I don’t have a whole lot to say at this point about the President’s speech on the economy. The campaign saw fit to not send out prepared remarks, and they haven’t gotten around to filing a transcript just yet – though I’m told it’s coming (UPDATE: here’s the full transcript). So I can go off my notes, which don’t really have a lot. We basically know the types of policies that Obama prefers: a grand bargain to lower the deficit with higher taxes for the very top of the income scale, health care spending constrained through what he insists will be delivery system reform, greater educational opportunity with subsidized college tuition, protection of priorities like education investment and basic research, a national infrastructure bank, yet also lower federal spending overall, approaching the level of the Eisenhower era. He also thinks that “we can’t bring down the debt without a strong and growing economy,” puncturing the illusion of an expansionary contraction.
We know, from Obama, what Romney prefers: voucherized Medicare, block grants for Medicaid, slashed federal spending, more defense spending, and tax cuts $5 trillion below simply extending the Bush tax cuts.
And then, Obama says that the public will have to settle this debate from these two competing visions. “In this democracy, you, the people, have the final say,” he said. Only it never works this way. It never really has worked this way. In this democracy, money and power have traditionally had the final say, regardless of what the people wanted. First of all, in the modern era, as long as you have 41 Senators of the opposite party, a trifle like an election will not guarantee the passage of any one party’s agenda. But going deeper than that, what we’ve seen over the last decade is that some agenda items will pass regardless of public opinion, and some will not. And here, that filibuster threat just melts away. If the government wants to indemnify telecommunications companies who cooperated on spying on US citizens, divided government will not be a barrier. If Wall Street wants to return to the days of penny stocks and gut investor protections, divided government will not be a barrier. If corporate welfare is needed, the 60 vote threshold is not. If politicians want to go to war – or maybe it’s the contractors who start it off – that can happen, with or without Congress at all, apparently.
In fiscal terms, this idea that the people have the final say should be the standard, but it really has not been in recent years. Budget reconciliation was used on the Bush tax cuts, but not on any straight fiscal measures in the Obama Administration (only as a means to finish off the health care law). Moreover, there are plenty of issues outside the purview of Congress, like on housing or regulatory policy against the banks, where the Administration has not used its power.
So when the President says that “this election is about our economic future,” when he says that “this election is your chance to break that stalemate” between two fundamentally different ideas, he makes it sound far more simple than reality. And we can see that reflected in the last four years while he was in office.




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And damn the SCOTUS for saying that “none of the above” is a valid vote.
Huh? You lost me on that one. A little explanation, por favor?
For there to be legitimate competing visions being presented, Obama would have to be advancing policies – for campaign purposes – that we know he doesn’t believe in. We know that he is a liar. Before Obama, the definition of chutzpah was the guy who shoots his parents and pleads for mercy because he is an orphan. Now it’s the President who, with firm control of both houses of Congress for 2 years, claims he had to adopt a Republican health care plan because he needed Republicans to pass it. I know Harvard Law doesn’t teach math, but I’m pretty confident you have to demonstrate some kind of familiarity with third grade arithmetic to get that far.
There is no more competition between Obama and Romney than there is between Time Warner and Comcast. Or Verizon and AT&T.
And we, the people, do not have the final say. Nothing will be said about the Social Security and Medicare cuts. We will vote on November 6, and on November 7, the Catfood Commission will become the way forward, with an imaginary mandate. Maybe, maybe, if Obama wins, he will espouse it eagerly in his acceptance speech the way he did Ronald Reagan on election night in 2008, as if THAT is what people mobilized and voted for.
I never bought into him. Still, I was cheered that he was elected and I thought it was so obvious that the country wanted actual change that the thing was real after all.
The country DID, and DOES, want actual change. But neither of those guys is going to give us the change we want. And half of us are going to be out on street corners with cups trying to collect the only change we’re ever going to get.
Obama simply does not know how the,economy really works anymore than Romney does.
T wonder, too.
The idea is to add to the total vote so the eventual winner just might get less than 50%. A useful slur on both, perhaps, but without a runoff required it’s nothing more. I’d do a “real” write-in instead. Paul Wellstone, bless his soul.
Unfortunately, the only way to get those things which the president ostensibly “wants”, is to win BIG in 2012 with large margins in both houses of congress and come in with a mandate for real reform, the size of the Amazon River watershed.
Wait! He’s already done that, and got practically none of that accomplished! Most of it, he didn’t even TRY to get.
Hmmmm….
Obama knows enough to know that you haven’t suffered enough. So it’s time for more creative destruction.
“…this election is your chance to break that stalemate…”
If I had been in the room listening to that piece of road-apple horseshit, I think that I would have been busted for standing up and hollering:
“Christ in a stream calliope, Mr. Preznint; what in the pluperfect hell was the election in 2008? Have you invented a time machine, to go backwards?”
I may write in:
“Wallace.”
Not George…Henry. :o)
Just to be clear= with SCOTUS having the power to appointment presidents,as well
Yes that was the 2008 election. Where are the results?
An outlier possibility if Obama is reelected, and the next national Dem leader emerges early, be it Biden, Warren, Sherrod Brown, and realizing that we’ve all seen the Obama movie before, and that kind of weak ass performance is not going to play too well for future Dem party politics, that person then starts wrestling the power away from Obama, which shouldn’t really be too hard to wrestle anything away from Obama, face it the guy has been looking forward to retiring to a corner office at some university or wall street firm for quite a while now, judging by his enthusiasm level. He’s pretty much void of conviction, he’d turn over power to a successor if it meant more time for basketball.
it could happen, the Dems got real lucky with a dipshit like Romney being the challenger.
I just read a Gallup poll that says sixty percent of the population holds GWB responsible for the economy, including 50 percent of rethugs !
maybe the electorate is not as stupid as everyone thinks.
LOL!
I think it will all depend on how much TEEVEE ads the people watch and whether they have enough info to know the ads are lying to them AND whether the whole country’s voting systems are hacked or not. or enough
I’m sorry, I DO NOT WANT Romney in that WH. He’s a flat out criminal and he’ll be run from Salt Lake sure as I’m sitting here.
And I do NOT want to see Heather Wilson in the damned senate! URGH!
I think the main thing is to take back some house seats and add to the lead in the Senate,
“I bet you $10,000″ that a lot of democrats don’t want to see Obama drive the party over a cliff…forever.
If Mittens gets the nod, we are complete toast and we won’t recognize this country at all after HIS 8 years or so.
It’s Mitty’s election to lose now. Obama has managed to alienate just about everyone.
I plan to write in Ndamukong Suh despite knowing full well that under Michigan law it won’t be counted. It will be a fitting expression of my disgust with a system in which, unless you’re a billionaire, a celebrity, or the member of a politically prominent family, your voice doesn’t count.
well Intrade has Obama at 53 percent and the Mittster at 43 percent. These are the folks who are waging money and placing bets.
Can Mittster sell 5 trillion dollars in additional tax cuts for the wealthy schmucks along with Medicare vouchers for grandma and grandpa ? He might have to be super pursuasive to pull that one off.
To pull that one off, he’ll have to have massive propoganda spots playing on all the TV and cable channels 24/7, newspapers too, and maybe milk cartons.
He might have to just purchase the whole broadcast daylong schedule of every TV station and radio station in the country, kind of “All Romney All the Time” .
I think that is possible, if his ten campaign donors each kick in 1 billion apiece.
He’s telegraphing his fecklessness, we’ve been here before, leaderless. The stakeholders slide up to the table. The public gets hauled off to jail. Thems that gots, gits.
Yes, but over 50percent still blame Obama In that poll. Blowing up the economy and doing very little to make it better are both culpable sins.
With all due respect.
“e basically know the types of policies that Obama prefers: a grand bargain to lower the deficit with higher taxes for the very top of the income scale, health care spending constrained through what he insists will be delivery system reform, greater educational opportunity with subsidized college tuition, protection of priorities like education investment and basic research, a national infrastructure bank, yet also lower federal spending overall, approaching the level of the Eisenhower era”
Where’s the EVIDENCE of this,other than words?
Total bullshit.
You really believe this tripe?
If so, you’re in the growing cohort of Obamabots that believe the shit coming out of his mouth and ignore what he has done while in office.
I thought we were past this crap at FDL.
Front page, really? Christ
No evidence and it is internally inconsistent. He wants a grand bargain to lower expenses which will increase unemployment.
Until Obama unequivocally puts out a program to seriously reduce unemployment, stops the nonsense about a grand bargain and starts treating the government other than like a household, I won’t even think about voting for him. He is a phony. Jill Stein has a program for employment of 16 million.
You sound like there’s still a rationale out there for you to vote for this chump.
He lost me at FISA. There isn’t any way I get past his indiscriminate war criminal killing programs
Cue list ad nauseam
You really think he will do any of those things? I don’t. He has had four years and he did not do it.
“…this election is your chance to break that stalemate…”
He’s going to keep selling this as long as there is a market for it, the belief that electing him is an effective channel of energy for change, but it’s an energy sink for a movement.
It matters more who gets elected downstream.
gee, a lot of commentors here sound like Romney is a better choice, I mean they don’t come out and say Romney is my man, maybe they were instructed not to say something so blatant, it might raise suspicion as to their motive
You have to wonder if it matters at all.
Criticizing the fraud in the WH does not, I said, does not mean you favor the Republican fraud.
Never underestimate the ignorance of the U.S. public.
Pretty much my point.
He’s worthless as a leader, and a sellout
And to be clear, Romney is the same guy. Only difference is that at least he has the balls to say out loud all the fucked up shit he believes.
Obama is very risk adverse so he tends to go for the easy win which means he supports Republican positions and gets the Democratic party to go along with it. How else can you explain passing a Republican proposed health care plan, continuing the Bush bankster bailout, and gunning for SS and Medicare? I don’t see that changing in a second term – he’ll only go for the “win”, no matter how bad.
I don’t like Romney. He is just another shill pretender like Obama. A Dimon/ Corzinne ticket would better reflect the current ownership of the WH. With the redundant folks laid off the savings could then be applied to the Deficit. Pass that around your call center.
LOL…
I sometimes think Obama doesn’t want a 2nd term. Not saying he’s going to throw the election, but he’s alienated just about everyone that voted for him in 2008 and all that bipartisan outreach has made Republicans hate him more.
Why the fuck does Obama even credit the Republicans with HAVING a vision, let alone a competing one? Why does he feel compelled to do their advertising for them? And how can we vote “some folks” out of office for opposing his policies, when no ballot I’ve ever seen has a candidate from the “Some Folks” party. He can’t even bring himself to mention his own Democratic Party or the labor unions that did so much work to elect him in the first place. Geez Louise, but this spineless puff of marshmallow makes my skin crawl. Does his own shadow chase him down the street whenever the sun comes out?
Why do the Republicans hate Bill Clinton and Barack Obama with such an all-consuming passion? I mean, both of these corporate tools have pretty much given the Republicans all the goodies they ever wanted while undermining the Democratic Party and taking the blame from the voters for giving away the store. So why the hate and not the love that Clinton and Obama so much want from them?
As best I can tell, Charles Sanders Peirce explained this back towards the end of the nineteenth century when he wrote: “Where two faiths flourish side by side, renegades are looked upon with contempt, even by the party whose beliefs they have adopted.”
Or perhaps that old Arkansas incest joke says it best: the one where the hillbilly bridegroom comes back to the family homestead after his wedding night having shot his new bride. When his pappy asks him why, he replied indignantly, “‘Cause she wuz a virgin, Paw!” Which prompted the hillbilly daddy to exclaim in outrage: “A virgin? Well then, I don’t blame ya none. If she weren’t good enuf fer her own fambly, then she ain’t good enuf fer ours.”
Something like that.
“Why do the Republicans hate Bill Clinton and Barack Obama with such an all-consuming passion?”
Party Politics 101:
Please, please, it is time to get it everyone out there. The Republicans do not hate the Democrats. The Democrats do not hate the Republicans. They are on the same team. They serve the oligarchs because they are well on the way to being oligarchs themselves. That is why they put up with this drudgery of a sham of ‘going to the people’ every two or four years.
They have already chosen who is supposed to win, and hedged their bets with the next most likely. And the way they do it is the ‘least evil’ tactic because they see that is the reason diehards of this or that party cling to as a salve to their conscience when voting. And ‘least evil’ means the alternative has to be racheted up AS evil. That is the whole point of all the nonarguments about nonrealities that David is enumerating here. It doesn’t have to make sense, in fact it is far better that it not make sense. Just preserve that evil/less evil category and go out and party together after the fact.
And lots of posts on this very site tell them their strategy works.
Case in point: Do, if you can, cast your minds back to the ‘debate’ over bailing out the banks. Probably the Republican Party as a Congressional force was at their nadir then. Both parties being in the pockets of the megabanks wanted that bailout like crazy. So, what’s the win-win strategy? Have the Republicans oppose it! And they did. Oh, not for the right reasons, certainly not; that’s not how the game is played. But they did oppose it, and Boener led the way. You cannot get any clearer a good cop/bad cop scenario than that one. I remember it well because I was puzzled: Republicans agreeing with me? Then I got it – they opposed so the ‘other guys’ would veer the other way, the way they all wanted to go in the first place.
End of lesson. There will be a test.
Right at the beginning of the speech he lies about Social Security:
“The failure to pay for the tax cuts and the wars took us from record surpluses under President Bill Clinton to record deficits. And it left us unprepared to deal with the retirement of an aging population that’s placing a greater strain on programs like Medicare and Social Security.”
Social Security has a 2.6 trillion surplus to pay for the benefits of “an aging population”. Medicare is threatened by the greed of healthcare institutions and providers.
By glomming the two together, he creates an argument for reducing SS benefits which is part of the grand bargain he refers to later in his speech.
Later in the speech he refers to creating a funding structure for infrastructure repairs and for creating jobs. He refers to it as a fund which is created for private investors. Is this the much vaunted private-public bank??
Why not fund these projects directly and cut out the middle men and the profits demanded by private investors.????
Sounds like more small government, market supporting, Republicanism to me.