ere flirting with allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire

david keeps making using this ridiculous statement when in fact those “tax cuts” expired a long long time ago

david is talking about the obama “tax cuts”

Democrats will talk about this. They will go back and say that they want the tax cuts on the rich to expire, period

That would mean letting all the tax cuts expire, remember, we’re talking about Bush Tax Cuts For The RICH!

those are obama cuts, bush’s expired

Norquist Drowning in His Own Bush Tax Cut-Sunsetting Bathtub

the power of positive thinking … i will tell once again how i deal with japanese beetles devouring my plants. I name them all “grover norquist”, and as i pluck them off my plants and fling them into a bucket of soapy water, i mutter, “drown, grover norquist, you little bastard!”

It doesn’t matter who we tax or at what rate if the money the Government collects is spent on Drone warfare and scanners at the airport and interest on unceasing and ever expanding debt. The USA has the largest amount of wealth of any country concentrated in the smallest amount of people. It is not a resource problem it is a distribution problem.

It is not a resource problem it is a distribution problem.

Exactly. I said this earlier. It’s not a money problem, it’s a distribution problem. There is more than enough money, it’s just in the wrong hands and being used for the wrong things.

That’s fine, but they’re the same rates, and they’ve been called Tax Cuts For The Rich for over 10 years. Let’s not put some arbitrary dividing line on them now. Either they’re Tax Cuts For The Rich and should all be eliminated, or someone (lots of someone’s) have been lying for a long time.

The Grand Bargain as laid out in the article by Lizza which David linked to, is a trade with the Rs for more revenue. In exchange for letting the tax cuts expire which the President could just let happen, the Ds want to make dramatic bipartisan flourishes and offer cuts to social programs. Cuts are not necessary but are ideologically driven by President Obama’s deficit delusion and his Reagan worshipping.

The whole ‘crisis’ is a fraud. They should just let the Obama tax cuts expire as planned.

Instead of rich folks and corporations stealing from deferred wages of working people in Social Security, medicare and medicaid, they should be confronted for even thinking of doing these things. Working people paid into Social Security and paid in FICA for Medicare and other programs. This insurance program is paid for in advance by workers. Social Security and other programs we pay for should be untouchable.

If the Democrats think we, the people, will vote for Obama full well knowing what his Plouffe and crew intend to do to social programs, they should think again.

More on topic – the Now-Obama Tax Cuts starve our government of much-needed revenue, forcing cuts which the current crop of corrupt Congresscritters will continue to force on the middle and lower classes. Cutting military spending is not an option; the new third rail of politics is the Pentagon budget. So we see cuts to SNAP, cuts to Medicaid funding, the threat of instability in SSI payments… Bring revenue back to where it was 12 years ago and we don’t have a fucking problem, as demonstrated by the massive surplus left behind by Clinton.

(tangential – isn’t it time to cut the Pentagon budget? With XBox-operated robots fighting our wars for us, do we really need all this standing Army and all those troop transports? Can’t have it both ways fuckers; if drones are cheaper scale back everything else.)

we need to expose the traitor in our midst, we need to show the guts in the trojan horse, we need to undress the wolf dressed as sheep

I think there are more of those I just can’t come up with them right now, feel free to contribute

the reason I need to make it clear these are obama’s cuts are to prove the point, obama is responsible for this lack of revenue not bush, he lobbied for his “tax cuts” which aren’t cuts at all but a redistribution of middle class assets to the wealthy

David. I can’t read beyond page one of Orzag’s false dilemma of another debt limit crisis. This is kabukicrats drama 365 days a year, 24/7. It makes me physically nauseous. How do you do it????

Meanwhile, what do we tell the thirty million unemployed adults?

“The Prez is just working so hard to find his commonality with every man, woman and child, that he just hasn’t thought about creating a government funded, government run, public works, education and arts jobs program. He’s just so busy.”/s

OBAMA TAX CUTS

Add…
OBAMA WARS
OBAMA TORTURE
OBAMA Bank CRISIS
OBAMA NUKE Power CRISIS/Environmental disaster waiting to happen
BUT stock market is up today so just chillax man

Grover speaks to the Tea Baggers there is no way any GOPer can expect Tea Bagger votes if the GOP agrees to a tax increase.
Mitt is not in office he can attack any tax increase the GOP agrees too and in order to keep Tea Bagger votes he will have too.
So if the Dems and Mitt are going to attack you just what Tea Bagger in office will have the guts to vote for more taxes before the election?

“The whole ‘crisis’ is a fraud.”; word up.

Do Republicans really need a sweetener to accept tax cuts?

No. But Team Obama clearly needs the appearance of a Grand Bargain to give Republicans what they already want.

Call them Obama’s no different than Bush’s tax cuts.

Norquist’s latest statement is not being directed to the Republicans, but Norquist is ‘targeting’ or talking to Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona via the public airwaves.

We conveniently forget that Kyl, in January of 2009, was “designated” as the “informal” Leader, not just of the Republicans, but of the Conservative Movement, and which means that the U.S.Chamber of Commerce will make the decision for all Republicans, House and Senate, even despite the best efforts of Mitch McConnell and much to McConnell’s chagrin. And today’s obvious view that Republicans are “obstructing” anything that Obama would advocate, was crafted as policy by the Chamber (read: Conservative movement) and since Kyl’s rise to fame is found in the Chamber “clearing the road” for Kyl. To wit, Kyl is Chamber’s “republican” representive to Congress, writ large.

And for staunch Democrats like myself, “understanding” who is the equivalent or the Big Democrat in Congress that represents solely the Chamber, is the dilemma facing Democrats all across America. Perhaps, this “informal” contest has yet to be completed between Senators Durbin and Schumer. If so, my challenge is solved by virtue of unassailable Fact that Durbin and Obama, are joined at-the-hip?

And in Irony is all this, Norquist voted to affirm Kyl as the “informal” Leader for the Conservative Movement. And failing to do so, would have cost Norquist and allied groups, hundreds of milllions of dollars in non-profit donations, and all that follows there from.

Jaango

You really need this video of Samantha Bee at the top of the post

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-february-28-2012/grover-norquist-s-taxpayer-protection-pledge

Obama’s expansion and legalization of Bush/Cheney’s criminal behavior is beginning to make “W” look like a piker. I’d prefer someone who attacks me from the front, rather than someone who pretends to be on my side while moving behind to stab me in the back.

It does not matter whether they are Bush tax cuts or Obama tax cuts…The point is, Grover Norquist has imposed himself on the American public without ever being elected! Somehow, he managed to get most of the Republican members of Congress to sign a pledge to the effect that they would not allow any tax increase during their term of office. They gave away their right to think and responsibility to represent “we the people.”

It is time for Norquist to quietly take his place as an idiot in the annals of history (or loudly, if he refuses to go quietly), and for us to get rid of the do-nothings who signed his pledge. They were elected to represent US — and not Grover Norquist!

The point is there are going to be votes on continuing everything versus not continuing everything,

And right there is where you are WRONG, herr Norquist.

The House could have a vote on extending the Bush Obama tax cuts and it could pass with flying colors.

But the Senate, ahh, the Senate, you see, well, if Harry Reid really doesn’t want a vote on extending to occur, it doesn’t have to occur.

And therefore, they could expire without a single Republican ever “voting” against extending them.

You, of all people, should know the rules better than this, herr Norquist Asshole.

And remember Dick Cheney cast the deciding 51st vote to enact the BUSH Tax Avoidance for the Rich Law. So Reid, Obama or Bush,McConnell. They are all on the same side.

Too late. They’re all fired…the whole duplicitous lot of false prophets. Pledge against America, indeed.

Cheney made W look like a piker. Obama’s the second (sixth, seventh) act, with help from everybody from Reid to Feinstein. Of course, plain-speaking Mitt and his unnamed cabinet wouldn’t do anything surreptitious. Good luck finding that frontal attack thing.

Yes…FIFTY ONE…not SIXTY.

I expect Mitt to be a corporatist stooge because the “Republicons” are the the avowed defenders of Big Business, the opponents of the social safety, and the deregulators. The “Democraps” portray themselves as being for the 99%.

The “Democraps” portray themselves as being for the 99%.

Which would sound plausible, were it not for all the years since 1968.