As President Obama laid this out today, it became clear that opposition to the DREAM Act is rooted in basically bullying or misplaced anger, which became evident with Munro’s interruption. Here’s how the President framed the DREAMers affected by this announcement. “They pledge allegiance to our flag. They are Americans in their hearts, their minds, in every single way but one – on paper… Put yourself in their shoes… you’ve done everything right your entire life, only to suddenly face the threat of deportation to a country you know nothing about. It makes no sense to expel talented young people, who for all intents and purposes are Americans… simply because of the actions of their parents or the inaction of politicians.”
That’s what Neil Munro railed against today, yelling out to the President on why he puts foreigners above Americans. “The next time I prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask a question,” Obama said, adding that “This is the right thing to do for the American people… these young people are going to make extraordinary contributions and are already making contributions to our society.”
I had a chance to ask Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA) about this outburst and how it reflects the divisiveness of our immigration policies over the past several years. “It’s a perfect example of what the President and those of us who want to fix our immigration policy have faced,” he said. “This resistance, in some cases irrational resistance to a simple fix. Maybe the reporter doesn’t get it. The President is trying to make system work effectively… The reporter is emblematic of what America has faced trying to do a sensible reform of our immigration laws. I expect we’ll face more of that.”
Meanwhile, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) has already announced that he will sue the Obama Administration over the changes to the policy, saying that he believes this action would require legislative approval rather than an administrative order out of the Department of Homeland Security. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) batted this down. “I believe this will be very sustainable,” Menendez said. “For example, Democratic and Republican Presidents gave status to all Cubans coming into this country. The President has the authority to give a qualified group of individuals a pending status. It’s something Republicans should not litigate. They have the opportunity to pursue legislation, and have chosen not to.”
All supporters of the policy shift, including in the White House, cautioned that it’s nothing but a temporary solution, one that could easily be overturned by a future President with a different perspective, and one that’s pretty carefully circumscribed to not provide a new status or a path to citizenship. So they highlighted the need for Congressional action to secure the changes. “Precisely because this is temporary, it’s time to act,” the President said.
In a conference call, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) added, “This is not immigration reform, it’s a solution for 7% of the undocumented in the US. We need to work on their moms and their dads.” He did add that his community had an excitement after the announcement, “a feeling of a promise kept.” Local Latino communities saw impromptu rallies today.
Reps. Becerra and Gutierrez also cautioned that the details were still being finalized, so immigrants who may be eligible for the program needed to exercise appropriate skepticism. Becerra warned of fraudsters who would claim to be able to help DREAMers negotiate the system for a work permit, and rip them off.
I’ll leave a couple of official statements on the flip.
UPDATE: The Daily Caller is “proud” of their reporter’s conduct today.
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ):
This is a sensible solution that allows us, as a national community, to help hundreds of thousands of young adolescents trapped in legal limbo. This is a wonderful day for them, their families, and the many millions of us who believe in fairness and opportunity. I applaud President Obama’s decision to extend the American dream to a new generation of deserving individuals.
Those with deep roots in the United States who have contributed immensely to our country’s well-being will — at long last — be taken out of the deportation pool so we can concentrate our resources on real threats and serious criminals. This makes our nation safer and upholds our nation’s commitment to fairness and justice.
While this change is not a permanent solution, it is a major step in the right direction. The rhetoric of division and marginalizing of people by Mitt Romney and the Republican party needs to end. We are past the point of obstruction. We need to solve the problem. This action by President Obama will move us forward together as a country and as a single American people.
Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL):
For a year and a half after the DREAM Act was filibustered, I have been standing with others and saying to the President ‘yes you can’ prevent the deportation of DREAMers and now he and the Secretary clearly agree and are taking proper action. This could protect 800,000 or more young immigrants with roots here right now, and will be seen in the immigrant and Latino community as a very significant down payment on broader reform. It is the right thing to do and I am overjoyed and proud that the President has acted.
DREAMers who came here at a young age have grown up believing that our country would eventually embrace them as much as they have embraced this country and now that is coming true, at least on a provisional basis. No group of young immigrants has fought harder or more bravely for their place in our country than the DREAMers and we have all taken a lesson from their tenacity and leadership.
The details of this program are still being finalized, so immigrants across the country should be patient and very skeptical of anyone who claims to have all the answers immediately. I was told the government needs at least 60 days to put things in place and I will work with the President and Secretary Napolitano to get clear and accurate information out about who does and does not qualify for the relief in the Secretary’s memo as soon as possible.
This will be a process to evaluate each individual case to see if they qualify for the two-year relief, but it is a tremendous first step towards addressing the problems caused by our outdated and inflexible immigration system.
But this is a time to celebrate. The DREAMers are not the sum total of the immigration issue and even with today’s announcement, the DREAM Act legislation is still needed to give people permanent relief beyond the two-year reprieve. And many other immigrants with no criminal history and deep roots here deserve the same consideration and we will keep fighting for them.
This sets the ball in motion to break the gridlock and fix our laws so that people who live here can do so legally and on-the-books and people can come with visas instead of smugglers in the first place. Today the students are being protected, but we have to fix the system for their families and for the country once and for all.
Rep. Judy Chu (D-CA)
Every year, tens of thousands of young people who were raised as Americans, in American schools, cannot benefit from the opportunities afforded by a college education simply because of their parents’ mistakes. Today, the Obama Administration took a momentous step forward in bringing these DREAM students out of the shadows so they can contribute to the success of our nation. As Chair of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, I am particularly grateful for what today’s announcement will mean for Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders, who account for one out of every ten DREAM eligible students. CAPAC commends the President for taking actions to address our nation’s outdated and broken immigration system, and we hope this serves as a wake-up call for Congress to move forward with the legislative solutions that our country needs.
Rep. Mike Honda (D-CA):
As Chair Emeritus and an American, I am proud to stand with President Obama’s landmark decision to protect young, hardworking, and high-achieving DREAMers and make us achieve a perfect union. Of the plus 200,000 DREAM students from Asia, 40% are from my home state of California. These young people already contribute to our society and economy, and we owe them a chance to continue their pursuit of the American life and dream. Today, our President gave them this chance. Let this be a clarion call to Congress to rise and do our part to make their dream a reality.





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The problem with the Mr. Munro’s of the world is their opinions are not based on facts, and therefore, facts will not sway them. Facts are batted away like fruit flies.
As Karen Tumulty noted, “where’s your reporter’s notebook, Neil?”
As this story shows, O’s measure is just to establish the deportation line when the order is rescinded.
Tucker Carlson is prime example for restoration of the estate tax. What a pouty little punk.
Grover @ 1
Correct.
In large measure, opposition to the Dream Act and the unprecedented disrespect that President Obama endures from the likes of Neil Munro and Congressman Joe Wilson stem from the same source. Racism.
Tucker and Mitt do seem to be poster children for boorish behavior. Someone should ask the headmaster of St. George’s School (the elite Connecticut boarding school Carlson attended) whether Tucker’s defense of rude behavior comports with the standards they expect of their students and graduates.
Good comment! i would add that since he did not have a notebook as Karen Tumulty questioned, he should have his press pass taken away the next time there is a press conference and let the right wingers howl.
What would the headmaster know about that? I’m sure the boys were always polite to him. But many specialized in bullying & boorish behavior behind his back.
x2
Does anyone still use a notebook? Don’t they just record with their schmart phones?
True. But I’m sure he would not want people to think that his school produces anything other than complete gentlemen who know how to behave appropriately in social situations.
You know eCahn, I really do not know. I just think that with Karen Tumulty’s comment, it hits home that his whole purpose for being there was to disrupt and he should be denied access next time.
The whole world is struggling to solve the problem of an aging population and lack of young workers. The USA doesn’t have to worry about lack of young workers principally because of young immigrants.
So how do we prefer to treat these folks who are paying into SS, serving in our military and attending our schools?
We make them live in a constant state of fear that they’ll be deported.
And this is only because they make such perfect targets for the demagoguery of the GOP.
His school does produce ‘complete gentlemen’, but more in the sense that the British use the term.
Privileged, lay-abouts who can’t be trusted on most levels by normal people.
If he was on assignment he should have something to record the event (notebook, tape recorder iPad). The fact that the picture in the link shows him with his hands either in his pockets or on his hips leads me to the conclusion that he was just there to heckle.
Ah ha! The term, if my misspent youth watching Monty Python serves me, is “twit”.
was Munro arrested for interrupting? Aren’t you supposed to be arrested for that?
The Authoritarian loves his power.
Too bad Rep. King didn’t stand on principle when he failed to demand that Congress act at any of the many moments during the past decade as The Unitary Executive has cemented Its reputation.
Political move in order to get votes,that’s it.
You are correct!
Good for O!
The dustup will be fun to watch next. I wish he’d try the “There, you see!?” approach more often.
I was just about to type the same thing.
From the link: “Even though President Barack Obama said Friday that the order would “lift the shadow of deportation” over illegal immigrants who were brought to the U.S. while they were children, a future administration could choose to overturn the regulation, jeopardizing those who have identified themselves to the government as illegal immigrants.
A senior administration official, who briefed reporters on the policy Friday on condition of anonymity, conceded that “the executive can always change its mind about how to exercise discretion.”"
How this “lifts the shadow of deportation” I don’t see. It’s a helluva risk for immigrants, probably isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, and Obama’s word isn’t worth anything either. It appears to be damn risky for immigrants who could be setting themselves up to get screwed over, all the praise from Democrat politicians for Obama notwithstanding.
If it is “marred” at all it’s because so many (mostly liberal) journos and bloggers have been spending the day focusing on Munro and not on Obama’s policy. As political theory prof Corey Robin pointed out on Twitter, executive leaders in other countries are interrupted and heckled all the time. Only in the US do we act like it is such a massive ordeal that it could “mar” the President’s announcement that directly effects the lives of hundreds of thousands of people living in this country.
Sorry the Brave and Good Osama-Killing Leader didn’t get his glorious storybook moment in the sun to radiate his uplifting benevolence upon the downtrodden brown people all because of one mean right-wing troll with a very loud voice who writes for a website that no one but other trolls reads but now, thanks to the liberal journos and bloggers who have serious prioritization issues, everyone else knows about, giving them oodles of free publicity. Happy? Can we act like adults now, please?
I find the timing suspicious and the motivation questionable.
I’m not saying it isn’t a good idea. It IS. But, wasn’t it a good idea a year ago? Two years ago? Three years ago?
I’m totally disheartened with the things Obama hasn’t done, didn’t do, and did way too late.
Jill Stern, Green Party. Show BOTH parties we’re fed up.
If that had been W, the secret service would have tackled him to the ground. Then the rest of the press corpse would have kicked him to within an inch of his life for showing such disrespect.
Agreed otto. If anything this puts MORE of a shadow on the whole mess.
Refer to my #25 above.
Lucky he didn’t have a shoe.
I think you are saying he should have done this quite awhile ago, outside an election season, for credibility. I’d agree
One might almost call O’s move cynical. But then, as he’s POTUS, we must respect him and not mar his announcement by heckling him.
I wonder if O is as good at dodging shoes as W.
“Even though President Barack Obama said Friday that the order would “lift the shadow of deportation” over illegal immigrants who were brought to the U.S. while they were children…”
How would we know when they brought here? Do we have a date stamped photo of every illegal taken when they arrived? Just asking.
I agree.
I just hope those reading understand the difference between genuine dislike over policies, and what oldgold said so well.
Obama has been further right than any Democratic President in my lifetime, and for those right wingers it’s just not a genuine dislike over policy, it’s a dislike of the man, and I agree, I believe it is lots of times racism.
But when one looks at the campaign promises he made and compare them to his actions which not only largely didn’t deliver on those promises, but he actively pursued things that were the exact diametric OPPOSITE of what he campaigned on.
Thus, he’s a liar. And IMO, it’s fair game to hate on liar. And liars come in every race, religion, sex, and sexual orientation. That’s not bigotry, that’s just genuinely not liking liars.
And one can usually tell when Obama is lying. It’s pretty easy to tell. His lips will be moving. Now of course that’s hyperbolic, but IMO the reality is actually closer to lying all the time than to not lying at all.
He’s an asshole. And it’s got nothing to do with his skin color and everything to do with being the furthest right Democratic President in my lifetime (and all the others were too far right for my liking) especially after running the most progressive campaign I’ve ever seen in my life, from the eventual nominee, now there have been some more progressive campaigns run in the primaries before, but this was the most progressive one I’ve seen run in the general, and the asshole is the EXACT OPPOSITE of CHANGE, which he ran on. He’s the most status quo asshole in DC right now I think.
Sorry for the wall of text, I’m awful about that. But the betrayal still burns bright in me. I literally couldn’t wait to vote for him 2008. Election day couldn’t get here fast enough. I was all in for this guy than any other in my lifetime. And I was wrong. Again.
eCAHNomics @ 23
Generally speaking, I have no problem with the President being heckled.
That being said, I do not think it is appropriate for a member of the press to do so when the President is making an announcement.
The mules no doubt have better records than ICE.
Do you really think that rewarding non-citizens serving as corporate killers in the military with citizenship is a good idea? I’d prefer that we reward them for refusing to engage in hegemony. Obama doesn’t do anything that doesn’t directly accrue to either his benefit or that of his puppet masters.
I can not believe some of the responses here. This POTUS and congress etc need to be asked more questions and more often. I could not give two FF’s if he or any of them are interuppted or what the motives might be. They are selling us all out in so many ways and people here are still talking about respect. They have f All respect for us, so wake up and get that. It would be one thing if O and politicians stuck around and answered questions and not just pre planned soft ball ones but they do not. So comforting that so many politicians and posters on other sites have come out stirred up and outraged by this.
Let’s not interrupt the POTUS coz it is disrespectful, never mind that every day he and his chums are passing laws looking the other way, and giving their friends trillions and get out of jail cards. No let’s all be respectful
Gee he needs to be confronted and I would like to see more of it. So do all the other slime balls on the hill.
what are you serious. when should you ask your questions after he has walked away. POTUS and congress have no respect for us, NONE. They work for us, ha ha. I am sick of listening to his TP speeches and the few soft ball questions he ask. If you run for office you need to answer questions and I do not care who asks or what they ask. The POTUS does not get to decide and control the format, and walk away when he feels like it.
I mostly agree with you, but IMO the confontation should occur after the announcement.
Let Obama (or whatever pol) make whatever announcement it is they’re announcing that day, THEN jump all over them.
But I guess since they won’t let part occur, it leads to behavior like this. Still seems wrong, but once again, it’s mostly the pol’s own fault. If they would allow genuine challenges much like the rest of the world’s pols, folks wouldn’t feel the need to do crap like this. I for one think if everyone acted like this guy did today that the only result would be bedlam and no info ever getting out. Wouldn’t it?
He’ll just make announcement & walk away from podium. After all, media are invited just to be stenographers, so what’s the point of asking Qs.
Oh, I forgot. It’s the kabuki thingy.
Anyone get the feeling that is what this campaign will be all about? Who has the loudest most obnoxious assholes to scream their discontent, with even the weather.
Is there a Republican in the race? /rhetorical
My contractor went to Pratt in the 1960s and was planning on going into advertising until he figured out it was all about a race to be the most obnoxious.
Since elections are all about the horse race, and ads determine the winner, it seems like every campaign is about obnoxious, and like ads for products, get more so every time.
Two I thought./s
Any truth to the rumor that Munro was auditioning for a job with Fux News?
by george!!! you may have hit on it.
I thought all those high-falutin private schools deliberately taught their pampered 1% spawn to behave like boorish pricks to the lower orders?
Did I miss a change to the behavioral standards of the 1%?
Agreed. Why should we respect mass murderers, war criminals, and destroyers of our civil liberties?
Not to worry, Obama the “Progressive” will go into hiding within a New York second after the election, win or lose.
Too bad this President has never been asked rude questions by the Left.
Indeed.
“Only in the US do we act like it is such a massive ordeal that it could “mar” the President’s announcement that directly effects the lives of hundreds of thousands of people living in this country.”
Nice catch. The idea that the executive be able to deliver his orchestrated pronouncement unmolested by the intrusions of the rabble is elitist, condescending, thin-skinned, pretentious and undemocratic. Or to put it country simple, Obama reacted like a real dick. This is how an elected representative acts toward a citizen in public? Well, on the other hand, he murders them in private.
Indeed. If I were an immigrant who qualified for citizenship under this program as it currently stands, I’d be a fool to go in for it. How anyone who has ever seen ICE and Border Patrol (“Protection” my ass) operate toward Latinos could trust DHS as far as they could throw them is beyond me. This looks like bullshit election year pandering that could result in hundreds of thousands deported or sent to detention facilities. If it ever becomes a law enforceable by folks with guns and badges, then maybe I would think about trusting it.
Cynical is too kind a term. The “briefing on condition of anonymity” gives the whole bullshit game away.
“They are selling us all out in so many ways and people here are still talking about respect.”
Ha! Indeed. Conditioned deference to authority tends to go deep. Although I appreciate oldgold’s comment about racism affecting the dynamic. A black President is too much for a lot of folks to reconcile.
Of course it is the right thing to do, but WHY did he do it?
Kids for votes?
Nah, that would be morally repugnant…
Were this Bush and Mother Jones, the reporter would have been hailed as courageous activist.
Amen, brother
I LOVE FDL commentors calling their conservative peers “racist” for outbursts like this one those of Joe Wilson.
Yet when Code Pink and other lefty activists interrupt and shout at the President, they’re just good ‘ol patriots protecting progressive ideals, am I right?
You would be right if racism never motivates conservative outbursts against Obama. It is possible–hell, probable–that racism motivates some conservative attacks on Obama and that some “lefty activists” are name-calling hypocrites.
I think in this case the heckler was spewing xenophobia, and would direct same at a white pres . I suppose the xenophobia could be racist based.
The heckler became a “journalist” due to an axe to grind — that seems obvious. Kinda like O’Keefe, no? There are quite a few out there.
It’s getting late on this thread, but some clarifications came up since yesterday.
Apparently those qualified for the new policy do not get resident alien (RA) status, since that would require congressional action and involve granting a green card. So they’ll still be NRA.
Any NRA, whether documented or not, can apply for an ITIN from the IRS. I think up to now a lot of undocumented NRAs have been afraid to get an ITIN thinking the IRS is an arm of immigration authorities, which it is not. Maybe that perception will change under O’s new policy.
Also, there is no specific document or card issued to cover everyone who qualifies. That is, a student ID or military ID does not in itself automatically vet that individual as within the policy. However, an individual who applies for and receives a work permit under the new policy would have proof, since that permit is vetted directly under the new policy. So the point is, someone who qualifies should ask for a work permit whether or not they intend to work.
How the Feds are going to service some 800,000 (in theory) potential applicants seems mind boggling.
If any of this is off base?