Greetings from lovely Providence! I’m here at the 7th annual Netroots Nation gathering, and the mood so far is, I would say, anxious. I had one participant come up to me and say, “We should cancel all the panels and hold a three-day plenary session called ‘What the hell should we do now?’” To be clear, this isn’t just about Wisconsin but the general sense of neutered progressive power, particularly on issues of economic justice. The first panel of the day, on fighting the big banks, was sufficiently angry. And nobody had any good words for Eric Schneiderman’s appearance tonight as keynote speaker. Matt Browner-Hamlin of Occupy Our Homes noted that reporters like Abigail Field (who filled in here last month) have done more investigation of the banks than the New York Attorney General’s office. Max Berger of Occupy Wall Street was slightly more charitable, saying that Schneiderman is “a good guy who doesn’t want to admit he’s been played.” Given his appearance introducing the President this week at a big fundraiser in New York City, I’d say he’s happy to be played.
There’s a decent amount of energy here about breaking up the banks, and about making linkages to the emerging coalition on the right interested in that same end goal. I think there’s some recognition that you have to write off politicians on this score and build power on the outside and work in, rather than the other way around.
OK, will check back later. Blaming spelling mistakes on the auto-correct function on the iPad.




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Whomever suggested the confernece on What The Hell should we do now should be promoted. I think he’s right.
Is Eric going to take questions? I bet not. And I bet he’s pretty scarce except while he’s speaking.
Boxturtle (I’d outright ask him what the quid pro quo was for him backing off on the banks)
It’s time for public shaming . Everyone should stand with their back to eric the sellout and his bank fraud fraud.
Be polite and clap it will accomplish alot more/s
I saw this tweet earlier. Loved it then, love it now.
If a Schneiderman bleats partisan rhetoric at a Netroots Nation keynote event and nobody attends to hear him, does he make a sound?
I wonder if the Obots will protect Eric from that sort of demonstration. After all, he’s only doing their masters bidding.
Eric, do you feel your recent lack of action on Forclosure fraud has hurt your reputation?
Boxturtle (probable response: Change the subject)
Is this gathering relevant anymore?
Who chose schneiderman? and why?
Public shaming. It is the first time I’ve laughed since the Wisconsin recall debacle.
To answer your 6, if they chose Schneiderman they are now irrelevant, IMO.
Because , being the Attorney General for New york state where the mortgage fraud was birthed, he has perp walked to shame hundreds of banksters to right this grievous wrong./S
Is he being paid to cheerlead for o ?
We’ll see. If it ends with a massive GOTV hurrah for Obama, then I think it’s time has passed. if it ends with a massive indictment of Obama’s actions or lack thereof, then I’d say they’re just hitting their stride.
I’m betting something closer to the former than the latter.
Boxturtle (I didn’t go because I was worried about Drones)
This conference ceased to be relevant when Markos censored critics of Obama on DKos. I can’t imagine he’ll allow freedom of speech to prevail in Providence.
“…You have to write off politicians on this score…”
I don’t know how we’ll do it without them, or at least, without some different ones. And the only thing that’s going to give us that is something along the lines of 1929.
Put it like this: exhorting each other to do more, give more money, etc., when the president whom we busted ass for in 20008, and to whom most of us sent money, is pissing us right down the “centrist” urinal, is making less and less sense with every passing sellout.
Markos may find that Firebaggers are more difficult to silence without his administrator powers from DKos.
Boxturtle (Occupy Shout Out, anyone?)
On the contrary, comrade, it’s making more and more sense … for compradors.
I wish the Firebaggers well – from the pics posted on dkos – the kossacks in attendance are 99% bot. I suspect there will be many singing the YayObama cheer. I’m hoping DDay and company can interject a bit of reality before it becomes just a pep rally.
Totally agree, Kris…
Parsing minutiae is bullishit at this point, as is ranting about how bad are the republicans. The republicans didn’t get us to this point; that goes on Barack Obama’s bar tab. All the goopers have done is take advantage of a leadership vacuum the size of the Grand Canyon.
That Obama came in with expectations of them helping him mount the salvage operation that we so desperately needed (Was it that, or was the rehab program he did on them part of the deal? ) was political idiocy. We had our foot on their necks and all he had to do was grind a little bit. Instead, he let them up and they’ve gone from being the assholes who nearly ruined the country, to being the “loyal opposition”, entitled to consideration as a viable alternative to Obama’s “socialism”.
After that huge and much-needed turn to the left in 2008, he quickly set about repairing the damage to the corporatist status quo, and lo and behold, we are now completely on the defensive, with a president who, as we saw in Wisconsin, won’t risk one ounce of his dwindling political capital to help the progressive agenda.
Any plan or philosophy that includes another 4 years of Barack Obama is out of the same political lunacy barrel that we’ve had for the past three and a half years.
Anyone doing a round-up of data on the undervote for Obama across the country? In NM it was over 13%. Almost a quarter million in CA did not vote for him, I hear. I hope a few quick visits to the SoS sites where primaries were held on Tuesday will be telling.
I don’t think that making common cause with the tea-partiers who (ostensibly) want to put the banksters on a shorter leash will work. The only way to do that is by increasing GOVERNMENT oversight and by getting some financier CEO’s eating off of metal trays in Atlanta, and that, I don’t think is on their agenda.
I’ve decided to completely separate myself from National Electoral politics (aside from voting in November, which will be for a 3rd party) and focus solely on the most local levels.
I really feel that if each of us took our passion, knowledge, and energy and focused on local politics at the city and county levels that would could become magnets for change.
Firebaggers are well-informed, well-spoken, intelligent, passionate progressives with great ideas and good hearts. We need to expose ourselves to the members of our community and create a rallying point.
This is how we can begin to shift the ideology of the electorate, starting from the bottom and working toward the top.
We all have hot-button local political issues. If we firebaggers were to go out from here, en masse, and wade into the community issues with all the intensity and knowledge that we employ here we could really change things.
Ya know, IMHO.
I think he’s in a world of political hurt. I say again, about all Romney has to do is not make some incredible gaffe(s) and keep pitching the standard Reagan bullshit.
The republicans were able to make the mid-terms about Obama; this time it will be even easier.
“Occupy Shout Out, anyone?”
:o) :o) :o)
Box, you’re a baaaad man. :o)
This too can work at the local level. Imagine local things you can do to affect change on the banks. Occupy Austin and Occupy Buffalo have been successful in pushing their respective cities to move their money from big banks.
Austin moved from BofA to Chase, and the Occupiers are now working on getting them to pull that money from Chase :) But it’s progress. It taught BofA a small lesson.
Imagine what is possible if the hundred or so regular commenters here take a ‘move your money’ campaign to their respective home towns. Billions of dollars could be shifted out of the big banks overnight.
Again – I think that we will be most effective at the local level. Even if we can’t force national change we can still have a positive effect on our own living environments.
WTDN?
I’d start with chastising the media. Dan R. nailed it the other day. The tentacles of corporate influence in the media have gutted local investigative journalism/reporting. We get corporate yellow ribbons! Yeh!
No press is free. The press is controlled as is the agent of change, our government, by big money. The press has become the vanguard of corporate mantras for goods and services which no longer provide value to the consumer or the republic, while squashing competition via advertisements which brainwash? Like a Super PAC Infomercial?
No wonder why political parties, corporations and government are always seeking ways to limit choice and competition, when voting, in the market and now the internet? It starts first with the free flow of ideas and information. That very thought represents a threat to the powerful. Da Vinci placed house arrest for his brain?
Go after the coward ass press, silent like them Germans. Tell them they will be replaced if they do not do their job. Yes, the “Blog sphere” will replace the corporate print and traditional media outlets abdicated roll as “virus killer,” in an alleged free society? Newspaper readership is declining and to hell with scumcast et. als. Give kudos, support and protection to those who have the guts to stand up and speak truth, while surrounded by a whole lot of stupid!
Dan Rather is correct. He understands what dirt bags do to human beings who speak truth. He understands what is at stake here, as do many, here. Stellar weekend shaping up for the Ocean State! Enjoy! BTW…. Silence is cancer!
Good of Markos to bring a box of bandaids to the WTF-do-we-do-now conclave…when the DEMOCRATIC preznint of the U.S. is slicing the progressive agenda to pieces and feeding it to the republicans.
I get the extreme disappointment in Obama, I share a lot of it.
Help me understand how Romney would be better. Because, like it or not, one of those two guys are gonna be the next president.
You have to measure what you think Romney will do vs. what you know Obama has done.
My question is How could Romney be any worse?
“chastising the media”
How are we going to do that? Write letters? Post on liberal blogs.?
My point is, that we have the worst of political situations: a president who clearly is more concerned with protecting the corporate status quo than anything else, who is a democrat, who ran as a progressive agent of change, and then turned out to be a country club republican.
Now, that we’re seeing the ongoing failures of BushCo-lite, the bitter irony of having the republicans successfully hammer his sellout as evidence of how “liberal” policies don’t work, while he does practically nothing to counter their defining of him, is nauseating.
To me this is no longer about who would be better or worse. It’s about my personal integrity. I simply cannot vote for Obama because he is not the person he told us he was. He is destroying my country and has already, IMO, destroyed the Democratic Party. I have to live with ME every day and I can’t sell out myself.
Oh, criticism of Obama still definitely happens. That’s what Dan Choi was doing during his panel last year, which also featured our own Jane Hamsher, the #1 chief hate object of the 2008 Obama primary backers’ crowd that nearly took over DKos to the point where they actually tried to force off Meteor Blades and even Markos himself.
Did you attend the Book Salon with Gar Alperovitz and his book America Beyond Capitalism? He points out that even as people are having tsuris over the headline-grabbing issues of the day, various unheralded things are pushing progressivism forward.
I get the snark in that question, but you just can’t be serious.
Romney is a horror show waiting to happen. Just his position on taxes alone would be devastating to the economy. Do you think the LGBT community would be better off? And for all the non-love Obama gets re: his SCOTUS appointments, would you rather have Bork or Sotomayor & Kagan.
I have to state again my shared disappointment with Obama, but when it comes down to him or Romney, it’s just not close.
I respect and understand your position totally. I just can’t accept the view that Romney wouldn’t be a far worse choice as POTUS.
I keep thinking of how Nader actually wanted Bush to win in 2000, because he knew full well that Bush was worse than Gore and would thus (he hoped) spur people to rebel and then let guys like Nader lead them into the new workers’ paradise.
Didn’t exactly happen that way, did it? Just as it didn’t happen when Teddy Kennedy’s ill-advised, spite-driven primary fight against Jimmy Carter ripped the Democrats into bleeding, resentful shreds, which set up Reagan’s win; a number of progressives thought that Reagan would be so obnoxious he’d get the common folks to revolt. Nope, instead he was allowed to slash taxes on the rich and corporate America. Woohoooo!
I agree that Mitt will be worse and it’s scary but maybe it’s time for us to just pull the plug on this idea that we have to vote for the one who’s just a teeny bit better. Maybe it time to pull the whole Democratic Party down and start all over. I want to scare the “electeds” so badly that they either get with the program or leave town. Fed up.
My suggestion: Find a clear, concise narrative that can be widely circulated and that will quickly stick in peoples’ minds. The wingnuts are very good at this, and even people who are diametrically opposed to their extremist positions can articulate their message(s), whereas the same voters cannot articulate any message to represent the other side. This is a very big Fn problem.
Here is an idea. Carry signs calling ABC CBS NBC FOX CNN MSNBC, SILENT GERMANS… Then get your head caved in by police for expressing your political opinion and having the balls to stand up for whats right?
I do recall how a young man “shamed,” ignorant racist segregationists at a luncheon counter. That man is a US Congressman who understand this fight, civil war, this quest for legal protection, where specific members of the US Senate still thinks its OK to discriminate against woman in terms of pay for doing maybe better work than her male counterpart in the year 2012. These folks are vile fuckheads and should go the way of the slave owner; Extinct!
Yes writes tons of letters calling the print media nurtured dogs, sitting pretty, with tail wagging, waiting for that bone….
Re – Economy/taxes – The economy is already squarely fucked. Europe is collapsing, the TBTF banks here are going to need another bailout any day. People are starving, losing their homes, we have massive unemployment… The economy is already in horrible shape!
Re – LGBTQ community – how are they any better under Obama?
Re – SCOTUS – How have Sotomayor and Kagan positively effected anything?
What I hear from you is simply fear. You’re afraid of the big bad Republican.
I think we can all agree that things need to get worse before they get better. Things need to get worse for more people to wake up to reality and get on board with major changes.
Things will get worse faster under Romney, sure. I see Obama as a slower march to the same death, that’s all. If we want change we need a polarizing figure to oppose. Obama has completely divided the left in this country. Romney could polarize it again.
Or I could just be full of shit. Ask TBogg.
STTP, thanks for the post and for the invite.
Here’s your help:
When he came into office with that landslide mandate, and big margins in both houses of congress, Obama inherited an either/or situation. Either he quickly pushed for the real change that people expected (and the expectation was fair and justified…) and when the republicans tried to block it, INSTANTLY confronted them with all of the political power that he still had, or they would turn the thing around and eat him alive.
Instead of confronting them, he rolled over like that trained poodle, and they have eaten him alive. And, I use the past tense on purpose. I think it’s a done deal. I think that he’s not worried about re-taking the House, or losing the Senate. That would give him even more of an excuse for another four years of rightward drift.
Now: The republican policies were clear failures. They had everything going their way, and in Bush’s 8 years, they succeeded at pushing more of the Reagan warbot policies and more of the same corporatist agenda. Unspinnably, it didn’t work, and that was the main reason that a relatively unknown black man beat Hillary Clinton, with her “triangulating”, and then doubled John McCain’s electoral vote.
But bandaids don’t work when you’re bleeding the death of a thousand Randian cuts; you have to have someone who will remind people what he was elected to do, and then will bite, scratch, and claw, to effect the change that would have begun the salvage operation. Nothing else will work. Another 4 years of this tepid, do-nothing president, will just have us deeper in the political shithouse.
Now, it’s going to take a collapse; something along the lines of 1929. And I think that will happen within the next 4 years regardless of who’s president. I welcome it. Nothing wakes people up like economic disaster; we just didn’t have enough of it back in 2008. But I want there to be a republican in office when it happens, not a democrat whom the republicans have successfully painted as a “liberal”.
So, speaking of bandaids, it’s time to peel one off the old hairy leg. It’ll be painful, but I don’t think we have an option, at this point.
Anyone who DOES think that we need Obama, because he sucks less, needs to tell us how he’s going to change things in a second term. I don’t think he can. I don’t even think he wants to. The man has no fight in him, and now, I’m thinking it’s because he just doesn’t believe that the ongoing corporate takeover of the country is a bad thing.
Shorter me: Because Obama has been some combination of an incredibly incompetent politician/corporatist sellout it’s going to have to get worse before it gets better. Because semi-progressive campaign kabuki will change nothing, I think it IS going to get worse, and I want a republican in office to reap those political benefits.
I think it’s too late for anything else, at this point, but I’ll sure listen and debate with, anyone who thinks that a re-elected Barack Obama is going to have either the desire or the political tools to effect real change.
One last thing: if Obama loses, it will be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest reversal of political fortunes in our history. It will shout these words:
If you run as a reform democrat/progressive; win big, and then govern as a republican-lite, your feckless ass will be fired at the earliest opportunity.
At this point, that may be Obama’s greatest value to us.
Two questions:
1) How much are participants paying to attend speeches by high-end, corrupt Democrats (I know… corrupt and Democrat are redundant) these days? I would be pissed if I paid for airfare, hotel and registration only to be regaled with pure, unadulterated bullshit.
2) For the NN organizers: Why even bother with the pretense of being “progressive” anymore? Why not just rename Netroots Nation as FAIL-CON instead?
Well said. I think you are right about the quick plunge or the slow death. Let’s get it over with and then the change will come. Our country is paying a huge price for the last two administrations and we need to stop it now.
What I try to tell myself on a daily basis is:
How would McCain have been worse?
We would have had the Palins. . .I think that’s about it.
“How have Sotomayor and Kagan positively affected anything?”
Totally non-sexual man-hug. :o)
Kagan recused herself from a bunch of the earliest cases on the docket, because of her stint as Solicitor General. I don’t know if she’s still doing it, but you have to ask of Obama:
“Did you know she’d do that, and if so, why did you nominate her?”
I don’t know what Sotomayor’s been doing, but given the 5-4 conservative majority, I’d guess, not much.
I don’t like the idea of Willard having the SCOTUS appointments to make, but, upfront, I think it’s more important to have a repub in office presiding, when the shit really hits the fan, as I’m sure it will.
Let me say this: I think Obama’s healthcare reform; his “jewel in the crown”, is nothing but another corporatist turd in the progressive punchbowl. Tbogg and Kos and Digby may like the flavor, but I don’t. I will be delighted if the conservative court shoots down the whole damn thing.
Did I mention:
that I think in this day and time, healthcare is a right, not a privilege?
that I think it should be free, or nearly free, to all americans, instead of having obscene amounts of money made off of sickness and ageing.
That when Obama had Reid kill the Dorgan amendment, he lost me, irretrievably.
That, when he had Pelosi kill that move by some House dems to strip the health insurance robber barons of their exemption from antitrust laws, at the same time of all the media talk about how badly Obama needed a legislative “win”, I laughed the bitter laugh of utter, complete, betrayal.
It aint rocket science: If we reward Obama with another four years, instead of politically punishing him for his sellout, then we’ll deserve anything we get. And, as Rahm Emmanuel called us, we will be “fucking retards”.
No, what you hear from me are facts. But you should be afraid, very afraid, of a Romney presidency as well. Since I’m at work, I can’t counterpoint all you write, but let’s just take your view of the economy.
And why is it that way? Republicans. We can agree that Obama hasn’t done enough to fix it, but we are where we are because of the GOP. Four more years of tax cuts and trickle down won’t make anything better. And why is “Europe collapsing”? (I don’t agree btw, they obviously have problems, but ‘collapsing’ is sensationalism) Because of just the type of economic policies Mittens supports- the austerity fairy. If you think things are bad now, wait until taxes get cut further and social programs are gutted.
You mean the Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Iran guy?
Him?
“We would have had the Palin’s…I think that’s about it.”
True, and Jesus, what an indictment…and not of the Palin’s, but of Obama.
Time to stand up, stop being cowards…!
Liberal/progressives… need to stand up to those FRAUDULENTLY claiming to speak for us… when in fact they are betraying us.
It is happening at virtually every level. Fake politicians, fake “journalists”, fake “bloggers”… all stabbing us in the back, betraying us, using us, playing us… nonstop.
The sole purpose of these sleazy creeps is to shill for and pimp for corrupt politicians. Their loyalty is to crooked politicians and their schemes to get elected no matter what the cost.
So what does netroots do..? They hire this Schneiderman Judas, Pimp for Crooked Politicians… as a keynote speaker.
STOP BEING COWARDS… STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN… CONFRONT THIS JUDAS PIMP.
On Tuesday I didn’t vote for Obama and I didn’t vote for Feinstein. I’m 78 and have voted for nothing but Dems my entire life. Obama has shocked me more than I ever thought possible. I can’t believe what he has done.
So Bork (or Bork wannabes) would be better?
No room or time to grow into a lifetime appointment?
And, to be blatantly sexist, I trust women in positions of power far more than men to try to do the
rightcorrect thing.Re: your points on healthcare, (which I wholeheartedly agree with, btw) how would the GOP make any of that better?
“We are where we are because of the GOP.”
That is abject nonsense. Barack Obama came in with the biggest REAL mandate for REAL change since Franklin Roosevelt. Every time they threatened a filibuster, Obama should have, for example, run a healthcare reform bill up to the hill with real teeth in it, preferably, single-payer, but at the least, a real public option. If they filibustered, then run it up again, and GET his ass into the pulpit and remind the voters that he was trying to do what he said he would. They were still slathered with bushCo shit, and all he had to do was remind the voters of it.
They would have folded like a house of cards and he would have been Captain America.
No big republican shellacking in the mid-terms…
No warbots successfully demanding another decade (at least) of pissing away blood and money in Afghanistan…
No John Boehner farting in his face…
The list of what could have been, is nearly endless.
Instead, we have the republicans miraculously out of the political shithouse and now being able to define the political culture and debate, while Obama hides under his damn desk.
He crawled there voluntarily.
“…because of just the type of economic policies Mittens supports…”
Are you saying that Obama has opposed them?
Enquiring admirers of “facts” would like to know.
everything we currently see is an illusion
we don’t really have a govt anymore
for example, how many Dead US Soldiers have we seen?, yes we know our Soldiers are being killed but these pictures are never shown to the masses
however? the army has these great commercials showing us how they will make our kids Army Strong, they never mention they may die as kids
After the 1960′s the Corporations and Military took complete control of the US
Govt.
what media? really? MSNBC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, are all the same, they are marketing firms for the corporations
politicians? dems and reps all have the same masters, the 1% “We should make Dems and Reps dress like NASCAR drivers so we will know who their masters are by their numerous corporate logos
right wing journalist make bin laden look like a saint! Malcolm Gladwell the mouth piece of Big Tobacco, promotes the death of millions of americans daily!
when future generations look back this time in USA history, they are going to call us all INSANE, CRAZY, STUPID, etc.
want to end wars, START the DRAFT! ask Romney, Rush, Cheney, chicken hawks like letting others go die, so that they enjoy the good life.
I agree, I am just waiting for the BIG COLLAPSE, this will force change
They won’t make it any better.
And neither will Obama.
And he came in with a mandate and the tools, to make it better, and he’s surrendered both, for political pennies on the dollar.
At this point, the damage that another four years of Barack Obama will do to a progressive agenda, will be lot worse than a couple of Supreme Court peckerheads.
Let me simpify:
Neither republican-lite, nor republican, will turn things around. We are too far down the corporate turnpike.
I ask you again, how you think Obama can make substantive changes in a second term?
Which brings me to this bottom line; if, instead of ignoring the question, you keep coming back to:
“Obama sucks less.”
Then I’ll just remind you of how well that strategy worked for the mid-terms.
It coulda been a scream when you consider how dysfunctional Sarah and her family are.
He coulda been a progressive contender, writ large in the history books, instead of a chump. That’s on him.
Please Wake Up! Please Wake Up
who supported Obama?
who supported McCain?
if the same people support Dems and Reps, one should realize that they have the same Masters
Matt Taibbi put the list below together
Obama’s top 20 list included:
Goldman Sachs ($1,013,091)
JPMorgan Chase & Co ($808,799)
Citigroup Inc ($736,771)
WilmerHale LLP ($550,668)
Skadden, Arps et al ($543,539)
UBS AG ($532,674), and…
Morgan Stanley ($512,232).
McCain’s list, meanwhile, included (drum roll please):
JPMorgan Chase & Co ($343,505)
Citigroup Inc ($338,202)
Morgan Stanley ($271,902)
Goldman Sachs ($240,295)
UBS AG ($187,493)
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher ($160,346)
Greenberg Traurig LLP ($147,437), and…
Lehman Brothers ($126,557).
Obama’s list included all the major banks and bailout recipients, plus a smattering of high-dollar defense lawyers from firms like WilmerHale and Skadden Arps who make their money representing those same banks. McCain’s list included exactly the same banks and a similar list of law firms, the minor difference being that it was Gibson Dunn instead of WilmerHale, etc.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/iowa-the-meaningless-sideshow-begins-20120103#ixzz1icl0E0pm
I had forgotten all about Netroots Nation. Has Obama given a taped speech yet? Or is that far too risky to do that much? Whatever man, national politics are dead. Corporations won, the people lost. Everything else is wasted effort.
It is over.
David,
I wasn’t trying to make an apples to apples comparison of Abigail’s investigation into NY county recorders’ records of securitization fail & robosigning, but that we haven’t seen the RMBS task force deliver the results that we had hoped, with Schneiderman & the NY AG’s office at its head. Abigail’s work was on NY & the question was re: Schneiderman & the task force. I’m obviously frustrated with the lack of handcuffs and the lack of visible progress from the task force. I don’t think the point I was trying to make came out well… We desperately need to see action – subpoenas, arrests, trials and big punishment. Only when we know that bankers are at risk of going to jail for stealing peoples’ homes can we expect them to stop.
Matt BH
… Can’t wait for the lame duck session where all the sell out Congressmen in conjunction with the President ensure their legacy and all the countless millions they will make as consultants and orators in the years to come as they each decide to not run for another term.
Barrack Obama SWORE to uphold the constitution PERIOD.
He knew bush and the sickos loved to torture and they did.
Under the Convention Against Torture it was his SWORN DUTY to arrest dick and george the day he was SWORN in.
You get it, he’s either a coward or a KARL ROVE implant , take your pick.
He’s also an outright LIAR in case you miss my point.
How would McCain have been worse? read below
Obama speech to the Tea Party,
all the statements below are TRUE
I Obama endorse the Bush agenda of spying on and killing americans
I Obama will attacks Unions
I Obama will double downs on Bush Wars
I Obama will attack Teacher Unions, I hate public education
I Obama will always worship WALL STREET, let the Bails out begin
I Obama will fight to pass the Bob Dole Health Care Bill
I Obama will kill the Public Option
I Obama will kill Drug Importation
I Obama will APPOINT an insurance executive to manage ROMNEY CARE/OBAMACARE
I Obama will not APPOINT progressives like Dawn Johnsen and Elizabeth Warren, I will used them as part of my KABUKI CHESS GAME! Now you see them, Now you don’t
I Obama will hand pick the cat food commission to destroy Social Security
I Obama support phony dems like Blanche Lincoln,Bean, Ben Nelson they are like me, trojan horses
I Obama will keep Guantanomo open for business
I Obama will renew the Patriot Act
I Obama will continue the renditions
I Obama will re-appoint Bernanke
I Obama will support ideas that send more USA jobs off shore
I Obama will target Americans for assassination
who needs SARAH PALIN, when you got Old Obama?
If I had a dollar for every…
“Obama SHOULD have done this”… “Obama SHOULD have done that”… comment…
I would be the richest person on earth.
Obama DIDNT do those things… period.
Stop whining [definition: To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint. 2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion] and complaining. Stand up for what you claim to believe in…!
Hmmm…
Pretty sure Glass-Steagall was repealed under Clinton…
Facts.
Again, you’re preaching fear of the Big Bad Boogeyman Republicans.
Have you not seen the Obama administration recently touting their decreased spending numbers? And I distinctly recall getting a stimulus check from George W. Bush’s IRS… Haven’t gotten one from Obama… Where was the austerity in that?
Facts.
I love that the SCOTUS argument is the best ammunition that Obama supporters have.
There’s this hope that things will change if Obama appoints another neo-liberal pushover to the bench.
So tired of hearing that when listening to Thom Hartman. Oh that’s right, stopped listening to him months ago.
One of the best comments I have ever read here.
I too have a broken heart… and a betrayed heart…
And I have no intentions of letting that happen again.
Bravo… Twain.
Substance… truth…
Thanks… KrisAinTX
How weak is that shit? The best someone has to offer me in support of giving someone executive power for 4 years is “he’s probably going to get to nominate 2 judges to the SCOTUS bench”.
What an indictment of the past 3.5 years.
“KARL ROVE implant” = boob
KrisA @65 I’ve ssn it pretty accurately spelled Osterity
like a classic abused spouse keeps HOPE(tm)ing for a better outcome.
At least he came by the nickname dishonestly :)
can spell it disOnestly from now on too!
Support of Obama seems to be wholly motivated by fear that Romney would be worse.
Pathetic. You’re right – like the abused spouse who doesn’t want to stay but is afraid to be alone, afraid they can’t make it on their own.
My argument? My core argument? I won’t vote for Obama because he’s a vile fucking murderer who hosts Terror Tuesday parties and sentences people to death with Power Point presentations.
Fuck yes, Romney will be worse. At least he hasn’t slaughtered anyone.
I won’t vote for a war criminal. I won’t give a murderer the office of the Presidency. If the next guy comes in and does the same, I won’t ever vote for him again either.
We have to draw a line somewhere. Sheesh.
Once again, I agree with much of what you say, but you conveniently skip over what I said before the line you chose to highlight, the part where I said “We can agree that Obama hasn’t done enough to fix it…”
Someone smarter and probably better looking than me once said something along the lines of “I’d rather die standing than live on my knees.”
That’s how I feel about this election. Both of them are shit. I’ll at least make a principled stand against the shit we know. Punish him for his crimes; kick his ass out.
I mean, come on. Isn’t it true that he’s offered up a jobs bill that the GOP has ignored precisely because it may reduce unemployment, or have I missed something?
Pretty much all the background stuff we agree on; GOP is bad, Obama should have done much more with what he was given.
So let’s move away from how horrible a second Obama term will be, and move on to how a Romney presidency would be better.
Until the money gets scaled way back in politics, you are most unfortunately correct.
Wisconsin sealed the deal.
What does any of that have to do with my post at 50?
And furthermore, where have I disagreed with anything in your post?
Yes… apparently you missed the last 4 years.
“It is over.”
No it’s not loser… it’s just beginning.
It is just beginning and when the Supremes kick the crap out of Obama health “insurance”, his signature legislation will be gone and I don’t think he can run on Lily Ledbetter. In fact I can’t imagine what he has to run on.
Unfortunately… I dont think thats going to happen.
The 1% desperately want Obamacare… so they will get it.
The whole thing is a shining example of the corruptoin of our entire government and judiciary.
Not making any predictions… hope I’m wrong.
It was, and I’ve never stated otherwise. He rightfully shares blame with the GOP ass hats (Gramm in particular) that pushed it through congress.
Now that you got your snark off, could you answer the question?
And… I know you know this already…
The whole “social issues” scam has been played by the two corrupt parties FOREVER.
The scam is to give their brainwashed supporters a “token” on social issues thereby continuing the enslavement of their brainwashed followers. Both parties do it.
Meanwhile… the two parties are working together behind closed doors to loot the country.
I agree with you, tanbark, but you neglected one important fact:
In addition to “doing nothing,” Obama has stifled, squashed, threatened, beaten down and intimidated the forces that wanted to do any good.
Getting him off the backs and necks of those who want to work for change will be a BIG improvement, and will remove the stain on the idea of “what the Democrats stand for.”
The executive holds veto power…
The ultimate responsibility lies with him…
I love how you chastised other commenters above for cherry-picking parts of your comments to respond to, then refused to respond to my comment point by point, then cherry-picked my response to another one of your comments.
If you want to have a serious discussion let me know. I’m not here to play political tug of war with a rope made of lies.
it’s a pretty big stain though, as the dems in congress has gone along with all O’s anti-people policies
Did you miss the part about me being at work?
And therefore don’t have the time to respond to each point?
And what exactly does a “rope made of lies” mean?
Mauimom…
“In addition to “doing nothing,” Obama has stifled, squashed, threatened, beaten down and intimidated the forces that wanted to do any good.”
Very… Very… important.
The betrayal by this guy is so complete… so far reaching… it’s easy to overlook the finer details sometimes.
Good insight.
Wow.
I caught the part where you were at work. If you can’t respond to peoples’ comments point by point then don’t chastise them for not doing the same. You don’t know if they are also at work and in the same position as you.
A ‘rope made of lies’ means we’re sitting here arguing ideology and you’re refusing to stick to facts. How am I supposed to argue points that have no basis in reality?
I’m done with this conversation, STTP. I wish you well, and I’m sure we’ll cross paths again on FDL. We’re both here every day :) Have a great work day.
Mahalo, Mom. :o)
He’s not just defending the status quo, he’s adding to the problems.
And, anyone who doesn’t think that his “coattails” were on display in Wisconsin 48 hours ago, is very mistaken…and they were on display without his ever setting foot in the state.
Can’t you read?
Republican-lite policies ( and sometimes, with Obama, not so light…) don’t work any better than republican policies. They won’t stave off the ransacking of the middle-class and poor people in this country. A collapse is coming. I want a republican in office when it happens, not a liberal democrat, even a bogus one.
Now, you need to tell us how you think Obama is going to make things better, if he’s re-elected.
(Just now, The crickets chirping are deafening. Can you do something about that? :o) )
Anyone who watched the RNC organizing convention after the 2008 election knows what real destitution looks like. The Republicans had been declared dead and the Democrats ascendant for at least a generation. There were only a handful of people in what looked like a high school gym, folding chairs and all, far more empty seats than filled. On stage, two incredible fools, Michael Steele and some white dope who wrote Barack the Magic Negro and sang it to Puff, the Magic Dragon. I don’t remember the guy’s name and if you do, don’t tell me, I don’t need to know.
None of the Republican powers attended. Not the state powers or the national powers. Nobody with any juice, at all, attended and nobody who could have legitimately stood for RNC chair would even admit to wanting the job. Which is why, of course, Michael Steele and whatshisname contended. I was flabbergasted. It was what-if-you-threw-a-convention-and-nobody-came reality. The Republicans were DEAD, baby, and that convention was the funeral.
But they weren’t. And here we are. Progressives should take note. They should also think hard about the politicians they support and the results those politicians produce. I’ll start: Tom Barrett wasn’t worth supporting and everybody on the picket lines should have turned around and gone off to their own organizing space when the WI Democratic Party and the big unions muscled in. Stop lending yourselves to people who don’t care about you. And start thinking about ways to squeeze the elected politicians you have to work with. Find ways to coerce them. DO NOT go home and sulk.
I want to join the TA Association that declined to endorse Barrett. Now there’s a group that has its collective head on straight.
The republicans were shitting green nickels after the 2008 election. People like George Will were moaning and gnashing their teeth and saying that it would take a decade for them to recover.
Little did they know that miraculous rehab was on the way, courtesy of the guy who’d just doubled John McCain’s electoral vote.
“…start thinking about ways to squeeze the elected politicians you have to work with.”
Great idea! I think we should start by letting the democratic “leadership” know that Barack Obama (and they) have about 5 months in which to figure out a way to fire up the troops. If they can’t do that (and it’s probably too late…) then there is practically zero chance of his winning another four years as jellyfish-in-chief.
Tanbark, there’s nothing our “illustrious” president can do to motivate me to vote for him again. If he actually did stuff (you know, the stuff he campaigned on), if he at least tried even if he didn’t succeed, that would be one thing. But he’s proven how cheap talk is and I don’t trust a word out of his mouth. Fool me once and all that.
As tiresome as it is to keep emailing and lettering and calling, a million points of ceaseless opinionating and criticizing has a cumulative effect. I’m taking a sort of vow to send out something at least a couple of times a week. So many possibilities, so little enthusiasm, but I’m going to keep that as my goal. Just dive into the grab bag, full to overflowing, and pick out a couple of names for targets. You have to let these cretins KNOW. Let’s see a few candids of the political class cowering under desks and looking terminally depressed.
Of ourse you can send something upbeat when they do right. Keep it simple, kick them in the slats when they err, praise them when they do right. If the Jon Corzine episode has taught anything, it’s that a lot of money and over the top ambition doesn’t mean superior intelligence. It means unprincipled.
THESE PEOPLE ARE YOUR REPRESENTATIVES. Regard them as the servant class they are. And no name calling, tempting as it is. It lowers the tone and makes your communication dismissible.
What the hell should we do now?
This is the rhetorical question facing the Net Roots community.
The progressive movement must back something that will change the political narrative and move the President to finally choose between main street and Wall Street. The idea must be simple and have a meaningful and effective message that will have broad appeal across the entire political spectrum. It must involve some action on the President’s part that will show that he has finally decided to act instead of compromising. Its effect must have an immediate positive and meaningful effect on the lives of all Americans. It must be independent from legislative action as none can reasonably be expected from this congress. It must address simultaneously, the problems of unemployment, economic growth, income inequality, the deficit, and the fiscal cliff confronting this country.
The convergence of political and economic events have lead this administration to a point where they must fish or cut bait. Given the news on fundraising and the amount of money that the right has raised in Wisconsin recall election, I am sure that the President is having one of those ‘Come to Jesus’ moments. With the current state of the presidential polls, his brain trust must be having a stroke and are currently open to any and all ideas that will move the needle.
The Net Roots community has a unique opportunity, at this juncture, to make a huge difference in the course of this nation, if it can coalesce support behind a single issue that would actually fulfill most of the criteria listed above, and move the entire progressive community to endorse it and push for its fulfillment.
I believe that there is such an issue that can fulfill the criteria set forth and it involves the President issuing an executive order to roll back the deregulation of the basic commodities markets.
Commodity speculation in just the oil market has cost this country over $30 billion dollars a month during 2012(through May 31st the est. stands at $170 Billion). This would surely double if the speculative effects in the other basic commodities such tin, copper, wheat, corn, soybeans, beef, rice, gasoline, diesel fuel, heating oil, jet fuel, and many others were taken into account. This acts as a tax on the economy by pushing up prices for everyone. Using an estimate of 313 million as the current population of the U.S. this tax is costing every man woman and child in the U.S. over $1000.00 per month just for oil speculation. Freeing the U.S. economy of this burden would pump more than $500 Billion into the economy every year. Economic activity would see an immediate uptick if $40 billion a month were available to consumers. Food would be cheaper for everyone. Every product or service in this country would become more affordable. People would again be able to find jobs. The housing market would improve as everyone will be better able to afford their homes. Tax revenues would rise. The deficit would suddenly be a smaller percentage of GDP and thereby be much less of an economic threat. Given positive economic news our dysfunctional congress might finally find a way to fix the fiscal cliff without wreaking the economy.
The President as head of the executive branch is responsible for executing the laws passed by congress. The congress passed the Dodd-Frank Act which expressly enjoins the CFTC to enact regulations to rid the commodities market of excessive speculation, and the CFTC has failed to act. It is not only the purview of the President it is his responsibility enforce the laws enacted by congress.
The President is an incrementalist and would not act unless there is broad support and a clear vision of where such action would lead. If the Netroots Nation community acts to persuade the progressive movement to back this issue, I believe that the majority of the nation would also have a favorable opinion backing the President’s action on commodities speculation. Imagine having the whole nation on the same side of an issue, not since apple pie. The only opposition I think that might materialize would be the extreme far right who believe that corporations might be hurt and its their mission to protect them and those on the extreme left that think that high gas prices are great to help reduce emissions regardless of the fact that they are impoverishing their fellow citizens and are helping to line the pockets of Wall Street speculators.
Some would say that such an action would go against the financial backers of the President and therefore he would not consider such a bold act. The President is rapidly becoming aware that while he got substantial support from the financial community it will pale in comparison to what is being assembled to defeat him. He has failed to really keep the base in the democratic party happy, he is in the process of losing the funding advantage that he enjoyed in the 2008 campaign, the economy is just sputtering along, Europe seems ready to self immolate, the independents’ support he enjoyed in the last race is wavering, unemployment is ticking up and the right just handed the democrats their heads in the Wisconsin recall election. All in all, he really needs to a make a big change if he intends to win the election. By taking this populist stand to clean up the commodities markets he can win the hearts and votes of many more millions than he could hope to persuade with a few more ads paid for by a few more million dollars in donations from the financial community. Actions do indeed speak louder than words.
Imagine what a call for donations might return if the President’s action to reduce the weekly gas bill of 208,000,000 drivers by $20.00. Asking for $5 or $10 donation from everyone to show support for the president who reduced their monthly fuel bill by $80 to $100 should be a real winner, even if only 25% responded with $5, that would amount to $250 million.
I have been pushing this idea for months and now if the liberal establishment will get behind it I think that it can really be a game changer. Details are at http://www.rbobgambit.org .
This will come to naught unless some in the liberal community choose to back it and push for its adoption.
LOL
Funny joke.
Another funny joke… two in a row.
Imagine that…
Two Obamabots… peddling their totally disredited bunk that no one falls for any more…
And their posts are one right after the other…
one thing that is missing from the comments for me is the inconvenient truth that when things get worse people are afraid, and when people are afraid things getting worse doesn’t necessarily lead to better outcomes. desparate people sometimes scapegoat other people — for instance, as happened in nazi germany. a number of comments suggested that things would get better, even if they had to get worse first, but i’m not sure we can count on that. something to consider, no?
Absolutely. South Africa’s self-mutilation is a terrible case in point.