and both parties and the msm are up to their necks in it.
Time for a plan of action
Feingold wasn’t “available.” Prick
I thing GW Bush has the “First Moron President” title, already. The SC elected him the first time, but the American people are responsible for his second term. That should tell everyone something about the American electorate–think about that for a minute.
I’ve mentioned this before, but it bares repeating;
“A politician is a man who would try to steal a red-hot stove with his bare hands.”
Kathy Nickolaus would attempt to deliver a briefcase, or a trunkload, or a warehouse full of bogus votes if told to do so.
Kenosha just flipped to Barrett with 87% in.
in your World Obama can win by 12% and Walker can win? WOW
it is not 1950 anymore
the future will allow the Left to disregard the idiots of the right.
we are heading toward an America where we will have two nations on two different paths, this is possible with new technology
the idea of progressives banks, progressive grocery stores, etc. etc. it is coming!
Corporations are easy to destroy, corporations must make profits, once you destroy their bottom lines they die, they implode, investors don’t like poor companies
when bankers get 16 trillion and main street barley gets 1 trillion, your nation does not have much of a future at all
the USA is coming un-done
putting OBAMA in the WH was a big mistake
Unions don’t care about the abstract notion of a “working class” in struggle with the capitalists. They merely carve out their little fiefdoms and try and protect their small domains.
Not yet, Milwaukee isn’t in.
I’ll second you on that.
If the vote from Milwaukee, Madison and Racine was heavy enough and the polls were busy they’d be late in tallying and recording the vote count. Other than that the GOP just beat the pants off the Dems! Great day for those who love to punish public employees and organized labor in general. Here the young and minorities might have a legitimate beef. There’s plenty of perceived prejudice against both these days, especially at the point of entry level access. The big money has done a fantastic job of buying Americans, especially the impatient young. And, then selling them out. Just look what those high minded universities and tech schools pulled off. They’ve never been richer and students have never been poorer or more unemployable. But, please keep your small mindedness and vindictive nature in Wisconsin, Independents and GOP. We don’t want this spreading to Oregon. We’ve got enough troublemakers and vindictive people as it is.
The sooner thinking people admit that the U.S. electorate is the most ill-informed, misinformed and down right ignorant of any electorate in the advanced industrialized world maybe then and only then can real options for a different course be explored.
Milwaukee now with 44% in. The overall margin is now 55-45 for Walker with 75% of all precincts in the state reporting.
Barrett just giving concession speech in Milwaukee. WTF
Not only does that scare me, it also makes me sick. Sort of like when the Supreme Ct stopped the re-count in Fla…Who woulda thought?
That’s it folks…Good night.
Walker won? What’s Wisconsin going to do next? Maybe Wisconsin will next decide to join the European Union and adopt the Euro.
I would suggest Oregon and Washington begin talks with Canada about becoming provinces of a more educated and civilized nation.
I hope this puts to rest the theory that not voting, or boycotting the ballot does any good.
I don’t see a way to spin this, unless one thinks this will somehow make Dems more progressive.
If anything, this will give them more justification that they need to move to the right.
The sooner thinking people admit that the U.S. electorate is the most ill-informed, misinformed and down right ignorant of any electorate in the advanced industrialized world maybe then and only then can real options for a different course be explored.
Yep throw in with that some voter fraud etc and you might be on to something. In the words of clinton;s mouthpiece “it’s the voting machines, stupid”
Exactly. You can’t have or sustain a labor movement built entirely around public employee unions and private sector service workers unions like SEIU. You’ve got to have a wide swath of people belonging to and enjoying the benefits of union membership in manufacturing, construction, etc.
you act like UNIONS got 16 trillion dollars from USA tax Payers they did not ! Wall Street did! enough said
Obama just won by 12% and Walker also won, in the middle of a Depression
this is just not logical, for a lot of reasons!!! what a nation
Sorry but it’s still a rout. There is no organized “left” in the U.S. so this should not come as a shock and a surprise.
I’m so sorry.
I agree that America is coming undone, but it won’t be because corporations are easy to destroy. The greed of the corporations and the 1% is going to choke this country. All money will go to them, there will be zero demand internally within the country and as such, businesses will die or we become slaves to the developing world exploiting our dwindling resources for the good of people beyond our borders.
Maybe if we give the rich another tax cut things will get better.
I hope this puts to rest the theory that not voting, or boycotting the ballot does any good.
I don’t see a way to spin this, unless one thinks this will somehow make Dems more progressive.
If anything, this will give them more justification that they need to move to the right.
yep and none of that was because it might have been fixed that way to give them that excuse. nothing to see heer folks move along
It may well turn out that way. My point was simply that Milwaukee isn’t in yet, so the margin will continue to move. Most of the rest of the state has the majority of their precincts in. Only a few remain with less than 50% reporting and Milwaukee is one of them.
Sorry but it’s still a rout. There is no organized “left” in the U.S. so this should not come as a shock and a surprise.
Really so these results are all legitimate and above board in your opinion
What’s the difficulty? Most of the headlines you’ll find even now on the Net still read something like “race still too close to call,” even if the stories themselves grudgingly report the results of a nearly 60-40 blowout, often in paragraph 15 after a long diatribe about Walker and his divisiveness. See the pattern? Both before and after the race, the media are desperate to downplay the Republican success.
Maybe it’s karma on the unions for having purged their ranks of the socialists and communists in the 40′s and 50′s on the promise from the PTB that they would be able to share in the pie if only they would get rid of the “rabble rousers (who were typically the best organizers and strategists.)
Welcome to the OBAMA effect
the USA is going to have a very, very, hot summer!
the Elites know this! and you will soon
the USA is in a Depression, and there is no FDR coming, so hell is coming
Obama can’t destroy the new deal, a black guy killing the new deal is not going to go over very well
Hell is coming! get your pop corn ready
the idea of OBAMA winning by 12% and Walker winning is beyond logic
Well, they do have to whittle the margin down to the plausible end of the meter.
Exit polling. Walker won 36% of union households.
putting OBAMA in the WH was a big mistake
Oh, right. McCain/Palin would have been SOOO much better. Or maybe Hilary Clinton (wanna bet Clinton’s policies and Obama’s would be identical?)
Face it, Obama was the only Dem that was electable, and an Independent–fuggidaboutit.
Even more dispiriting is that 3 of the Senate recall races have been called for the Reps. Only one has not yet been called and from the 22% of precincts reporting in that race, the Dem is getting creamed.
This reminds me of Ohio’s ’04 vote, in that the exit polling did not mirror the ‘official’ tally, I smell a similar rat…! 8-(
Given the intelligence of the electorate, most likely.
Now that one’s a surprise. But given how few unions remain, is it a significant margin? That’s a serious question by the way, not snark.
Namely, a Rat-publican?
Are you saying that you believe the Ohio results in 2004 were accurate and honest?
Welcome to the OBAMA effect
the USA is going to have a very, very, hot summer!
the Elites know this! and you will soon
the USA is in a Depression, and there is no FDR coming, so hell is coming
Obama can’t destroy the new deal, a black guy killing the new deal is not going to go over very well
Hell is coming! get your pop corn ready
the idea of OBAMA winning by 12% and Walker winning is beyond logic
Your last line has it right. It is the voting machine effect. it has no logic just does as it is programmed
See Bluetoe2′s post @189. You may be right, and it may take facing a firing squad in a sales-tax funded football stadium before many of these people realize they’ve been had. And what they’d lost.
Obama generates enormous hate from the Left and the Right
Obama is speeding up the un-doing of the USA!
The elite thought it was wise, to have the 1st black president destroy the new deal? WOW this is what I said, this has BIG DISASTER written all over it!
OWS is just the tip of the ice berg!
the elites have no idea, the hell OBAMA is going to generate all around the USA
Yes! the black guy is going to kill social security? this is not good
“…the idea of OBAMA winning by 12% and Walker winning is beyond logic…”
Why? They’re both Republicans aren’t they?
Exit polling. Walker won 36% of union households.
ROFLMA yes that sounds so believable.
No late night tonight?
I may open that bottle anyway… I am an unhappy camper.
Yup, and exit polling also shows that 53% of persons voting for Walker back Obama.
In other words, what some Wisconsin folks I know had thought might happen, did happen: People have recall fatigue, and wanted it to be over.
This isn’t a national bellwether for November, it’s people in one state not wanting to recall someone for what they think are purely political reasons.
Keep hating and distaining average people. It’s soooo egalitarian and becoming. /s
Fer gawds sake you can’t have it both ways that Elites run everything, but normal people fuck it up for normal people and some magic way don’t fuck it up for Elites.
Dissonant and shallow fake analysis, but convenient to label “others” now, isn’t it?
PS. PW up with fraud and dirty tricks above….Is there any accountability?
Because they have experienced that unions have been compromised? All it takes is for unions to allow the theft in your face by the R nightmare and not strike back.
Several counties were pretty close, but the Walker strongholds went huge for Walker, with 4 counties giving him more than 70% of the vote. Dane County only managed to give Barrett 68% of the vote.
Still waiting on Milwaukee though…
LOL
How do you think, the USA is going to respond to the 1st black president cutting and killing Social Security, Medicare, Medicade? please tell us all! LOL
welcome to the long hot summer, my friend
Given the intelligence of the electorate, most likely.
Sure why not go with that so much easier to deal with then this is fraud on a massive scale. yep it’s the people stupid, they are just stupid they want both walker and obama
Sadly, the German people didn’t realize they’d “lost” until they stood amidst the rubble of what was once a civilized country.
Not surprising. The Unions have always been their own worst enemy. The lack of intelligence that everyone is talking about wasn’t helped by the Teachers, so they must not have been doing a very good job.
I’d say it’s a new age, but it’s really just the same.
I think the comment may be more about the role of Democrats. If you’ve been around the block over the past four years, you see the Democrats rolling over (more often than normal) because “our guy” is the one giving favor to the big business, be it the military industrial complex, Wall St., Big Pharma or Oil.
We are forced to look the other way and not dwell on the past. As such, the atrocities of the rich go unpunished and they continue to gladly fund the political machines of all the sellouts in return for doing their bidding.
What I think the point may have been was that the Democrats do better as an opposition party as opposed to leading. The party has lost its soul and is just as hollow and barren as the Republicans. There is no difference between the parties and although we are all apprehensive about a Mitt presidency, I doubt it will differ much from Bush and Obama before him. They are just riding the train as it continues to pick up momentum and continue its slide into the abyss.
The MOTU have us now and frankly there is little anyone can do about it. :
All the parties have to do is scare us a little bit, make everything an emotional “us vs. them” issue, and we’re good and like lemmings, we’ll vote against our personal interests to give into the wealthy and powerful.
Some “Republican success” when exit polls show that 53% of those who voted for Walker tonight back Obama.
This was an anti-recall vote, not a bellwether. And we got your side to waste at least $40 million, and probably closer to $100 million, on this — that’s $100 million that won’t be going to Mittens or to any GOP Congressional or Senate candidates.
But of course if Walker gets indicted, you’ll still love him, right?
And you know the ‘rat’ died in a small plane crash after agreeing to testify before congress.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/republican_it_specialist_dies_in_plane
And split the states right down the middle of the Cascades–coastal areas go to Canada, right wing interiors get what they deserve. But with Harper in power, Canada is shifting to the right, too–and BC has always been less liberal than the Eastern half of the country, so it may be out of the frying pan into the fire. Not to mention that the only real Liberal parts of the two states are the counties containing Portland, Seattle and environs–the rest of both states are purple at best, and very red in their eastern halves.
And yes, these results ARE legitimate. Please accept the fact that the U.S. is a right-wing country, and becoming more so every year..without Portland and Seattle Oregon and Washington would both be red states.
ah hah.. magic.. fuck it up for the elites. When?
Hey, I live in Ohio. Boehner, Schmidt, Chabot. Many here thought a vote for Kasich was a protest vote against Strickland who, as an establishment Dem, didn’t do anything to pull us out of the mess that Taft left (that may sound familiar). Those weren’t the Diebold machines talking. Don’t underestimate the stupidity of the electorate here.
We’ll see what the GAB does, if anything.
Just wait until the lame duck session regardless who wins. Well, we know who is going to win. The rich!
Life goes on.
Is it still a race thing? White GOP vs. black Democrats?
Kelly, you must be so proud of the “average” people tonight. Surely they’ve only confirmed your belief in their ultimate wisdom. Listen jag off. At some point the “people” have to take responsibility for the consequences of their actions unless of course you think of them as nothing more than children.
Wanted to watch coverage of this today but the weirdist thing I’ve NEVER had happen before, a few of Charter’s cable channels worked and most didn’t – all day long till an hour or so ago.
This morn the republican stock channel was pushing for a walker win and a loss for unions.
Rigged voting if you ask me. Wouldn’t it be nice if the Justice Dept WAS on top of this vote rigging business and caught those responsible for it? I’m waiting for the day after an election when the headlines are: vote rigging criminals caught.
By electing an even more right-wing President that will cut SS, Medicare, etc.
Sadly, the German people didn’t realize they’d “lost” until they stood amidst the rubble of what was once a civilized country.
Guess you have not been paying attention to what is going on in Europe lately. Yep they will be standing in rubble but not theirs it will be greece, spain, italy and so on, and not a single shot fired. The fourth reich is on the rise and many of its leaders from hitlers era were transported here. Don’t believe me google operation paperclip and start researching
With a revolution?
As far as the money spent on elections, it’s the rich giving to the rich.
You don’t think that Obama isn’t going to do those very things in the lame duck session if they don’t go through the drama of it before then? The rich want to pilfer SS and they’ll get it. Nothing for the 99%, everything for the 1%. Perhaps then there will be “certainty” in the market and the “job creators” may feel that it is OK to hire again (for a nickel an hour).
the USA military has even said the in-equality in the USA is very dangerous
the USA is not like other places on the planet
have you seen the USA gun laws
being rich, and not able to leave your home, is a lot like Jail
FDR saved the USA
we are about to see what happen when there is no FDR
the left will become, more radical, and this is where it gets scary
the right is full of idiots, the left is not
if the lefts starts boycotting certain corporations, general strikes, the USA will come to its knees
Paul Krugman said it best, it is about to all come un-done
and the idea of having the 1st black president destoy the new deal, is insane! I don’t think USA citizens are going to like this idea
Listen back, jagoff, you think of them as children, not me. I think of elections being bought, like you know the one where Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral presidential vote due to shenanigans of SCOTUS.
Plus, I am unwilling to concede that Walker has actually won until all the votes are counted, and therefore unwilling to fucking INDICT voters for their votes!
You are operating in “pretend” mode, where I am waiting for “reality and evidence” to kick in.
Think about that a little deeper.
That money was spent with the corporate owned media, who will donate it to the right wing again, secure in the understanding that they’ll get it back when it comes time to gin up the next round of BS.
These guys don’t beat us by wasting anything.
Obama generates a lot of hate from the Left and Right
Clinton got away with NAFTA, there was no OWS
Obama can not do what Clinton done
this is where the Elites made a Big mistake
So strange reflecting on 2008 and the early weeks after Obama was sworn in. How disorganized the Republicans were. How there was talk of the “The Republicans need time in the wild” and all that to get a handle on things. It is so odd to think that while the Democrats thought they were on top of the world, little did they consider that they would lose it all 4 years later.
Yes, but I would have preferred it to go on in a more pleasant fashion ; )
Don’t even need the first-hand advice of Paperclip immigrants, the recipe’s out there: crank down the economies, amp up the propaganda, and there you go.
It is called the politics of resentment. Wisconsin will stand as the poster child of this measurable piece of the average American voter’s psyche for a decade. We all suffer this shallowness; the coveting of other people’s easy street. Only the 1%ers are able to buy the airtime necessary to exploit it to the full extent of its’ effectiveness, however. They own us now lock, stock and smoking barrel. And, many of us like it that way, I guess.
You are acting like OBAMA was not a Trojan Horse?
An average Dem Candidate could have kept the Dem party very strong, just by focusing on the Economy.
tonite we just witness something very amazing. Obama won by 12% and Walker won? all of this happen in a Depression
the people of Wisconsin voted for OBAMA and than voted for Walker? this is just amazing
this tells every intelligent american that their GOVT. is a JOKE
Bankers get 16 trillion and we have a Deficit problem
the 99% does not matter, and when they find this out, hell is coming!
Are you really that delusional? Operation Paperclip at the end of WWII brought German ROCKET SCIENTISTS to the U.S. to help start up our own missile programs. (The Russians grabbed them some, too, to work on their missile program.) These scientists worked on the V-2 (A-4) during the war and were held as “suspect” by Himmler (SS and Gestapo.) The chief scientist, Dr. Werner von Braun, was head of NASA until the early 70′s and lead the team that designed the Saturn V rocket and Apollo capsules. (Mercury, Gemini, Apollo were developed under this group.) None of the scientists were *leaders* of Germany. Several (including von Braun) were arrested by the Gestapo in late 1944, but were released when the Wermacht (German Army) intervened, because they were deemed irreplaceable. Most became U.S. citizens in the 1950′s and all have since died. Geeze. You demonstrate profound historical ignorance. I retort: *YOU* go look it up.
“Little did they consider…” (including the republicans…) that Barack Obama would do wondrous rehab on the assholes who had nearly ruined the country.
Thanks phred,
9% difference in the latest count and that figure will close as the rest of the outlying precincts report. There is a lot to sort through. I’m sure the pundits will all have their say. At first glance, money trumps in disaster capitalism, even when those that were swayed with the promise of it, will not end up with any of it. Flipping over reality in my head here. Personally, it will take a while to come to terms and understanding on the home front.
Obama “won” by 12%?
What ballot was his name on and who counted them?
That sounds like some “We suck less!” mousketeers fantasy.
The fact is, that a fairly progressive state turned out a lot of voters, and the majority of them supported a rightwing prick.
If Barack Obama “won”, then his coattails must be slathered with the Ebola virus.
Am looking forward to the Ca results. I proudly DID NOT vote for Obama or Diane Feinstein. Felt good all day about that.
Obama won by 12% and Walker won? this is not logical!
the elites are playing a very dangerous game here! they need to be very careful
the MSM, ie the corporate media is trying to spend this all kinds of ways
what I fear, is the radical left, will now rise up, and abandon the idea of voting.
Union house holds voted for Walker? really? people voted to get shot in the head? WOW what a nation
Tell me MMOB, but which of the 27 dwarves did you vote for in the Senate primary?
Well, sort of, but really no. In 1970, Obama would have been a Republican, but the GOP has moved so far to the right that now he’s a Dem. My point is, the electorate has shifted, also. WI is a perfect illustration of this fact.
Did not vote for any of them. Concerned about losing my lunch. :)
*how* did people vote? Diebold? What do they exit polls say? Are they consistent?
I find it just as likely that the majority of that 99% will be in the streets marching–not against–but in support of the burning of the books with the liberal ideas and the imprisoning of the authors.
WI voters are very unique?
Obama wins by 12% and Walker wins? you do not think this is strange
What you must fear, and we all need to fear this, if some on left think voting is a waste of time, and seek other ways to destroy what clearly is govt run by corporation for corporations we have all better get ready for a bumpy ride
the idea of UNION household voting for Walker? is also very strange. Most people don’t vote to take a bullet in the head?
the Elites are in dangerous territory here!
WI should be proud they have a group of people that can vote for OBAMA and WALKER, I doubt if you will find any of these type people any where else in the USA.
the intelligent left knows the USA GOVT. is a joke,
a Govt that gives 16 trillion to Bankers and 1 trillion to main street is not going to be around very long.
i fear the intelligent left will shift their focus else where and attack Wall Street Banks, with the EU dying, a run on USA banks will put the USA in a Depression
I don’t think progressives are going to tolerate many more night like this one.
I fear hell is coming.
Faith Base voting is not working
Wisconsin citizens voted for Obama and Walker? only in the USA, you find people like this
your funny!
what a nation
Obama the 1st black president kills the New Deal
if this happen I expect we will all see a lot of BURNING! LOL
man the dems just stink of failure… i mean really they cant wash it off. i mean they could have dug millard filmore up and run his corpse and won in 08. that was a gimme election. Clinton only won because the Boomers wanted one of their own. the dems are just losers.
“this isn’t a national bellwether for November…”
I disagree. I think that’s exactly what it was. This state that has a fairly solid history of backing progressives, now has a lot of people in it who perceived this, in substantial measure, as a referendum on Barack Obama. I don’t know about “recall fatigue”…I think that’s not much of a factor in this vote, but I think that had to be a lot of independents and some democrats, who did not want to see Obama triumphant.
And it might be that part of that was because they didn’t want him to jump on the victory bandwagon, when he was too chickenshit to show up himself, and when he was just too damn cowardly to even ask the DNC to help Barrett.
Good fellow. I refuse to vote in uncontested races myself.
Only 2 points to make:
1. Barrett barely got any votes above the number of recall signatures he got. WTF? Somehting stinks.
2. There is a reason that anyone with a clue who lives in Wisconsin lives in Dane County…..
“Felt good all day about that.”
No argument here.
I don’t know WTF I’ll do, here in South Carolina. If I want to, I can “safely” vote for him, and protect my long record of participating for many elections, knowing it will be meaningless.
Realistically, I don’t think I can reward him for all that he’s done and not done.
I see few people discussing the what-if of his actively campaigning for Barrett, or, at the least, cutting some ads.
What effect it might have had is probably unknowable, but just once, I’d like to see him take a political risk and do the right thing, and damn the conservative torpedoes.
Phoenix talks about “recall fatigue”…maybe so, but I will guarantee everyone on this thread that that’s nothing compared with how tired many, many, people are of this do-nothing fool in the White House.
This is a painful outcome. I guess “the people united will never be defeated” is not as true as I want it to be. I’ve just been reading George Lakoff’s Don’t Think Of An Elephant. I like his proposition that progressives must start a long term project to reframe the discussion. People vote for what they understand and the Right has been organizing it’s presentation of ideas for forty years. It seems to me that just having truth on our side and motivating the voters is not enough.
I agree
How can Obama win by 12% and Walker win? what kind of people live in Wisconsin
the MSM is on full spend mode
Obama winning by 12% and Walker winning is beyond all LOGIC
Yeh care to give me the dates when the were held as suspects by himler and the links to back it all up. Also how many were held and how many brought over here. yep all during the time of hitler were sidelined did not do any work to help with his agenda, but remarkably kept alive by him so we could benefit later.
While I am asking care to explain to me how an independent poland was the UK’s line in the sand, why we went to war and afterwards we gave it and much more to Russia?
Yes same for the industralist that helped create the chemicals the killed the jews, the machines that powered his wars and so. gee some of them even had their own jewish slave camps. They were dealt with so severely after a the war. Funny how some went on to keep control of their empires, a few saw it break up and given new names, and couple got a slap on the wrist and maybe a few years in prison. After all we did need a few poster nazis to serve some prison time
you assume that because a household is “union” they actually care. I know people who have had to join various unions to work. they dont take it seriously or really care. I mean its not like they willingly joined YounG Democrats. It was something they had no choice in. They feel like they are paying the union to deal with something like workers comp. Not tell them who to vote for. The operative word theree is PAY. The union works for them not the other way around
“We are about to see what happens when there is no FDR…”
that might be the most accurate (and scariest) futurist statement on here in a while.
Unfortunately, FDR or not, it’s looking like some kind of collapse of this dog-eat-dog capitalism may be required for people to demand a government that will work for all of us, instead of just the 1%.
lol…when has that ever been true. when? lol.
tonite proves some a lot more dangerous
Obama can not win by 12% and Walker win
something happen in Wisconsin Tonite that is beyond all logic
keep in mind progressive won big in 2008, only to find out they elected a Trojan Horse
the Elites never will give up power, this is what progressives must come to grips with.
what i fear, is a lot of my progressives friends will seek new ways to destroy the USA corporate Govt.
Normal people can not vote for Obama and Scott Walker
something very bad happen tonite
Enter the following in your favorite search engine:
“Wernher von Braun Wiki”
Then read the Wikipedia article, top to bottom. Or, click on the link below to the same article:
LINK
The actual link is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
Oh and while I am asking care to explain how poland independence was UK line in the sand and after the war we gave it and much more to Russia
wow you post here and then think all you read on wikipeadia is true. apart from the fact that is just one guy and does not explain the countless others, all if we are to believe just sat on the sidelines, i mean fuck feeding their family or anything, who knew scientists were such anarchists at heart. But if wiki is how deep your research goes, sleep on. No wonder walker won tonight
I agree
but what happen in Wisconsin tonite is just very bizarre and scary
I can not picture someone voting for OBAMA and Scott Walker, this is just to strange
If you watched the MSM all day, and followed polling, MASS TURNOUTS don’t usually result in GOP wins?
other forces are at play here, and they know the Intelligent Left knows this.
I agree with Paul Krugman all of it is about to come un-done, the Elites are making huge mistakes
Jed: “The idea of Obama winning by 12% and Walker winning is beyond logic.”
Kafka: “Why? They’re both republicans, aren’t they?”
Ouch, that’s gonna leave a bruise. :o)
In Wisconsin Obama brings people together? WOW
Walker supporters and Obama supporters all think a like?
let us assume the USA Voting system is not rigged
Black candidates like Obama usually don’t get GOP and DEM votes?
Walker is not a moderate Republican?
do you think progressives voted for Obama and Walker
or
did conservatives vote for Obama and Walker
one of these happen? “keep in mind conservatives don’t usually vote for black candidates who are Dems? or call themselves Dems? :)
something strange happen here
In Wisconsin Obama brings people together? WOW
Walker supporters and Obama supporters all think a like?
let us assume the USA Voting system is not rigged
Black candidates like Obama usually don’t get GOP and DEM votes?
Walker is not a moderate Republican?
do you think progressives voted for Obama and Walker
or
did conservatives vote for Obama and Walker
one of these happen? “keep in mind conservatives don’t usually vote for black candidates who are Dems? or call themselves Dems? :)
something strange happen here
Yep George Orwell has been vindicated tonight
Well, I think it’s strange, but it is what it is, and Obama is right wing enough to attract the votes of an anti-union, anti-tax electorate. I think it was George Carlin that pointed out how stupid the “average” guy is, and fully half of the population is stupider than that guy. Now, that is something to ponder.
well… i do think there is something odd. I dont know enough about wisc to really evalute but yes people dont usually register and go vote to preserve the status quo…
But the results technically arent odd. These same people have ALREADY elected Obama and walker once. So its already happened once. Twice isnt that far fetched.
But then again you cant really trust the lefty media. They love cheerleading and pep rallies and giving everyone hugs and pats on the back. If you just come to the realization that the dem party is just fail you are never let down by their inevitable crash and burn
Well, I think it’s strange, but it is what it is, and Obama is right wing enough to attract the votes of an anti-union, anti-tax electorate. I think it was George Carlin that pointed out how stupid the “average” guy is, and fully half of the population is stupider than that guy. Now, that is something to ponder.
Don’t waste your time. It is manipulations and orwell at his finest. People are not stupid but those that are trying to control what you think use this. Believe it is people that are stupid and you have just been played. Your choice, chose wisely
Thank You! Thank YOU!
other forces were at work in WI tonite
George Orwell is smiling
thank you!
the elites are playing games, they always do!
to keep the AUSTERITY GAME on track, you can’t let Walker get beat.
now the Elites will make sure the WI senate goes Dem, to keep the radical left at bay
WI senate will stay repub, the PTB have nothing to fear from “the radical left”….this is their test for November.
There’s no way for the vote counting to be verified: just the way “they” like it, and apparently “the people” too since it’s easier to insult voters than to decry the unverifiable vote counting.
been to GREECE lately, the radical left now run the place
every govt. fears the radical left
Progressives in the USA are very nice, but below the surface the beast dwells
remember the 1960′s every 30 to 40 years the USA has a mini revolution, we are over due
the USA has way to many young males un-employed and under-unemployed this is always dangerous for any society.
get your pop corn ready!
i expect this summer is going to be very, very, hot
“People are not stupid”
I’m not so certain. The average IQ is 100 and I’m not convinced that those 100 scores belong to really cognitive people–at least my personal experiences don’t lead me to the ultimate conclusion that they have a f1_1cking clue.
Please go view this video
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101732696
Give it up already. You were wrong. (“..none so blind as those that will not see.”) Regeneratively cooled, liquid rocket engines are a hobby of mine. (I’m an engineer and geek.) But, I’ll play along if you like. The WIKI article was as close I could get to “An Idiot’s Guide to the History of Rockets and Missiles.” But, here you go. (These are all in my library and are some of the “non-technical” rocket books covering early rocket history.)
Von Braun: Dreamer of Space, Engineer of War – M.J. Neufeld
Project Paperclip: German Scientists and the Cold War – C.G. Lasby
Von Braun: Dreamer of Space, Engineer of War – Michael J. Neufeld
Science With A Vengeance: How the Military Created the US Space Sciences After World War II – David H. DeVorki
Peenemude to Canaveral – D.K. Huzel
Hitler’s Rockets: The Story of the V-2s – Norman Longmate
The History Of Germany’s V-weapons In World War II – Benjamin King and Timothy Kutta
These should get you started. Let me know when you finish them and I’ll send you a larger list somewhat more technical in nature.
Unemployed? The Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines have a place for you! Join Now! The War Against Terrorism is in full swing and volunteers are needed.
Sorry, my snark key is broken.
So what were those first 25+% of precincts that reported who chose Walker 60-40? If I remember, the vote gap was around 180k then, which it still is. So the next 75% of all WI voters vote almost exactly 50-50?
From the Guardian a little earlier:
“With nearly 80% of the Wisconsin recall vote in, Scott Walker has an 11 point lead over Tom Barrett. So it wasn’t just the exit polling that was wrong, it was every single poll that showed this to be a close race.”
Yeah, Jimmy Carter should be screaming this is a bogus, banana republic type election.
what are you talking about?
do you think strong societies have large numbers of un-employed young men?
any military expert will tell you, this is not good!
you do know the wars are being ended?
this is class warfare
the elites are terrified, they know what happen in the 1930s, 1940s,
been to an Occupy rally, seen how there are more police than protesters, somebody is scared.
when 1% of population has 90% of the wealth, this does not make for a happy nation.
FDR save the USA, you better pray another FDR comes to rescue the USA soon
once poeple have nothing to live for, they lose it, I mean they really lose it.
Crime is sky rocketing all over the USA, right now
do you think young people are going to accept being poor? especially young men? been to Africa lately, wars are all over the place
anyone who took sociology 1101 will tell you socities with a large number of un-employed young males are dangerous and not stable
Here’s how I see it:
The Wisconsin Dems did their best, and fired their best shot.
Problem is, the national Democrats (Obama included) stabbed them in the back by not providing any means of support when needed, or even attempting to match the floods of money from the other side.
Plus, Walker added the ground game and institutional support of the Religious Right and the Tea Party, who matched the Dems voter for voter. The result was a wash as far as increased turnout.
The real blowback, however, is that the national Democratic Party has moved so far to the Right since 2008 that they have proven unable or even unwilling to address core economic issues, and this disheartening defeat will simply further that process by strengthing the Reaganite Right (which now dominates BOTH parties on economic matters) to further destroy the last vestiges of the welfare state and union protection under the cover of “shared sacrifice”.
Scaring people about abortion rights and voting rights and SCOTUS appointments don’t work so well if you don’t provide essential economic basics…and on that note, the Democrats have been as abysmal a failure as they were in 1978-79 and 2002-2003. And we all know what followed those years, do we??
Prepare for a Romney-GOTP sweep come November…then prepare to build a genuine independent Left as the resistance to fascism.
George Orwell is smiling
high turnouts now favor the GOP? WOW what a nation
the USA Voting system insults Banana Republics
Jimmy Carter has already said the USA voting system is joke numerous times
That’s what corporate prisons are for. And domestic drones. And militarized police forces. And indefinite detention. Don’t worry, your government will keep you safe from any “domestic terrorists” that might crop up in your midst. Report any suspicious behavior to your local authorities.
are you kidding me. wow. I tell you what I will make a deal. You explain to me how we gave russia after the war poland and most of eastern europe and I will in return back up what I said. It is late here so off to bed, but will click on here tomorrow to read your answer
I think you may be missing the point–it appears that what may amount to a majority of citizens actually supports fascism, or are at least leaning that way.
I don’t think everyone who voted for Walker did so because they like him as much as they were against the recalls in principle. And to some extent, I agree with them. I don’t like Scott Walker, but the people voted him into office in 2010. I realize the claim is he never ran on ending collective bargaining, but it would seem his political history could have at least shown he was not a fan of the unions.
The issue of money in politics is directly related to voter apathy and non-engagement. If people want to overcome the power of money, we’ll have to figure out how to get citizens more aware so they don’t fall victim to the lies and deception of slick advertising.
Wisconsin: “April 2012 First municipal elections in newly created wards.
November 2012 First general election in newly created legislative and congressional boundaries.”
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Redistricting_in_Wisconsin
I wanted to add lines drawn by Repub’s.
It’s odd watching this play out. Like a dream within a dream.
The place is rife with magical energies, misunderstood, or replaced with fantasy. Inundated?
Will we say we were there? Will we admit that to those that follow?
Or bow our heads when asked the when, wheres, and hows? Regret?
The great behemoth did not die with a barbaric yawp.
It was sucked dry. Slowly. Painfully. Regretfully. And with willful ignorance in tow. Maybe it did it do itself?
It trudged those last few steps. Reinvigorated before its last gasp.
It struggled and surged forward with the last of its remaining energy.
“I am still alive”, it said. “I am still present … here … now … when?”
And then it slowed. It grew weak and fatigued. Acceptance?
No, it bellowed. Surge damn you, surge. Bring forth that last bit. Bring forth that which is not there. Bring the energies of life force from the eternal darkness. “I am here. Can’t you hear me?!” “Why can’t I hear myself any longer?”
Rear up on hind legs and bellow forth one’s name: “I was here”. Adamant stance till naught?
And then the last of the energy is gone. Sapped dry at last as the remaining life force infuses tissues before none shall follow after.
It thought, “I am so tired, … how can anything be so tired?”
The booze was spent. All the rest had gone home in their stupor.
Until all that remained was the half-finished bottles and a room that would be cleaned tomorrow.
The behemoth lay back. It was tired. Blood leaked from every pore, a trickle at best, … from each pore.
As it lay on that cold ground, it let those arms, … whose arms are these? … lay to the side with careless abandon. Intent?
But now the last shadows of the memory of the embers of its own fire remained … that last bit … morsels for memory … and it took a deep sigh.
As the sun went down before it, and the wind grew cold, instead of the regret that had haunted it during life and till the very end … now there was acceptance … “I will go quietly into that good night, where oblivion, arms open wide, awaits, and with sweet words it beckons, and it says, sleep well my child, you have returned to where you started, and now you may rest in peace, eternally, in my arms, which will always hold you, comfort you, and you will never want again, … for here, there is no want, … only the eternal solace of time, without end …”
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If 17% of Obama supporters voted for Walker it proves that they too see nothing wrong with making public employees pay more towards their pensions and for other measures to slow the rise in their outsize wages and benefits.
I am one of the 17%,I will vote for Obama but here in New Jersey,in 2013,I will vote for Christie because he has also taken big steps to make public employees pay more for their gilt edge benefits that people in private employment do not enjoy.
You see your fellow worker as the enemy. Divide and conquer has worked on you. I see how you can vote for Obama, the murdering torturing liar. You would rather attack your peer than the robber barons in power. Lovely.
you are very optimistic
the USA already locks up more people than anyone on the planet
the USA Justice system is a complete joke
Aren’t you rather missing the point? Which was that the media persisted in describing it as “too close to call” long after it was lost, thus continuing the highly partisan and entirely unrealistic spin it had been putting on the story for months. I expect the continuing coverage to be much like your comment, which is to say, focusing on the possible silver linings and ignoring the plain news, which was the drubbing that Barrett took and the solid mandate for Walker’s reforms.
let not call the corporate media news!
let us start calling the corporate media an info commercial for Austerity and Rich people getting richers
the elites made a huge error last night, and they know it
the idea that 17% of Wisconsin voters can vote for a black dem candidate and a right wing nutcase is very, very, strange.
the Elites also made sure the WI senate went Dem to ease the blow of their dirty tricks
I enjoy the rigged up USA voting system
however, the politics of race tell us all, that in Wisconsin you have people that can vote for a black dem and right wing nut case :)
this is hilarious
If this doesn’t furnish further evidence that voting in the USA is a pointless gesture, nothing will.
Here is how the race for POTUS will end in 2012:
more people will vote for Obama BUT
the election will be kept artificially close by phony polls, so
the election will be easily STOLEN by rigging 1-3 swing states.
MITT by a nose (for the banksters)
YHIHF
I agree
the USA Faith Base voting system is hilarious
last night a so call tight race for WI governor took 49 min to call?
a wisconsin race for the supreme ct takes 14 hours to call?
few states use voting systems that have an audit trail