Ezra Klein wrote a provocative article yesterday making the case that a Romney Presidency would probably include more Keynesian spending than if Obama won a second term. It’s being pilloried by partisans, but I’m not sure why.
Klein is merely making the demonstrable point that Republicans have willingly resisted efforts to improve the economy over the past few years, but that they would not resist under a Republican President. Further, the implication is that Republicans could care less about the deficit when one of their own occupies the White House, which is also demonstrably true
It’s not even an argument about Romney per se as much as it is about John Boehner and the GOP Congress. They will be highly unlikely to force a debt limit showdown under a President Romney, even if they get some long-run concessions out of it. They would be likely to agree to extended if not deepened tax cuts, not a particularly good form of Keynesianism but a fiscal expansion nonetheless. And they would be likely to boost Pentagon spending in a kind of military Keynesianism, also a proven loser relative to other federal spending, but an expansion. A lot of this depends on the outcome of the House and Senate, which is up in the air. But presumably, a Romney victory correlates with Republican victories in Congress.
The argument on the other side says that Republicans might install these tax cut-and-military-Keynesian measures, but they would attach something like Cut, Cap and Balance to them, to force overall spending and deficits down and “make Keynesian deficit spending in a recession illegal.” But Romney has already made the Keynesian argument here that he would not take all the spending out of the economy at once, as that would throw the economy into recession.
Also, it’s worth noting that the Budget Control Act includes a ten-year spending cap that sets a ceiling for federal spending and, if you like, makes increased deficit spending in a recession illegal. That’s certainly what we’re seeing over the last two years, as a growing number of commentators have realized. And there’s no reason to believe that, even after re-election, there would be a new dynamic where the President boldly pressed for more spending measures that he could actually get. Look at the budget for basic research and development, even after President Obama touted a new “Sputnik moment.” It has basically stagnated, as all spending has trended downward (something the Administration has boasted about).
It’s worth pointing out that the so-called “fiscal cliff” is a bit of a misnomer. It’s more of a fiscal slope, with fiscal policy contracting gradually over many years. There would be time to reverse course even after the end of December. But would there be a dynamic able to reverse course without gridlock? That’s the argument that points to Romney and a Republican trifecta.
It would be easier to counteract this argument if Democrats offered an actual choice. They may not get their wishes, but they would at least start from a higher position, and as they seek to catch the falling knife with a compromise during the fiscal slope, it would at least end up in a better place. Instead, as Dean Baker writes, we’re not seeing any of that:
The basic story of this downturn remains incredibly simple. We lost close to $1.4tn in annual demand when the housing bubble collapsed. The construction boom that was fueled by the bubble went into reverse, with new construction falling to its lowest levels in more than 50 years. The consumption boom fueled by the bubble-generated equity collapsed when that equity disappeared.
We cannot return to full employment until we have something to replace the demand that had been generated by the housing bubble. This is simple arithmetic [...]
President Obama and the Democratic leadership have refused to put forward a serious alternative path. While they have been willing to argue that rich people should have to pay some taxes, they have not come to grips with the nature of this downturn, as if hoping that, somehow, the economy will just jump back to its pre-recession level of output through some magical process. There is no magic that will allow the economy to override basic arithmetic. In the short term, only the government can provide the boost necessary to support the economy. Over the longer term, we will need to get the trade deficit down through a more competitive dollar.
Millions of unemployed Americans are suffering in a period of benign neglect, and they can be forgiven for thinking they don’t have a champion at the federal level. If you want to counteract the narrative that a Romney Presidency would at least avoid gridlock, leading to a better economic situation, at least you could demand some real talk and real proposals from the Democratic leadership.
…this does amount to a case of a hostage situation, where Republicans demand the Presidency or they will continue to let the economy suffer. But again, why are partisans mad at Ezra Klein for pointing that out? They say that all the time. And incidentally, this points to a fundamental flaw in the current political system, though nobody prefers to touch that third rail.




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Ah, my favorite activity – provocation! Let me pile on.
When Bush wanted to privatize SS, the Democrats actually fought him (I know – amazing).
When Obama wanted to cut SS (same results to recepients as the Bush plan) we got crickets from Democrats.
So it is reasonable to ponder that if SS is to be presereved in the next administration, we may actually have a better chance under Romney.
That such a thought even approachs respectability is indicative of how screwed up our politics are.
If Romney is elected, Soc Sec will be saved because the Dims will fight like they did with Bush.
We’ve been subjected to Milton Friedman’s Chicago School disaster capitalism from the Reagan administration through the Obama administration. As remote as it may seem that Romney would push for policies more favorable to the 99%, diogenes@1 makes an excellent point that at least the “Democrats” in Congress would offer token opposition to further attacks on the social safety net. We’ve seen the continued destruction perpetrated by the Obama administration and their economic team. While I won’t vote for either of these wankers, Romney couldn’t be any worse, could he?
What we might suffer under Romney is probably preferable to what we have already suffered under Zero. And it is certainly better than what we will get with another term for President Pinocchio.
Republicans take any opportunity to benefit the rich and cut programs and regulation protecting the working class, poor and elderly. Romney would probably increase defense spending, cut taxes for the rich and cut social programs. If one wants to call this Keynesian, fine. However, it’s a massive DICK that thinks this is in any way comparable to a real Democrat LEADING and fighting for programs directly the working class, poor and elderly. Yes, President Obama doesn’t do this. I know.
Being provocative is just a dick’s way of getting attention. If any provocateur thinks the working class, poor and elderly would in any way be better off with Romney as president, then he’s lost his freakin’ mind! This is as good a reason as any to ignore that prick at WaPo.
But ya gotta admit Oilybomber will try to gut SS and Medicare thru the Cat Food Commission 2. At least if Romster tries this, the Democrat Party will put up a real fight. These are the last strands of the safety net and I think they are worth saving. Who gives a crap if Romster is in office or not.
Interesting to see if the Obama campaign reacts to this at all.
Similar argument has been put forward by Matt Stoller here:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/04/matt-stoller-obama-as-neoliberal-ideologue.html
Is Klein’s argument going to gain acceptance in the DC talking head’s club? I think not, they will continue to discuss the profound differences, I suspect.
No, I don’t admit Dems will fight for those programs. There may not even be enough of them around to fight and make a difference. Let’s face the fact that WaPo guy is just a dick. He has no sympathy or solidarity with the working class. I know what side he’s on in the class war. There’s no doubt.
More
Corrupt Democrats
vs
Corrupt Republicans
As if they are the only choices… when is this crook vs crook garbage going to stop…?
> It would be easier to counteract this argument if
> Democrats offered an actual choice.
TBogg, jump in here and and explain to these whacked-out hippies why President Obama and the Democrats are wise to refrain from offering an actual choice to the American People, mkay?
LOL. You made a cool funny.
Ezra Pound Klein is a dick, I’ll agree, but he kinda has a case here.
Actually, we’ve already tried this before: Remember 2000, when Bush got a Republican Congress to play with? Some pundits were so happy about this because it wasn’t just “an end to partisan gridlock”, but because Bush would allegedly be “free” to be more liberal than anyone had dreamt (this was the “only Nixon could go to China” theory).
Funny, I don’t recall Bush passing single payer or reinstating Eisenhower-era tax rates. Do you?
(And no, Nixon could not be elected as a Republican today, as his former Cabinet member William Simon succeeded in pushing the media so far to the right that they shoved the Overton Windows rightward as well.)
I think it’s a good way to telegraph to Obama the following message: “Hey, dude. You think you’ve got us safely locked up. You don’t — hint, hint.”
And then see if his behavior changes.
Hey….does anybody really know what Romney will do. Of course we think he will do what he has said, reduce taxes, reduce spending and create jobs.
Bullhockey. He has taken every possible position on practically every issue. I don’t think anybody really knows what he will do and, for that matter, what he can get through congress. We could likely have a democratic house and senate and him in the White House. We could have a republican house and a democratic senate and him in the White House.
THis guy has been saying whatever it takes to get elected and, lest us not forget what we have right now in Obama. And he looked very believable in his campaign.
The only thing for sure is the 99% are screwed.
While there is some real historical precedent highlighting how purported “Democratic” pols have fought against the so-called “Republicans” for issues of importance to the 99%, that happened in the past.
My question is what would the “Democratic” pols do going forward, esp the Blue Dogs & DINOs, who’ve been only too too happy to vote for the Obama tax cuts for their corporate sponsors.
From where I sit, I think the 99% is pretty much hosed in any case. It’s all a Kabuki Show with a revolving cast of villains, which is meant to fool some of the people all of the time that we actually have, you know, a “choice,” and “choice” that, you know, actually makes a difference.
I simply don’t believe we have a choice anymore, other than to vote third party and attempt to be better organized. Otherwise, the One Party Oligarchy will do whatever the feck they want, which won’t mostly be beneficial for the peons in the 99%. The end.
But I do remember the Dims fighting against Bush’s SS privatization plans.
I’m much more worried with Dronemaster O than Romney because the Wizard of O won’t be criticized by the Obamabots if were to kill the SS and Medicare.
I think I owe you a drink, my friend. Whaddaya havin’???
It’s the soundbite, DDay: The best way to restore the economy is to vote for Romney. Good ole Ezra, lookin’ for access already with the Mittens crowd.
This is too funny! I’ve always thought the GOPers should vote for Obama (best GOP prez ever!). Now along comes Klein making the pitch Dems should vote for Romney.
LOL! The ultimate absurdity of our “2 party” duopoly. Dems/GOPS = Obama/Romney = interchangeable dickheads.
Obama and his team must be seeing the polls. They must be seeing the political blogs. THey must realize that he has lost a good % of voters that supported him last time.
You’re right, as usual, if only someone could walk up to him and shake him. But, does he care? Is he happy to be a one-termer? Is he and DNC oerfectly being comfortable with their “WE suck LESS” approach. Romney’s good numbers keep going up. Romney’s bad numbers keep goin down.
LOng time ’til November. But, as Yogi Berra said, “It’s gettin’ late early.”
“Real Democrat LEADING and fighting for programs”
We had a chance for that in Hillary but fear of “group loyalty” walking out (can’t discuss lest one be called racist) and folks convinced that she was not enough to the left to protect the social net and to stop war gave us Obama.
So we DO NOT HAVE A “Real Democrat LEADING and fighting for programs” – we have Obama.
Which leaves us with a guy at WaPo being provocative by telling the truth.
But there is still time for Obama to say something that makes him deserve a second term – like a rejection of all “grand bargains” that harm Social Security, or admitting his health reform still has no cost control and saying he will take on the health industry and impose a board that sets maximum charges by service provided, or saying he would demand the return of all the Clinton tax rates – and then proposing new tax cuts from those levels that restores the Bush tax cuts but only for the middle class and poor (changing rate reduction into credits that disappear with larger income, saying he would fund Social Security and a basic care national plan via using the payroll tax on all income – including investment income – or at least that he would allow the Vermont Single payer to go forward by allowing the Health reform “Exchange” money (premium to be paid to insurance companies) go toward the Vermont single payer Health Plan.
Good Grief – we are less than 5 months out and not a damn word about the future under Obama – so just why is Obama to be preferred over Romney.
Democrats have always been better as an opposition party. Full stop.
What she said. Also,
“Romney has already made the Keynesian argument here that he would not take all the spending out of the economy at once”
And he will keep this promise because…?
Since Reagan, whenever the Republicans have the Presidency, they have cut social programs, cut taxes for the rich, and expanded military spending. You see the Keynesian programs in there? Me neither. I don’t see why Romney would be any different from any Republican President of the past 50 years.
Historically, yes. Well said.
I agree. The lackeys in the WH read our stuff and report to their Dim superiors.
Seriously, though, I don’t think any of this matters. While I hope that the safety will be spared, I think the Dims are as fanatical about screwing the working class as the Republics. The criminal elite will do anything to protect themselves. Oilybomber and Romney are a-hole rich bastards and we are squirrels looking for a nut. This is the reality. Class defines us more than party. This is why they are obsessed with keeping this about party. Imagine if the sheep actually thought in class terms??? Can you imagine?
I’ve been making this argument for some time now. It seems to be gaining traction. Wierdly.
DDay, not sure how you reconcile these two claims:
and
The democrats are already on board for massive cuts. Obama’s budget – the one he is running on, not the one negotiated with the Republicans – has MORE cuts in spending over the short term than Simpson-Bowles. And Pelosi herself has already come out in favor of Simpson-Bowles.
So these are things they would do, even without Republican ‘hostage-taking’. I.e. they are very much Austerians by nature, not by necessity forced upon them by the GOP.
There is no hostage taking here. There is a party that is Austerian when in power – the Democrats – and there is a party that is Austerian only when in the opposition.
The latter may be hypocritical and absurd. But it’s not analogous to a hostage-taking
I say again, if anyone thinks the working class, poor and elderly would be better off even with Republican fiscal stimulus, that is a crazy motherfucker, provocateur or not! We’re not getting what we want until we organize a working class party to promote and protect our economic interests.
Saw a recording of Obama on TV last night from 2009, where he stated that if the economy wasn’t substantially improving after 3 years of his administration he deserved to be a one term President. Let’s make it so.
Isn’t it Oilybumbler who constructed the Cat Food Commission, with that dessicated crone Alan Simpson as the titular head?
OK, woah woah woah woah woah.
I get what people are saying about Boehner and the GOP sabotaging Obama and the economy for purely partisan gain. However, we’re making a BIG MISTAKE if we think that the GOP will ever support stimulative spending. Romney has weak support among the GOP base and rank-and-file legislators. A Romney presidency will be viewed as a perfect opportunity to continue to use the economic crisis as an excuse to dismantle the social safety net and human capital investment spending while racking up huge tax cuts for the rich, corporate welfare, and oligarchical wars. Remember, the primary objective of many republicans in the House is to ‘drown the baby in the bathtub.’ They will not care if Romney’s presidency is weakened by continuing unemployment and widespread human misery. It’s more important to them to lock-in permanent damage to the ability of the U.S. Federal government to function and to enshrine corporate governance.
yes
You never hesitate to laud Hillary “The Hawk” Clinton as if she’s anything other than a neo-liberal corporate puppet. She advocates for US imperialism and supports regime change globally. She even refused to support President Zelaya when the plutocrats removed him from office in Honduras through a coup. Both she and her husband are a plague upon this country and should be shunned.
No… YOU are making the mistake…
Both parties are totally 100% corrupt.
There are NO answers to be found for the nations problems from crooked Democrats or crooked Republicans.
Obama = Hillary
Hillary = Obama
Ezra is 100% right. There’s a reason the GOP establishment carried Romney the last 70 yards to over the goal line. He’e the most moderate GOP nominee since Gerald Ford and has the strongest appeal to swing voters.
He was the only candidate who limited his tax cuts to those earning under $250k, he He’s the only Republican candidate I’ve ever heard of who endorses indexing the minimum wage to inflation and when he’s tired and caught off-guard by a question, he sounds suspiciously like a Keynesian.
If the economy was booming this summer, Obama would win regardless. The economy stinks, any Republican to the left of Rick Perry would have a strong shot with swing voters, with his Massachusetts record and his Ned Flanders vibe, Romney is going to clean up.
If Romney’s elected, I suspect he’s going to eat the Democrats’ lunch in a singularly cruel way. His Medicare reform plan looks an awful lot like Obamacare but with a public option (traditional Medicare, as it happens). How would Hill Democrats react if his promised Obamacare repeal bill rolled everyone into the Medicare program?
Incidentally, neither Romney nor McConnell would mind all that much if the House’s Tea Party majority got swept out this fall. It’d be like getting the inevitable 2nd year midterm shellacking out of the way upfront.
Ezra is a shill…
For the Corrupt Democrats AND Corrupt Republicans…
He doesnt have anything right. His job is to maintain the corrupt two party status quo.
I agree.
Chris Matthews, the hard-core democrat, has already got that “tingling feeling up his leg” about Hillary in ’16.
All these clowns live in a different reality than I.
As far as I’m concerned, both Clintons are a national disgrace, and I don’t even understand how Bill can show his face in public.
It’s “Short Attention Span Theater”. They think we’ve forgotten.
Sorry… my comment @ 34…
Was a reply to KC @ 31.
Sorry, wasn’t ignorin’ you. Sometimes I have to at least appear to be workin’.
Dos Equis, as always.
Stay thirty my friends.
“titular”….is that a dirty word???
I think we should revisit the “guillotine” solution.
Worked pretty well for the French.
SS was more saved by popular backlash than the Dims. SS is popular even amongst Tea Partiers.
The Dims’ favorite tactic in opposition to the Repugs is never to do what the Repugs always do–use scorched-earth tactics that make use of every resource possible to stop Repug outrages. Oh, no, they position themselves to *lose*–while giving speeches and shaking angry fists in the air and saying that, when they get power, they’ll reverse this outrage.
Except the Dims never do roll it all back when they have the opportunity. Instead, they position themselves to look helpless, constrained by procedural restraints that never bothered or restrained the Repugs or bother to seek “bipartisan solutions” when the Repugs never do. Dims are full of excuses why they can’t do exactly what Repugs just did. The result is that the Repug outrages become the new “normal”.
To conclude: I don’t buy this argument. Romney will be worse. Each and every Repug president for the past 30 years has been worse than any preceeding Democrat and has been worse then his *Repug* predecessor to boot. While I agree with those that say Obama has pretty much been Bush’s 3rd term, I see no reason why a Romney presidency wouldn’t be still worse. Many thought George W.’s talk about “compassionate conservatism” might indicate that he was secretly moderate, but what we got was Dick Cheney instead.
I’m wondering how much longer this game goes on. On “Up with Chris Hayes” a commentator said that one of the dangers of Obama’s DoJ supporting the Voting Rights Act in Florida is that cases like these might end up in the Supreme Court–where the Roberts Court might actually *strike the Voting Rights Act down*, voting rights has long been a target for repeal of the right.
And that, kids, could effectively end any ability to have any voting opposition in the US.
-stewartm
> “titular”….is that a dirty word???
No, no and no. It means “head”…
“head”. Is that code?
The majority don’t even admit that Clinton, his economic team, and the Gramms were responsible for the legislation that deregulated the financial disservices industry. They place the blame for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the enactment of the Commodities Futures Modernization Act on Bush.
And the Telecommunications Act of 96 which concentrated the media
And Welfare Reform
And on and on….
Thanks. I figured, given your literary screen name, you’d know.
With voting producing such decidedly unimpressive results, who’s to say it would not be better to let the bastards overplay their hand? If every president for the past 30+ years has gotten progressively more despicable, what do we really have to gain by keeping a Democrat in the White House? What’s the plan there: to elect Democrats who will protect the status-quo to the presidency indefinitely for fear of anything worse? That ignores the fact that both Clinton and Obama have further advanced this appalling state of affairs and it is a laughably feeble strategy besides.
There’s also the small matter of America’s precipitous decline, which is only in its early stages at present. Virtually every major institution, public or private, in this country is either failing to serve the public good or crumbling altogether. Our entire economic paradigm incentivizes waste and is based on the ludicrous notion that economic growth can and should continue indefinitely in a world of finite resources. Our environmental woes are nearing the point of no easy return and we want to tie our fates to a system which fetishizes production for its own sake? All the power in our society is so concentrated and centralized that it is ludicrous to even imagine true democracy or transparency without fundamental, transformative change. Obama doesn’t even began to band-aid these problems, nevermind confront them head-on!
Now for the record, I think Romney would make a terrible president and if he got in he’d almost certainly be another one-termer. But if his greatest personal ambition is becoming president and keeping that office for a second term, then it is likely he would be forced to throw the commoners a bone or two. This doesn’t depend on him harboring any sort of compassion or human decency: it’d come down to simple self-preservation. Obama is too arrogant, detached and aloof to even come close to responding to public pressure. (Of course media pressure is another matter…)
Plus, and this part is key: Obama lied about his intentions when he got elected to the presidency. When Romney says he’s going to fuck ordinary Americans, he’s at least telling the truth! I can promise I will vote for neither of them but for that fact alone, I’d rather Willard win it in November.
Yes.
Awesome! LOL. BTW: Did you notice that Matt Stoller referenced the TBogg spat here a few days ago as an “awe-inspiring meltdown”.
I didnt notice that…
I was too busy noticing another writer here calling TBogg’s comments…
“Vile”… “condescending”… “snobish”… “ridiculous”… and “obnoxious”…
All appropriate descriptions of his comments. It’s not supprising that another Obamabot would attempt to rescue him.
With that said… TBogg is now again writing/representing/speaking for this site.
The time has arrived… this site has now exposed itself for what it really is.
Then why didn’t that same rationale apply to Dubya? How many bones did the commoners get from him?
And before you say “Medicare Part D”, I would counter that passing Medicare Part D unfunded was part of a plan to deliberately bankrupt Medicare as an excuse to later junk it. That’s pretty much what happened with Tennessee’s TennCare, in fact–a Republican governor removed all cost controls which resulted in bankrupting it. I believe this to be deliberate, it wasn’t just a case to trying to please the voters.
I’m saying that voting rights could become so restricted that they could in essence go away. There are a number of ways they could accomplish this. You could restrict not only registration, but also voting hours, so that most can’t make it to vote unless they have their employer’s approval (or being employers or the rich themselves). Also, there is no legal requirement for any secret ballot insofar as I know; in fact, it was only something enacted in the 1880s. Conservatives could simply go back to having voters request ballots for a specific candidate, which was once the norm for elections in the 19th century, so that employers could easily find out how their employees voted. And uh, vote for the wrong candidate–*fired!*, and in a terrible economy to boot.
Do you really want to casually blow off voting rights with a “let the bastards overplay their hand” comment? Because without voting, and witnessing the repression against Occupy, then the only mechanism for change becomes very ugly and destructive. It’s violence.
The US is heading towards fascism, I believe. One party is already well on its way to being fascist. Fascism is not a pleasant thing to experience. While I’m not voting for Obama myself (though I can say I live in a state where it doesn’t matter) I think the argument that Republican control would be better, or at least not any worse, is disingenuous. Republican control has always resulted in worse consequences for the past 40 years, no matter how “moderate” the top of the ticket seemed to be beforehand, so I don’t expect that to change.
If you think that things getting worse will somehow result in things getting better (sans possibly being able to vote the bastards out, mind you!) then I’m willing to hear your argument. Else it’s just whistling past the graveyard. However, just seeing what has happened at the state level the past 2 years, it seems clear that will be a taste of what you’ll see nationally. And if we do become a de facto fascist state, let me remind everyone that Franco’s regime lasted almost 40 years.
-stewartm
> Thanks. I figured, given your literary screen name, you’d know.
I do know. “Head” is not dirty at all. Except when I do it, of course.
> BTW: Did you notice that Matt Stoller referenced the TBogg spat
No. The google, it gives me no love on this. :(
OK – now we are into my world of finance – and saying Clinton was responsible for the actions of the investment banks and hedge funds – who were never regulated by G-S and which only Greenspan at the Fed could regulate, is a bit of make believe. Likewise the the year 2000 Commodities Futures Modernization Act passing needed reform – while refusing to include ENRON protection and worse excluding derivative controls because the Fed/Greenspan said that was the way to go and the GOP Congress bought that crap – is not a gold star for Clinton – but the modernization was needed – and the other crap was just no change in the status quo.
Greenspan pushed the hedge funds and investment banks into mortgages in the mid-90′s and soon the deposit banks were no longer our main source of mortgages. History blames Bush (and Clinton) for Reagan’s Greenspan never being fired, and blames Bush’s never regulate idea for SEC non-action and his administration being OK with liar loans – and blames Bush for not going after derivatives after the change in 2001 when the rating agencies began to rate crap “C” loans as super safe “AAA” because there was a diversity of geographic locations in the securities made from those loans.
stewartm is correct, in my opinion, on most things – just not the Clintons (like Hillary is pushing the overthrow of what good guys?), or the value of re-electing Obama.
96 Telecommunications Act, needed to get us into the digital age with some IP rights intact, allowed mergers that were occurring anyway via waivers – same as to spying – so what event – what new bad event – happened post passage (note that I was against it because it speeded up the process of the local media monopoly forming and should have been more gentle on IP and less gentle on spying – but in the end it was rich guys playing monopoly in a world where Congress refused to put up speed limits). Welfare reform – well I have relatives that lived much of their life on welfare because they got lazy – not because of kids or disability. The welfare reform was veto’d multiply times by Clinton until major concessions to Bill Clinton were made and there were enough Dem votes to make it veto proof. What Obama veto can you recall?
Romney a Keynesian? Dems won’t save soc. Sec.?
What kind of weed have you folks been smoking?
Republicans throw a lot of mud at Obama to see what sticks and they throw around a lot of crazy ideas to see what can be accepted by the electorate. It’s all nonsense. We’ve seen the Republicans in action for decades and it’s always the same defense spending, tax cuts for the rich and bad economies.
It has already been shown Romney will say anything and then flip-flop the next day if it might benefit him. I can’t imagine anyone finding something in him to believe. He’s just another vacuous rich dude like Dubya.
It was in the comments to a post Stoller wrote yesterday I believe. Can’t remember the title, but it had to do with the NYT Obama as drone killer decider. You can prolly find it easily enough at NakedCapitalism.
Funny, I don’t recall Bush passing single payer or reinstating Eisenhower-era tax rates. Do you?
Funny. Obama has the largest Dem majorities in almost 40 years in the House and Senate and I don’t recall even so much as allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, much less raising the income tax rates to Eisenhower levels or getting single payer. Your response is an O-pologist joke.
More and more I look at the awful Bush economic policies and see them embraced and continued (rhetorical bromides to the contrary notwithstanding) by President Barack “I’m a big believer in markets” Obama.
“Hey, dude. You think you’ve got us safely locked up. You don’t — hint, hint.”
Are you saying that you aren’t “locked up”? Sorry, but all this “Hey, I might not vote for you, and this time I really mean it…oh no! Mittens!” is played out. Obama will abuse you because he knows that you will take it. That’s the Democratic Party of today: Punch the base in the face and watch ‘em come back for more.
I prefer to get my information in.re. finance and the circumstances surrounding the foundation for the current economic disaster from more objective sources than someone, like yourself, who displays such slavish devotion to the Clintons. Thanks anyway.