One thing you’re hearing Republicans grapple with as they face the prospect of the Supreme Court overturning the entire health care law is that they want to keep the more popular provisions intact. Invariably that includes excluding insurance companies from discriminating against potential customers on the basis of a pre-existing condition, perhaps the most popular part of the entire Affordable Care Act. Even if the Supremes uphold most of the law, if they throw out the individual mandate, the Obama Administration has asked them to also toss the pre-existing condition exclusion, on the grounds that it would be “unworkable” (several experts beg to differ). So this is a key question.
Mitt Romney, in his latest health care plan, has decided to allow that discrimination to continue.
In a speech in Orlando on Tuesday, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney outlined once again what he would do to replace President Barack Obama’s health care law, which he has pledged to throw out if elected. In a follow-up statement to The Huffington Post, his campaign clarified that he would not tackle one of the central issues contained in the Affordable Care Act — the prohibition of discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions.
The approach Romney described centers around proposals to return much of the decision-making to the states while allowing for greater portability of coverage. He has long disavowed federalizing the individual mandate that he passed while governor of Massachusetts, which requires the uninsured to purchase coverage or face a penalty. And so attention has turned to the most closely related provision, a ban on discriminating against individuals with pre-existing conditions.
In his Tuesday speech, Romney said that under his plan, a person who is covered by his or her employer and has a pre-existing condition could not get dropped after switching jobs. The Obama campaign’s policy director, James Kvaal, argued in response that such a concept was already law. Under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, a person can’t be excluded from health insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition provided that he or she has had continuous coverage.
So the pre-existing condition exclusion, as it does now, covers a sliver of the marketplace, those without coverage at work in the individual market. And Romney would make it nearly impossible for those who have pre-existing conditions in that position to get insurance. The only lifeline he offers would be high risk pools, a Republican feature of the Affordable Care Act that simply hasn’t worked. They were always seen as a stopgap reform, and the takeup rates have been abysmal. Romney’s spokeswoman says he would allow risk adjustment and reinsurance on the high risk pools to save money, but the way to ensure that anyone with a pre-existing condition can get coverage through a high-risk pool is to budget for it, and there’s really no way you could deliver the kind of money needed for that to happen. You just can’t segregate a community of the sick into an insurance pool and expect that pool to provide cheap insurance. The system doesn’t work that way.
Added to this is the fact that Romney would block grant Medicaid, which would significantly cut the program, putting more low-income individuals either without health insurance or into the individual market. Given the relationship between income and health status, that means, if anything, more sick people in need of insurance while carrying a pre-existing condition. Finally, any barriers to discrimination at the state level could be easily surmounted by Romney’s vow to allow consumers to “buy health care across state lines.” This will simply lead to every health insurer moving to states with little or no insurance regulations, sidestepping regulations in the more stringent states.
Romney’s health care plan isn’t really a plan in that it has precious few numbers. But what we do know of it suggests that it would look mostly like today, only worse for anyone who has an illness and not much money to afford care.
These are the warmed-over Republican ideas for health care. We actually know what works in the health care system, but neither side has allowed that policy to come to America.





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Romney’s Death Panels!
Social Darwinism has never gone out of style for the .01%.
If Obama’s campaign plays it smart, that’s pretty much how they’ll want to frame this.
This regurgitation and the many like it are why I never even bother coming to the front page.
I also happen to know that I am not alone.
Ohh look out
White Romney is much more evil than black Romney. Right?
Glen Barr of (gasp, radical black men) Black Agenda Report is right.
The Democrats (including but not only Black Romney) are the much more EFFECTIVE evil.
Carry on with your Kabuki Theatre. I am returning to the side bar land where I belong.
With people who get it and are awake.
Reply to EvilDrPuma @ 3
That is if Obama wants to win.
A combination of staggering ineptitude by not spending all his reelection money on his campaign, putting the knife into Social Security, and retiring with a fortune in unspent campaign funds is a good exit strategy.
If you don’t like it, fine, don’t read it. Just do us all a favor and skip the drive-by troll routine.
And if the .01% want him to win, which may be much the same thing. They get what they want either way.
“Wait. You’re already sick? Insurance Denied.”
Just good old free market capitalism. You get sick. You’re a loser! Live with it — or rather, just die from it.
sapphirebulletsofpurelove June 12th, 2012 at 1:09 pm 39
In response to Michael Cavlan RN @ 32
I know I’m late but I wanted to register my appreciation of your efforts. It’s getting harder and harder to find any substance, as opposed to tribalism, on the front page here at FDL. Kevin’s the only one regularly featured there who isn’t overtly or covertly shilling for the DNC. It’s only folks like you who keep this whole damn thing from being completely irrelevant, in the bin with Newsweek, FOX, CNN and DKos for me. Keep up the fight. You do have support.
This was a response from my article Veal pen Gates Kicked Open In Minnesota.- Now back to the side bar land. People are noticing it.
I thought you were leaving. Oh, well, trolls always lie.
I’m with Michael. You cannot frighten me into voting for someone whose policies are as bad or worse than Bush. The entire 2012 democratic campaign strategy is to shake a Mitt Romney doll at the voters and shout “Boo!”.
I am sorry, you are not going to woo me by replacing Hope with Fear. Johnson/Gray, 2012.
Insuring people with pre-existing conditions is just bad business. Let those substandard genes work their way out of society. No room in the U.S. for more weak willed parasites.
My family doesn’t have insurance. I have a past mrsa infection that is likely still in my body. My husband also has a bad ankle from a break when he was in his 20′s. He had to have more surgery on it to remove pins and screws that had gotten loose over the years. He’s an electrician…and needs his ankle to work.
At any rate, the thought of us not having insurance, or having Romney remove the provision that would bar and cap the rates for pre-existing condition, scares the day light out of me. See, I have to hope that we can get something affordable soon. Right now…no one will insure us…not even for a price. We just get turned down.
I have to hope…it’s a matter of life and death.
While you situation is extremely sad, clearly you understand why insurance providers can’t remain in business when providing services at a loss to people with pre-exiting conditions. The assumption that the rest of society has an obligation to bare your financial burden is misguided at best.
Its moral hazard like this that forced the U.S. into the credit crisis.
So when are you going to round up all people with substandard genes and execute them like Nazis did in WW2. Sounds like racial purification. Is this the start of the right’s war on the sick and disabled?
That is quite a jump. Is there something you need to talk about? Mom didn’t love you enough?
If a pre-existing condition is going to cost an insurance company hundreds of thousands of dollars they should have the ability to refuse service or charge premiums at a rate that account for the proper amount of risk. Remember the loose lending standards that led to the housing crisis? This is the same thing. You’re trying to force insurance companies to loosen their standards and take on more risk which will lead to collapse.
Hey, we have a safety net in this country. If it needs fixin’, no problem, we just get rid of it. Voila!! Nothin’s broke anymore.
“This is why I don’t reveal my secrets. This way, it gets taken care of. See?”
What does insurance have to do with health care?
It’s not a “society” if its people don’t treat care of one another as an important objective.
Medicare for All represents a practical way to organize to take care of all of us, as Medicare does now for the elderly (including their many pre-existing conditions).
Pouring billions of dollars into private insurance, and expecting that after insurance companies have extracted money for profits, marketing, lobbying, campaign contributions, executive salaries, and profit-driven “death panels,” they will then let enough money “trickle down” to provide access to health care is neither a practical nor a moral way for a society to function for the benefit of its members.
Hey, Cavlan – you know how to get on the front page?
1. Write something WORTHY of being on the front page.
Everything you write has a whiny tone, is mostly a collection of memes and cliches, and and usually follows none of the correct rules of grammar.
Maybe if you top .5% in November you’ll get a front page mention.
which is why insurers might need to get out of the business of health care. It shouldn’t be a “for profit” business. We must have socialized health care. It must be a right. I would much rather have socialized care than what I used to have, and what I have got now. The real death panels are part of the republican plan. While the democratic plan doesn’t get rid of the risk…it gives me a chance in hell to have insurance I can afford to save my life, and the lives of my family.
I think anything short of single payer can be found to be discriminatory in some respect or another. Then, if healthcare is deemed a right, which seems to be the growing trend, there won’t be a way to meet that commitment without single payer. It has to be non-discriminatory, period.
Non-discrimination does away with premiums, pre-existing condition criteria, policies and all the negative aspects the insurance business and big pharma need to wend their ways. Coverage is automatic for everyone. It’s paid for indirectly through a more progressive taxation system.
Neither Romney’s plan nor ACA will do.
Ahhhhhh. Assumes facts not in eviddence.
No, That’s not the way insurance companies look at it. You merely chose to enroll too late.
So how is that different than society paying for your kid’s education because you can not afford the 12,000.00 each per year to send them to private schools? Did we give you permission to bear those children? No, you did it voluntarily fully expecting society to help pay for their upbringing. How moral is that using your definition of the word? DO we have the right to regulate how many kids you can have relative to your ability to feed, cloth and educate them out of moral duty to the rest of society?
Great language. Too bad the liberal/Democrats ptb are not using it.
“putting more low-income individuals either without health insurance or into the individual market.”
The individual market for health insurance is running 200 to 600 a month per person with no drug coverage, 20 percent copay and a healthy deductible in the Oregon Medical Insurance Pool.
Jack that 500 percent for California “high risk”, read any pre existing condition.
I suspect most low income people without state aid do not buy individual insurance so being “dumped” into the individual market, means going without health insurance.
That is exactly what the right wing philosophy demands. Don’t think for a New York minute they have any interest other than letting the unlucky die.
Thanks. The liberal/Dem establishment doesn’t even pretend to stand for anything now.
Just in case you haven’t noticed, since complaining about TBogg’s blatantly partisan posts, “storyofo” has disappeared and TBogg’s posts of slavish devotion to Obama are featured on the front page with greater frequency.
You know better than to designate Michael Cavlan RN as a “troll”. Like many of us, he expects FDL to be as objective as possible, not feature posts that would be featured on DailyKos or HuffPost.
Be sure to stress that you are a “self-pay” customer and be sure to bargain for a lower charge for service with your doctors. You can usually get a procedure done for 25% of the price they’d charge someone with insurance.
I had radiation treatment that would have been charged as follows:
w/insurance-$60K; w/Medicare-$30K; self-pay(cash)-$13K.
With the ACA, it would cost me $10K+ per year just for coverage and deductible with a pre-existing condition.
StoryofO has disappeared? Really?
Can you explain? I feel a story coming on. Perhaps with 1200 comments.
Can ya dig it?
When exactly does the ACA pre-existing condition exclusion kick-in? Because there’s no way you can get health insurance now for 99% of pre-existing conditions. And if you could the cost would be so high it would be unaffordable anyway. So we’re back to square one. The ACA is complete bullshit. What would you expect from a bill written by the insurance and pharma industries?
Haven’t seen any comments from “storyofo” in several days and he/she’s(?) usually pretty active on the posts I frequent. I may have to spend more time accessing the side bar or finding a different blog. There seems to be a growing infestation of partisan ignorance on FDL, much of it featured on the front page. Do you recognize the clown tyrellj @ 21?
Obama’s “signature legislation” is a thinly disguised gift to the health insurance industry and the partisan fools applaud it.
I rarely visit the front page anymore. I know others who feel the same way.
Come visit the sidebar land. Veal Pen free politics is allowed.
Bull -
I’m far from a clown. Most of us are sick of constant whining and conspiracy theories, not to mention his total lack of respect for FDL.
He still hasn’t gotten the point that people who might consider voting for him may possibly google his name and run across his inane rants on FDL and the rest of the Internet.